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Pony Corral / Re: So, about the whole Hasbro getting rid of ":muffin: Pony" thing...
« on: February 03, 2012, 12:15:47 PM »
I don't think anyone's asking for FiM to be all about sunshine and roses. But, however some people might like to look at the Pony scene through rose-tinted glasses, I can definitely see why people were offended by it. My jaw dropped when I saw it, just to think that Hasbro would actually allow that into a MLP show. And no, it's nothing to do with poor little Pony and "let's write out the disabled and pretend they don't exist". My problem was with RD's treatment of her and the way she was portrayed as, "Ha ha! Look! Clumsy, stupid pony! Let's laugh at her!" Honestly, her sole purpose in the show was for comic relief...and that's just wrong. I'd be happy to see her appear in future episodes, but it would be nice to see her with more positive personality traits alongside her clumsiness.
As for the word Pony, it may not have originated as a slur against the mentally disabled but, as I believe someone else already mentioned in this thread, "gay" didn't have the same meaning a few decades ago. Does that mean Hasbro should name a happy little pony, "Gay Sunshine", and throw in a few stereotypical homosexual slurs for laughs. I think not.
Imagine yourself as a MLP-loving child for a minute - a MLP-loving child with strabismus. At school, you are bullied and called a "derp". You come home to relax and watch MLP and hey presto, there's your favourite character, Rainbow Dash, shouting at a pony with eyes like yours, and calling her by the same term that you hear as a slur against you on a daily basis. Not only that, but the pony is portrayed as being ridiculously clumsy and unable to even notice what she's doing wrong. Now can you see why that child or her parents would be offended? Put it the other way, the child who bullies this poor little kid sees the cartoon and has it reinforced that it is okay to call someone who looks that way, " Pony". No, it shouldn't happen. Yes, the parents should be supervising these kids. But unfortunately, that's not always the case.
My own sister was born with a lazy eye and was bullied at school for it. Thankfully, with the use of eye patches, hers was sorted out by the time she was nine or ten and the bullying stopped before high school. She still has some visual problems with that eye, but it's not physically noticeable anymore. This was all long before the word "derp" was invented, but I know Mum would have gone wild if a character with her problem was depicted in a kids' show and named by one of the offensive terms used towards my sister.
To be honest, I am sick of Hasbro pandering to the bronies just because they're loud and boistrous. The more they do for them, the more they whine it's not good enough. And the loud, annoying "include this offensive character OR ELSE" bronies are exactly the type of people who AREN'T supporting Hasbro in any way and are merely watching the show illegally on Youtube. So I'm not sure what they gain from it. As for, "Yes, it started off as a kids' show, but now there are these adults making ridiculous demands - how nice that Hasbro are listening!", no. Just no. If they want to make it an adult show, start airing it in the evenings. While it continues to air on a saturday morning, it is and will always be primarily a kids' show. Let the adults enjoy it for what it is, they don't need constant nods towards their fanon characters.
People are writing hateful comments to Hasbro regarding Pony and how she should be kept as she is a wonderful character with lots of positive traits. But I think they're mixing up canon with their own fanfiction. I have yet to see any of those positive traits in FiM. Give us loving mother Pony Hooves who has a normal life and doesn't only appear to be criticised by the other ponies and give the viewers a laugh. Isn't THAT what most of the fanfiction writers wanted?
And finally, yes, it is quite possible that Tabitha St.Germain didn't see a picture of Pony before she voiced her. Pony is, after all, just an additional character and, in Vancouver at least, additional characters are usually cast on the spot - whichever actor who is already in the studio can do the best voice will get the part, often not knowing any more about the character than a brief one line description or the lines they have to say. This isn't Disney. It's just a regular cartoon recorded in an afternoon's work.
That being said, I do wonder if Tabitha knew the character was female - I never picked up that the voice was "a boy's voice", just a typical slightly slow deep female voice. It's pretty similar to another voice I've heard Tabitha do in a different cartoon. She might have just used the "I thought it was a boy" excuse to get all the mindless bronies sending her hate mail because (*GASP*) she didn't sound like the amateur voice actress on Youtube who'd made a video of herself as Pony Hooves.
I'm also sure Tabitha didn't mean to brush anyone off or offend them. I've seen the reply she sent to someone who was offended by the character which was posted on LJ, but I really don't think she meant for it to come across the way those people made out she did. I used to write to her and she is one of the sweetest people I've ever known, patiently answering my questions and encouraging me to work towards my goal. She does write in that long-winded way, but I think she was trying to be kind to that woman (man?) - the way I read it, her "even you" comment was not aimed as a slur against the "intellectually disabled person" but at this person (and many others) sending her unpleasant emails.
