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Pony Corral / Re: Did G5 flop?
« on: March 28, 2024, 01:40:47 PM »
To be fair, I think G5 does stand on it's own, even with it's connection to G4, and being a sort of sequel - it still feels like it's own generation (which it is) due to it doing its thing and going by its own rules (the things that G4 established have changed for G5, so it's more like a sequel to its own take on G4, rather than G4 itself - there's already contradictions if it's literally a sequel to the G4 we saw) - so it's still its own thing, at least that's how I see it - and I feel that it honors G4 beautiful when it does follow it, so this isn't an attempt to separate it from G4, I just feel that it is its own thing, ultimately.

I can't say for sure, as I did start with G4, but G5 could probably be viewed without prior knowledge of G4, and the G4 ponies and the like they refer to could just be... "story building?" if taken out of context, like they could easily have just been created for this show, as historical/mythological/legendary characters/places/things, but they just happen to be from previous generations, which you (if you're somebody who started with G5) can later check out, when you realize this? I can only speculate, but I like they idea of a reboot opening the door for newcomers to its predecessors, while at the same time standing as its own thing (which G5 does, in my opinion.)

I can only speak for myself, but I both understand and don't understand how G4 was such a song and dance - I love G4, but a lot of what I love about it was present in the previous generations, and stayed present in future generations, yet I also get how it stood out from what was around at the time. I'm not saying that all other cartoons were bad (or that FIM was the only cartoon to do what I'm about to praise), but there seemed to be more focus on being silly/comical, which isn't a bad thing, but I was getting annoyed that there didn't seem to be any love or friendship in cartoons, unless it was included as a joke - I'm exaggerating, I'm sure, but I'm sure I remember feeling this, so when I discovered G4, I was happy to find a show that did have cute friendship moments taken seriously, and had the love that shows I grew up with had (other modern shows do this, as did/do previous/later MLP generations, but that's what made G4 standout for me above other shows - though all of MLP does for me, essentially (again, I know it's not the only franchise that is like this.)

That's just me personally, obviously other people got into G4 for their own reasons, and maybe some of it was the timing, which is awesome in a way, as I got to experience it, which I wouldn't trade for anything, but a shame on the other, as all the other generations deserve the exact same praise and following in my opinion, and I still hope that someday they can be given exactly that, but of course, I know that I and many others (bronies included) love the non-G4 generations (forgive the term, pure laziness, nothing more) and that will always be something, but I'd love for them to get the creative
 fandom treatment that G4 got (if I had more talent, I'd have done so much more for them, and hope that someday I can.)

Side Note: As much as I respect Lauren, it was actually My Little Pony that "introduced me to her", so to speak. I'd seen and liked other things she'd been involved with, but I didn't really check who was involved with them. I guess it just goes to show that the journey can always be different, even if the destination is the same.  :lovey:

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Pony Corral / Re: Did G5 flop?
« on: March 21, 2024, 02:05:49 PM »
[off topic but I adore the names of stores in the UK, they just are... cute!  no offense meant!]
It's more than fine. I never thought about it, but... it's cute that you find them cute, if that makes sense. ^_^

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Pony Corral / Re: Did G5 flop?
« on: March 14, 2024, 10:25:54 AM »
@MJSNEIFER, while I don't see people raging and cursing G5 (thankfully), I don't ever see much 'emotion' around it. Emotion is important for anything to last. It's also had a hard time in terms of when it's been launched/operational. Not the best economic climate.
There's been some hate on Twitter recently (though it's likely "those" type of bronies again - and if any good has come out of it, it's encouraged more G5 fans on that site to speak out, but it's still bad it happened) and as for "emotion", I've seen a lot of it on DeviantArt, but again this is online, so it's probably not the target audience, but the bronies and other older fans, again.

