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Title: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 08, 2023, 10:27:00 AM
I have to start a thread on this!

I was cautiously optimistic about it at first, but these last couple of weeks we've hit with wave after wave of little teasers that really sold it IMO.

Flounder looks a little dead in the eyes and Sebastian looks a little too delicious, but overall I am very excited for this. Halle's voice and the multilayered fluttering tail fins are so enchanting. Jonah Hauer-King makes for a more believable Prince Eric than the singer they were initially chasing (can't remember his name right now)

If anyone one has info on the changes they made to the ending, please don't share it, or hide it well please.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: BlackCurtains on May 08, 2023, 11:00:50 AM
It looks amazing. I don't mind the realistic changes to the animals and in fact I like what they've done with Scuttle quite a bit. My one little thing so far is that when they released what her sisters look like, they're all so stunning! It makes Ariel look a little boring :lol:
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Gator on May 08, 2023, 04:08:42 PM
I was originally not going to watch it.  As a big Disney animation fan, I have not enjoyed many of the live-action remakes.  Too many changes.
However, after watching the trailers, I’m excited about this one.  I love the scenes showing Ariel in the carriage/market…  I think this actress will make a good Ariel.

Butttt….
I don’t like Scuttle being turned into a gannet.  Also, I love LOVE Awkwafina, but I don’t think I want her as Scuttle. 
Flounder is a little plain, and Sebastian scares me a bit.
I love Melissa McCarthy, but I think I would have cast somebody meaner looking. 
I hear they are changing the lyrics of “Kiss the Girl” .  I don’t want a debate, but I see it as an innocent song about falling in love. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Beldarna on May 09, 2023, 02:52:58 AM
I've been excited about this movie since they first talked about her and after watching all the trailers, omg! So gonna watch it at the theatres, maybe not on the premiere though, too many young girls with mobile phones, so I'll wait for a bit. But I can't wait too long or they'll remove the one with the original language and a dubbed live action movie is not something I like. Sorry for the rambling, lol. It looks so good though! :heart:
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 09, 2023, 03:20:49 AM
Some European countries will see the release on the 24th, 2 days before the USA release. Careful around that time, spoilers and phone recordings may pop up.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 10, 2023, 11:53:37 AM
The first reactions are overall very positive! I hope it does super well despite the you-know-what backlash it got (and still gets, apparently). Sadly enough, some people on youtube seem to be going out of their way to cherry pick all the negative responses to support their claim (or hope) that it will bomb. Or maybe it's just for the sake of clicks and views.

EDIT (tiny spoiler about a song):
Spoiler
Les Poissons got cut. I can see why; even though it was a fun scene, it didn't really propel the story forward, and with an extended runtime something had to go.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: brightberry on May 10, 2023, 12:09:59 PM
I have been wanting to see this movie. I think it will be fun!  I really like her singing voice.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Ponyfan on May 10, 2023, 12:23:13 PM
I'm on the fence about it.  Ariel is my favorite Disney princess and I love the animated movie.  I have a large collection of Ariel/Little Mermaid items. 

I've enjoyed some of the live action remakes Disney has done before including Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin.  I'm trying to keep an open mind going in, but I don't want Disney to ruin the story for me.   I want to see if they include some details from the original fairy tale like they did with Beauty and Beast.

I am a little disappointed that all of Ariel's sisters have new names.  I don't think that was necessary and I don't know how Daughters of Triton (if it's in the movie) will work with the new names when the old ones were just fine.

I've also never seen a problem with the lyrics to "Poor Unfortunate Souls or Kiss the Girl."  I'm pretty sure I know where the "problem"" section of Poor Unfortunate Souls is, (I haven't seen clips of it or the Kiss the Girl scene) but we all know Ursula was lying about the things that men on land liked about girls to try to convince Ariel that she wouldn't need her voice on land when Ursula knew full well, it was Ariel's voice that Eric remembered.

