SpoilerSuper exciting! Let's hope Hasbro improves their toy quality for G5...
Watching the brony community flip out over this is hilarious. I like FiM too guys, but obviously it can't last forever and we had to have a new generation eventually! The butthurt coming from them is outstanding.
someone send me the g5 concept on pm!
SpoilerSuper exciting! Let's hope Hasbro improves their toy quality for G5...
Watching the brony community flip out over this is hilarious. I like FiM too guys, but obviously it can't last forever and we had to have a new generation eventually! The butthurt coming from them is outstanding.SpoilerAnd we survievd changes since g1. How are we alive?
someone send me the g5 concept on pm!
Yes, me too! I want to see it and I am not involved at all on the Brony sites.
Aaaand it might be a good idea to not search "My Little Pony" on Youtube now if you're avoiding the spoilers.The leaks was what made season 7 feel so...odd to me. If enough people talk about the leaks, I may as well just watch the leaks.
I found the leaked episodes already... :blush: They're actually on youtube! Probably not for long.
I'm trying to find the leaked concept art so I can make an opinion.
I found the leaked episodes already... :blush: They're actually on youtube! Probably not for long.
I'm trying to find the leaked concept art so I can make an opinion.
Is it actual animated episodes or just plot specifics, titles, summaries, etc?
Are we even sure this is real? Could it be someone trying to stir up the bronies?It's real, since it contained dhx credentials that some people used to get 6 almost finished s8 episodes
Are we even sure this is real? Could it be someone trying to stir up the bronies?It's real, since it contained dhx credentials that some people used to get 6 almost finished s8 episodes
Well it came from the same source. We can't be sure at 100% but it seems more true than falseAre we even sure this is real? Could it be someone trying to stir up the bronies?It's real, since it contained dhx credentials that some people used to get 6 almost finished s8 episodes
Im not talking about the episodes but the "G5 designs". They honestly look a lot like fanart I've seen somewhere.
SpoilerSo is the leaked concept art the same ponies we know and love, or a whole new cast? I still can't find the concept art!
SpoilerI think I found the G5 concept art.. is there just the one pic, with unicorn!Fluttershy, appaloosa-ish Applejack, Twilight Sparkle and a sketch of Rarity? Or is there more concept art floating around?
Well, they look interesting, if they're legit. I like AJ's markings and the feathering on her and Twilight. Not sure about the big hair on AJ and Rarity, though. The eyebrows are pretty weird, too :p plus geez, not more main 6, please.. give us a break already...
The art style doesn't really look that different to me, honestly. It'll be interesting to see if these are real or not.
Is it safe to post some of the content right here in the thread? Because I have a lot of the files downloaded from "some other site" (and seriously, almost everyone there is in full panic mode).
Some of it can already been seen on the "Horse-News" site.
http://www.horse-news.net/2017/12/the-ride-just-hit-bump-but-it-never.html
Again, massive spoiler alert!
CGI movie
My weird sense of humour finds this thread amusing because of all the spoiler tags.SpoilerThe art for AJ is really pretty.
I feel like if this is the concept art for actual continuing the same mane 6 ponies, it's not really G5. It's probably 4.5 by our determination as a community. I mean, all the previous generations have had a core group of ponies at one point or another. G1 began it with the 7 Characters, albeit at the very end of the line and in Europe. But they dominated and some of them had multiple style releases as well before the end of the line (Melody, Sweetheart, Starlight.)
None of those ponies appeared in the core characters of G2. That was basically Ivy, Sundance (SunSparkle in Europe), Light Heart and a few others.
G3 also reinvented the core group, we had Pinkie Pie and Dash, true, but Minty, Sunny Daze, Sparkleworks etc as well.
G4 did keep Pinkie and Dash and some of the G3 names spilled over, but the bulk of the mane 6 wasn't from G3. Applejack is from G1, but her character is totally different. Twilight and Rarity, Fluttershy may have inspiration/name links from other generations but they are new characters to G4.
If it were to be a real G5, we should see not only a new style of pony, but new characters and setting. I guess we don't know about setting yet, but so far we've had Ponyland, Friendship Gardens, Ponyville and Equestria so that's important for a new generation of MLP in terms of the canon. In terms of the ponies, when G3 became G3.5, it was totally different in the style of pony, but it stayed 3.5 because the characters were basically from G3, just redesigned. Thus far this is what the concept art suggests for 'G5'. And for me that doesn't make a new generation.
If authentically Hasbro, this might just be them experimenting with the shape and also we don't know if it's just a sign of them keeping those three and none of the others. AJ would also connect right back to G1 again, so maybe more likely to stay than any of the others in a new generation. It's all speculation, but I feel like if you're doing a full scale reboot, it's only worth ending one franchise before it's actually died out and launching another if you're going to change it up in a big way. We saw that between G3 - G3.5 - G4. I would expect to see more different characters if it's a brand new generation. But we don't know yet. And maybe that's just my own personal hope. I am fed up with this mane 6. I would love to see different and new characters if we are getting a complete reboot. They don't have to be G1 throwbacks for me. I just like to see something original, not a new release piggybacking on the old one for its success.
I think the end of a generation of MLP for most of the people on here is something we've experienced at least once. I mean, G1 ended in 1992-5 depending on where in the world you are; some ponypeople weren't even born then O.o. but we're all still here. It's not the end of the world. The weird thing for me is the expectation of a new generation and MLP continuing beyond what's out now...because when G1 ended, that was the absolute end of MLP at the time, and we didn't have online communities really to share it with - it was still just growing. It really won't be hard for the fans of FIM and G4 to keep it alive if it does end.
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These are 100% legit, otherwise they would not have been leaked alongside partially completed FiM episodes and other clearly legit things. But as I said before, while they are real, they are just concepts, so they may differ from what we end up getting.
SpoilerThe thing that bothers me is, if DHX is just using g4 characters to showcase the style, why would they change their race?I mean you could've shown how a unicorn would look with Rarity and Twilight without drawing Fluttershy as one.This makes me think they want to use them like that in g5.
Could someone post the images here? I want to see them, but I don't want to see any spoilers for the leaked MLP FIM episodes . . . which means I don't dare look under any of these spoiler tags. ;)
I guess what I'm asking is if someone can post the images here and label the spoiler "images only, no TV spoilers" or something.
Edit: I think I found the images on that Horseland site. I am kind of dubious if they're 'real' because they look really fan-arty (nice, but fan-arty) and there's a suspicious amount of shading for a cartoon. I'm looking atSpoilerall these highlights in Twilight Sparkle's mane and the shading on Fluttershy's body
and thinking "uh huh, I'll believe it when I see it."
Well, leaked info is only as good as the person leaking, you know? Like, leaking some legitimate info and then mixing something false in is a possibility (Wikileaks style). Normally I would say no one would bother doing that with MLP, but to be honest I could definitely see someone doing it just to troll the bronies, who are not exactly the most well-loved group on the internet.
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These are 100% legit, otherwise they would not have been leaked alongside partially completed FiM episodes and other clearly legit things. But as I said before, while they are real, they are just concepts, so they may differ from what we end up getting.
Thanks for posting the pics, I appreciate it!
Well, leaked info is only as good as the person leaking, you know? Like, leaking some legitimate info and then mixing something false in is a possibility (Wikileaks style). Normally I would say no one would bother doing that with MLP, but to be honest I could definitely see someone doing it just to troll the bronies, who are not exactly the most well-loved group on the internet.
I don't quite understand why everything is under spoilers?It was never meant to be revealed so soon but has anyway. Besides, other sites aren't even allowing the content to be posted.
Here's the concept art:Wow! Those a pretty good. If the finished product is half as good as these I won't mind if this becomes G4's successor. Barring of course story and whether or not FiM completes on a high or satisfactory note.
I don't quite understand why everything is under spoilers?It was never meant to be revealed so soon but has anyway. Besides, other sites aren't even allowing the content to be posted.
Some people are steering clear of the leaks. People her are just being considerate :)I don't quite understand why everything is under spoilers?It was never meant to be revealed so soon but has anyway. Besides, other sites aren't even allowing the content to be posted.
So?
I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)
I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)SpoilerI think that if this concept art is real and we see the finished designs of the ponies as we see them now that LadyMoondancer is right and Hasbro will keep at least some of the Mane 6 characters even if they change species. G3 Rainbow Dash was an Earth pony but G4 Rainbow Dash
is a Pegasus. I also think that most of the kids who grew up with FIM will be ready to move on to other cartoons/shows so the next group of children that begin watching might not even realize that Twilight was a winged unicorn. I do hope they keep the species the same as in the current FIM. I like the hooves on the new Earth ponies and the flowing mane on Fluttershy. I also like Applejack’s markungs.
Ponyfan
Reading the discussion about Applejack, I find myself asking "Then why not just create a new character to fill the role you want?"
Yeah, God forbid they create ponies not from the ground the almighty Faust smote.Reading the discussion about Applejack, I find myself asking "Then why not just create a new character to fill the role you want?"
Because that would be too much effort on Hasbro's part?
I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)SpoilerI think that if this concept art is real and we see the finished designs of the ponies as we see them now that LadyMoondancer is right and Hasbro will keep at least some of the Mane 6 characters even if they change species. G3 Rainbow Dash was an Earth pony but G4 Rainbow Dash
is a Pegasus. I also think that most of the kids who grew up with FIM will be ready to move on to other cartoons/shows so the next group of children that begin watching might not even realize that Twilight was a winged unicorn. I do hope they keep the species the same as in the current FIM. I like the hooves on the new Earth ponies and the flowing mane on Fluttershy. I also like Applejack’s markungs.
PonyfanSpoilerBut the weird thing is that the species change from G3 to G4 makes sense because almost all ponies in G3 where earth ponies so some of them needed to be changed to create the 2 of each species dynamic. What is the point in randomly changing them now?
I really would love a whole new cast but I guess I could live with these 4 if only there isn't a Pinkie Pie or a Rainbow Dash. But I can't imagine that Hasbro would leave those 2 behind. They've put so much into those characters since the beginning of G3. Pinkie is the pink one and Rainbow is, of course, the rainbow pony. 2 things strongly associated with the popular idea of " My Little Pony."
Also, do these remind anyone else of "Horseland"? I think it's the overly exaggerated hair.
I was thinking that I've seen at least that style on DAHere's the concept art:G5 concept artvisitors can't see pics , please register or login
These are 100% legit, otherwise they would not have been leaked alongside partially completed FiM episodes and other clearly legit things. But as I said before, while they are real, they are just concepts, so they may differ from what we end up getting.
Thanks for posting the pics, I appreciate it!
Well, leaked info is only as good as the person leaking, you know? Like, leaking some legitimate info and then mixing something false in is a possibility (Wikileaks style). Normally I would say no one would bother doing that with MLP, but to be honest I could definitely see someone doing it just to troll the bronies, who are not exactly the most well-loved group on the internet.
i''m 50% sure I seen that on Deviantart the past year 0-0
SpoilerSuper exciting! Let's hope Hasbro improves their toy quality for G5...
Watching the brony community flip out over this is hilarious. I like FiM too guys, but obviously it can't last forever and we had to have a new generation eventually! The butthurt coming from them is outstanding.
Are we still doing spoiler tags?SpoilerSuper exciting! Let's hope Hasbro improves their toy quality for G5...
Watching the brony community flip out over this is hilarious. I like FiM too guys, but obviously it can't last forever and we had to have a new generation eventually! The butthurt coming from them is outstanding.
Someone get a bag of popcorn.
I can't see the conceot art. Do they look like horses again?
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These are 100% legit, otherwise they would not have been leaked alongside partially completed FiM episodes and other clearly legit things. But as I said before, while they are real, they are just concepts, so they may differ from what we end up getting.
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These are 100% legit, otherwise they would not have been leaked alongside partially completed FiM episodes and other clearly legit things. But as I said before, while they are real, they are just concepts, so they may differ from what we end up getting.SpoilerTheir muzzles are still kinda deformed.
AJ reminds me of the Breyer Pony Gals. Or Horseland.
Thanks BeatlePokemonFan!
Is it bad that my first though of the new designs wasSpoilerhow Hasbro will cheap out on their extra markings? :silly:
I'd be happy with these designs. They have a more mature look, and seem like they could have more playability like hair and clothes since they aren't as "chibi" and compact as the G4s.
Regardless of how this concept is compared to what we end up getting, I do hope they keep the aspect of having markings like that Applejack has, I am in love with those!Here's the concept art:G5 concept artvisitors can't see pics , please register or login
These are 100% legit, otherwise they would not have been leaked alongside partially completed FiM episodes and other clearly legit things. But as I said before, while they are real, they are just concepts, so they may differ from what we end up getting.SpoilerTheir muzzles are still kinda deformed.
AJ reminds me of the Breyer Pony Gals. Or Horseland.
Thanks BeatlePokemonFan!
No problem!
I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)SpoilerI think that if this concept art is real and we see the finished designs of the ponies as we see them now that LadyMoondancer is right and Hasbro will keep at least some of the Mane 6 characters even if they change species. G3 Rainbow Dash was an Earth pony but G4 Rainbow Dash
is a Pegasus. I also think that most of the kids who grew up with FIM will be ready to move on to other cartoons/shows so the next group of children that begin watching might not even realize that Twilight was a winged unicorn. I do hope they keep the species the same as in the current FIM. I like the hooves on the new Earth ponies and the flowing mane on Fluttershy. I also like Applejack’s markungs.
PonyfanSpoilerBut the weird thing is that the species change from G3 to G4 makes sense because almost all ponies in G3 where earth ponies so some of them needed to be changed to create the 2 of each species dynamic. What is the point in randomly changing them now?
I really would love a whole new cast but I guess I could live with these 4 if only there isn't a Pinkie Pie or a Rainbow Dash. But I can't imagine that Hasbro would leave those 2 behind. They've put so much into those characters since the beginning of G3. Pinkie is the pink one and Rainbow is, of course, the rainbow pony. 2 things strongly associated with the popular idea of " My Little Pony."
Also, do these remind anyone else of "Horseland"? I think it's the overly exaggerated hair.SpoilerI’d forgotten there were so many Earth ponies in G3. I always liked the 2 of each kind of pony and agree that Hasbro should keep the Mane 6 species the same as they are now. I’d also like to see new characters instead of the same characters we see now. Changing the species does seem random but if Hasbro is going for a complete reboot including a new cartoon they may not care if Twilight was a winged unicorn in one series and an Earth pony in the new series. I think a lot of it will depend on if Hasbro is going to use established characters like the Mane 6 in new ways (maybe making Twilight a background character instead of the focus. ) I think the G3 Core 7 influenced some of the G4 Mane 6 and other characters in FIM
G3 Core 7
Pinkie Pie
Rainbow Dash
Starsong
Scootaloo
Toola-Roola
Sweetie Belle
Cherrilee
I think the only one that hasn’t appeared in FIM yet is Starsong. As much as I enjoy FIM I think a new series with new characters could be nice.
Ponyfan
I don't quite understand why everything is under spoilers?
Are we still doing spoiler tags?SpoilerSuper exciting! Let's hope Hasbro improves their toy quality for G5...
Watching the brony community flip out over this is hilarious. I like FiM too guys, but obviously it can't last forever and we had to have a new generation eventually! The butthurt coming from them is outstanding.
Someone get a bag of popcorn.
I can't see the conceot art. Do they look like horses again?SpoilerThey look like a cross of G4 and G2 so far. The heads and snout shapes are G4/G3.5 ish because they're shorter, but the bodies are more slender like G2.
I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)SpoilerI think that if this concept art is real and we see the finished designs of the ponies as we see them now that LadyMoondancer is right and Hasbro will keep at least some of the Mane 6 characters even if they change species. G3 Rainbow Dash was an Earth pony but G4 Rainbow Dash
is a Pegasus. I also think that most of the kids who grew up with FIM will be ready to move on to other cartoons/shows so the next group of children that begin watching might not even realize that Twilight was a winged unicorn. I do hope they keep the species the same as in the current FIM. I like the hooves on the new Earth ponies and the flowing mane on Fluttershy. I also like Applejack’s markungs.
PonyfanSpoilerBut the weird thing is that the species change from G3 to G4 makes sense because almost all ponies in G3 where earth ponies so some of them needed to be changed to create the 2 of each species dynamic. What is the point in randomly changing them now?
I really would love a whole new cast but I guess I could live with these 4 if only there isn't a Pinkie Pie or a Rainbow Dash. But I can't imagine that Hasbro would leave those 2 behind. They've put so much into those characters since the beginning of G3. Pinkie is the pink one and Rainbow is, of course, the rainbow pony. 2 things strongly associated with the popular idea of " My Little Pony."
Also, do these remind anyone else of "Horseland"? I think it's the overly exaggerated hair.
Yeah, God forbid they create ponies not from the ground the almighty Faust smote.Reading the discussion about Applejack, I find myself asking "Then why not just create a new character to fill the role you want?"
Because that would be too much effort on Hasbro's part?
Within the spoiler below is a complete cheat sheet for all the episodes of season 8, including their titles, premises, etc.
View at your own risk!Spoilerhttp://i.4cdn.org/mlp/1513464571953.jpg
Within the spoiler below is a complete cheat sheet for all the episodes of season 8, including their titles, premises, etc.
View at your own risk!Spoilerhttp://i.4cdn.org/mlp/1513464571953.jpgSpoileromg Kirin?!?!?
I saw someone mention Grogar in this thread, where's he come into it? Was that mentioned in the emails or something? I haven't seen those, so yeah.. does anyone have a link to the emails? Or a summary of them at least?
SpoilerThe thing that bothers me is, if DHX is just using g4 characters to showcase the style, why would they change their race?I mean you could've shown how a unicorn would look with Rarity and Twilight without drawing Fluttershy as one.This makes me think they want to use them like that in g5.
*dancing in the street to hear that G4 will end*
Oh except that I don't like the style of G5 either...
Something I've been wondering is if it's such a good idea to rely on the same people to make this new generation who worked on the previous. All the previous generations have been handed to a new team so they can craft their new vision. Here, they're telling the same people who have been working on My Little Pony for a decade to go and reinvent the wheel. Which makes me think we'll just get Friendship is Magic 2.0 on the media side not because it was necessarily the intention but what these people are use to working on.
SpoilerThe thing that bothers me is, if DHX is just using g4 characters to showcase the style, why would they change their race?I mean you could've shown how a unicorn would look with Rarity and Twilight without drawing Fluttershy as one.This makes me think they want to use them like that in g5.