Toyline wise (which is, or should be, the selling point of My Little Pony - even with the shows being as awesome as they are, in my opinion) I'm not sure what they're doing - I used to always see at least one G5 Mane Five pony in Tesco, I'm sure, but now I don't, and I have no idea where G5 even is as a toyline, which is extra strange, because I'm sure I saw it said that Hasbro wanted G5 to have more of a toyline presence than an animated presence (though it would still be animated, which it is), though that could have been word of mouth, as I don't think I saw Hasbro themselves say it, just people talking about it.

Another thing (sorry if people have said this) it doesn't seem to be advertised - I don't see any toyline adverts for My Little Pony or any for the show really (I love Make Your Mark, but I don't think I've ever seen it officially advertised as being on Netflix, outside of possibly YouTube videos (which, you ultimately need to find yourself) you just have to know it's on there. Thinking of it, I rarely see any children's shows on Netflix advertised, if ever - not even on YouTube ads, so it seems like you need to go on Netflix and look around, or be part of the circle talking about that show/movie anyway...

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Pony Corral / Re: Did G5 flop?
« on: March 08, 2024, 04:09:21 PM »
In my opinion, no.

For a non-objective stand point, it's far too early - at worst it's only flopped if they give up now (assuming the sales aren't working, because I have no idea - I will admit, I barely know what the G5 toys are doing, and I get that's the be all and end all of My Little Pony) from an objective stand point, it's doing absolutely fine - Make Your Mark alone is beautifully written, and feels like something I grew up with, like My Little Pony should, and I honestly feel if they stick with these ponies, they'll continue to have something beautiful (I'm not saying they can't do a G1 and have new mane cast though - it would be a shame in my opinion, because I am so nostalgic for the current G5 cast right now, though.) I also know that Make Your Mark has ended, but there is a chance that the CGI G5 could continue under a new name.

I also don't think it's really relevant if something "flops" or not - a lot of now acclaimed movies were likely flops when they first premiered, it means nothing, in my opinion. I will also say that I have seen a lot of positivity (from bronies and MLP fans in general) towards G5 - there are flaws pointed out, some even the opposite of each other (some think G5 takes forever to have a storyline, yet I've seen one person, say that the Little Ponies don't take the time to have fun) - there are some G4 purists who don't like it, but they are G4 purists, that should tell you all you need to know. People are allowed not to like it themselves of course, but I love it.

Regarding the A New Generation cast: This is just me, but I didn't even know they were celebrities - I recognized two of them from Disney, and one from YouTube, but I honestly didn't know they were a higher "Letter-List" than the usual voice actresses - basically, all celebrities are the same to me, in a good way, like they're all equally famous, and deserve their spotlight - I know it doesn't work like that, and I realize now that the whole "A-list, C-list, etc." thing has nothing to do with how much I or anybody likes them, but is what type of celebrity they are (say, movie celebrity vs. game show host), but yeah, I didn't know they were that "big".

Regarding Hasbro not "letting go of G4": For one thing, it doesn't need to - all generations should be remembered and celebrated (if not, still used), all the way back to G1, and for the other, I think G5 stands on it's own perfectly. Yes, it is written as a sequel to G5 (albeit, a sequel to its own canon of G5 - and yes, it is it's own canon, I can go into detail on this), but it ultimately stand out on it's own, and is it's own thing, just like any other generation. I was unsure about it being its own sequel to G4 at first, and part of me still feels that linking generations should be left to fanon (or they could not link at all, it's up to you, that is the beauty of fanon) but ultimately, I feel they did it fine, as G5 ultimately stands on it's own hooves, and the link to G4 seems to be more of a starting off point, and some heart-warming nostalgia (they refer to G1 as well.)

So yeah, even if it does "flop" it doesn't matter, because I will always love G5, and so will it's fans, and I can tell there are a lot of us - like all generations of My Little Pony, it will be remembered forever, in my opinion.

