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Quote from: SpacePinto on March 01, 2021, 12:53:50 PMQuote from: Leave a Whisper on February 28, 2021, 08:11:28 PMIts interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative. What episode was that?
Quote from: Leave a Whisper on February 28, 2021, 08:11:28 PMIts interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative.
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.
Quote from: MJNSEIFER on March 01, 2021, 01:44:49 PMQuote from: SpacePinto on March 01, 2021, 12:53:50 PMQuote from: Leave a Whisper on February 28, 2021, 08:11:28 PMIts interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative. What episode was that?I don't know names of individual FIM episodes but from what I've gathered, it seems that the show liked to use non-pony species as stand-ins for African, Native American, Asian etc. cultures, they would usually act in stereotypical fashion (like speaking in broken English, having eccenctric customs etc.) and ponies would have to save them by showing them the magic of friendship. If I am wrong and my sources on that were actually incorrect then I apologize.
Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.Later on other bovines would stand in for Pakistan (Yakistan, come on, lol) and be nothing but screamy brutes who talk like Grimlock and stomp on everything. Do I need to go on?
Quote from: MJNSEIFER on March 01, 2021, 01:44:49 PMQuote from: SpacePinto on March 01, 2021, 12:53:50 PMQuote from: Leave a Whisper on February 28, 2021, 08:11:28 PMIts interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative. What episode was that?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKGERhaY-sQ ...and that's just the song. The entire episode went like this.
Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.
Even the "lesson" at the end is wrapped up in such a way that's like "even if someone is strange or weird, don't treat them differently," iirc. Way to drop the ball, hard. Yikes.
I think mini figures and playsets from RAMC would have been amazing! Although, I will always prefer the brushables, I still kind of crave the kind of awesome statues like in FIM for RAMC. As a kid, ponies with really weird or silly names
Also Zecora being othered as an African stand-in and that bufallo ep led to an onslaught of "racist AJ" memes and racist Equestria fanart in the B-fandom. Certainly not the showrunners fault but a good reminder of what impact these badly thought out plots and morals had. I'm sure a lot of kids got to accidentally see all that "AJ as a plantation owner" crap.
I don't know names of individual FIM episodes but from what I've gathered, it seems that the show liked to use non-pony species as stand-ins for African, Native American, Asian etc. cultures, they would usually act in stereotypical fashion (like speaking in broken English, having eccenctric customs etc.) and ponies would have to save them by showing them the magic of friendship. If I am wrong and my sources on that were actually incorrect then I apologize.
There is at least that one episode where the Griffins (?) have their treasure lost/damaged/broken by Pinkie and Dash who then patronisingly tell them that they now have a better treasure in friendship. Just a touch colonial there. I don't have a good enough knowledge of G4 FIM to know if there are others, but that one sticks with me because it made me feel very uncomfortable.
Over a Barrel infuriates me. On top of that they had those stereotypical "war whoops" playing in the background of the buffalo stampede through the town.One episode I watched again recently that left my mouth agape was Bridle Gossip; the Zecora episode. All the things the ponies say about her, even considering it was intended to be in ignorance, is just unbelievable. Rarity said her stripes were garish. It's very obvious that this episode was supposed to have a message behind it about not treating people differently because of their skin colour but the Lame 6 act WAY over the top. They insult Zecora's home and "decor" (which appear to be based on African masks), and say that her "strange incantations" (i.e. a different language) points to her being "bad."Even the "lesson" at the end is wrapped up in such a way that's like "even if someone is strange or weird, don't treat them differently," iirc. Way to drop the ball, hard. Yikes.
Good lord this also reminded me of that one episode where a Fashion-designer unicorn that Rarity has a crush on comes to town. As soon as he sees Applejack he's in love with her, and he says something like "I've always admired the work-ethic of earthponies."
Quote from: Shiverdam on March 03, 2021, 01:05:44 PMGood lord this also reminded me of that one episode where a Fashion-designer unicorn that Rarity has a crush on comes to town. As soon as he sees Applejack he's in love with her, and he says something like "I've always admired the work-ethic of earthponies." What's that in reference to? Is it a reference to a race or something in the real world or is it just because it generalised earth ponies as being all the same?