I'm sure the kids who grew up on G3 asked the same thing. Why is Rainbowdash a pegasus? Why is Rarity white instead of pink? Etc. Etc.
SpoilerThe thing that bothers me is, if DHX is just using g4 characters to showcase the style, why would they change their race?I mean you could've shown how a unicorn would look with Rarity and Twilight without drawing Fluttershy as one.This makes me think they want to use them like that in g5.
I'm sure the kids who grew up on G3 asked the same thing. Why is Rainbowdash a pegasus? Why is Rarity white instead of pink? Etc. Etc.
I would love if they went back to Rarity's original colors tbh. It was always disappointing how Twily and Dash were the only ones with more than just one mane color.
I agree so much with you. :lol: This is really hilarious to see.SpoilerI love watching the bronies be butthurt over this. Someone should tell them MLP doesn't start and end with FiM.
I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)
Something I've been wondering is if it's such a good idea to rely on the same people to make this new generation who worked on the previous. All the previous generations have been handed to a new team so they can craft their new vision. Here, they're telling the same people who have been working on My Little Pony for a decade to go and reinvent the wheel. Which makes me think we'll just get Friendship is Magic 2.0 on the media side not because it was necessarily the intention but what these people are use to working on.
Hasn't the staff changed tho? Could the newer staff be feeling restricted by the foundation laid by the previous staff so Hasbro is letting them create the new show entirely from scratch?SpoilerThe thing that bothers me is, if DHX is just using g4 characters to showcase the style, why would they change their race?I mean you could've shown how a unicorn would look with Rarity and Twilight without drawing Fluttershy as one.This makes me think they want to use them like that in g5.
I'm sure the kids who grew up on G3 asked the same thing. Why is Rainbowdash a pegasus? Why is Rarity white instead of pink? Etc. Etc.
I would love if they went back to Rarity's original colors tbh. It was always disappointing how Twily and Dash were the only ones with more than just one mane color.
My curiosity forced me at gunpoint to look at the leaked episodes after they were uploaded to Youtube. I only saw 6, and two had full music and sound effects. Overall they were pretty good.I think that music was more likely "filler" music. I was fun though.SpoilerCelestia is so cute in that one. Chrysalis had a cute moment too that I saved as a GIF).
It looks like they are going to try "outside music" for some scenes. The Big Mac episode has 2 clips of Take My Breath Away, and the Surf and/or Turf ep' had Don't You Forget About Me at the end. As if those 80's references weren't enough; the Horse Play ep' had the return of the character Raspberry Beret (she last appeared in "Made in Manehattan". I thought she was a new character at first. I didn't even remember seeing her before. Gonna' be making a brushable custom of her).
That's a bit mean to those who are upset that something they love is coming to an end. :huh:I agree so much with you. :lol: This is really hilarious to see.SpoilerI love watching the bronies be butthurt over this. Someone should tell them MLP doesn't start and end with FiM.
I'm not talking about people who are upset that FiM is ending, I'm talking about people who are upset that MLP is ruined forever/this isn't what Faust wanted/changing a pony's design between gens is outrageous and has definitely never happened before :PThat's a bit mean to those who are upset that something they love is coming to an end. :huh:I agree so much with you. :lol: This is really hilarious to see.SpoilerI love watching the bronies be butthurt over this. Someone should tell them MLP doesn't start and end with FiM.
That's a bit mean to those who are upset that something they love is coming to an end. :huh:I agree so much with you. :lol: This is really hilarious to see.SpoilerI love watching the bronies be butthurt over this. Someone should tell them MLP doesn't start and end with FiM.
Heres my little rant about G5SpoilerAfter reading though all the g5 stuff what I don't understand is why do they hate anything "horsey" like. I mean they ARE horses so its only natural for them to look like horses. >_< I mean I'm not expecting them to start making toys that look like Breyers, but I don't see the problem with some horse characteristics. Maybe I'm just crazy here, but wasn't the whole idea behind the mlp franchise that little girls like horses? :P
SpoilerI like the style, the detail, and body proportions/variations, but why is the hair so big? Other than that I'll be disappointed if they end up using practically the same exact character designs in G5 as they did in G4. I like what they did with AJ, but Twilight and Fluttershy are way too similar for my taste.
My curiosity forced me at gunpoint to look at the leaked episodes after they were uploaded to Youtube. I only saw 6, and two had full music and sound effects. Overall they were pretty good.I think that music was more likely "filler" music. I was fun though.SpoilerCelestia is so cute in that one. Chrysalis had a cute moment too that I saved as a GIF).
It looks like they are going to try "outside music" for some scenes. The Big Mac episode has 2 clips of Take My Breath Away, and the Surf and/or Turf ep' had Don't You Forget About Me at the end. As if those 80's references weren't enough; the Horse Play ep' had the return of the character Raspberry Beret (she last appeared in "Made in Manehattan". I thought she was a new character at first. I didn't even remember seeing her before. Gonna' be making a brushable custom of her).
Well I guess it was too much to ask to have HORSE FACED HORSES.
First reaction:
Disappoint.
Second reaction:
If they get a really good toy sculptor to do the toys we could have something pretty, like people have been saying here so far. Big hair? Big fine with me because always the combing hair toy has long hair or it's no fun. (Like, your brushy twi, she has hair past her feet while the show it's shoulder length) If they want to represent that in the art, fine/not bothering me. In my opinion there's hope for this gen to give real pretty ponies.
G1 show art was often awwwwwwful. They just basically could. not. draw. fronts. The eyes migrated all over their heads (but not as bad as g4), there was some real wonkiness and that's not even counting miscolored chars, wrong voices used, and other stuff. Just the art. If you looked at the G1 cartoon and never saw the toy you'd expect the toy to be doughy and awful. But they weren't, they were amazing,
LittleKirara
YES THIS. Stop trying to put emojis on end-tables and say it's ponies. The point of them is that they look different from, and are not humans, nor cats nor flat faced pug dogs in rainbow colors.
However...
I do say that after having seen the art I feel it's an improvement over this late-stage G4 stuff we have, especially after the brushable reboot.
It just seemed like everything was making the heads rounder & rounder and more like big balloons. That, or those emoji faces...I think. Like that "From the Front" art that they'll do for any character where like...it's LITERALLY a stupid smily face but with a pushed up arch for the nose. A circle with 2 big eyes and a smily mouth. These circle heads just don't...pony for me. Like the RADZ balls heads or the ones where their head is a cupcake/box.
GOH: At least these look like the show.
I quit on bubble-head-brushies (only getting BigMac & Soarin because their face) out of the line.
I can't even bring myself to get a seapony because of the balloon head with bitsy-nose and humongous orb eyes. It's like...I love seaponies. I love mermaid stuff I WANT to like them...but then here comes wall-eyed Skystar and........nope.
Setting Up for More Work:
To whoever mentioned "well how is hasbroken going to cheap out and mess these up...."
Spot on?
Actual.............whoa.........different bodies for different characters? Everypony can't be made in the same boring, static mold just changing the color? Is that more than Hasbro can handle??? Characters who aren't just a pallet swap and 1 accessory? (wing/horn) Actual effort? "Color me" surprised. Maybe. Unless they ruin it and make 1 mold and throw it all out.
I personally would love different body types for ponies.
AJ with the hairy legs and coat pattern, twi with the actual hooves under the ankle fur, smooth leg Rarity, give each character a distinctive silhouette--as we are taught to do in art school to make things interesting. They were all basically a cookie-cutter save for their hair previously. Maybe somebody's taller, shorter, maybe AJ is wide/big like a Clydesdale or rarity is dainty like a deer or something. Mix it up.
Same characters....yea this is odd.
If you're gonna have the same chars with the same colors....leave them the same species. So if it's the same mane gang (only saw 3 of them in the art) they can't really call it a reboot. And the art, while different...isn't THAT different. Esp. Twi where you can see them blunting/rounding the face and putting the eyes in human positions as g4 had it. So maybe this is "G4.5" that we've been waiting on if it's thaaaat similar & same cast anyway.
Still, quite intrigued as to where this could go.
I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)
I think so too. You can argue that Hasbro has attempted to establish a group of core characters ever since MLP Tales "Seven Characters" (they probably would have kept pushing these characters if the toyline hadn't ended at that point). But not until G4 did they manage to create a group of characters that truly became recognized by the mainstream, similar to Optimus Prime/Megatron/Bumblebee of Transformers. These are the faces of MLP now, even if we'll probably be seeing different interpretations of them for every generation.
Ultimately regardless of what happens with the core ponies' designs (I would prefer we have as little resemblance to G3 Core 7 or G4 Mane 6 ponies as possible), my main want is for them to not constantly re-release whoever ends up being in G5's core ponies over and over again. I want the wide variety of ponies there were to buy in G1 through pre-Core 7 G3 again.
Agreed here too.Ultimately regardless of what happens with the core ponies' designs (I would prefer we have as little resemblance to G3 Core 7 or G4 Mane 6 ponies as possible), my main want is for them to not constantly re-release whoever ends up being in G5's core ponies over and over again. I want the wide variety of ponies there were to buy in G1 through pre-Core 7 G3 again.
Basically my thoughts, I don't mind having a main cast for the TV series but for the toys it feels like they're really not trying to make it interesting. I don't even think kids want the same character in 40 slightly different themes.
Having been in the pony community when the G2s came out, and having witnessed the whole "Shadow War" thing in person, I find it very interesting that Hasbro seems to have gone towards a G2 style design. They weren't prepared for the blowback over the G2s back in 1997, and most of that was due to the long legged design. The G4 fanbase is much bigger and even more opinionated than MLP collectors were back in the day. It's going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
I was hoping that there would *finally* be a break between generations when G4s ended, but if all the information is correct, it looks like that's not going to happen. Maybe it should. A "cooling off" period between generations to give the more rabid G4 fans a chance to calm down might have been a good idea. Also, having brand new ponies in stores sharing shelf space with last year's unsold peg warmers always sucks a bit of the excitement out any new release. They're probably trying to keep the old G4 momentum up, but a break to clear out old stock and a fresh start a bit later might have made things a bit easier and more exciting for the fans of the older ponies.
*shrugs*
I've personally witnessed every MLP generation change, so this really doesn't bother me in the slightest. G4s have definitely had their time and run their course. I just hope Hasbro goes away from the Core 7/Mane 6 garbage, and back to the huge variety that you could see in the G1s and most of the G3 line.
There's provably never going to be a full break if it can be avoided. MLP is for Hasbro like Barbie is for Mattel. The closest thing to a break would be selling random ponies without any show to back it up like they briefly did for LPS after the cartoon with Blythe ended.
There's provably never going to be a full break if it can be avoided. MLP is for Hasbro like Barbie is for Mattel. The closest thing to a break would be selling random ponies without any show to back it up like they briefly did for LPS after the cartoon with Blythe ended.Points to the gaps in G1 to G2 and G2 to G3.
There's provably never going to be a full break if it can be avoided. MLP is for Hasbro like Barbie is for Mattel. The closest thing to a break would be selling random ponies without any show to back it up like they briefly did for LPS after the cartoon with Blythe ended.
Points to the gaps in G1 to G2 and G2 to G3.
I think relatively speaking that's the same thing. G4's popularity with the mane six has nothing to do with the show or characters so much as the platforms on which those can now be made globally recogniseable. We live in a different world.
Spoilerlet the nourishing brony tears flow over me.
Isn't the fact that they are calling the art "G5" suspicious though? Who other than collectors and bronies calls the ponies by their generations?
Isn't that a point towards the probable hoax category?
It could be a possible placeholder until they come up with a proper subtitle. This is what we're not supposed to see, and the show staff are aware of the Generation numbering used by fans.This was what I was thinking. If they are having trouble coming up with a whole world in less than a year, they most like don't have a name.
The Mane 6 are far from the best ponies or even representatives of their archetypes if you ask me. Looking at the 7 Character ponies, Bright Eyes was a much better intellectual than Twilight Sparkle. Patch's love of adventure is far more entertaining than Rainbow Dash's quest to be awesome. Sweetheart is a better soft spoken character than Fluttershy.I predict when MLP gets rebooted, whenever that may be, the Mane Six will comprise at least half the main characters.
Ever since G2, when it seemed like every other released pony with Ivy, Hasbro has wanted to have a core set of recognizable ponies. Now they finally have that, and there is no way they're going to give it up.
However it's possible there will be new characters introduced with the old characters (the way G4 had two core G3 ponies (revamped Pinkie and Rainbow Dash), but also new characters.) Which is what I'm hoping for. ;)
I think so too. You can argue that Hasbro has attempted to establish a group of core characters ever since MLP Tales "Seven Characters" (they probably would have kept pushing these characters if the toyline hadn't ended at that point). But not until G4 did they manage to create a group of characters that truly became recognized by the mainstream, similar to Optimus Prime/Megatron/Bumblebee of Transformers. These are the faces of MLP now, even if we'll probably be seeing different interpretations of them for every generation.
Pretty sure I said that eight pages ago. And about the previous generations and core characters. The difference between 7characters and now is nothing to do with the show or toy, it's to do with the opportunity technology offers now to mainstream those images and ideas. Those simply didn't exist in 1992 when the 7 Characters came into being. In spite of that they then took over all of the MLP media from about late 92 to the end of production. The show even aired in the US even though the ponies didn't happen there. I think relatively speaking that's the same thing. G4's popularity with the mane six has nothing to do with the show or characters so much as the platforms on which those can now be made globally recogniseable. We live in a different world.
This is just one of the many reasons I really dislike when people try to take G4 and look back comparatively, because it ends in an anachronism. Each generation was what it was in its own context. I think we can only really say that G2 didn't make an impression because of its failure in the US.SpoilerGoing back on topic, I have sympathy for all bronies who are not psycho. The ones who attack old generations or simply don't bother to understand the roots of their fandom, it's time they got a clue. If they are real fans, they'll stick with it regardless of whether it ends or not. As I said before, most of us here have survived the end of multiple generations.
The thing that gets me is that G1 is still here and collected and popular in spite of the fact it's been over more than 20 years. I think that we'll only know what kind of impact G4 really had a generation after it ended. I would hope to see lots of collectors remembering their childhoods and hunting up their favourites, just as we did and just as the generation 3 collectors now are starting to do. If G4 ends and loses the stupid fad fans in the process, so much for the better. So I don't like seeing them suffer per se, but they really need to get over themselves -and it - fast. I saw a few comments when looking for more information on that image and saw someone complaining that Hasbro don't care about the bronies even though they watch the show. The obvious point in that is no, Hasbro don't care about the people who just watch the show. They care about the people who buy their toys, and I guess they're realising now as a company that the bronies might be out there, but a lot of the more manic ones do not buy the toys that the series is there to sell. So no wonder they're wanting to cut ties and redevelop for a new launch (if that is what they are actually doing). They want people to spend money on their products. No point in catering to a group who don't want to do that.
Jem in the 80s had one of the best TV series and it is still a cult classic. But the toy line still failed and the show got cut because of it. Ultimately, whatever the FIM fans want to think, for Hasbro it's not about DVD sales. It's entirely about selling the toys. And if you aren't buying the toys, then the line isn't going to feed your fantasies for the rest of eternity. Life doesn't work like that...
As I said before, I don't mind if G4 ends or if it continues. I am just sick of those six ponies. If Hasbro bring out new characters in the new style, then I'll be interested in looking at them at least. If it's just remashed g4, not interested. Going back to what I said about toys, Mane 6 shelf-sit more than the original characters in a set here in the UK. While it's fact that they tend to put more Pinkie Pies in distribution boxes than any other mane 6 pony, it's mostly Rainbow Dash that shelf-sits here. Hasbro need new ponies to spearhead a new franchise. Keep one or two - maybe AJ as Wardah said, the legacy back to G1 - but let's have something c completely new. Not reworked G1, not G2, G3...or G4. Something new and unique to G5. If indeed that is what is going to happen, rather than what the concept art suggests is actually a G4.5.
Otherwise I agree with everything goddessofpeep said. The thing is, I think the 'shadow' war happened because then we were all a lot younger as G1 people. I think maybe a lot of G4 people are now in that bracket, so it might be angry for a while. But probably not here. We're used to change by now...so whatever is coming, bring it on. Ultimately, it's the kids that matter most in the equation and always will be. The kids who buy toys.
From Hasbro's perspective it doesn't matter what continuity is "best", what matters is that they have recognizable characters. Like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles always has the same four turtle characters every time it's rebooted.
If Hasbro looked back on MLP Tales and decided "Wow, that was great" then they'd just slightly alter Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, etc, and put them in a Tales-like world. If they looked at Fizzy and thought, "Wow, best character ever!" then they'd probably reskin her as Pinkie Pie. Because Fizzy's personality has nothing to do with her being green, having multi-colored hair, or having jewel eyes. And because Hasbro has dumped a whole lot of money into making "pink pony with pink hair and balloons on butt" a part of their core character cast.
Characters are malleable from continuity to continuity. I think this is something bronies are going to have to grapple with . . . That the personality given to Twilight Sparkle or whoever is not set in stone to Hasbro, which sees 'characters' more as collections of colors than as collections of personality traits.
An example of this from the Transformers side of things:
Is Bumblebee an old, crotchety Autobot who uses a cane and is bitter about how things fell out after the Cybertronian civil war ended? Or is he a fresh-faced optimistic young Autobot who is learning how to lead a team for the first time? The answer is: he is both, concurrently. He's the bitter one in the IDW comics and he's the optimist in the recent Robots In Disguise show. To Hasbro, there is no contradiction here. Bumblebee can be either of these things, and a million other things besides.
And can we do the RCW rainbow with Rainbow Dash next time? ROYGBV is too 20th century. I would also change the coat color to white to really set off the mane and tail. Seriously, Starshine (in mint condition) is the most beautiful rainbow-haired pony ever.
Real Color Wheel, where the primary colors are red, green, and blue and the secondary colors are yellow, cyan, and magenta. It reflects how light and pigment actually behave.And can we do the RCW rainbow with Rainbow Dash next time? ROYGBV is too 20th century. I would also change the coat color to white to really set off the mane and tail. Seriously, Starshine (in mint condition) is the most beautiful rainbow-haired pony ever.
What we need is more rainbow-haired ponies, period. By the way, what's RCW?
Isn't the fact that they are calling the art "G5" suspicious though? Who other than collectors and bronies calls the ponies by their generations?
Isn't that a point towards the probable hoax category?
Yeah, that makes me suspicious as well. Hasbro and its partners have never used the G-whatever label for generations.