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Pony Corral / Re: Rainbow Ponies Cartoon?
« on: February 28, 2024, 09:01:08 AM »

No idea who the blue pegasus in the concept art is meant to be. My first thought was maybe prototype Sprinkles? That or a miscoloured Medley, maybe. It's hard to say since there's so many other odd things going on, like the army of gargoyle dudes and Habit looking completely different to how he did in RaMC (to be fair he did end up having three different designs in the end, so I guess this was just the start of that?).
(God I love those gargoyle-looking dudes, though. The amount of detail in this art just blows me away.)
Sorry I'm late, but yeah, I can see her being Sprinkles, or just another pony (such as Medley, as you said) with incorrect colors - the lack of a symbol makes it hard to tell (kind of tempted to use the design for something, so wanted to see how "canon" she was...)

Agree on the gargoyle characters - especially as they pretty much all look unique from each other in their own way...

Another identification question; is the old looking character on the My Little Pony 'n Friends next to what I think is a dragon (I don't think it's a stratadon) supposed to be anybody specific (including non-pony shows, since they include Glo Friends and The Potato Head Kids here, but I have yet to watch those shows.)


Interesting that they spelt it "Tirek" here, I don't think I've seen that spelling used on anything official before (for the G1 character, I mean - I know that's how FiM spelt it for their Tirek character). I do wonder if the various differences/oddities were them working off an earlier version of the story or if they just goofed!
I was late to the party (started watching G1 in 2012), but I'm seen it spelled "Tirek" before the G4 version existed - I think it went back and forth, and I've seen other lesser known spellings too, I'm sure.

I do feel like I'd already gotten used to the spelling "Tirek" back when he was only a G1 character, despite "Tirac" making more sense phonetically, in hindsight.

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Pony Corral / Re: Rainbow Ponies Cartoon?
« on: February 19, 2024, 07:51:44 AM »
Thanks for answering, everybody. :)

I think there are always more questions than answers, but I'm wondering if it was simply that by the time they got around to doing a

nother animated special, the toy line had moved on. Or maybe they just used animation they had for the rainbow ponies commercial as a prequel, thinking they would be the line focus. I think I am right that only Starflower (?) is in the Escape from Catrina special.

The big flourish in that clip with the mane does seem more "from a commercial" than an actual tv series "look at her HAIR!".
The first thing you say is possible, thinking about it, seeing (at the time?) G1 based its animated cast on the toys being promoted, right? So it is plausible that they planned on a Rainbow Pony cartoon, but they were no longer the toys they were promoting...

However, your second point about the moment with the mane looking more like a commercial makes more sense - I don't know why I didn't think of this, but it does look like a strange thing to do in an actual episode (even taking things like "Maybe she's a pony who takes pride in her mane?" into account), but in an advert, it fits in more, I guess.

All I really know is that the animation comes from the Rainbow Ponies TV commercial.

But my opinion is that there is no long lost "Rainbow Ponies special" and it's just a rumour spawned from misremembering old VHS tapes/from only having half the story, so to speak (i.e. people having copies of the video but no access or information on the original commercial and not realizing the animation isn't exclusive to the RaMC ad).

I think it's just a generic "stay tuned for the next adventure" sort of spiel and they just happened to use that animation. Might have been that it was the most current ad they had at the time so they used it, or maybe they wanted to promote the Rainbow ponies at the time? There is the theory that that's why this girl exists:
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- because Hasbro wanted some Rainbow pony rep in the special.... who knows. Sounds plausible to me. Between that and the usage of the Rainbow ad animation, it definitely seems like Hasbro were focusing on the Rainbows at that point?

But I 100% think the animation was created for the toy advert FIRST and just reused for RaMC for whatever reason. (Or well, they were probably animated concurrently, I mean, the one shot is near identical to the opening shot of Medley and Firefly sliding down the rainbow in RaMC, right?)
Yeah, that's very likely the case. That people probably took what they had, and made assumptions based on lack of, and unintentionally misleading information (such as using footage from a commercial out of context in a "Check out the next adventure!" style promo) as you essentially said. The thing is, I'm sure I remember correcting people who thought it was a cartoon, that it was just a commercial back in the day, or at the very least saw these comments, and was sure they were wrong, but I got so wrapped up in "What if?" and how much it inspired me, that I ended up hoping.