All that being said, I still want to see the movie. Not sure yet if I'll try to see it in the theater or wait until it's on Disney +

Ponyfan
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Carrehz on May 10, 2023, 12:33:44 PM
I don't get why they renamed the sisters, either! I know they're far from the first Disney characters to get renamed (I've lost track of how many names the feather duster from Beauty and the Beast has  :lol:) but it just seems like change for the sake of it. I dunno, maybe they decided they were different enough from the original characters to warrant new names too.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 10, 2023, 12:48:27 PM
I don't think that was necessary and I don't know how Daughters of Triton (if it's in the movie) will work with the new names when the old ones were just fine.

Spoiler:
Spoiler
That song has been cut

I'm curious to see how their mother fits into the story
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Ponyfan on May 10, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
I don't think that was necessary and I don't know how Daughters of Triton (if it's in the movie) will work with the new names when the old ones were just fine.

Spoiler:
Spoiler
That song has been cut

I'm curious to see how their mother fits into the story


Spoiler
I'm not surprised.  I really didn't see how it would work without the original names.

Different tiny spoiler related to the sisters.


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I think I read that Ariel is not the youngest anymore? 

I forgot to say in my last post that I hope the Broadway show is incorporated in some way, whether it's in the score or a song.  I'm really hoping "Her Voice" is included. It was written for the animated movie but was cut at some point during production. When the Broadway show was created, they used "Her Voice" as one of the songs.

Here's a Youtube clip of it. This version is from The Little Mermaid Live performance, but it's the same song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xyqsmEfcP4


Ponyfan
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 18, 2023, 05:27:00 PM
Part Of That World gets a second reprise in the live action version. A second one! Couldn't restrain myself and listened to it when it showed up on my youtube recommendations. Listened to it 4 times by now.

That might be my new favorite moment in the movie! Sounds so heartbreaking! Can't wait for the 24th!

EDIT: 127 times by now  :cry:
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Ponyfan on May 18, 2023, 07:19:35 PM
There's lots of clips being posted on Facebook lately.  I've watched some of them, but I don't want to watch all of them and then feel like I've already seen the whole movie. There's a Little Mermaid trailer playing with Are You There, God? It's me, Margaret.  I was really happy when I realized it was a Little Mermaid trailer. :D

Ponyfan
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 18, 2023, 07:31:55 PM
I listened to the new Kiss The Girl song for the lyrics change.

Here's what was changed (not even going to put this in spoilers, it's so small)

"it don't take a word go on and kiss the girl"

is replaced by

"use your words boy and ask her"

No reason for this to make headlines.

As for Poor Unfortunate Souls; I can't pinpoint an obvious change in lyrics.

Spoiler
What happened is that they cut a couple of lines; the ones about "men don't like a lot of blabber, they think a girl who gossips is a bore", and Ariel refuses to sign the contract, but is persuaded to do so by Ursula mentioning her father and the life that awaits her, rather than conjuring up an image of Prince Eric to get her to sign
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Koudoawaia on May 18, 2023, 07:52:50 PM
I will be skipping this remake and sticking to the animated classic. Honestly wish they'd just stop with all these remakes. x.x
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Carrehz on May 19, 2023, 07:13:46 AM
I'm with you, Koudoawaia - so tired of all these remakes...

Thanks for posting that though, DreamvalleyMLP, I was curious about the changed lyrics. Better than I was expecting. I guess they write articles about this stuff to try and whip up a controversy and get more people talking about it? But I'd rather they focus on new things instead of trying to excite interest by talking about what they've changed... x) (hope that makes sense, I know what I mean but the words aren't coming to me!!)
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 19, 2023, 10:19:45 AM
Hard pass. Disney went from having the Midas Touch to whatever the opposite of that is. They've been putting out soulless mediocre crap for over a decade. The Little Mermaid is one of my favorite Disney films of all time, and I refuse to watch them butcher it.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Koudoawaia on May 20, 2023, 07:59:49 AM
I remember when the original came out I was Little Mermaid obsessed. I wanted to see it in theaters so bad but never got to and when we moved I remember one of my biggest priorities was locating my Ariel Happy Meal toy from McDonald's. That one got donated or something years ago but I found another one at Good Will in recent years and she's on one of my bookshelves^^ Can't imagine this remake eliciting that kind of excitement from a little kid but who knows? Maybe there's one out there that will be that excited about it. But why are the remakes so dark and brown and boring looking compared to the animated originals?
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: BlackCurtains on May 20, 2023, 10:38:34 AM
Nah, there are plenty of children (and adults) who are super excited for this.