As far as they are concerned My Little Pony can be divided into:
- My Little Pony
- this space intentionally left blank (aka G2 MLP which Hasbro has completely forgotten they made)
- the other My Little Pony
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
Regardless, bronies being butthurt brings me a sick kind of pleasure. Especially when one of my G1 reviews has some idiot brony commenting today that G1 is (and I'm using the exact quote here) "(beep) bad" and how superior G4 is. Yeah, these people get no sympathy from me.
SpoilerIt's not that they want to kill AJ because she's too hard to write for, they want to kill her because of her association with anything "country, farm or hick" (taken from the email...) I don't think Hasbro cares in any meaningful capacity that the writers have more of a challenge accommodating a story around her character. My guess is they don't feel a farm pony is appealing anymore, especially since they're throwing around the idea of turning her into a scrappy, tough urban girl who has to act harder because she's small. It feels like they're trying to respond to the current climate, and they want a champion of the underdog-type. AJ is my favorite, so it makes me sad that apparently she's too farm-y and horsey, which is silly. But the idea of her being a tough city pony is interesting, it's just hard to see at this point. Interested to see where she goes...
SpoilerIt's not that they want to kill AJ because she's too hard to write for, they want to kill her because of her association with anything "country, farm or hick" (taken from the email...) I don't think Hasbro cares in any meaningful capacity that the writers have more of a challenge accommodating a story around her character. My guess is they don't feel a farm pony is appealing anymore, especially since they're throwing around the idea of turning her into a scrappy, tough urban girl who has to act harder because she's small. It feels like they're trying to respond to the current climate, and they want a champion of the underdog-type. AJ is my favorite, so it makes me sad that apparently she's too farm-y and horsey, which is silly. But the idea of her being a tough city pony is interesting, it's just hard to see at this point. Interested to see where she goes...
I wonder if their aversion has anything to do with the tendency of some bronies to put her with the confederate flag.
Seriously?!??!! :throw: For goodness sakes...SpoilerIt's not that they want to kill AJ because she's too hard to write for, they want to kill her because of her association with anything "country, farm or hick" (taken from the email...) I don't think Hasbro cares in any meaningful capacity that the writers have more of a challenge accommodating a story around her character. My guess is they don't feel a farm pony is appealing anymore, especially since they're throwing around the idea of turning her into a scrappy, tough urban girl who has to act harder because she's small. It feels like they're trying to respond to the current climate, and they want a champion of the underdog-type. AJ is my favorite, so it makes me sad that apparently she's too farm-y and horsey, which is silly. But the idea of her being a tough city pony is interesting, it's just hard to see at this point. Interested to see where she goes...
I wonder if their aversion has anything to do with the tendency of some bronies to put her with the confederate flag.
Ugh.
These are the same people who spent all of Season 5 associating Starlight Glimmer with Nazi and Soviet imagery.Seriously?!??!! :throw: For goodness sakes...SpoilerIt's not that they want to kill AJ because she's too hard to write for, they want to kill her because of her association with anything "country, farm or hick" (taken from the email...) I don't think Hasbro cares in any meaningful capacity that the writers have more of a challenge accommodating a story around her character. My guess is they don't feel a farm pony is appealing anymore, especially since they're throwing around the idea of turning her into a scrappy, tough urban girl who has to act harder because she's small. It feels like they're trying to respond to the current climate, and they want a champion of the underdog-type. AJ is my favorite, so it makes me sad that apparently she's too farm-y and horsey, which is silly. But the idea of her being a tough city pony is interesting, it's just hard to see at this point. Interested to see where she goes...
I wonder if their aversion has anything to do with the tendency of some bronies to put her with the confederate flag.
Ugh.
SpoilerI wonder if Starlight Glimmer will be the go-to thing that killed the show now. People didnt like her becoming the 7th member as is, S9 being the last certainly won't help
These are the same people who spent all of Season 5 associating Starlight Glimmer with Nazi and Soviet imagery.Seriously?!??!! :throw: For goodness sakes...SpoilerIt's not that they want to kill AJ because she's too hard to write for, they want to kill her because of her association with anything "country, farm or hick" (taken from the email...) I don't think Hasbro cares in any meaningful capacity that the writers have more of a challenge accommodating a story around her character. My guess is they don't feel a farm pony is appealing anymore, especially since they're throwing around the idea of turning her into a scrappy, tough urban girl who has to act harder because she's small. It feels like they're trying to respond to the current climate, and they want a champion of the underdog-type. AJ is my favorite, so it makes me sad that apparently she's too farm-y and horsey, which is silly. But the idea of her being a tough city pony is interesting, it's just hard to see at this point. Interested to see where she goes...
I wonder if their aversion has anything to do with the tendency of some bronies to put her with the confederate flag.
Ugh.
S8/9 talk:SpoilerThe idea of a Friendship Academy is so cute! .... ! I really like that they took all the different intelligent species we've met from the previous seasons (yak, dragon, Changeling, gryphon, hippogriff/seapony) and enrolled one character from each culture into the new school. Judging by the intro, the school is made up mostly of regular young ponies, with these five characters being the cultural exchange kinda kids.
SpoilerI wonder if Starlight Glimmer will be the go-to thing that killed the show now. People didnt like her becoming the 7th member as is, S9 being the last certainly won't help
Starlight is a pink and purple unicorn with magic powers. She does well with kids. People need to understand that a couple of angry adults on the internet are not the main target audience, no matter how hard they try to be. Not even us who supported MLP since childhood are the main target.
I never heard a little kid say "well Starlight is just too powerful. And she is a communist!" :rolleyes: Only people who analyze the show do that.
You can get an idea of this when you look at "The Art Of" books for various animated movies. You'll notice a lot of characters looked vastly different in the early stages and the images vary in style and quality based on the artist.
I wonder of the fact that we have all seen this concept art (if it is that) has doomed it to not being used.
I wonder of the fact that we have all seen this concept art (if it is that) has doomed it to not being used.
If it's real concept art, they have many more. So not using one single idea won't doom anything.
I personally think it's curious the leakers/hackers only released one single character art. Could they only obtain one? Did they sneak in fanart or is this merely a pic the people at DHX used to illustrate a general direction the designs could go? (Similar to how the Equestria Girls were partially inspired by cosplay).
If the art really is fanart they used I feel a little bad for the original artist. Imagine waking up one day and suddenly so many people in your fandom talk about your fanart and how it will ruin MLP :lol:
Btw I like that idea of making their hoof lines look similar to their cutiemarks. It's subtle and cool. The designs are very busy, kinda 'powered up' but there are many nice elements in them that could make for a slick character look - if tweaked and streamlined a bit more. Like Rarity having a gem design at the base of her horn is very cute and reminds me of Last Unicorn.
SpoilerI saw some of the leaked season 8 episodes, and I’m officially ready for FiM to go away. There are WAAAAAAY too many different species in this thing now. I can’t wait til this thing is cancelled..
Maybe the rationale is that G1 didn't try to force all those species into one continuous cartoon series? A lot of the species in G1 were never in the animation, or only peripherally compared to the main three (earth, peg, unicorn).SpoilerI saw some of the leaked season 8 episodes, and I’m officially ready for FiM to go away. There are WAAAAAAY too many different species in this thing now. I can’t wait til this thing is cancelled..
How do you figure that? It has roughly the same amount of species G1 has.
SpoilerI saw some of the leaked season 8 episodes, and I’m officially ready for FiM to go away. There are WAAAAAAY too many different species in this thing now. I can’t wait til this thing is cancelled..
How do you figure that? It has roughly the same amount of species G1 has.
Maybe the rationale is that G1 didn't try to force all those species into one continuous cartoon series? A lot of the species in G1 were never in the animation, or only peripherally compared to the main three (earth, peg, unicorn).SpoilerI saw some of the leaked season 8 episodes, and I’m officially ready for FiM to go away. There are WAAAAAAY too many different species in this thing now. I can’t wait til this thing is cancelled..
How do you figure that? It has roughly the same amount of species G1 has.
Not that I have seen much or any FIM since season 1, and I'm not interested in the ep leaks at all, but that would be my best guess.
I would be amused now if there was a g5 release in 2020 and it was entirely different from anything yet seen and all of this is designed to take people off guard and fool them.
SpoilerI saw some of the leaked season 8 episodes, and I’m officially ready for FiM to go away. There are WAAAAAAY too many different species in this thing now. I can’t wait til this thing is cancelled..
How do you figure that? It has roughly the same amount of species G1 has.
Well let's see:
Alicorn
Unicorn
Earth pony
Pegasus
Changeling
Bat pony
Dragon
Hippogriff
Yak
Seapony
Minotaur
Mule
Centaur
Sea serpent
Dog
Buffalo
If you count the movie and comics
Cat
Bird
Eh. Maybe. :P
E I E I OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... ;)
:lol:E I E I OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... ;)
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:lol:E I E I OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... ;)
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If you count the pony comic, there are about 30 more...such as sea sprite and kelpie...
SpoilerI saw some of the leaked season 8 episodes, and I’m officially ready for FiM to go away. There are WAAAAAAY too many different species in this thing now. I can’t wait til this thing is cancelled..
How do you figure that? It has roughly the same amount of species G1 has.
Well let's see:
Alicorn
Unicorn
Earth pony
Pegasus
Changeling
Bat pony
Dragon
Hippogriff
Yak
Seapony
Minotaur
Mule
Centaur
Sea serpent
Dog
Buffalo
If you count the movie and comics
Cat
Bird
Eh. Maybe. :P
I'm still hoping that concept art isn't actually official.. (it most likely is though :()
Cause if it is then that means even in G5 we still can't get away from the Mane 6 uuuugggghhhhhhh :pout:
No more Mane 6 or extreme over-focus on 'core' casts in G5 PLEASE I am BEGGING...
The ponies (aside from Majesty with her extensive library of forbidden knowledge) do not know too much about the world beyond Dream Valley because they are an enclave that mostly keeps to themselves, so when they encounter these different species their ignorance of them is more understandable.
She's the least popular, but her fans are the most militant.
And bronies in general are change adverse. Remember the collective temper tantrum they threw for Twilycorn and Equestria Girls?
I think the most interesting to look at is the e-mail one of the staff sent to the person who did the art.
I really REALLY want a different AJ. They mentioned various new character paths for her like "bad girl", a tough urban girl, etc. All of which sound more interesting than "I'm locked down on this here farm I will inherit and slave away for the rest of my life". It is possible to be family oriented, hard working and honest without a location the character is tied to (and creepy lesser livestock animals).
Characters like Rarity didn't need to stay in Ponyville and got to travel to other cities to expand their work and open up new ways to tell their stories. For AJ it was always "sell ma apples, fix that thang, get er done" - it got stale.
Also, outside of the US, people viewed AJ more like a cowgirl and not a "hick". Cowboys are cool and get into fights (as is the movie stereotype). Making AJ more of a bad girl would fit that like a glove without making her a literal colonist (what I hated THE MOST about the first season).
I think it's funny she was always considered the least popular of the 6 and now that they want to chabge her the hyper fans are clutching their pearls and say her boringness made her special.
I say: make AJ like Rogue from the 90s X-Men cartoon - a tough as nails southern belle with a dark-ish past so there is lots of room to grow!
I really don't want these ponies to be the legacy characters though. They're not what I would want to slap on the face of the brand and say this is its identity for all time. Especially Twilight, Pinkie, and Rainbow Dash. I can't stand them now.
But Pinkie is the color of stomach medicine. Seriously, there are so many pleasant shades of pink and you make your flagship pony the one I think of when my digestive system has declared war on the rest of my body?
I actually had an idea with regards to Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash. Don't make them main character, but prevalent supporting characters. Like Pinkie Pie is similar to the good mayor in Paw Patrol, a good-hearted but half-wit figure head of government (but more active than Mayor Mare).
Spoilerwow those g5 concept arts look nice, they look like a mix of g2 and g4.
Not sure of why they are keeping some of the mane 6 if they are changing their races. Aj especially is surprising but looks cool. Just not sure about the personality they talked about for her. Also I'm kinda enjoying the brony fandom imploding in a sadistic way.
If those are the style we'll get for G5, cautiously optimistic.
I do hope it's a whole new cast and setting though - otherwise it'll just be Brony-Fandom 2.0.
sadly noSpoilerSuper exciting! Let's hope Hasbro improves their toy quality for G5...
Watching the brony community flip out over this is hilarious. I like FiM too guys, but obviously it can't last forever and we had to have a new generation eventually! The butthurt coming from them is outstanding.
Someone get a bag of popcorn.
I can't see the concept art. Do they look like horses again?
SpoilerIt's not that they want to kill AJ because she's too hard to write for, they want to kill her because of her association with anything "country, farm or hick" (taken from the email...) I don't think Hasbro cares in any meaningful capacity that the writers have more of a challenge accommodating a story around her character. My guess is they don't feel a farm pony is appealing anymore, especially since they're throwing around the idea of turning her into a scrappy, tough urban girl who has to act harder because she's small. It feels like they're trying to respond to the current climate, and they want a champion of the underdog-type. AJ is my favorite, so it makes me sad that apparently she's too farm-y and horsey, which is silly. But the idea of her being a tough city pony is interesting, it's just hard to see at this point. Interested to see where she goes...
I wonder if their aversion has anything to do with the tendency of some bronies to put her with the confederate flag.
She's the least popular, but her fans are the most militant.Not really. Bronies are pretty easy to avoid as it turns out. They can love her all they want, but I think Hasbro won't have any problems ignoring them if they aren't dishing out the $$$ for toys. I think they see the momentum slowing down which is why they're looking for a reboot with a new audience and what's left of the old.
And bronies in general are change adverse. Remember the collective temper tantrum they threw for Twilycorn and Equestria Girls?
Hmmm, just saw some news about Equestria Girls and suddenly had an idea. What if Hasbro used EG to keep the mane 6 characters current and relevant but allowed the MLP main line to develop a new cast. Then Hasbro could have their cake and eat it, too.
The Mane 6 are a part of the problem. They're not Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Megatron, and Starscream. I forget where I heard or read it, but Faust said she based each of the six on different mental disorders. That's not a foundation you build icons on.
What's the news about Equestria Girls?
The Mane 6 are a part of the problem. They're not Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Megatron, and Starscream. I forget where I heard or read it, but Faust said she based each of the six on different mental disorders. That's not a foundation you build icons on.
If anything, trying to just reboot with them runs the risk of what happened to Transformers G2 where the recolors turned off old fans and the lack of new characters turned off potential new fans. If they're going to take away everything that makes Applejack Applejack, then why keep her as Applejack? There's more to this brand than these six ponies.
Having seen the pic with AJ and Fluttershy on it....
....it looks like someone's fanart. Nothing I will lose sleep over. Character design concepts can also rapidly change during the various stages of design. If this one is legit then I assume it could be the early stages when multiple artists and designers throw their ideas out there.
You can get an idea of this when you look at "The Art Of" books for various animated movies. You'll notice a lot of characters looked vastly different in the early stages and the images vary in style and quality based on the artist.
That being said, I think an eventual G5 wouldn't look like this pic. Why? Because Hasbro is cheap. Animating all those details is a hassle and they are notoriously stingy when it comes to different body molds. AJ looks really cool, imo. I would embrace that G2 on FIMroids look.
lol that was literally some brony's attempt at the lamest creepypasta ever.Oh good. Though, I think the current writers are operating on that really being the case. Because having characters with mental problems makes the show deeper and more mature.
lol that was literally some brony's attempt at the lamest creepypasta ever.Oh good. Though, I think the current writers are operating on that really being the case. Because having characters with mental problems makes the show deeper and more mature.
And that's something that really scares me about leaving this in the hands of the current creative staff. They have this warped idea of what MLP should be. Much of it is because of the overcompensating bronies who praised them for brushing up against subjects that are more 'mature' like Applejack's dead parents. That mentality could continue into the next generation only be even worse.
But everyone hates Bayformers Optimus Prime, and it's finally caught up with the movies. Megs and Starscream are crazy, but they're villains. And the Mane 6 are far past quirks at this point.
I blame the "success" of the movies on the Bad Car Accident Syndrome. People are going to see these movies specifically to see how bad they are. Unfortunately, the Bad Car Accident Syndrome can only get you so far before you being so bad loses its novelty. The Bayformers have reached that point.But everyone hates Bayformers Optimus Prime, and it's finally caught up with the movies. Megs and Starscream are crazy, but they're villains. And the Mane 6 are far past quirks at this point.
But their toys still sell. Even the Bayformers sell really well. My point was that the characterization didn't stop people from loving the legacy characters. Starscream wasn't even recognizable in toy form but he sold.
What critics said didn't stop them from making 5 movies because the money was still coming in Only the latest one was somewhat of a dud financially. So I guess these kind if things do not bother the masses and only bother longtime fans.
If the ponies are quirky or insane is in the eye of the beholder. Imo, they only used "insane faces" when they wanted to do over the top physical humor with them (which kids seem to love). I could do without that. Which is why in my perfect G5 I would tone it down.I'll take the steadily declining ratings of the show and reports of the peg warmers in the stores as a sign G4 has worn out its welcome. Maybe I was just strange, but I needed to take breaks from wacky cartoons and find less over the top things to watch. MLP had been one of those things.
I would keep Rarity's dramatics, tho :lol:
S8 HnH Day episode spoiler:SpoilerSo in S8 we get a new Hearts 'n Hooves Day episode focused on Big Mac and Sugar Belle. And in this episode, Lyra and Bonbon give each other gifts and a big hug during a montage of ponies celebrating Hearts 'n Hooves Day! I think this is pretty much the clearest 'hint' we'll get that they are meant to be a couple. Not that you can't make the argument that friends get each other gifts during Valentine's Day (I've even bought little stuff for my own friends on Valentine's) but because it was in a montage of couples celebrating the holiday, I think that's a pretty big indication without having them, like, come out and say they're getting married or something like that. It's short and subtle, and still a little "safe" and ambiguous, but I do like it.
Although I have to roll my eyes at yet another instance of brony fans "getting what they want", because the Lyra/Bonbon relationship is one of the biggest ships in the online community, I also really support the appearance of same-gender relationships in kids media and I think we need more of them. Nickalodeon took a daring step in their cartoon The Loud House by having a boy in it with two dads. They also had a girl/girl relationship in their cartoon The Legend of Korra, although by the time that relationship was revealed, the show had moved off of TV and was only streamed online. I like that MLP FiM is also taking some steps forward in this regard. :D
Taffeta, you have the entire main cast to show platonic friendship :lol:Personally I rather see all new cast for main characters, the current cast being used as non-main characters is fine. I'm not a fan of Starlight, but then again I stopped watching the show early on due to a few things and well I just cannot bring myself to watch it again. You can give a character personality but there is such a thing as going overboard..