And yeah, I too noticed the similarities between both animations (such as the waterfall scene), as though they're reusing from each other, or something.

MJNSeifer, you mentioned Danny, I think you're thinking of the concept art floating around for Catrina? Lemme see if I can find it...

Okay lessee. The MLP n Friends press pack has what I was thinking of - from Greeby's site (hope it's okay for me to direct link to the pdf!):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yuujZZV340joWWyKPN_RJ_d5-R4NEVtw/view

I think that's what you're referring to? It has the art w/ blonde Danny and winged Spike, etc.

That art was also used for the original US VHS release of Escape from Catrina:
https://vhscollector.com/movie/my-little-pony-escape-catrina

No idea what's up with that one. Early concept art, I guess. Heck maybe there isn't a story behind it and they were just noodling around with ideas, who knows.

fake edit: Taffeta ninja'd me again xD
The only Rainbow ponies that appeared in the cartoons were the RaMC one *points upwards*,
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Starflower

the press kit does have Flutterbye though, so I guess they were toying with including her at some point too?
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'd seen, like people seemed to be using the fact that the cover for Escape From Catrina not only had Danny appearing too early, but also featured two of the Midnight Castle ponies (and another Catrina VHS cover showing at least one Rainbow pony) as "evidence" that there was a lost Special - as though the (presumably non-existent) Special was scrapped before they could change the VHS art or something?

So yeah, it's probably the case that there was no lost Special in the end, which is a shame, but thanks to all who answered me (I'm toying with writing a G1 story or something of how it could have gone, though...)

It is indeed something how the press pack talks about Flutterbye as though she's an animated character, so yeah, maybe there was a plan to include her? As a bonus, thanks for linking to it - I love looking at pre-animation and behind the scenes stuff like that.

Also, regarding the press pack, does anybody know who the light purple pony on the Midnight Castle picture is supposed to be?

Thanks. :)

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Pony Corral / Rainbow Ponies Cartoon?
« on: February 17, 2024, 02:35:37 PM »
Hi. :)

I realize that this is real shot in the dark, but does anybody have any information about the apparently scrapped G1 Special that was supposed to be about the Rainbow Ponies (assuming there actually was one, and it's not just bronies mistaking a G1 commercial for lost cartoon footage)?

Like is there any information on what the storyline would have been, specifically (I have already heard that it would have supposedly included some of the Rescue at Midnight Castle ponies, though I don't know who, as well as the Rainbow Ponies, and would have apparently introduced Danny.)

Sorry if this isn't an actual episode in the end.

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Pony Corral / Re: Hasbro's Most Baffling MLP Decisions
« on: February 07, 2024, 01:40:49 PM »

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I also don't get why the Baby Ponies were treated like new characters, rather than just the younger version of the pony they resembled. I don't know if all canons did this (the cartoon did, and there's a comic that has the baby ponies being cloned from a mirror), but I find it strange that they made baby versions of the adult ponies, and made them new/different characters (I'll check what the toyline did, but the cartoon could have easily have had flashbacks to when the adult version of whatever baby pony they wanted to market was younger...)

Because mother-daughter sets / play is cute and endearing.   The babies look identical to the moms so that children can immediately identify which baby pony goes with which mom pony.  Also in the 80s Hasbro was all about collectibility, which meant collecting new characters.  I think their feeling was "If a kid already has Pony XYZ, why would they want a new version of her?"  Like, why would Baby Glory being "Glory as a baby" be any more engaging than "Glory had a baby who looks just like her"?  If they're separate characters, you can have Glory nuzzling her baby, putting on her diaper, and feeding Baby Glory her bottle.  If they're the same character that deletes the mother-daughter play and interactions between the toys wouldn't really make sense.