Not to defend someone I haven't even spoken to for a while, but I thought that should be out there. As someone who has endured the sharp end of the more immature bronies' tongues via hate mail for months on end, I know how easy it is to get to the end of your tether and snap back. Should she have written snappy e-mails? No. But she's human, just trying to make a living and get on with her job, and suddenly she gets a bunch of nasty e-mails about something she knows very little about. She's never been one to do the anime conventions and mix with the fans, I can imagine this is driving her out of her mind.
A long post, but that's all my thoughts on this matter. I realise some of my opinions are unpopular ones. Hate me if you like. I'm more than happy to agree to disagree.
As for the word Pony, it may not have originated as a slur against the mentally disabled but, as I believe someone else already mentioned in this thread, "gay" didn't have the same meaning a few decades ago. Does that mean Hasbro should name a happy little pony, "Gay Sunshine", and throw in a few stereotypical homosexual slurs for laughs. I think not.
Imagine yourself as a MLP-loving child for a minute - a MLP-loving child with strabismus. At school, you are bullied and called a "derp". You come home to relax and watch MLP and hey presto, there's your favourite character, Rainbow Dash, shouting at a pony with eyes like yours, and calling her by the same term that you hear as a slur against you on a daily basis. Not only that, but the pony is portrayed as being ridiculously clumsy and unable to even notice what she's doing wrong. Now can you see why that child or her parents would be offended? Put it the other way, the child who bullies this poor little kid sees the cartoon and has it reinforced that it is okay to call someone who looks that way, " Pony". No, it shouldn't happen. Yes, the parents should be supervising these kids. But unfortunately, that's not always the case.
My own sister was born with a lazy eye and was bullied at school for it. Thankfully, with the use of eye patches, hers was sorted out by the time she was nine or ten and the bullying stopped before high school. She still has some visual problems with that eye, but it's not physically noticeable anymore. This was all long before the word "derp" was invented, but I know Mum would have gone wild if a character with her problem was depicted in a kids' show and named by one of the offensive terms used towards my sister.
To be honest, I am sick of Hasbro pandering to the bronies just because they're loud and boistrous. The more they do for them, the more they whine it's not good enough. And the loud, annoying "include this offensive character OR ELSE" bronies are exactly the type of people who AREN'T supporting Hasbro in any way and are merely watching the show illegally on Youtube. So I'm not sure what they gain from it. As for, "Yes, it started off as a kids' show, but now there are these adults making ridiculous demands - how nice that Hasbro are listening!", no. Just no. If they want to make it an adult show, start airing it in the evenings. While it continues to air on a saturday morning, it is and will always be primarily a kids' show. Let the adults enjoy it for what it is, they don't need constant nods towards their fanon characters.
People are writing hateful comments to Hasbro regarding Pony and how she should be kept as she is a wonderful character with lots of positive traits. But I think they're mixing up canon with their own fanfiction. I have yet to see any of those positive traits in FiM. Give us loving mother Pony Hooves who has a normal life and doesn't only appear to be criticised by the other ponies and give the viewers a laugh. Isn't THAT what most of the fanfiction writers wanted?
And finally, yes, it is quite possible that Tabitha St.Germain didn't see a picture of Pony before she voiced her. Pony is, after all, just an additional character and, in Vancouver at least, additional characters are usually cast on the spot - whichever actor who is already in the studio can do the best voice will get the part, often not knowing any more about the character than a brief one line description or the lines they have to say. This isn't Disney. It's just a regular cartoon recorded in an afternoon's work.
That being said, I do wonder if Tabitha knew the character was female - I never picked up that the voice was "a boy's voice", just a typical slightly slow deep female voice. It's pretty similar to another voice I've heard Tabitha do in a different cartoon. She might have just used the "I thought it was a boy" excuse to get all the mindless bronies sending her hate mail because (*GASP*) she didn't sound like the amateur voice actress on Youtube who'd made a video of herself as Pony Hooves.
I'm also sure Tabitha didn't mean to brush anyone off or offend them. I've seen the reply she sent to someone who was offended by the character which was posted on LJ, but I really don't think she meant for it to come across the way those people made out she did. I used to write to her and she is one of the sweetest people I've ever known, patiently answering my questions and encouraging me to work towards my goal. She does write in that long-winded way, but I think she was trying to be kind to that woman (man?) - the way I read it, her "even you" comment was not aimed as a slur against the "intellectually disabled person" but at this person (and many others) sending her unpleasant emails.
Not to defend someone I haven't even spoken to for a while, but I thought that should be out there. As someone who has endured the sharp end of the more immature bronies' tongues via hate mail for months on end, I know how easy it is to get to the end of your tether and snap back. Should she have written snappy e-mails? No. But she's human, just trying to make a living and get on with her job, and suddenly she gets a bunch of nasty e-mails about something she knows very little about. She's never been one to do the anime conventions and mix with the fans, I can imagine this is driving her out of her mind.
A long post, but that's all my thoughts on this matter. I realise some of my opinions are unpopular ones. Hate me if you like. I'm more than happy to agree to disagree.