Personally, as a B girl in an L relationship I like to be thrown a miserable vague, maybe canon (?) bread crump once in a while.
Hasbro cares too much about money to introduce a real gay couple anyways. It's always the same; big companies are not interested in showing minorities if they can't cash in on them somehow.SpoilerI thought the hug was super sweet and inoffensive. Not all f/f shippers are straight creepy men :P
As for the shoutouts, I maintain the later seasons did them better. Yes you have fanon mixed in with Muffins being the mail carrier and that 100th episode that I never managed to watch in full because it was too cringey for me.
But I'll take inoffensive fanons about almost mute backgrounders over creepy easter eggs in the form of Slenderpony, or animators making their self-insert characters canon.
I hope any current fanon won't make it into G5. However, a lot of people who work on MLP these days like the 4th Wall breaking and the fanservice so we'll see how extreme it will get.
I just don't want any repetition of the Muffin or alicorn!Twilight drama. That stuff soured the show and the entire generation for me and I only got back into it when the show introduced Starlight as a 7th character.SpoilerI watched the leaked episode with her and Sunburst. All her episodes remind me that she is ironically the most relatable despite being very all-powerful unicorn-y. She is always doubting herself, she is sarcastic and tries to fit in in a realistic way. I would be sad to see no Starlight Glimmer (as the character trope) in G5. Maybe they should give Twilight her personality :cool:
Personally, as a B girl in an L relationship I like to be thrown a miserable vague, maybe canon (?) bread crump once in a while.
I think I like Starlight because she's like if a real person was dropped into a cartoon and had to live there. Like, everyone around you is all starry-eyed, speaking in quirky quips or optimistic platitudes about rainbows, and you're like "Well this is my life now, better make the best of it."
Taffeta, you have the entire main cast to show platonic friendship :lol:
S8 HnH Day episode spoiler:SpoilerSo in S8 we get a new Hearts 'n Hooves Day episode focused on Big Mac and Sugar Belle. And in this episode, Lyra and Bonbon give each other gifts and a big hug during a montage of ponies celebrating Hearts 'n Hooves Day!
And I'm afraid we're going to start with this situation if My Little Pony is not taken out of the hands of this current staff and given to someone not tainted by the brony craze.
I wish. I would make My Little Pony Great Again. :lol:And I'm afraid we're going to start with this situation if My Little Pony is not taken out of the hands of this current staff and given to someone not tainted by the brony craze.
Like yourself? :lol:
I'd like for this to appeal to kids again.
You do know that appealing to kids does not equal mind numbing right? We don't necessarily need adult-pandering to make it entertaining for us.I'd like for this to appeal to kids again.
Plenty of kids still like MLP:FIM tho. There's nothing about how MLP is currently that doesn't appeal to kids. Unless you mean only appeal to kids by being as mind numbing as G3.5 was.
You do know that appealing to kids does not equal mind numbing right? We don't necessarily need adult-pandering to make it entertaining for us.I'd like for this to appeal to kids again.
Plenty of kids still like MLP:FIM tho. There's nothing about how MLP is currently that doesn't appeal to kids. Unless you mean only appeal to kids by being as mind numbing as G3.5 was.
You do know that appealing to kids does not equal mind numbing right? We don't necessarily need adult-pandering to make it entertaining for us.I'd like for this to appeal to kids again.
Plenty of kids still like MLP:FIM tho. There's nothing about how MLP is currently that doesn't appeal to kids. Unless you mean only appeal to kids by being as mind numbing as G3.5 was.
True enough. If you look at the kind of tv shows a lot of us grew up with, there were a lot of complex ideas involved in them which kids were expected to understand. I think LAW meant a line aimed at the kids and their interest rather than pandying to adult fans like G4 has occasionally with the bronies. MLP is fundamentally a toy for children. I agree that they ought to be the focus, so maybe Hasbro should be asking kids what they like and don't like about MLP.
if your read the concept material for the toys and media in the 80's you would see an understanding for that.
Shrek has adult nods and winks that would sail over younger kids heads, but teens and parents would smirk and cringe. I don't mind pop-culture references but there is such a thing as overdoing it. The message behind it was good however. Still adult pandering was unnecessary and I felt it cheapened the movie.
Shrek has adult nods and winks that would sail over younger kids heads, but teens and parents would smirk and cringe. I don't mind pop-culture references but there is such a thing as overdoing it. The message behind it was good however. Still adult pandering was unnecessary and I felt it cheapened the movie.
Except that Shrek was a parody and especially the first two played with Disney stereotypes and made fun of them. So the adult humor was intended to be in there all along.
I'd also like to know what you think about Disney's Aladdin in that case. Because that movie virtually started the pop culture reference trend and is still regarded as a great kids movie despite no kid gets that Genie is Rodney Dangerfield in that one scene. The genie didn't need to do these jokes, they were just in there for the adults of the early 90s and aged terribly. But since it was in there from the start it never bothered me personally.
Pop culture refs and adult jokes, especially pandering to a secondary fanbase were never part of MLP before FiM. Not even Tales that arguably took place in a human world had that.
So it bothers me in MLP and not in Shrek or Aladdin. I think one of the worst was when they wanted Twilight to look like Solid Snake so they wrote an entire episode around that outfit to justify it. Their idea was just "hey what if FiM had a crossover with Metal Gear Solid? It's a thing geeks know about so it's funny!" Stuff like that is simply ??? to me. The MGS joke returned in a later episode.
https://www.google.de/amp/s/kotaku.com/theres-metal-gear-solid-hiding-in-this-weeks-my-little-1705055248/amp
Now putting an exact copy of Toola Roola in an episode makes sense because it is MLP despite it being nothing more than a service to older fans/adults.
I did read your post and just wanted to point out that Shrek overdoing the referencing was part of what Shrek was supposed to be. Be a parody. Of course it's ok to dislike the amount of refs in there but it's probably not the best example in comparison with FiM because FiM is not an MLP parody.
No offense intended.
I also don't mind small pop culture refs for the parents and older siblings. I just think they should make sense for MLP.
A good example, imo, would be Rarity's Titanic dress in the boat episode. Rarity is the fashionista and known for wearing multiple dresses, so in one of the story versions she is wearing Rose's dress plus hat.
It works because to kids it's just Rarity having another diva moment but for older people who have seen Titanic it's this little "haha!" moment.
Now if they had put Rose and Jack ponies on a door in the background of the ocean my eyes would have rolled out of my skull :P
Taffeta hit it right on the head. That is precisely what I meant. Two examples.
My Neighbor Totoro is a touching, beautiful, heartfelt movie. We got to see the perspective of two kids who were enamored with their new home, nature and a touch of fantasy through the spirit world. There was a bright, simple joy in their interactions. We felt their sadness, hope, uncertainty and fear with their sick mother. It could deal with more mature themes without the proverbial: Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cringe, cringe.
Shrek has adult nods and winks that would sail over younger kids heads, but teens and parents would smirk and/or cringe. I don't mind pop-culture references but there is such a thing as overdoing it. The message behind it was good however. Still adult pandering was unnecessary and I felt it cheapened the movie.
Taffeta hit it right on the head. That is precisely what I meant. Two examples.
My Neighbor Totoro is a touching, beautiful, heartfelt movie. We got to see the perspective of two kids who were enamored with their new home, nature and a touch of fantasy through the spirit world. There was a bright, simple joy in their interactions. We felt their sadness, hope, uncertainty and fear with their sick mother. It could deal with more mature themes without the proverbial: Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cringe, cringe.
Shrek has adult nods and winks that would sail over younger kids heads, but teens and parents would smirk and/or cringe. I don't mind pop-culture references but there is such a thing as overdoing it. The message behind it was good however. Still adult pandering was unnecessary and I felt it cheapened the movie.
I totally agree with you here Law. I absolutely love Totoro and the depth of this film as well as, the celebration of childhood. I agree completely that MLP is for our young children. There is nothing wrong with liking it as an adult. Plenty of people adore Mickey Mouse and have for centuries. I have heard some pretty jaw dropping statements from the young children about the adult fans of G4. You would think they would miss it, but for the kids I have a lot of contact with...they find it almost frightening. It makes them uncomfortable and confuses them. I for one don't blame them for feeling that way. It has confused me too. I am not saying all kids respond this way, but several I know have. I am also not talking about all collectors and all fans of ponies. I am just talking about one particular group of fans that seem to freak my young relatives out quite a bit. So, don't take my post the wrong way. It is not an attack on anyone, just an observation of mine.
I have not taken a look at the spoiler content but, I am really hoping we are not staying with the same characters as that to me is a huge disappointment. Why can't we create something new with new characters? I really would like to see something all new and not just elements of the familiar with a tweek to the drawing to make it look slightly different. However, I may be in the minority opinion with that. As far as targeting an older audience this would be a huge mistake in my opinion. Why would they do that? Leaving young children behind and just creating a young adult and teen version of MLP would be so messed up-I am without words. :huh:
Re the mane 6, I'll reiterate what I said before. If hasbro reboot the franchise but keep the same pony cast entirely, it's not Gen 5, it's 4.5. We have the precedent of G3.5 for that...it's only a full new generation if the cast and the setting are both new and significantly different from previous releases. Thus far all I've seen is some potential concept art for something that looks like someone doodled G4 ponies in a different mould. Unless there's more to offer and most of the mane 6 will disappear, we're still in Gen 4.
When I see people here hating on bronies, I feel like I'm missing something. I don't see bronies hating on collectors, and I've never had bronies hate on me when I talk about things I liked in older gens.
When I see people here hating on bronies, I feel like I'm missing something. I don't see bronies hating on collectors, and I've never had bronies hate on me when I talk about things I liked in older gens. I wrote a fanfic with G1 ponies in it, and had a friend write one with G3 ponies inspired by it, and both got 95%+ upvotes on fimfiction. Besides, doesn't the popularity result in more for us to collect?
if you open the picture in another window it loads, but very very slowly. 4mB file and I presume the server is getting hammered with fetch requests. Lemme see if I can wrangle up a smaller one.
Edit: Click on the spoiler for a smaller version of the G5(?) concept leak #2.
sorry the image got wonky, you guys. the forum seemed to have censored the name of the site I had posted, too, for some reason
I'm sad that we're just getting the same faces we've been seeing for what'll be 9 years by the time FiM ends. I don't want any more revamped mane 6 in the toy aisle, when there's ao many other ponies that Hasbro could work with into the new main characters. Hundreds of ponies from every generation.
I also really like the second Rarity design. But I am also sad that it looks like we will be getting the same characters again. I've been afraid of that for some time. I'm afraid that from now on, these are the ponies that are always going to be the face of MLP.:( Oh well. At least I can focus on the gens closest to my heart, since Hasbro won't do anything new or interesting.
I also really like the second Rarity design. But I am also sad that it looks like we will be getting the same characters again. I've been afraid of that for some time. I'm afraid that from now on, these are the ponies that are always going to be the face of MLP.what a major missed opportunity, imo. It breaks my heart that we won't be seeing faces from gens 1-3 as the main cast of gen 5. I can already say that if these concept designs are finalized, I won't be eager to add to my collection anytime soon, especially with the same characters.
I looked at the rest of the stuff from this leak and while I really hope they don't just rehash the Mane 6 for G5 (kinda have a feeling that'll be the case since all of the leaked stuff continues with this), this Fluttershy in the leak is pretty cute:She's cute but I'm not a fan of her horn... it doesn't really seem to... fit
I looked at the rest of the stuff from this leak and while I really hope they don't just rehash the Mane 6 for G5 (kinda have a feeling that'll be the case since all of the leaked stuff continues with this), this Fluttershy in the leak is pretty cute:She's cute but I'm not a fan of her horn... it doesn't really seem to... fit
I think it's more of the color and style of the horn that bothers me XD But O do like elements from all 3 of those designsI looked at the rest of the stuff from this leak and while I really hope they don't just rehash the Mane 6 for G5 (kinda have a feeling that'll be the case since all of the leaked stuff continues with this), this Fluttershy in the leak is pretty cute:She's cute but I'm not a fan of her horn... it doesn't really seem to... fit
It is a tad too large. Longer horns are pretty but I think they can certainly shrink it down a little bit. I just really love the pose and facial expression here a lot (and the flowers in her hair). I want them to keep this artwork and just make it... not Fluttershy. :lol:
I looked at the rest of the stuff from this leak and while I really hope they don't just rehash the Mane 6 for G5 (kinda have a feeling that'll be the case since all of the leaked stuff continues with this), this Fluttershy in the leak is pretty cute:
And didn't the leak talk about an idea of AJ being a city girl born on the wrong side of the tracks? None of these concepts really imply that. With the traditional horse coloring and the braids in her mane and tail, she looks more like a 'farm pony' than ever.
As much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
As much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.I don't get it. For well over 30 years, Hasbro has always, ALWAYS switched up the ponies. MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1, g2 had a different cast, g3 had a different cast, and g4 has a semi-different cast. To outright keep the same characters that g4 had IS new for them, and I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
As much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.I don't get it. For well over 30 years, Hasbro has always, ALWAYS switched up the ponies. MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1, g2 had a different cast, g3 had a different cast, and g4 has a semi-different cast. To outright keep the same characters that g4 had IS new for them, and I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
When I see people here hating on bronies, I feel like I'm missing something. I don't see bronies hating on collectors, and I've never had bronies hate on me when I talk about things I liked in older gens. I wrote a fanfic with G1 ponies in it, and had a friend write one with G3 ponies inspired by it, and both got 95%+ upvotes on fimfiction. Besides, doesn't the popularity result in more for us to collect?
As much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.I don't get it. For well over 30 years, Hasbro has always, ALWAYS switched up the ponies. MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1, g2 had a different cast, g3 had a different cast, and g4 has a semi-different cast. To outright keep the same characters that g4 had IS new for them, and I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
@TaffetaAs much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.I don't get it. For well over 30 years, Hasbro has always, ALWAYS switched up the ponies. MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1, g2 had a different cast, g3 had a different cast, and g4 has a semi-different cast. To outright keep the same characters that g4 had IS new for them, and I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
please enlighten me on exactly what you mean when you say g2? Because g2 didnt have a cartoon. it is a very common mistake for those new to my little pony to refer to my little pony tales cartoon as g2 however...tales is part of g1. The generational tag for my little pony did not start until the toyline changed in 1997.
@TaffetaAs much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.I don't get it. For well over 30 years, Hasbro has always, ALWAYS switched up the ponies. MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1, g2 had a different cast, g3 had a different cast, and g4 has a semi-different cast. To outright keep the same characters that g4 had IS new for them, and I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
please enlighten me on exactly what you mean when you say g2? Because g2 didnt have a cartoon. it is a very common mistake for those new to my little pony to refer to my little pony tales cartoon as g2 however...tales is part of g1. The generational tag for my little pony did not start until the toyline changed in 1997.
I'm 31 and certainly not new to Mlp gens. I apologize if I wasn't clear in my last post. Beig so deeply immersed in g4's fandom now, at times, admittedly effects my thought process. I am well aware that generations follow the toylines, and I know g2 didn't have a cartoon to it. In fact, I am saddened by this to this day (and the lack of one for Takara ponies, which I also adore). But I digress.
My point was we got an interchangable cast of charas in the toyline more frequently, it seems to me, in past gens than in g4, where its the same 6 characters with new gimmicks just about every month, and no one else (mayble the other Princesses on a semi rarer instance), but that's it. Ponies like Big Macintosh, Photo Finish, Soaren, etc. Are few and far between. The main 6 ponies get 98% of the releases and clog the toy aisle with their variants.
again, apologies. Very wrong wordchoice there. Again, being around the folks of the newer gen when that's the fresher content you're getting by way of merch effects the thought process, in my case, and I may have had one thought in my head, but it didn't come out how I had typed it at the time of that post. As is often the case it seems. I never considered tales as g2, I assure you. (In fact, digging up some of my older posts on mlpforums in their past gen boards would inform you of that)@TaffetaAs much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.I don't get it. For well over 30 years, Hasbro has always, ALWAYS switched up the ponies. MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1, g2 had a different cast, g3 had a different cast, and g4 has a semi-different cast. To outright keep the same characters that g4 had IS new for them, and I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
please enlighten me on exactly what you mean when you say g2? Because g2 didnt have a cartoon. it is a very common mistake for those new to my little pony to refer to my little pony tales cartoon as g2 however...tales is part of g1. The generational tag for my little pony did not start until the toyline changed in 1997.
I'm 31 and certainly not new to Mlp gens. I apologize if I wasn't clear in my last post. Beig so deeply immersed in g4's fandom now, at times, admittedly effects my thought process. I am well aware that generations follow the toylines, and I know g2 didn't have a cartoon to it. In fact, I am saddened by this to this day (and the lack of one for Takara ponies, which I also adore). But I digress.
My point was we got an interchangable cast of charas in the toyline more frequently, it seems to me, in past gens than in g4, where its the same 6 characters with new gimmicks just about every month, and no one else (mayble the other Princesses on a semi rarer instance), but that's it. Ponies like Big Macintosh, Photo Finish, Soaren, etc. Are few and far between. The main 6 ponies get 98% of the releases and clog the toy aisle with their variants.
Hi, im 45 and forgive me but its probably that ive never seen a collector refer to ponies as cast so its why your post seems mostly cartoon centered, plus the red flag of refering to mlptales as g2. So one might naturally assume as you say that the poster is deeply immersed in g4....one cant assume age has anything to do with knowlege of brand history,etc.
@TaffetaAs much as most of us long time collectors dislike the whole concept of 6 ponies to rule them all, i do have a hard time seeing hasbro and the cartoon abandoning that right up front. Theyve invested way to much into the recognizable characters at this point to totally be bold and really change it.I don't get it. For well over 30 years, Hasbro has always, ALWAYS switched up the ponies. MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1, g2 had a different cast, g3 had a different cast, and g4 has a semi-different cast. To outright keep the same characters that g4 had IS new for them, and I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
As a toy collector its boring, but for a company its cheap and safe.
And if they are considering this change im thinking they want to try to inovate the toy line but they dont want to get to far away from what has been sucessful.
They're not exactly going bold...theyre changing it just enough to potentially pull in new fans while still keeping it close enough to FIM to keep the masses relatively happy.
please enlighten me on exactly what you mean when you say g2? Because g2 didnt have a cartoon. it is a very common mistake for those new to my little pony to refer to my little pony tales cartoon as g2 however...tales is part of g1. The generational tag for my little pony did not start until the toyline changed in 1997.