I mean you could make up a time travel plot, but what about when you don't want to have time travel, what about when you just want the ponies to go to a party?
To answer the last part, I was thinking more of an "episode" created with the toys that takes place when the ponies are younger or something (like the idea of a flashback in the cartoon), but yeah, I see what you're getting at - it does seem pretty cute that way. Good point.  :)

Ponies being Babified versions of themselves do not sell well.  As we have seen with newborn cuties and the g4 baby doll monstrosities. It is common and profitable in animal toylines to have family units either sold separately or together.

Plus some of the babies are slightly different from their parents, either by species, symbol, or color schemes. As seen with Baby Moondancer, Baby Sunbright, and Baby Milky Way. And you can mix n match families that don't have similar looking family members. Or that you don't have matching set to.
Understandable. As an aside; I'm sure I remember at least one person admitting that they misunderstood the point of the baby ponies, and thought she was the younger version of the pony, even with the symbol being different (they're justification being "I just thought she got more [symbol specific things] as she got older...") b

But yeah, good points all 'round on the G1 baby ponies. Thanks.  :good:

Going back to the Big Brothers, I think the idea was that they were meant to be 'big brother' type figures to 'little girls' collecting them, doing 'boyish' activities. Or something. I don't really know. In the UK the original set is called the Adventure Boy Pony set. We used Big Brothers in the second release in 1989, largely because we defaulted to a lot of US packaging design in 1989, but Adventure Boy seems a bit more logical.
That's a possibility, thanks. I don't think I knew the first set were "Adventure Boys" over here, or I forgot (I'm more familiar with the American terms, despite being English), but I personally feel that is a better term.

the GMs all having wings. None of which comes from development. I don't want to say 'they just made it all up!' but maybe they did. Maybe we're all just overthinking xD.
This is late, but at the very least, I can theorize that they were changed for storyline reasons - they needed some ponies who could all fly, so they all had to be pegasus ponies, and they also needed to have one of them fix the balloon with magic, so they made her an alicorn (decades before MLP used that term.) I don't know why these ponies specifically needed to be the Glow 'n Show Ponies, though (sorry if it was said in the thread, I kind of skimmed through) - I'm pleased they were, though, as this was my introduction to them, and I've loved them ever since.


I agree that the toys keep getting worse, but I think some magic must have happened for G1 to be created. Some alignment of talent produced a truly magical thing and that's certainly why I'm here.
Agree completely about G1 - I didn't even grow up with it, but G1 was always the toyline I'd look at back when I was getting into the entire fandom, and imagine how awesome and nostalgic it would have been to collect and play with them (and in a perfect world, be watching the show as well), and it's likely because of how imaginative the G1s are (and for the most part, that's without needing the toys to "do" something.) For the cartoons, I can imagine myself being a fan of pretty much all of them as a kid, and said cartoons tend to give that nostalgic feel for me, but toyline-wise, it's definitely the G1s that say "childhood" despite not being part of mine.  :lovey:

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Pony Corral / Re: Hasbro's Most Baffling MLP Decisions
« on: February 02, 2024, 02:17:28 PM »
Quote from: VanillaBean
Hasbro's questionable name choices are hilarious. My family held quiz nights on Zoom during lockdown, & I drafted a round where they had to guess which pony names were fake & which were genuine. Nobody got any of them right. I had to show them proof that somebody had actually named a children's toy Pillow Talk.  :lol:
I strongly suspect that with G1's perennial thirst for new names, people occasionally slipped in naughty suggestions to see if corporate would catch them. And some slipped through.
I still maintain that Pillow Talk is a cute and nostalgic name for a Little Pony, and may have just been something like "talking to your friends during a slumber party/sleepover" (she is part of the Slumber Party Gift Pack) - I have some (non-pony) books on tape that end with a segment where the two kids are talking before bedtime, and the book uses the term "Pillow Talk" for that too.

Ultimately, I just find it cute and nostalgic - the silly thing though, is that part of my nostalgia comes from me liking a song of the same name, and associating it with the pony, and I think that song does refer to the other kind of Pillow Talk, but I'd already associated it with the pony before really taking notice of that...