As far as it being dark and boring? Have you seen Ariel's sisters? Their designs are stunning. It's more realistic so of course it's not going to be as bright and colorful as a cell shaded cartoon.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Ponyfan on May 20, 2023, 07:17:51 PM
I listened to the movie version of "Fathoms Below."  I have to admit I'm a little disappointed that they are sticking to the short version and not the longer one we hear in the Broadway show.  I know that the new movie is based on the orginal movie and not the Broadway version, but I was hoping for a few tributes to the show and I like the additional lyrics especially the part about Triton's mood influencing the ocean.

Lyrics from the Broadway version:

"The king of the ocean gets angry.  And when he gets angry, beware. 
I'm telling you, lad, when King Triton is mad, how the waves will buck, rock to and fro!
Hold on good luck as down you go!"



Ponyfan
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 21, 2023, 08:31:24 AM
Disney has spent so much time and effort finding ways to re-imagine Classic Fairy Tales and Other Pre-Existing IP (heeeeeeeeeeey Star Wars) that it is almost impossible for them to push out original content any longer.

Animated movies, 2-3 direct to video sequels, Disney on Ice, Theme Park Meet & Greets, Broadway musicals...

I mean, I am sitting here drinking from my Most Cherished Mug - a Little Mermaid mug my family bought for me at the Disney Store in 1989.  I love the Little Mermaid as much as any fan could.  I am super excited for Black Mermaids, squeeeeee!  But I have just one teensy, weensy, complaint.  Why do we need to re-tell Ariel's story?  In the animated series, it was made clear that Triton has a territory and we meet many many many mermaids from Distant Oceans including Black Mermaids!  I am certain that the plotline of "I actually LOVE this Human! I don't want to kill/eat/sing him to his death!" is fairly common as a theme in Mermaid Culture.  Why can't Halle Bailey's character just be herself and NOT be Ariel?   I would have been far too overly excited to squee all over this production if she was her own Original Character in the LM universe!

[ooooh I hope I have not offended anyone...]
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Carrehz on May 21, 2023, 08:41:31 AM
No no I totally agree LBS, I'd have much preferred to meet a new mermaid rather than rehashing Ariel's story. It's definitely a rich enough world that you could do more with it without "having" to just stick to the pre-established characters :/ I like the new designs for Ariel's sisters, but I wish they were entirely new characters instead of a new take on pre-existing ones!

I've noticed that a lot of the live-action remakes feel dull and dark compared to the originals, too. I mean of course you don't expect the same sort of brightness you get from a cartoon, but it's totally possible to have a brighter colour palette in a live action film too. :s I'm just not a fan of the "Real is Brown" (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealIsBrown) thing.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: BlackCurtains on May 21, 2023, 09:04:02 AM
I think it is colorful though? Ursula has glowing blue suckers on her tentacles :lol:

I also agree with LBS.

My favorite Disney movie is The Fox and the Hound followed by The Lion King. I didn't see TLK remake but I would to. If they do Fox and the Hound (and stick to their version) I think I'd want to see it. But maybe it's because the main characters are animals and not humans. I mean, I like The Little Mermaid just fine, it's one of my favorites, but I'm not as "in depth" a fan as some of you. (get it? in-depth?)
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Taffeta on May 21, 2023, 09:15:53 AM
It probably should be a whole lot darker, given the story it's based on. I've seen the mermaid in Copenhagen, kind of puts the whole Disney happy ending into relief ;)

...I was never too fussed about the original LM, I enjoyed it fine - played some of the songs from it on my clarinet at school for a festival we did when I was fourteen or fifteen. I think under the sea was the one we did on stage...can't remember now!