I'm 31 and certainly not new to Mlp gens. I apologize if I wasn't clear in my last post. Beig so deeply immersed in g4's fandom now, at times, admittedly effects my thought process. I am well aware that generations follow the toylines, and I know g2 didn't have a cartoon to it. In fact, I am saddened by this to this day (and the lack of one for Takara ponies, which I also adore). But I digress.
My point was we got an interchangable cast and line of charas in the toyline more frequently, it seems to me, in past gens than in g4, where its the same 6 characters with new gimmicks just about every month, and no one else (mayble the other Princesses on a semi rarer instance), but that's it. Ponies like Big Macintosh, Photo Finish, Soaren, etc. Are few and far between. The main 6 ponies get 98% of the releases and clog the toy aisle with their variants.
This didn't seem to be the case as much in previous gens, which provided more option in characters.
Could make things difficult for pony collectors in future genefations, to salvage in decent condition. Possibly.
And it's not like it has never happened, like with the flutter poniesCould make things difficult for pony collectors in future genefations, to salvage in decent condition. Possibly.
While it is true that 'collectors' want shinny new ponies, It is also a known entity that a collector will hold on to a favorite pony from childhood, even if said pony is ratty and overloved.
My Clipper's head became discolored and I was determined to get a new one. I found one at one of the collector Fair or either I found a new one on ebay (I forget which at this point). When I put the new clipper on the shelf and had the intent of removing the old one, but I couldn't do it.
Original Clipper has somehow managed to stay on the shelf anyway. I think it's the whole context of I am his original owner, he came directly from hasbro (as he is a mail order pony). He came to me, he's special, like most of my other G1's.
Being a collector isn't always about just having more stuff - it's something you can touch that connects you to who you are.
So, kids might tear up they're toys, or ponies may become damaged in the new line...but as a collector I'm not truly offended or bothered by that as much as some people might think.
And it's not like it has never happened, like with the flutter poniesCould make things difficult for pony collectors in future genefations, to salvage in decent condition. Possibly.
While it is true that 'collectors' want shinny new ponies, It is also a known entity that a collector will hold on to a favorite pony from childhood, even if said pony is ratty and overloved.
My Clipper's head became discolored and I was determined to get a new one. I found one at one of the collector Fair or either I found a new one on ebay (I forget which at this point). When I put the new clipper on the shelf and had the intent of removing the old one, but I couldn't do it.
Original Clipper has somehow managed to stay on the shelf anyway. I think it's the whole context of I am his original owner, he came directly from hasbro (as he is a mail order pony). He came to me, he's special, like most of my other G1's.
Being a collector isn't always about just having more stuff - it's something you can touch that connects you to who you are.
So, kids might tear up they're toys, or ponies may become damaged in the new line...but as a collector I'm not truly offended or bothered by that as much as some people might think.
oh, I am well aware of that.And it's not like it has never happened, like with the flutter poniesCould make things difficult for pony collectors in future genefations, to salvage in decent condition. Possibly.
While it is true that 'collectors' want shinny new ponies, It is also a known entity that a collector will hold on to a favorite pony from childhood, even if said pony is ratty and overloved.
My Clipper's head became discolored and I was determined to get a new one. I found one at one of the collector Fair or either I found a new one on ebay (I forget which at this point). When I put the new clipper on the shelf and had the intent of removing the old one, but I couldn't do it.
Original Clipper has somehow managed to stay on the shelf anyway. I think it's the whole context of I am his original owner, he came directly from hasbro (as he is a mail order pony). He came to me, he's special, like most of my other G1's.
Being a collector isn't always about just having more stuff - it's something you can touch that connects you to who you are.
So, kids might tear up they're toys, or ponies may become damaged in the new line...but as a collector I'm not truly offended or bothered by that as much as some people might think.
Ohh, now this one's interesting. #4 is my favourite (art style wise; design-wise I still think she looks too cluttered :p Less is more!) but it doesn't look like they'll go with that, gahhh...Spoilervisitors can't see pics , please register or login
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In this one it looks like they were throwing around some different style ideas. I adore the 1st row, but unfortunately it sounds like they plan to go with either style 9 or 10, which I personally think look the worst. At least they have snouts again?
MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1
Nightmare Muffin - I think this is the part of your post that's causing confusion:MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1
I'm guessing you meant "Tales had a different cast than MLP and Friends"? I admit I had to read it a few times before realizing what you meant, heh.
I've been following the leaks for a while now but haven't really said much about them so far. I'm hoping a lot will change before the settle on any designs, but honestly with the new wave of leaks it looks like they're pretty set on a few aspects of it.
Mostly, I'm really disappointed we aren't getting new characters. Like, at all. Changing the species of half the cast and not much else doesn't really count as a whole new generation imo. It's hardly even a reboot, the concept art really makes it look like they have pretty similar personalities to the ones they have now. I get why Hasbro want's a recognizable cast of characters, but with most of these "redesigns" what was the point of even touching the current ones? They're hardly different, I think this is more confusing to fans and kids alike than say, G3 and G4 Rainbow Dash. Even though they have similar colors, they're totally different characters.
As far as the new leak goes, I'm really fond of the art style in the second row of the most recent leaked image as well as the 3rd and 4th rows. I adore the new Applejack designs and furry feet across all of them! I found some interesting images that appear to be part of the leak on a less reputable pony site, but based on what we've seen so far they appear to match the current trends and I think they're probably legitimate. They bring up some more interesting concepts if they are real!Spoilervisitors can't see pics , please register or login
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In this one it looks like they were throwing around some different style ideas. I adore the 1st row, but unfortunately it sounds like they plan to go with either style 9 or 10, which I personally think look the worst. At least they have snouts again?
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I'm not a fan of the art style in this one, but it raises an interesting idea. Will magic no longer be limited to just unicorns? It looks like the earth ponies may have like, "magical girl" markings that allow them to use magic as well? I would love to see magic being used by all types of ponies honestly.
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There's nothing too new in this one. I just really adore the style this one is in and kind of wish the reboot could go with a less cutesy look and more more traditional, elegant, magical horse look!
I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
Kids are only 'into' ponies for a few years. (Even in the 80s, by the 4th grade most kids were growing out of toys like MLP and similar toys.)
The faucet of leaks just won't stop flowing!
Heres more designs to chew up,
Personally, I love the idea of Pinkie being a pegasus!
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In this one it looks like they were throwing around some different style ideas. I adore the 1st row, but unfortunately it sounds like they plan to go with either style 9 or 10, which I personally think look the worst. At least they have snouts again?
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I'm not a fan of the art style in this one, but it raises an interesting idea. Will magic no longer be limited to just unicorns? It looks like the earth ponies may have like, "magical girl" markings that allow them to use magic as well? I would love to see magic being used by all types of ponies honestly.
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There's nothing too new in this one. I just really adore the style this one is in and kind of wish the reboot could go with a less cutesy look and more more traditional, elegant, magical horse look!
Hoping not to derail the thread too much. On topic, regarding the gen 5 leaks, I wonder what body type the new gen molds will have. If they go with the lion tails for the unicorns that would be a nice change of pace, though I can see the kiddies breaking them off easily, due to their tought and more hands on play. Could make things difficult for pony collectors in future generations, to salvage in decent condition. Possibly.
I put together an Imgur album of all the new leaked designs (plus info for season 9, new movie, series, etc):This is very handy!
https://imgur.com/a/O4SAk
This leak certainly has a lot more leaked design content than the previous one did! Hopefully I got everything. But there's a ton more beyond the one image that has been posted here.
SpoilerTwilight looks very very weird without a horn. I don't think I could get used to her being an earth pony even if she still had magic.
I wish I had never seen the bad side its not that every brony is bad its more of the fact that nobody spoke up to the bad people the death threat rap the inappropriate material that shows on safe search the doxing of a teen girl the fact that the bad people got to interview the staff the homophobia that was so rampant that slurs were thrown like beads at marti gra the fact that there was a costume based on Hitler that won a prize at a brony convention the fact that even the brony fandom is considered to be the peak of worst behavior to other fandomsWhen I see people here hating on bronies, I feel like I'm missing something. I don't see bronies hating on collectors, and I've never had bronies hate on me when I talk about things I liked in older gens.
Looks like you got lucky, then. :x
Nightmare Muffin - I think this is the part of your post that's causing confusion:MLP N' Friends had a different cast than g1
I'm guessing you meant "Tales had a different cast than MLP and Friends"? I admit I had to read it a few times before realizing what you meant, heh.
Yep, that was the bit I was drawing attention to as well. Though I'm still confused by the response it generated. I mean, we all get stuff confused from time to time.
I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
Kids are only 'into' ponies for a few years. (Even in the 80s, by the 4th grade most kids were growing out of toys like MLP and similar toys.)
And yet, in the 1980s, Hasbro changed up the ponies to appeal to each set of kids, rather than forcing them to relive the same ponies as their predecessors. Though I disagree, a lot of the kids I knew growing up had ponies from age 3 or 4 and still played with them at age 10 or thereabouts. I was an exception, I never really let go, but most of the kids I knew stopped when they went to secondary school, and not really before.
In any case, I think personally it's more about the respect for the franchise for me. I don't want those six to be the eternal future of MLP forevermore. I want each generation to be new for each generation, even if I personally find them ugly. I don't want them to recycle my childhood for another kid :/ but most particularly, these six are especially unappealing because the market has already been (as nightmaremuffin said) flooded by them over and over and they shelf-sit.
Kids now don't want to buy them. The ponies that have vanished in stores here are the ones that aren't mane 6. Hasbro need a new mane 6 because these six are tired and old. And kids are not stupid. They want new, they don't want recycled old.
I put together an Imgur album of all the new leaked designs (plus info for season 9, new movie, series, etc):
https://imgur.com/a/O4SAk
This leak certainly has a lot more leaked design content than the previous one did! Hopefully I got everything. But there's a ton more beyond the one image that has been posted here.
I can understand why they wanted to make Twilight Sparkle an earth pony. Your main character is supposed to be someone viewers can relate to. It's hard to relate to a super-powered magical goddess of friendship, there's not a lot of places she can grow further. If they reboot and start her as an earth pony, they have a lot more exploration that can be done. I'm not saying she should get wings and a horn as the reboot series progresses, but they have a lot more options to work with.100% agree. It's far more relatable to kids to make her an earth pony, though I made a theory in which I speculated that an earth pony could be far more powerful than an alicorn (especially from what we've seen in g4 and how the alicorns are portrayed)
I can't see how thisis going to help their merch sales, when they've already done every gimmick under the sun for the mane6 of g4. switching some horns and wings around on the same characters, I can't see making a difference. No kid is going to want millions of copies of the same characters, with different gimmicks and parts.
Kids are only 'into' ponies for a few years. (Even in the 80s, by the 4th grade most kids were growing out of toys like MLP and similar toys.)
And yet, in the 1980s, Hasbro changed up the ponies to appeal to each set of kids, rather than forcing them to relive the same ponies as their predecessors. Though I disagree, a lot of the kids I knew growing up had ponies from age 3 or 4 and still played with them at age 10 or thereabouts. I was an exception, I never really let go, but most of the kids I knew stopped when they went to secondary school, and not really before.
In any case, I think personally it's more about the respect for the franchise for me. I don't want those six to be the eternal future of MLP forevermore. I want each generation to be new for each generation, even if I personally find them ugly. I don't want them to recycle my childhood for another kid :/ but most particularly, these six are especially unappealing because the market has already been (as nightmaremuffin said) flooded by them over and over and they shelf-sit.
Kids now don't want to buy them. The ponies that have vanished in stores here are the ones that aren't mane 6. Hasbro need a new mane 6 because these six are tired and old. And kids are not stupid. They want new, they don't want recycled old.
Kids unfortunately are different now. They are giving up toys and switching to electronic devices at younger and younger ages.
I still think it's not so much about the same characters as it is about the toys just looking the same. There's not much of an aesthetic difference between 4 and 4.5. And plenty of used G4s can be found on the second hand parents market. The new Equestria Girls dolls have been a hit despite being the same characters because they look nothing like the old ones. If these new ponies look nothing like the old ones despite being the same characters, they will sell well.
Spoiler-ish rant ahead.Applejack will forever be my favorite- she has barely changed since G1, and I'm good with that.SpoilerThat first line in the pic gives them more of a horse-like look, and I really like that. G4 took time to grow on me because of the designs, and the G4Movie designs are a step downward, in my opinion. They are breaching the uncanny valley, if not looking more like taller, candy-colored, slender pigs with upturned snouts.
Out of all of those designs, I am mostly not a fan of the change in the breeds of pony. Maybe even a little perturbed. They never gave a straight answer on how cutiemarks actually work, so naming a unicorn a name that more befits a flier is irritating. At the very least, if a pony is named and the talent accidentally fits the name, that's cool. I like that idea. That leads me to feel that it would be pretentious of Fluttershy's parents to name her something that describes a cutiemark that she hasn't gotten. It adds a whole new layer of confusion to what your special talent is in respect to your name and species. I really, really don't like that at all.
If I may~~~
Fluttershy seems like a really silly name to call a unicorn, regardless if she has butterflies on her rump. The name has more of a "flyer" ring to it, so stripping her of her wings is a bummer. I really like the idea that she was given a talent to communicate with creatures that was outside of what the show tagged as "magic", so it made her more special in general.
Pinkie being a pegasus annoys me more. Being that earth ponies have an innate magic in the current G4 show, it sets her apart from most earth ponies because of her story and growth- the magic to make people laugh. Same as Fluttershy, it made her more special as an earth pony. Making her anything else could make her completely insufferable because of her personality. Floating upside down having a manic episode or buzzing around like she is hyped on caffeine? No, thank you. We get enough of that from Rainbow Dash, and there are points where SHE even pushes that limit, and she's not the one who is designed to make people laugh.
Though, if Twilight Sparkle is losing her horn, I'd prefer her to be a different color entirely. Purple has always had "royal" connotations (Renaissance festivals and historical references FTW, yo), and if there is any reason to believe they will alicorn her again, that just wouldn't be a surprise. In that regard, Twilight being purple is rational, and is much more faithful to what the color signifies. At least with a purple unicorn the contributing factors make a little more sense. Her name also doesn't sound reasonable for a pony that doesn't have the power to actually sparkle- she has lost the "magic of friendship" so a name that sounds ethereal doesn't fit. Twilight Sparkle as a purple pony without any actual unicorn magic just doesn't suit her any more.
Kids unfortunately are different now. They are giving up toys and switching to electronic devices at younger and younger ages.
I still think it's not so much about the same characters as it is about the toys just looking the same. There's not much of an aesthetic difference between 4 and 4.5. And plenty of used G4s can be found on the second hand parents market. The new Equestria Girls dolls have been a hit despite being the same characters because they look nothing like the old ones. If these new ponies look nothing like the old ones despite being the same characters, they will sell well.
if you open the picture in another window it loads, but very very slowly. 4mB file and I presume the server is getting hammered with fetch requests. Lemme see if I can wrangle up a smaller one.
Edit: Click on the spoiler for a smaller version of the G5(?) concept leak #2.
What I find most interesting is what all these pieces have in common.SpoilerThe species are consistent across all of the pieces. This leads me to believe certain changes have been requested by the art team / director. Note that Twilight is an earth pony in every single one, Pinkie is a pegasus and Fluttershy changed into a unicorn. 6-7 concept artists don't all suddenly do exactly those changes at random. Also interesting is RD has *big* wings in every single one, while Pinkie has notably undersized/odd wings. Every Applejack has 'natural horse' markings. All the Twilights have fluffy fetlocks, and every pony features distinct hooves unlike G4. Also every single piece here is huge, and someone's gone to a fair bit of trouble sizing and arranging them all. If I had to guess, for a presentation.
Spoiler-ish rant ahead.Applejack will forever be my favorite- she has barely changed since G1, and I'm good with that.SpoilerThat first line in the pic gives them more of a horse-like look, and I really like that. G4 took time to grow on me because of the designs, and the G4Movie designs are a step downward, in my opinion. They are breaching the uncanny valley, if not looking more like taller, candy-colored, slender pigs with upturned snouts.
Out of all of those designs, I am mostly not a fan of the change in the breeds of pony. Maybe even a little perturbed. They never gave a straight answer on how cutiemarks actually work, so naming a unicorn a name that more befits a flier is irritating. At the very least, if a pony is named and the talent accidentally fits the name, that's cool. I like that idea. That leads me to feel that it would be pretentious of Fluttershy's parents to name her something that describes a cutiemark that she hasn't gotten. It adds a whole new layer of confusion to what your special talent is in respect to your name and species. I really, really don't like that at all.
If I may~~~
Fluttershy seems like a really silly name to call a unicorn, regardless if she has butterflies on her rump. The name has more of a "flyer" ring to it, so stripping her of her wings is a bummer. I really like the idea that she was given a talent to communicate with creatures that was outside of what the show tagged as "magic", so it made her more special in general.
Pinkie being a pegasus annoys me more. Being that earth ponies have an innate magic in the current G4 show, it sets her apart from most earth ponies because of her story and growth- the magic to make people laugh. Same as Fluttershy, it made her more special as an earth pony. Making her anything else could make her completely insufferable because of her personality. Floating upside down having a manic episode or buzzing around like she is hyped on caffeine? No, thank you. We get enough of that from Rainbow Dash, and there are points where SHE even pushes that limit, and she's not the one who is designed to make people laugh.
Though, if Twilight Sparkle is losing her horn, I'd prefer her to be a different color entirely. Purple has always had "royal" connotations (Renaissance festivals and historical references FTW, yo), and if there is any reason to believe they will alicorn her again, that just wouldn't be a surprise. In that regard, Twilight being purple is rational, and is much more faithful to what the color signifies. At least with a purple unicorn the contributing factors make a little more sense. Her name also doesn't sound reasonable for a pony that doesn't have the power to actually sparkle- she has lost the "magic of friendship" so a name that sounds ethereal doesn't fit. Twilight Sparkle as a purple pony without any actual unicorn magic just doesn't suit her any more.
1) Yay for horsey designs!
2) This is not the first time ponies have changed species. Fluttershy was originally a pink Earth Pony. Twilight Sparkle's predecessor was originally a purple Earth pony named Twilight Twinkle. If you look her up, you'll see that Sparkle is nearly a dead ringer for Twinkle. Purple being a royal color means zip, zero, zilch in every generation of MLP. If the G3 kids can get over the species swap, so can others.