On topic of the thread (and keeping in the theme of names), I don't know why the Big Brother Ponies were so called, when (from the look of it - I am admittedly going by the cartoons here), they weren't brothers to any pony. I feel they should have done what they did with the Mountain Boys, and just given them their own collective name, like the [Something] Boys, each time.

I also don't get why the Baby Ponies were treated like new characters, rather than just the younger version of the pony they resembled. I don't know if all canons did this (the cartoon did, and there's a comic that has the baby ponies being cloned from a mirror), but I find it strange that they made baby versions of the adult ponies, and made them new/different characters (I'll check what the toyline did, but the cartoon could have easily have had flashbacks to when the adult version of whatever baby pony they wanted to market was younger...)

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Pony Corral / Re: Hasbro's Most Baffling MLP Decisions
« on: January 13, 2024, 11:22:59 AM »
The names are also overlapped on the US release of the tropical ponies, though not here, where the pony names are original.
That'll likely be what I was thinking of earlier - Yeah, I remember it being the Tropical Ponies that had the same names, thinking of it (can't remember for if I knew they had different UK names, though...)

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Pony Corral / Re: Hasbro's Most Baffling MLP Decisions
« on: December 18, 2023, 10:49:33 AM »
Not connecting FairyTails to MLP. It had a lot of potential imo
I know it's not the same/doesn't count, but I actually want to connect them in my fanseries, so thanks for the reminder. :good:

But yeah, FairyTails would have fitted in with the MLP world perfectly, or failing that at least give them a show (if they did have a show and I missed it, feel free to say.) I'm sure some of them had the same names as some G1 Ponies too, or one got the unused names of the other? (Might check later...)

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Off Topic / Re: Happy Holidays!
« on: December 16, 2023, 03:35:44 PM »
Happy Holidays to everyone here!

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Off Topic / Re: Let's help motivate each other to reach our goals
« on: December 16, 2023, 11:27:48 AM »
In addition to doing more writing for my projects, my ultimate goal for 2024 is to give my YouTube channel a lot more attention - I only uploaded one episode for my Animation Review Show this year, and that's supposed to be my main show...

Next year, I not only aim to work hard to get more Animation Reviews done, but to basically "be a YouTuber", and upload things more generally, like while I'm working on the things that take longer to finish (like the reviews), I'll do something that can ultimately be done in a day, like a Gaming episode, or a Vlog, and upload that.

I also aim to do some My Little Pony related videos in someway, in addition to obviously reviewing the cartoons.

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Pony Corral / Re: Hasbro's Most Baffling MLP Decisions
« on: October 29, 2023, 10:19:36 AM »
I think G4 is the one generation where it is hard to claim there are separate canons.

I mean, of course individual fans can have their own ideas, I don't mean that. But I just remember how at the height of G4, whenever you went near a brony space, you would see people insisting that certain things had to be seen a certain way or the person wasn't a fan (or even a human being, apparently).

Toys were expected to have show-accurate hair. 100% that never happened in MLP before.

So G5 is a successor to the canon those bronies drummed into the asphalt. G4 did not promote individual canons and nor did the most vocal elements of the fandom. The fact there are bronies like you, MJSNEIFER, who see things differently, is great - but we're still talking about a fandom, the vast majority of which struggled with the existence of prior generations (even if they did not actively mock them).

I don't have a problem with G5, I just don't care about it. The ponies, toys, show are all bland to me. But by the same token I think G5 needed that blandness, to neutralise the toxicity from the previous iteration.
Agree on those kind of bronies not getting it, but G4 itself was promoted into separate canons, like all generations - the toys, cartoons, comics, books, etc. were all their own canon, which bronies tended to miss (hence them referring to the comics as "non-canon" which is incorrect, they were just their own canon.) There is also stuff that contradicts G4's cartoon canon in G5, so it is likely part of it's own canon (somethingly, at least one thing about G5's canon actually aligns with my G4 headcanon... and it's one of the headcanons that bronies probably wouldn't agree with!)