My sister really dislikes the live action B&B, but that's because she grew up with the original and it was seminal to her childhood (I watched it with her so many times I still know large amounts by heart, LOL). My favourite at that time was Aladdin, but aside one or two details they changed that seem awkward, I enjoyed the live actions of both...

(Sidenote :
Spoiler
I'm still not persuaded that Jafar's actor plays it evil enough early on, but he gets better. The awkward I'm thinking of is the getting out of the cave. They rewrote a bunch there that I don't think needed rewriting.

I love the dynamic between Jasmine and her lady in waiting, and the whole loop from start to finish is actually very clever.

I haven't seen the LK yet, but Naynie says that it's hard to watch because all the lions look the same. I was never that big on the original LK - I'm one of the heathens who likes LK2 better, LOL, sorry - so I haven't really bothered about it.

With the LM...I feel like...people get so political about stupid things that it washes the life out of the joy somehow. The way I see it, unless there's a very clear cultural need to make a character look a certain way, fictional characters are there to be reinvented and reimagined. I'm sort of curious to see what they added to LM because there's a lot more side depth integrated into B&B (eg Gaston's backstory, Lafou etc) and Aladdin (the latter is also probably a lot more PC). But I haven't been to a cinema since COVID and I'm not really confident going to one now, honestly - never been my favourite space.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Ponyfan on May 21, 2023, 03:30:06 PM
I've noticed a lot of the underwater scenes look dark.

For example, here's screenshots I took from Youtube from both the animated film and one of the trailers for the live action version.

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I know the bottom one is more true to life if someone did fall off a boat and was drowning, but it's a little hard to see.  I saw the same trailer I took the screenshot from in the theater last week and even in dark I felt like it was hard to know what I was watching even though I love the animated version.

To be fair, there are brighter underwater scenes, so I'm assuming they're going for a realistic day vs night palette.


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Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 22, 2023, 05:49:47 AM
It probably should be a whole lot darker, given the story it's based on.

I think they actually reference the original tale's ending in a lighthearted manner in this version:

Scuttle: "Has Ariel killed the prince yet?"
Sebastian: "Kissed, you bird brain! No, not yet."
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: alaskaallie on May 25, 2023, 06:48:48 AM
Hmm well I donnn't like the overly realistic flounder and sebastian, but idk what else they would do.... I haven't watched a disney live action remake since cinderella but I'm actually kind of excited for this one  :P I like the mermaid designs and I have no expectations for the rest so it'll be fun!
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: brightberry on May 25, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
My thoughts are that the original isn't going anywhere.  But I am happy they cast someone who can actually sing and sound like Ariel.  It's the music that I always come back to and it's just... really important to me.
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on May 28, 2023, 12:02:26 PM
Super quick review: it is gorgeous! Very very bright and colorful, nothing like those dark visuals we saw in the early teaser and trailer. They may have released the unfinished footage a bit too early.
I love the added story elements, and especially Eric's character gets fleshed out nicely.
The sisters didn't get a lot of screentime sadly enough.
I was apprehensive about Melissa McCarthy as Ursula when I first heard about that casting, but she really delivers.
Jessica Alexander's role as Vanessa may be small, but she owns it! Great performance!
Scuttle and Sebastian play well off each other, with some genuinely funny exchanges between them. Flounder isn't really around that much.

The shark chase in the beginning is really well done; amazing and captivating action there!

Great visuals on Under The Sea, but it does fall a little flat at the beginning when Sebastian is the only one carrying it. It picks up steam halfway through when all the other sea animals join in.

This one easily stands out among the live action remakes imo.

Definitely will be seeing it again!

Some tiny spoilers
Spoiler
Ariel's mother was killed by a human, and it is hinted at that Eric's father was killed by a sea creature.

Spoiler
Eric is adopted. The king and queen found him after a ship wrek and took him in.

Spoiler
Ursula altered the spell a bit, making Ariel forget that she and Eric have to share a kiss to seal the deal for good. This explains why she pulled away from him in the Kiss The Girl footage we saw in the trailer.


Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Beldarna on June 06, 2023, 02:28:59 AM
It was so gorgeous! It was a beautiful, colourful film that made me so happy. Totally worth the money to see it at the cinema. I liked the idea that all the sisters were representatives of each of the seven seas. They had mixed the order of some scenes so they came differently than in the cartoon and I'm not sure if it was good or bad so I guess it worked. Best part was Ursula as Vanessa. The actress had such a little role to play and she stole the entire movie, she was so good!

The downsides: Didn't like the actor who played Eric. He had a solo song and it sounded awful.. My ears crippled listening to him. Under the Sea felt a bit bland as only Sebastian was singing. It needed the choir!

Totally recommend a watch!
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Ponyfan on June 06, 2023, 09:32:19 AM
It was so gorgeous! It was a beautiful, colourful film that made me so happy. Totally worth the money to see it at the cinema. I liked the idea that all the sisters were representatives of each of the seven seas.


I was wondering if that's what they were going for when I saw the designs for Ariel's sisters. 

I might be seeing the movie sson.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on June 07, 2023, 02:53:51 PM
It was so gorgeous! It was a beautiful, colourful film that made me so happy. Totally worth the money to see it at the cinema. I liked the idea that all the sisters were representatives of each of the seven seas.


I was wondering if that's what they were going for when I saw the designs for Ariel's sisters. 

I might be seeing the movie sson.


Ponyfan

That's sadly enough only touched upon in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment in the movie; it's character development explored in a book. "Guide to Merfolk" or "Make a Splash", not sure which one, maybe both?

Anyway, it's a fun detail! And I especially love how the seven seas have different names than we are used to. I see reviewers bringing up the why of that change, but it seems pretty obvious to me that they would have different names. Indian, Atlantic, Pacific ocean, etc... are names given by humans; it makes sense that merfolk would have their own designation for the regions regardless of what humans use imo :whoa:
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: Ponyfan on June 13, 2023, 03:55:44 PM
I saw it today.  Overall it was really enjoyable.  I went in to it not expecting it to be exactly like the animated film and I think that helped me enjoy it more.

I didn't like Prince Eric's song. Not sure if it was the song or his singing, but all I could think of during it was "he sounds terrible. I hope he doesn't sing again and "I wish they'd kept the Her Voice song instead."

Spoiler
I felt the fact that Ariel had to draw blood by pulling a scale off her tail to start Ursula's spell was a nod to the original fairy tale.  In the original the sea witch cuts out the mermaid's tongue as part of the price she has to pay to become human.


I also liked that it's made very clear that Vanessa is using Ariel's voice that is trapped in the shell necklace. There's a scene where Ariel's voice is clearly coming from the necklace when Vanessa isn't wearing it.

Maybe I missed it but I felt like the Queen's lines about the human world and the merpeople world not interacting with each has some significance.

I love the original animated movie, but I thought it was interesting that in this version, Ariel's human dress remained on her after Ursula took her back in to the ocean until it got caught on a rock while Ariel was struggling with Ursula trying to get away from her.  In the animated version, the dress disappears as soon as they hit the water.

Also, the stuff about the Coral Moon seemed to just be thrown in there for something to replace the opening concert with.  I didn't really mind Disney changing it, but I felt like all of that was a little unnecessary and didn't really go anywhere.  It only served for a reason to bring all of the other sisters back to Triton's kingdom.

No mentions about the statue of Eric being a birthday present from Grimsby. It just falls off the ship once it starts sinking and breaking apart.  I noticed it when it fell, but someone who isn't familiar with the original might wonder what such a large statue was doing on the ship.   




Ponyfan
Title: Re: The Little Mermaid live-action
Post by: brightberry on June 25, 2023, 10:51:41 AM
I saw it finally last night.  It’s such a beautiful film and of course I loved Ariel’s singing.

I’m very fond of the original and watched it so many times it kind of lost its magic.  The live action brought it all back for both.
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