3) Maybe they're going back to the way the old symbols were. They're just there. Cutie mark=destiny was a dumb, rigid premise to introduce so late into the franchise anyway impo.
4) There are lots of ponies whose name would fit a different species. Skyflier would better suit a Pegasus, Flutter or Winger, but she's a unicorn and that's fine.
Wave Runner would better suit a sea pony or merpony, but she's a pegasus. And so on and so on.
Spoiler-ish rant ahead.how do we know that they're keeping their g4 names, though? And isn't this all nothing but concept art, anyway? The MLP movie concept art looked nothing like the finished product. Just sayin'. Maybe your rant is a little too soon?Applejack will forever be my favorite- she has barely changed since G1, and I'm good with that.SpoilerThat first line in the pic gives them more of a horse-like look, and I really like that. G4 took time to grow on me because of the designs, and the G4Movie designs are a step downward, in my opinion. They are breaching the uncanny valley, if not looking more like taller, candy-colored, slender pigs with upturned snouts.
Out of all of those designs, I am mostly not a fan of the change in the breeds of pony. Maybe even a little perturbed. They never gave a straight answer on how cutiemarks actually work, so naming a unicorn a name that more befits a flier is irritating. At the very least, if a pony is named and the talent accidentally fits the name, that's cool. I like that idea. That leads me to feel that it would be pretentious of Fluttershy's parents to name her something that describes a cutiemark that she hasn't gotten. It adds a whole new layer of confusion to what your special talent is in respect to your name and species. I really, really don't like that at all.
If I may~~~
Fluttershy seems like a really silly name to call a unicorn, regardless if she has butterflies on her rump. The name has more of a "flyer" ring to it, so stripping her of her wings is a bummer. I really like the idea that she was given a talent to communicate with creatures that was outside of what the show tagged as "magic", so it made her more special in general.
Pinkie being a pegasus annoys me more. Being that earth ponies have an innate magic in the current G4 show, it sets her apart from most earth ponies because of her story and growth- the magic to make people laugh. Same as Fluttershy, it made her more special as an earth pony. Making her anything else could make her completely insufferable because of her personality. Floating upside down having a manic episode or buzzing around like she is hyped on caffeine? No, thank you. We get enough of that from Rainbow Dash, and there are points where SHE even pushes that limit, and she's not the one who is designed to make people laugh.
Though, if Twilight Sparkle is losing her horn, I'd prefer her to be a different color entirely. Purple has always had "royal" connotations (Renaissance festivals and historical references FTW, yo), and if there is any reason to believe they will alicorn her again, that just wouldn't be a surprise. In that regard, Twilight being purple is rational, and is much more faithful to what the color signifies. At least with a purple unicorn the contributing factors make a little more sense. Her name also doesn't sound reasonable for a pony that doesn't have the power to actually sparkle- she has lost the "magic of friendship" so a name that sounds ethereal doesn't fit. Twilight Sparkle as a purple pony without any actual unicorn magic just doesn't suit her any more.
As a writer, I want to let out a blood curdling scream from the highest mountain at this opinion and call it insults that could border on inappropriate. I will instead point out why this is wrong.I can understand why they wanted to make Twilight Sparkle an earth pony. Your main character is supposed to be someone viewers can relate to. It's hard to relate to a super-powered magical goddess of friendship, there's not a lot of places she can grow further. If they reboot and start her as an earth pony, they have a lot more exploration that can be done. I'm not saying she should get wings and a horn as the reboot series progresses, but they have a lot more options to work with.100% agree. It's far more relatable to kids to make her an earth pony, though I made a theory in which I speculated that an earth pony could be far more powerful than an alicorn (especially from what we've seen in g4 and how the alicorns are portrayed)
http://sayastarr.tumblr.com/post/169510591272/mlp-g5-alicorn-ascending-to-earth-pony-would-be
Wow I am in LOVE with the ones in row 4. They are very sleek and cartoony but still more unique and dynamic than the original row 1.
The only ones I do not like at all are last row and the ones that keep the stubby snouts.
Fluttershy as a unicorn seemed odd to me at first; if anything I would've thought they'd switch her to being an Earth pony, which she was origianlly slated to be since she was inspired by Posey.
But then I thought about the concept of a unicorn as a protector and keeper of a forest (like in The Last Unicorn or D&D) and I thought, "Oh yeah, that would actually fit her very well."
And I'm very happy the leaked art has 2 pegasi, 2 earth ponies, 2 unicorns . . . I am a big fan of having 'balanced' sets. I didn't like it when Twilight Sparkle became an alicorn because suddenly there was only one unicorn in the group, lol.
Fluttershy as a unicorn seemed odd to me at first; if anything I would've thought they'd switch her to being an Earth pony, which she was origianlly slated to be since she was inspired by Posey.
But then I thought about the concept of a unicorn as a protector and keeper of a forest (like in The Last Unicorn or D&D) and I thought, "Oh yeah, that would actually fit her very well."
And I'm very happy the leaked art has 2 pegasi, 2 earth ponies, 2 unicorns . . . I am a big fan of having 'balanced' sets. I didn't like it when Twilight Sparkle became an alicorn because suddenly there was only one unicorn in the group, lol.
That's a wonderful point.
for the record, I know reliability doesn't come from one's looks. Hell, I relate strongly with Fluttershy, a flying horse, because I'm struggling with shyness and being assertive, even though I've made baby step progress. So I know looks aren't all that matter when it comes to being a character kids can relate to. But starting Twilight off without any inherent powers at first glance, being an earth pony, (as one would assume, since the earth pony race in prior gens, didn't have any outstanding powers) would be a fresh start, wiping the slate clean on the path to reliability, as many people often DO feel like they have nothing, and are powerless in life, while other people (or unicorns, or pegasi) have more talent than they do, or more options or privileges in life than they do.As a writer, I want to let out a blood curdling scream from the highest mountain at this opinion and call it insults that could border on inappropriate. I will instead point out why this is wrong.I can understand why they wanted to make Twilight Sparkle an earth pony. Your main character is supposed to be someone viewers can relate to. It's hard to relate to a super-powered magical goddess of friendship, there's not a lot of places she can grow further. If they reboot and start her as an earth pony, they have a lot more exploration that can be done. I'm not saying she should get wings and a horn as the reboot series progresses, but they have a lot more options to work with.100% agree. It's far more relatable to kids to make her an earth pony, though I made a theory in which I speculated that an earth pony could be far more powerful than an alicorn (especially from what we've seen in g4 and how the alicorns are portrayed)
http://sayastarr.tumblr.com/post/169510591272/mlp-g5-alicorn-ascending-to-earth-pony-would-be
"Relatable" is the worst word in writing, destroying far too many good ideas and letting far too many mediocre ideas skate by. Relating to the audience is supposed to come from the personality of the characters, people we can understand how and why they feel they do. However, making them plain vanilla is taking the concept too far yet a mistake far too many people make. It comes from people who are really not that into fiction but just don't know it.
What's been the most successful in fiction since the inception of fiction has been characters who are human in their personalities but superhuman in their abilities. The first face of the Hero With a Thousand Faces was arguably Gilgamesh who was a king and demigod, but his friendship with Enkidu and motivations in his actions (despite being beyond anything a human could possibly do) were something that connected with audiences. Look at how well the Marvel movies are doing with a pantheon of superheroes who are superhuman in their abilities but human in their personalities. Less obvious examples are characters who are particularly clever or generally intelligent and must use their wits to overcome their foe. We love characters in positions of authority where their decisions not only affect them but others. Whatever the case, we love characters who are human but have something that makes them stand above the rest.
Part of fiction is wish fulfillment. We wish we had superhuman abilities or some awesome skill or position of authority. By entering these stories, we can live it vicariously. Their larger than life adventures help us give context to our own challenges.
And that's where Twilight Sparkle has failed. Making her an alicorn princess is not what destroyed her character. Writing her terribly is what destroyed her character. Making her an earth pony won't change that. If she can't make a decision that trading someone else away like property is bad, she's a terrible character.
Personally, I would like to see a pegasus main character. Unicorns are mostly in the same setting as earth ponies with some magic. A pegasus has the sky at her disposal, and I love stories that are set mainly in the air (or under the sea or in space or in extreme exotic climates, or anywhere but rural farmland).
You have a very low view on people's belief in their capability. The problem isn't starting with nothing, the problem is taking the something you do have (which probably isn't much but still something) and making it work for you.
And why make Twilight Sparkle the main character again? She was pathetic from the get go.
You have a very low view on people's belief in their capability.
As a writer, I want to let out a blood curdling scream from the highest mountain at this opinion and call it insults that could border on inappropriate. I will instead point out why this is wrong.I can understand why they wanted to make Twilight Sparkle an earth pony. Your main character is supposed to be someone viewers can relate to. It's hard to relate to a super-powered magical goddess of friendship, there's not a lot of places she can grow further. If they reboot and start her as an earth pony, they have a lot more exploration that can be done. I'm not saying she should get wings and a horn as the reboot series progresses, but they have a lot more options to work with.100% agree. It's far more relatable to kids to make her an earth pony, though I made a theory in which I speculated that an earth pony could be far more powerful than an alicorn (especially from what we've seen in g4 and how the alicorns are portrayed)
http://sayastarr.tumblr.com/post/169510591272/mlp-g5-alicorn-ascending-to-earth-pony-would-be
In regards to gender, I'd love more male main characters. I know we wouldn't see a male member of the Mane 6, but some more prominent male side characters would be good. And usually in G4 background scenes it always feels to me like there's 2/3 female ponies and 1/3 male ponies.
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In this one it looks like they were throwing around some different style ideas. I adore the 1st row, but unfortunately it sounds like they plan to go with either style 9 or 10, which I personally think look the worst. At least they have snouts again?
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I'm not a fan of the art style in this one, but it raises an interesting idea. Will magic no longer be limited to just unicorns? It looks like the earth ponies may have like, "magical girl" markings that allow them to use magic as well? I would love to see magic being used by all types of ponies honestly.
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There's nothing too new in this one. I just really adore the style this one is in and kind of wish the reboot could go with a less cutesy look and more more traditional, elegant, magical horse look!
Thank you, Bekuno.I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a male main 6 character. I think it's long overdue, in fact, since every generation's main leads have been females. In fact, they could do it like the semi-new anime "Cafe Stile", where one of the main characters is actually a trap, and everyone just thinks he's a girl. Nice little surprise twist.
One of the pieces of information in the leaked info that interested me is the line in the Q&A page that said "Will the new cast reflect diversity/culture/ethnicity/race/gender/etc.?" and Meghan replies "Yes ;) "
I love this idea! I really think it's important to have a diverse cast, especially with a toyline's flagship brand. Of course we're still in the early stages, but I wonder who they are looking to add to the cast in this regard. We know Meghan would like an African American voice actress for Applejack, and I think I read that they're considering a British accent for Rarity? That doesn't necessarily mean hiring a British actress, though, since a lot of people can do a British accent. XD
In regards to gender, I'd love more male main characters. I know we wouldn't see a male member of the Mane 6, but some more prominent male side characters would be good. And usually in G4 background scenes it always feels to me like there's 2/3 female ponies and 1/3 male ponies. (Which reminds me, we haven't seen a single concept of Spike so far! Could this be the first gen without a dragon sidekick, or are they waiting to hammer down the Mane 6 designs before they move on to Spike?)
In fact, they could do it like the semi-new anime "Cafe Stile", where one of the main characters is actually a trap, and everyone just thinks he's a girl. Nice little surprise twist.
Spoiler-ish rant ahead.how do we know that they're keeping their g4 names, though? And isn't this all nothing but concept art, anyway? The MLP movie concept art looked nothing like the finished product. Just sayin'. Maybe your rant is a little too soon?Applejack will forever be my favorite- she has barely changed since G1, and I'm good with that.SpoilerThat first line in the pic gives them more of a horse-like look, and I really like that. G4 took time to grow on me because of the designs, and the G4Movie designs are a step downward, in my opinion. They are breaching the uncanny valley, if not looking more like taller, candy-colored, slender pigs with upturned snouts.
Out of all of those designs, I am mostly not a fan of the change in the breeds of pony. Maybe even a little perturbed. They never gave a straight answer on how cutiemarks actually work, so naming a unicorn a name that more befits a flier is irritating. At the very least, if a pony is named and the talent accidentally fits the name, that's cool. I like that idea. That leads me to feel that it would be pretentious of Fluttershy's parents to name her something that describes a cutiemark that she hasn't gotten. It adds a whole new layer of confusion to what your special talent is in respect to your name and species. I really, really don't like that at all.
If I may~~~
Fluttershy seems like a really silly name to call a unicorn, regardless if she has butterflies on her rump. The name has more of a "flyer" ring to it, so stripping her of her wings is a bummer. I really like the idea that she was given a talent to communicate with creatures that was outside of what the show tagged as "magic", so it made her more special in general.
Pinkie being a pegasus annoys me more. Being that earth ponies have an innate magic in the current G4 show, it sets her apart from most earth ponies because of her story and growth- the magic to make people laugh. Same as Fluttershy, it made her more special as an earth pony. Making her anything else could make her completely insufferable because of her personality. Floating upside down having a manic episode or buzzing around like she is hyped on caffeine? No, thank you. We get enough of that from Rainbow Dash, and there are points where SHE even pushes that limit, and she's not the one who is designed to make people laugh.
Though, if Twilight Sparkle is losing her horn, I'd prefer her to be a different color entirely. Purple has always had "royal" connotations (Renaissance festivals and historical references FTW, yo), and if there is any reason to believe they will alicorn her again, that just wouldn't be a surprise. In that regard, Twilight being purple is rational, and is much more faithful to what the color signifies. At least with a purple unicorn the contributing factors make a little more sense. Her name also doesn't sound reasonable for a pony that doesn't have the power to actually sparkle- she has lost the "magic of friendship" so a name that sounds ethereal doesn't fit. Twilight Sparkle as a purple pony without any actual unicorn magic just doesn't suit her any more.
One of the pieces of information in the leaked info that interested me is the line in the Q&A page that said "Will the new cast reflect diversity/culture/ethnicity/race/gender/etc.?" and Meghan replies "Yes ;) "
I love this idea! I really think it's important to have a diverse cast, especially with a toyline's flagship brand. Of course we're still in the early stages, but I wonder who they are looking to add to the cast in this regard. We know Meghan would like an African American voice actress for Applejack, and I think I read that they're considering a British accent for Rarity? That doesn't necessarily mean hiring a British actress, though, since a lot of people can do a British accent.
I don't see why a male main character would need a 'gimmick' (for lack of a better word). It'd just be nice to have a main male character, is all.
(not that there's anything wrong with girly dudes, I love 'em, but you get what I mean)
(edit: not that girly dudes are "gimmicky", I meant I didn't see why a potential male character "needed" to have a hook like that. If that makes sense, blah. Words. I fail at wording stuff.)
I still don't like the idea of using the more "traditional" unicorn design. If you were making toys of something exclusively unicorns, sure, knock yourselves out. However, when put together with earth ponies and pegasi, they look too alien in comparison. Especially the split hooves. It would be like having about a third of your population having six fingers and toes for no good reason but them having a different number of fingers.
SpoilerThe art for AJ is really pretty.
Also, with them casting Tiffany Haddish as AJ...Another thing I read in that other nameless site was they hope to use celebrities for the main cast in the 2020 movie that will launch the new generation. However, the tv series won't use the same voice talent, but "sound alikes". Which sounds really...cheap, lol.This is what they did with the third season of the Transformers (and to a lesser extent My Little Pony 'n Friends). They got big name talent for the movie, and then had in house talent voice them in the series. Galvatron was still voiced by Frank Welker in the series (only now sounding like a crazed/constantly enraged Ray Stantz from the Real Ghostbusters).
I also spent a good number of hours at that other site reading the thread these leaks came out in. Regarding the whole "Rarity = British" thing, I believe that was DHX summarizing the voice for current, FIM Rarity, not the new one in this future iteration. Which, honestly, may be even worse, because it's a Transatlantic accent, not British. You'd think they would know how to describe it correctly, but I guess it just happens to be as simple as refined = British?
I also spent a good number of hours at that other site reading the thread these leaks came out in. Regarding the whole "Rarity = British" thing, I believe that was DHX summarizing the voice for current, FIM Rarity, not the new one in this future iteration. Which, honestly, may be even worse, because it's a Transatlantic accent, not British. You'd think they would know how to describe it correctly, but I guess it just happens to be as simple as refined = British?
That makes it even worse. It's like even the people making the show can't tell the difference *rolls eyes*. Although there isn't such a thing as a British accent anyway. A few scouse and brummie ponies would upset the applecart a bit. Or maybe a geordie or two. That would definitely shake it up. I think Rainbow Dash would make a good geordie ;)
Not a fan of the stereotypes of British stuff in US media. But I guess that probably goes both ways.
I also spent a good number of hours at that other site reading the thread these leaks came out in. Regarding the whole "Rarity = British" thing, I believe that was DHX summarizing the voice for current, FIM Rarity, not the new one in this future iteration. Which, honestly, may be even worse, because it's a Transatlantic accent, not British. You'd think they would know how to describe it correctly, but I guess it just happens to be as simple as refined = British?
That makes it even worse. It's like even the people making the show can't tell the difference *rolls eyes*. Although there isn't such a thing as a British accent anyway. A few scouse and brummie ponies would upset the applecart a bit. Or maybe a geordie or two. That would definitely shake it up. I think Rainbow Dash would make a good geordie ;)
Not a fan of the stereotypes of British stuff in US media. But I guess that probably goes both ways.
I would definitely be up for scouse, geordie and brummie ponies! :D (There really should be more brummie characters in cartoons overall, I absolutely love that accent!)
I also spent a good number of hours at that other site reading the thread these leaks came out in. Regarding the whole "Rarity = British" thing, I believe that was DHX summarizing the voice for current, FIM Rarity, not the new one in this future iteration. Which, honestly, may be even worse, because it's a Transatlantic accent, not British. You'd think they would know how to describe it correctly, but I guess it just happens to be as simple as refined = British?
That makes it even worse. It's like even the people making the show can't tell the difference *rolls eyes*. Although there isn't such a thing as a British accent anyway. A few scouse and brummie ponies would upset the applecart a bit. Or maybe a geordie or two. That would definitely shake it up. I think Rainbow Dash would make a good geordie ;)
Not a fan of the stereotypes of British stuff in US media. But I guess that probably goes both ways.