I know what you mean about those kind of bronies though - I've seen them, and I thought they were silly even back then. They still exist today (and the same applies to those who view anything that isn't "cartoon-canon" as "non-canon") but I at least like to assume that it's getting better. I definitely know that it exists, and never got it, even back then (and I even admit that there are some established "brony headcanons" that I use, but only because I personally like them)

But yeah, what you're talking about is/was definitely a thing. Unfortunately. I think you're right and it connects to the fact that some bronies didn't acknowledge the previous generations, and thus didn't get how MLP worked and the like (and some didn't even get how fanon works, for some reason...) Thank you for being okay with the fact that I view things differently.

I personally don't find the G5 ponies bland, I get so much inspiration from the personally, same as I do with all generations, but I respect that you do. Basically for me, all generations are what bronies view G4 as, if that makes sense, but of course, that's just my own personal opinion.

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Pony Corral / Re: Hasbro's Most Baffling MLP Decisions
« on: October 26, 2023, 07:54:31 PM »
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instead [G5 is] this grim dystopian future where the Mane Six failed and are all presumably dead.
This is kind of off topic, but I keep seeing this view point, and I just don't relate to it, no offense. This isn't the vibe I get with G5 at all...

What I get from G5 is that the Mane Six were successful, and that friendship is still, and will always be, "magic", because of how easily things were put right - pretty much the worst of it was the A New Generation movie, and even that showed hints that the magic of friendship wasn't gone, it just needed to be rediscovered, and the fact that it still existed to be rediscovered shows that the Mane Six were successful, which is what I personally feel that G5 is trying to say - it's like saying that a marriage is bad just because you argue at times, but that's not how it works; loving someone doesn't mean never fighting with them, it means that you always make up when you do. That's ultimately a simplified version of how I look at G5 following G4, Equestria just had a bad patch, albeit one that lasted (in my headcanon at least) a few centuries, but a bad patch that could be solved, and pretty easily from the look of it (and yes, I get that's because they had to make it MLP as soon as they could.)

Also, as much as I love the Mane Six, I don't get the problem with them being dead in G5, as it's basically centuries in the future - of course they're dead, but they're still alive in their own time, so it's not like G4 ended with them dying (which in itself, also shows that if anypony did fail, it wasn't the Mane Six, as this all happened after their time, most likely.)

And in any case (though this seems to be something that a lot of bronies seem to miss), My Little Pony has multiple canons in each generation anyway, right? So if one wants to, they can view G5 as being a sequel to its "own" G4 rather than "our" G4 (and what "our" G4 is, is different to everyone, at the end of the day, or it should be because that is one of the beauties of My Little Pony) I mean, G5 already feels like it's own generation, with its own rules - it's just saying it's taking place after one of the previous generations as part of its storyline, but as everything else is going its own way, and the idea of how things work has again changed for this generation, it may very well be a sequel to the G5 version of events of what happened to the Mane Six, rather than G4 itself.

But at the end of the day, the overall vibe I get from G5 is that the Mane Six succeeded.  :lovey:

EDIT: And to be fair... G5 may not be that hated by bronies, I mean, those who hate it exist, but I've seen a lot of people (who are at least likely to be bronies) just getting on with it, and enjoying G5 - in some cases, it's probably just the kind of bronies who only like G4 to an excessive degree, and the haters being louder than the fans again (like with the bronies who hated the previous generations Vs. the ones that did.) I dunno, it's probably more balanced than it seems, at least. I also don't think that Hasbro are trying to discourage bronies (or at least G4 fans) either, as G5 seems pretty respectful and nostalgic towards it (and G1 for that matter) while still being its own thing.

And yeah (getting back on topic) I doubt that anything happened to the rights with the G4 ponies, the same as I no longer think anything happened to the rights with the G1 ponies - they just want to focus on the newer ponies (or the ponies they want to focus on.)

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