So I guess it won't happen any time soon...British accent seems to = posh and villainous or working class Dick van Dyke mutations :/
That sounds about right.So I guess it won't happen any time soon...British accent seems to = posh and villainous or working class Dick van Dyke mutations :/
Try being American and southern... :silly:
Southern accent usually means you're the idiot on whatever TV show/cartoon/movie/entertainment.
Even MLP has it's examples of it.
That sounds about right.So I guess it won't happen any time soon...British accent seems to = posh and villainous or working class Dick van Dyke mutations :/
Try being American and southern... :silly:
Southern accent usually means you're the idiot on whatever TV show/cartoon/movie/entertainment.
Even MLP has it's examples of it.
I thought the world looked a bit empty because they rarely used even symbols after the first season. And the "text" we did see was just badly mangled Latin letters. I'm one of those people who loves a world that has those fun little details in it like a fire extinguisher in the corner or speakers can be seen in the ceiling. Having a fantastic alphabet scrawled across store windows or on signs would have been awesome.
That sounds about right.So I guess it won't happen any time soon...British accent seems to = posh and villainous or working class Dick van Dyke mutations :/
Try being American and southern... :silly:
Southern accent usually means you're the idiot on whatever TV show/cartoon/movie/entertainment.
Even MLP has it's examples of it.
Eeyup!
So I'm going to be the Japanese mediaeval geek now, but dragon horses (ryuuma) come up occasionally in the stuff I read about too. And the word in Japanese is literally the kanji for dragon and the one for horse, but both have significant mythical properties and connections to the folk religions and even Buddhist stuff in old Japan, so nobody's all that bothered by 'dragon horse' as a translation.
People are too obsessed with the classical world of the West. To me discord looks a lot more like he's got art influences from asian dragons rather than from the western dragon anyway, so maybe they should be calling him a ryuuma instead, if they want to be really on point. Or whatever the chinese reading is of those characters.
Seriously, people are semantically idiotic when it comes to finding ways to divide fandoms. But the next time they get their pants in a twist over it, tell them that.
There are words that get translated out wrong between dubs of things. I mean, I am still mad at a series I love where onmyouji was translated as a sorcerer, and sorcerer has other connitations, but onmyouji is a yin yang practitioner who exorcises evil spirits, makes predictions based on various different elemental and astrological stuff and really isn't a sorcerer. But dragonequus and dragon horse and dragon pony are not that different as to justify being insulted.
Well some of those designs are pretty horsey. I'm conflicted because some of the ones I like the most also loose the stylized legs/hooves traditional to MLP. But I think I could live with it.
I've just noticed the Spirit toys in the isles recently. I don't know how popular the show/toys are. But I'd love to think that Hasbro might notice and turn MLP back towards its roots because of it.
I've just noticed the Spirit toys in the isles recently. I don't know how popular the show/toys are. But I'd love to think that Hasbro might notice and turn MLP back towards its roots because of it.
I've just noticed the Spirit toys in the isles recently. I don't know how popular the show/toys are. But I'd love to think that Hasbro might notice and turn MLP back towards its roots because of it.
What qualities of the Spirit toys were you hoping to see reflected in the MLP's? I think the Spirit toys are neat! The larger toys are really detailed. They look more like Breyers than MLP's (resin mane/tails, no articulation) but the paint jobs are just awesome. And the girl dolls are all different heights and shapes, which is cool. There's even a blind box series, which surprised me because I didn't think the show was that popular. Usually they break out the blind boxes for the big hits.
I like the toys, but...the show just makes me cringe. It's like... "Here's ALL the cliches about girls and horses! You like this stuff, right, kids?" And the lack of depth of any of the episodes makes me feel like I'm watching cartoons from decades ago, not ones made in the past two years. Also they take lazy animation shortcuts. (For example, the white pattern on the paint horses? Yeah, it's the same pattern on EVERY paint horse in the show. At one point there's three paint horses on the screen at once and you can clearly see they all have white patches in the same exact places. My friends and I were laughing so hard XD )
That being said, it's harmless fun and I don't think it's a 'bad' show, I'm just sad it's not better. In addition to the show and the toys, there's a chapter book series I've seen at the bookstore. And I think I've seen one or two girl's T-shirts with Spirit characters. I think that's about it for merchandise.
Hard to say if this counts as a very popular show, though I do wonder. It's Netflix-only, so it has a limited audience. And Dreamworks has enough money to throw into some merchandising to hope to fan the flames of the show popularity.
I've just noticed the Spirit toys in the isles recently. I don't know how popular the show/toys are. But I'd love to think that Hasbro might notice and turn MLP back towards its roots because of it.
What qualities of the Spirit toys were you hoping to see reflected in the MLP's? I think the Spirit toys are neat! The larger toys are really detailed. They look more like Breyers than MLP's (resin mane/tails, no articulation) but the paint jobs are just awesome.
I like the toys, but...the show just makes me cringe. It's like... "Here's ALL the cliches about girls and horses! You like this stuff, right, kids?"
I haven’t read everything in the spoiler tags but will we see any of the new charecters from the movie in Season 8?
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I haven’t read everything in the spoiler tags but will we see any of the new charecters from the movie in Season 8?
Ponyfan
As far as I'm aware, no.
We do see Mount Aris/Seaequestria again though, and they do clearly reference events from the movie.
So it is officially canon.
I've just noticed the Spirit toys in the isles recently. I don't know how popular the show/toys are. But I'd love to think that Hasbro might notice and turn MLP back towards its roots because of it.
What qualities of the Spirit toys were you hoping to see reflected in the MLP's? I think the Spirit toys are neat! The larger toys are really detailed. They look more like Breyers than MLP's (resin mane/tails, no articulation) but the paint jobs are just awesome. And the girl dolls are all different heights and shapes, which is cool. There's even a blind box series, which surprised me because I didn't think the show was that popular. Usually they break out the blind boxes for the big hits.
I like the toys, but...the show just makes me cringe. It's like... "Here's ALL the cliches about girls and horses! You like this stuff, right, kids?" And the lack of depth of any of the episodes makes me feel like I'm watching cartoons from decades ago, not ones made in the past two years. Also they take lazy animation shortcuts. (For example, the white pattern on the paint horses? Yeah, it's the same pattern on EVERY paint horse in the show. At one point there's three paint horses on the screen at once and you can clearly see they all have white patches in the same exact places. My friends and I were laughing so hard XD )
That being said, it's harmless fun and I don't think it's a 'bad' show, I'm just sad it's not better. In addition to the show and the toys, there's a chapter book series I've seen at the bookstore. And I think I've seen one or two girl's T-shirts with Spirit characters. I think that's about it for merchandise.
Hard to say if this counts as a very popular show, though I do wonder. It's Netflix-only, so it has a limited audience. And Dreamworks has enough money to throw into some merchandising to hope to fan the flames of the show popularity.
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I don't understand why Hasbro won't do with MLP what it does with Transformers...
I was talking with my friend about Hasbro in general. None of their toys are of very good quality or innovative anymore. The company has become indolent, controlling so many properties that they believe they don't care anymore. They're perfectly fine following trends and profiting off that than setting trends and taking control of the market. The market will be handed them as far as they're concerned.
And we're seeing that in this leaked info. The Mane 6 are popular (though I don't know if they really are popular since no other ponies have been allowed to compete with them). So, they'll keep with them. They're unwilling to take the risk and develop new characters. Sadly, because Hasbro has strangle hold on brushable ponies, so there is no threat to this strategy to force them to consider.
Dream Beauties look like they're about to jump off a cliff, because they gave them 'actual horse' faces, and horses don't smile.
Dream Beauties were probably meant to compete with fashion star fillies and fantasy fillies.
Arielle is gorgeous! She reminds me of a tropical sunrise.
Well, your idea is definitely worth a shot.
Not neccesarily Baby Sugarberry. As far as I can tell, there isn't any mention of any of the four adult toys being a parent of any of the 8 baby merponies.
Not neccesarily Baby Sugarberry. As far as I can tell, there isn't any mention of any of the four adult toys being a parent of any of the 8 baby merponies.
Still doesn't seem likely to me that they'll release baby ponies outside of things like Flitterheart (sp?), given what we've seen for the G4 run.
It's nice to know I'm not that crazy. :silly:
It's nice to know I'm not that crazy. :silly:
I said your hopes. I didn't say anything about you specifically ;););)
Boulder Media has posted that they are seeking for animators to work on a CG movie for a "well-known" Hasbro franchise. It's possible that this will be the studio making the G5 movie, although not certain.
This was posted on the Boulder Media Twitter:
They lost me at “CG”. I hope so hard it’s not MLP. They’ve done just fine without going the CG route. If it is, I’m fully done with ponies.If nothing changes from the leaked emails and such, the movie prequel to the G5 series will be in CG, sadly.
Boulder Media is going to produce Transformers: Cyberverse, so it could also be for that series.
As other have said, CG doesn't necessarily mean 'CGI like Pixar'. If you look at the promo images for Cyberverse, they look 2-D. But they are computer generated, rather than cel-animated. In that sense they are "CG."
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I... completely missed this during my absence. I've skimmed through but honestly I'm having a hard time finding everything in this thread and figuring our what is real or not. I don't suppose anyone has a collection of all leaked G5 materials they could put in one place and post or PM me?
I... completely missed this during my absence. I've skimmed through but honestly I'm having a hard time finding everything in this thread and figuring our what is real or not. I don't suppose anyone has a collection of all leaked G5 materials they could put in one place and post or PM me?
I'm not sure if what I've been able to find is actually the concept art or not, but I'm wondering whether the current generation actually will end in 2019. It may be that it's their plan right now, but they might change it later if the current series is still doing well enough; originally they had planned to end the series with season 3 and the first Equestria girls movie, but they changed their plans because the series was still doing well and ended up rewriting the episode at the last minute.
I'm not sure if what I've been able to find is actually the concept art or not, but I'm wondering whether the current generation actually will end in 2019. It may be that it's their plan right now, but they might change it later if the current series is still doing well enough;It takes so long to make a new episode, and it looks like they've already went through with the plan to make a new movie with Boulder, so it's very likely that this is what they're going to go with.
No mane 6 and no more forced brainwashing to make friends with everyone or else. That's really all I ask for from G5...
Me too. Frankly, if they want to create a stable of established characters, they can do better than these six. There are far more appealing designs in the pony pantheon than these over-saturated eyesores. G3 Pinkie Pie is much more pleasing to the eye than Pepto G4 Pinkie. Starshine's white coat still goes best with a vibrant rainbow mane and tail, in my opinion. Wind Whistler is the very definition of a pastel pony with her combination of blue and pink. Fizzy and G3 Minty are an interesting diversion from the norm with a combination of green and pink. Movie Star Shady has the beautiful vibrant shade of pink coat and yellow hair. Glory is superior to G4 Rarity because she adds the dimension of that streak of bright blue in her mane (really wish they had added that because it makes for such a cool look). Out of the literally thousands of ponies Hasbro has created over three and a half decades, the Mane 6 are far from the top of their best designs. They're only popular because they're current in the age of the internet and have attracted a (now even more dubious) peripheral fan base.No mane 6 and no more forced brainwashing to make friends with everyone or else. That's really all I ask for from G5...
Good yes. This is what i want.
If the reddish AJ redesign with fetlocks and a creamy blaze wins out she will be one of the most beautiful ponies ever. So I hope they go with that one. RE: "Oversaturated Eyesore" :P
Edit: I think they would never ever do that color combo again, but my dream would be if they just replaced Fluttershy with G2 Jolly and gave her yellow/pink combo to Pinkie Pie.
If the reddish AJ redesign with fetlocks and a creamy blaze wins out she will be one of the most beautiful ponies ever. So I hope they go with that one. RE: "Oversaturated Eyesore" :P
Edit: I think they would never ever do that color combo again, but my dream would be if they just replaced Fluttershy with G2 Jolly and gave her yellow/pink combo to Pinkie Pie.
Oversaturated Eyesore?
If the reddish AJ redesign with fetlocks and a creamy blaze wins out she will be one of the most beautiful ponies ever. So I hope they go with that one. RE: "Oversaturated Eyesore" :P
Edit: I think they would never ever do that color combo again, but my dream would be if they just replaced Fluttershy with G2 Jolly and gave her yellow/pink combo to Pinkie Pie.
Oversaturated Eyesore?
Have you seen Hip Holly? You can never be oversaturated enough when it's MLP O.O.
If the reddish AJ redesign with fetlocks and a creamy blaze wins out she will be one of the most beautiful ponies ever. So I hope they go with that one. RE: "Oversaturated Eyesore" :P
Edit: I think they would never ever do that color combo again, but my dream would be if they just replaced Fluttershy with G2 Jolly and gave her yellow/pink combo to Pinkie Pie.
Oversaturated Eyesore?
Have you seen Hip Holly? You can never be oversaturated enough when it's MLP O.O.
I...okay? I honestly had no idea what she meant by that one. :blink:
If the reddish AJ redesign with fetlocks and a creamy blaze wins out she will be one of the most beautiful ponies ever. So I hope they go with that one. RE: "Oversaturated Eyesore" :P
Edit: I think they would never ever do that color combo again, but my dream would be if they just replaced Fluttershy with G2 Jolly and gave her yellow/pink combo to Pinkie Pie.
Oversaturated Eyesore?
Have you seen Hip Holly? You can never be oversaturated enough when it's MLP O.O.
I...okay? I honestly had no idea what she meant by that one. :blink:
If you mean me, I just mean that Hasbro are completely unafraid to shove everything on a pony, so Oversaturated Eyesore is a definite possibility xD
Strongly disagree that G3 Pinkie Pie has a better design than G4 Pinkie Pie. The main difference in their designs (aside from mold) is that G3 Pinkie has fading pink hair. [strong curse word] fading pink hair. :P I am always finding G3 Pinkies with nasty, off-white hair at Value Village.
On the leaked (potential) designs, there are a lot of them that I think are cute but am unsure if I want them to make 'official'. Like, the designs with a lot of "horsey" dapples are cute, buuuuut . . . not really very MLP-ish IMO. MLPs have never had 'horse' markings, except Bubbles & Seashell's blazes (but those are super symmetrical & stylized). To me the dapples etc make the designs look like Strawberry Shortcake horses. Cute? Yes. MLP-ish? Ehhhh . . .
I do think giving all the earth ponies feathering around their hooves could be a fun and elegant idea, and a way to GIVE them a trait of their own instead of defining them by their lack of wings / lack of horn. (I also think cloven hooves for the unicorns could be fun.) It would also move away from the "only male ponies have hoof feathering", which I've always thought was a dopey idea. Female draft horses exist.
To be honest I'd like to see another line like G2 where there is no physical difference in the molds between the male and female ponies. To me this was one of the appeals of MLPs, that they are pretty androgynous. As opposed to Barbie who's like "HERE ARE MAH BOOBS."
If the reddish AJ redesign with fetlocks and a creamy blaze wins out she will be one of the most beautiful ponies ever. So I hope they go with that one. RE: "Oversaturated Eyesore" :P
Edit: I think they would never ever do that color combo again, but my dream would be if they just replaced Fluttershy with G2 Jolly and gave her yellow/pink combo to Pinkie Pie.
Oversaturated Eyesore?
There are far more appealing designs in the pony pantheon than these over-saturated eyesores.
On the leaked (potential) designs, there are a lot of them that I think are cute but am unsure if I want them to make 'official'. Like, the designs with a lot of "horsey" dapples are cute, buuuuut . . . not really very MLP-ish IMO. MLPs have never had 'horse' markings, except Bubbles & Seashell's blazes (but those are super symmetrical & stylized). To me the dapples etc make the designs look like Strawberry Shortcake horses. Cute? Yes. MLP-ish? Ehhhh . . .
And I still say boo to cloven hoofs. Feather hooves being the hallmark of earth ponies would be cool, but cloven hooves don't work on equines (they cease to be equines in fact).
I'd like to see prototypes of the actual toys rather than the drawings. It's easy to make flat, still images for concept art. I want to know what the actually product will look like. I can't imagine any of these design will translate into viable toys. I don't think most of them would actually work well when animated.
And I still say boo to cloven hoofs. Feather hooves being the hallmark of earth ponies would be cool, but cloven hooves don't work on equines (they cease to be equines in fact).
Come to think of it, the cutie mark is supposed to be a form of dappling. Why mess with a design that has stood the test of time for three and a half decades when no one has objected to it? Some of these designs seem to be different just for the sake of being different (the worst reason to be different).
I personally like the more traditional horse markings. Though I think some of those designs go way overboard on AJ. I mean a blaze, white mouth, freckles *and* eyebrows?! Waaaay too much going on there on one face.
The thing that makes it "not mlp" to me are the hooves. I prefer the more stylized hooves/legs. I do get that this design is kind of similar to g2 but that's one of my least favorite gens. It's something that I'll probably get over eventually though if it does happen. especially if the toy comes out nicely.
Also, between HQGC and Basic Fun scratching my g1 itch, I'm feeling a lot more lenient about watching the main line go in a slightly different direction. They have to have symbols though. That is an absolute must.
Well, the G4 ponies are an anatomical nightmare. G1 through G3 are much better built. Now I'm worried about how misshapen the G5 ponies will be.
We're also running into the problem of people beginning to complain about aspect this does not have in common with Friendship is Magic. Some idiot brony spent ten minutes whining about the lack of Luna and how she will be left out of the new generation. I wished I could pull him through my screen and scream "THIS ISN'T FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC, YOU DOLT!" in his face.
This is going to please no one. Those sick of the Mane 6 are going to have no reason to come back to this generation and those who only care about Friendship is Magic are already looking for changes to grouse about. They should have created a new cast of characters for this. Even if Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash are required, the rest should be new. This will be My Little Pony's Transformers Generation 2. It's going to take all the intangible capital created by Friendship is Magic and squander it.
And people like me who are just looking forward to a new pony universe with possibly improved animation.
I notice a trend in all kinds of fandoms that change is always hated on but in the end a lot of people are into it.
Bro-noes who whine for ten minutes about Luna are not much different to collectors who whine about the same issue in multiple topics and repeat their stance ad nauseum, painting a bleak picture of the MLP future or my favorite: people who, based on a few concepts that aren't even greenlit, say the new gen will suck. We haven't even seen a story outline, a rough draft of anything. Just a bunch of ideas thrown onto a wall. Just relax.
I get your thinking, and at the beginning of MLP FIM I would have agreed with it. "The line can't succeed by selling the same six ponies over and over! No way! Unsustainable!"
But . . . MLP is Hasbro's 2nd best selling brand, after Transformers. Twilight Sparkle's real magic power is to make money rain from the sky, straight into Hasbro's coffers. So . . . I was wrong.
Just because it's not what I would prefer doesn't mean it won't work.
I get your thinking, and at the beginning of MLP FIM I would have agreed with it. "The line can't succeed by selling the same six ponies over and over! No way! Unsustainable!"
But . . . MLP is Hasbro's 2nd best selling brand, after Transformers. Twilight Sparkle's real magic power is to make money rain from the sky, straight into Hasbro's coffers. So . . . I was wrong.
Just because it's not what I would prefer doesn't mean it won't work.
I know Hasbro tends to be rather secretive about this kind of thing, but do we know anything about how G4 sold compared to other generations? I fully believe that G4 made them a lot of money, but how about in comparison to how the brand did before?
I'm having a hard time finding the product breakdown for how much they made in selling the different brands. Most of them are grouped in some form or fashionI get your thinking, and at the beginning of MLP FIM I would have agreed with it. "The line can't succeed by selling the same six ponies over and over! No way! Unsustainable!"
But . . . MLP is Hasbro's 2nd best selling brand, after Transformers. Twilight Sparkle's real magic power is to make money rain from the sky, straight into Hasbro's coffers. So . . . I was wrong.
Just because it's not what I would prefer doesn't mean it won't work.
I know Hasbro tends to be rather secretive about this kind of thing, but do we know anything about how G4 sold compared to other generations? I fully believe that G4 made them a lot of money, but how about in comparison to how the brand did before?
They are required to publish their quarterly financial results as a consequence of being a publicly traded company. If someone wanted to compare past results to current results it shouldn't be impossible.
And I don't like the "life expectancy is shrinking" argument either. When I took marketing, customer retention is drilled into us. To give up on it and just rely on new customers coming in is a dangerous game. If you don't have the faith in your to compete against the Next Thing, you run the danger of your customer base just bypassing you for the Next Thing.
I remember seeing that. The toy part of the bar scared me considering how much new product they were putting out and yet expecting a minimal increase. And consumer goods, while nice, is not the best way to make money on something when you're a manufacturing company.
And I don't like the "life expectancy is shrinking" argument either. When I took marketing, customer retention is drilled into us. To give up on it and just rely on new customers coming in is a dangerous game. If you don't have the faith in your to compete against the Next Thing, you run the danger of your customer base just bypassing you for the Next Thing.
I think it's a bit naive to think that the Mane 6 aren't selling well and Hasbro just hasn't noticed. Their sales keep going through the roof, so apparently someone is buying all these ponies.
For what it's worth, the shelfwarmers where I live are often not the Mane Six. (Cherry Berry was the shelf-sitter from the pearly set.) Anecdotes are interesting, but they're just anecdotes. There's no way to tell if they reflect local trends versus broader trends.
I think it's a bit naive to think that the Mane 6 aren't selling well and Hasbro just hasn't noticed. Their sales keep going through the roof, so apparently someone is buying all these ponies.
For what it's worth, the shelfwarmers where I live are often not the Mane Six. (Cherry Berry was the shelf-sitter from the pearly set.) Anecdotes are interesting, but they're just anecdotes. There's no way to tell if they reflect local trends versus broader trends.
It may be anecdotal, but I think it's more naive to assume Hasbro knows or even cares.
Firstly, how much of product is getting returned to Hasbro unsold? We don't know. It's possible that if stores are clearancing stuff, they're not returning anything to the supplier. That means Hasbro already sold it, right?
Another factor is that in the UK at least, we don't just clear our stock. We get excess stock from other places. Right now as I speak my local Entertainer has stuff marked Target in US boxes and my Tesco in London has Water Cuties marked Australia/Canada/NZ release. Aside from seeing the UK as a viable dumping ground for stuff (which has always been the case back to G1), and taking into consideration potential store deals with the US to import things directly, it is just as possible US store shelves clear of old stock more easily than UK ones do. Either way, we don't have official release dates that are stuck to and ponies do not come here in the right order. And it's very obvious something is shelf-sitting if it's there for four years.
Not a single non-mane 6 pony has ever shelf-sat in any of these places beyond a period of 4-6 months. In some cases they're gone immediately. Mane 6 ponies can sit on shelves here for 4 years. It's circumstantial but it's compelling suggestion that kids are not interested in those particular items - they're more interested in the new.
I've been watching this for a few years specifically so I'm not just making it up or assuming. It's all circumstantial but based on empirical evidence rather than my wishful thinking. My sister also works in the web promotion part of retail and I know which ponies her store has trouble shifting. It's not the non-mane 6. It's the others. That's a different part of the UK from the two I circulate in, so that's 3 different locations.
Another thing that happens here is stuff comes on shelf and is on clearance the moment it is released. This sometimes happens with mane 6 and sometimes not. The stuff that's not mane 6 goes like crazy. Holly Dash was in my local store for 4 weeks max. Never came back. The Pinkie Pie from her set and the glitter hair ones (Rarity etc) from the previous RP release were still on the shelf long after Holly Dash had gone. My Smyths still has some of those ponies. And the ones with hairbands. But Pursey Pink? Long gone.
Make of it what you like. It still seems to me that the mane 6 are killing the franchise and that keeping them going beyond g4 will ultimately kill MLP completely. At least here.
Maybe in the US it's different. Maybe the mane 6 is more popular. It is true that playsets and stuff have sometimes come out in Europe with extra freebie non mane 6 ponies and it's interesting to consider why that happens, because it's not happening in the US release. These aren't store exclusives like Haven Bay. They're regional. Why are these more marketable in Europe than in the US?
I think it's a bit naive to think that the Mane 6 aren't selling well and Hasbro just hasn't noticed. Their sales keep going through the roof, so apparently someone is buying all these ponies.
For what it's worth, the shelfwarmers where I live are often not the Mane Six. (Cherry Berry was the shelf-sitter from the pearly set.) Anecdotes are interesting, but they're just anecdotes. There's no way to tell if they reflect local trends versus broader trends.
It may be anecdotal, but I think it's more naive to assume Hasbro knows or even cares.
Firstly, how much of product is getting returned to Hasbro unsold? We don't know. It's possible that if stores are clearancing stuff, they're not returning anything to the supplier. That means Hasbro already sold it, right?
Another factor is that in the UK at least, we don't just clear our stock. We get excess stock from other places. Right now as I speak my local Entertainer has stuff marked Target in US boxes and my Tesco in London has Water Cuties marked Australia/Canada/NZ release. Aside from seeing the UK as a viable dumping ground for stuff (which has always been the case back to G1), and taking into consideration potential store deals with the US to import things directly, it is just as possible US store shelves clear of old stock more easily than UK ones do. Either way, we don't have official release dates that are stuck to and ponies do not come here in the right order. And it's very obvious something is shelf-sitting if it's there for four years.
Not a single non-mane 6 pony has ever shelf-sat in any of these places beyond a period of 4-6 months. In some cases they're gone immediately. Mane 6 ponies can sit on shelves here for 4 years. It's circumstantial but it's compelling suggestion that kids are not interested in those particular items - they're more interested in the new.
I've been watching this for a few years specifically so I'm not just making it up or assuming. It's all circumstantial but based on empirical evidence rather than my wishful thinking. My sister also works in the web promotion part of retail and I know which ponies her store has trouble shifting. It's not the non-mane 6. It's the others. That's a different part of the UK from the two I circulate in, so that's 3 different locations.
Another thing that happens here is stuff comes on shelf and is on clearance the moment it is released. This sometimes happens with mane 6 and sometimes not. The stuff that's not mane 6 goes like crazy. Holly Dash was in my local store for 4 weeks max. Never came back. The Pinkie Pie from her set and the glitter hair ones (Rarity etc) from the previous RP release were still on the shelf long after Holly Dash had gone. My Smyths still has some of those ponies. And the ones with hairbands. But Pursey Pink? Long gone.
Make of it what you like. It still seems to me that the mane 6 are killing the franchise and that keeping them going beyond g4 will ultimately kill MLP completely. At least here.
Maybe in the US it's different. Maybe the mane 6 is more popular. It is true that playsets and stuff have sometimes come out in Europe with extra freebie non mane 6 ponies and it's interesting to consider why that happens, because it's not happening in the US release. These aren't store exclusives like Haven Bay. They're regional. Why are these more marketable in Europe than in the US?
I think it's a bit naive to think that the Mane 6 aren't selling well and Hasbro just hasn't noticed. Their sales keep going through the roof (...)
You'd think there'd always be a market for colorful fantasy horses, but apparently it's not that easy (the demand always did seem stronger in Europe compared to the US, but Hasbro prioritizes the US).
Hasbro is a big corporation with many different regional branches. There's a lot of levels and layers involved in organising and promoting a product like MLP and all aspects of the wider franchise. If Hasbro knew every detail of every sale they would be superhuman. It's crazy to think that they do. In the past, certainly, it's known that different departments in hasbro didn't communicate with each other very well (this from people who worked with Hasbro in the 1980s for Jem, rather than MLP). They've gone on record to say so. We know that a lot of things don't make a lot of sense in MLP distribution across the world. Hasbro UK and hasbro Europe are both in the UK, but aren't even located in the same country, let alone the same city. It seems mad to me to even think that Hasbro Inc as the mother company knows every detail of everything that is happening.
Moreover, as regards not reordering stock, I think that subject was raised and discussed in this thread to differing degrees:
http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,390128.0.html
Which would suggest that yeah, they're not selling as well. Of course, here it's not necessarily a measure of whether they are or not, since as I said, we get the dumped stuff from other places. We also got Scandinavian EAH dolls and Spanish ones as well. So what's on our shelves from different toy shops is clearly operating on a different frequency to what's going on in other places - but if stores or manufacturers are offloading spare stock in the wrong packaging in another country, it says very clearly that they are not selling in the original country. In those instances, it might also be individual deals between stores, though I know Entertainer is a native British store and Smyths is Irish I think - but they have had ponies with Walmart labels on them, rather than Asda, who are Walmart.
Tell me that Hasbro knows all about all of that and can quantify it. I think it's highly unlikely that they do. If stores have contracts or bulk deals with a manufacturer then returning stock might not be as economically viable as selling it off elsewhere. We also have a clearance type store called TK Maxx here which also gets a lot of pony stuff (and MH actually) discounted after it's left the main shelves. Again, do we think Hasbro orchestrated that?
Credit where it's due, Hasbro have created a very successful brand. But saying they know everything about all their sales and understand their target market is ridiculous.
And that's before factoring in any warping of the target market produced by the unexpected brony phenomenon.
In any case, I reiterate. Kids do not need a new mane 6 character every 4 weeks. What people are forgetting is that it is cheap and easy to keep producing the mane 6. For a new character, more design processes need to go into play. Decisions on plastic colour, on hair, on symbol. Artwork, etc. Yes, mane 6 get redesigned into new styles, but the fundamental features and the components used are probably mostly the same, allowing hasbro to acquire them in bulk and save on production. Hasbro don't need to sell every mane 6 pony to make a profit if they are able to get them made more easily in quantity than if they were to create a whole new set of characters from absolute scratch.
Common sense really. They're out to save costs and make money, but they're not really that interested in making sure everyone loves the mane 6. They're interested in selling enough mane 6 to keep the brand ticking over while occasionally shoring it up with a bit of new stuff to make people think the line has more to it than it actually does. But by oversaturating the mane 6 - whose popularity depends on the TV show that might yet vanish - they're also threatening the future viability of the line. If it's just the same as what happened before, it's not going to have the same success as G4 did from G3/3.5.
You'd think there'd always be a market for colorful fantasy horses, but apparently it's not that easy (the demand always did seem stronger in Europe compared to the US, but Hasbro prioritizes the US).
This is the single most frustrating aspect for me with MLP in general. Although it has improved between G3 to G4 in some cases with stores in other countries outside of the US picking up store exclusives, I don't know that it's as good as it could be. I feel like we're punished for not being America most of the time. Considering that Europe was more loyal to the brand in G1 and G2, the fact that a lot of G3 ponies turned out to be US releases only or store exclusives in the US only was a slap in the face to the international market. I am still interested as to why the exclusive ponies with certain playsets in G4 has happened in Europe and not the US, though. I'd love to know the thought process behind it.
One thing that I think people forget, is that Hasbro doesn't pick what ponies go to what store and in what quantities. HASBRO isn't punishing UK stores. They make an assortment every year- then RETAILERS place their orders.
So the people to pester about why we don't have enough ponies is not Hasbro- it's your own retail stores.
I think Hasbro is holding serve right now. That's the primary strategy. They're depending on consumer goods right now which can carry what's left of G4 to its conclusion. And, frankly, Hasbro has become a rather lazy company. Developing new characters would mean work, and they figure they can get away with this. We will see if that's the case.
I think Hasbro is holding serve right now. That's the primary strategy. They're depending on consumer goods right now which can carry what's left of G4 to its conclusion. And, frankly, Hasbro has become a rather lazy company. Developing new characters would mean work, and they figure they can get away with this. We will see if that's the case.
The big two toy companies (Mattel and Hasbro) have become INCREDIBLY lazy in the last few years.
Anything new so far?
I didn't study marketing but I make products for children. I'm at the source. Toy franchises are riddled with character repeats because they sell.
Neither MH nor EqG are Disney products. EqG was a blatant MH rip-off to steal away their customer base and they did so with Mane Six repeats. MH's high level of detail, quality, creativity and collectability couldn't keep up with same-faced pony people. Even though there were less characters and sculpts.
Interesting sidenote about Mattel vs Hasbro, I have a friend who did contract work for Hasbro setting up store displays (you know how sometimes you'll see someone from Coke or Pepsi or whoever setting up a display but they don't actually work for the store?) and apparently Mattel is awful to work alongside, as they will simply disassemble "competing" displays . . . like literally take them down and dump them in a back room. Or they'll spread out their display way beyond the space that was set aside for it.
The sense I got was that Mattel is difficult to work with in general and acts rather entitled.
Interesting sidenote about Mattel vs Hasbro, I have a friend who did contract work for Hasbro setting up store displays (you know how sometimes you'll see someone from Coke or Pepsi or whoever setting up a display but they don't actually work for the store?) and apparently Mattel is awful to work alongside, as they will simply disassemble "competing" displays . . . like literally take them down and dump them in a back room. Or they'll spread out their display way beyond the space that was set aside for it.
The sense I got was that Mattel is difficult to work with in general and acts rather entitled.
Wow. -_- That's petty.
How big do you think these G5s will be? I'm hoping Flutter or G3 sized.
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's a "too big to fail" thing with Mattel or what, but the store was definitely aware of it as they were the ones warning the Hasbro employees about it. She (my friend) said she thought they were exaggerating until she saw it happening. She said she was glad that Mattel and Hasbro didn't end up merging, lol.
How big do you think these G5s will be? I'm hoping Flutter or G3 sized.
If they do give them similar proportions to the art they seemed to be leaning toward in the leaks, I would imagine to pull it off they'd have to be larger than G4s for sure. Maybe they could be about the size of G2s?
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's a "too big to fail" thing with Mattel or what, but the store was definitely aware of it as they were the ones warning the Hasbro employees about it. She (my friend) said she thought they were exaggerating until she saw it happening. She said she was glad that Mattel and Hasbro didn't end up merging, lol.
I'm glad too.
Post Merge: June 22, 2018, 08:21:52 AMHow big do you think these G5s will be? I'm hoping Flutter or G3 sized.
If they do give them similar proportions to the art they seemed to be leaning toward in the leaks, I would imagine to pull it off they'd have to be larger than G4s for sure. Maybe they could be about the size of G2s?
I don't know how tall G2s are?
Hard to say! I'd love to see ponies be a bit bigger again. But having them smaller probably means more lines (like regular ponies + baby sea ponies + adult sea ponies + light up ponies) as it means Hasbro can jam more ponies into their retail space. I feel like toy aisles have really shrunk since the 80s, which makes me sad.
Hard to say! I'd love to see ponies be a bit bigger again. But having them smaller probably means more lines (like regular ponies + baby sea ponies + adult sea ponies + light up ponies) as it means Hasbro can jam more ponies into their retail space. I feel like toy aisles have really shrunk since the 80s, which makes me sad.
Consistently small ponies hasn't done much for the line in terms of diversity.
So with my wishes adjusted to their current product, all I want from them is thicker tails and a bit more equine anatomy. Size-wise they could go with the Luna/Cadence/Twilight figure.That would be a good start. At least the Celestia shape is closer to G2. I hope they make the faces more horsey. Even though G2 ponies had weird faces they still came across as more horse than G4 do in my opinion. I know they won't go for a G1 style face or even G3, but I'll settle for something slightly more G2 at least?
So with my wishes adjusted to their current product, all I want from them is thicker tails and a bit more equine anatomy. Size-wise they could go with the Luna/Cadence/Twilight figure.
I don't think they will get as big as G3. It's all about space now, so the consumer can buy more of the product. That's why I also think they won't add more mass to them, sadly. Because they are cheap with the amount of plastic that goes into one of those horseys.
Has anyone else taken a look at how much space is wasted on Fashion Style Tempest's packaging?
I don't think they will get as big as G3. It's all about space now, so the consumer can buy more of the product. That's why I also think they won't add more mass to them, sadly. Because they are cheap with the amount of plastic that goes into one of those horseys.
Though that doesn't explain why they sometime waste space with their packaging. Has anyone else taken a look at how much space is wasted on Fashion Style Tempest's packaging? They could have almost added another whole pony in there with her! And they didn't even bother to put in some decent background art behind her so it's really obvious, all the wasted space.
I assumed Sunset was referring to the light-up Tempest. Here's a pic:Has anyone else taken a look at how much space is wasted on Fashion Style Tempest's packaging?
There's a fashion style Tempest Shadow? Can't find a pic online
I assumed Sunset was referring to the light-up Tempest. Here's a pic:Has anyone else taken a look at how much space is wasted on Fashion Style Tempest's packaging?
There's a fashion style Tempest Shadow? Can't find a pic online
I can totally see the complaints here. At least the Rarity had some stickers to appear to take up space. No brush, no accessories, no landscape...underwhelming.
So with my wishes adjusted to their current product, all I want from them is thicker tails and a bit more equine anatomy. Size-wise they could go with the Luna/Cadence/Twilight figure.
Yeah, thicker tails would be great.
Also shorter manes. I am so done with pony manes trailing on the ground.