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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: CinnamonOnions on October 26, 2018, 11:30:02 AM
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So uh.. a few weeks ago I went to pick up my herds newest nirvana member. The mexican Perfume Palace pony. She should be pink, as in this: http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/File:Mex-perfume-puff.jpg
But mine is.. yellow/orange. The first picture doesn't even show how yellow she is. She has been rerooted, and in general some poor restoration attempt has gone to her. But she hasn't even been cleaned inside..? She had some dark dirt at the bottom of her hoove and she was all slimy outside. And whoever tried to "fix" her this didn't even exchange her rusting washer despite changing the tail itself,
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(Yes that's the tail exactly as I got it out as)
In general, her discoloration reminds me of a severe acne cream victim Thundercloud I saw here on Arena a while ago. I assume my Perfume Palace pony too has been cleaned with acne cream, but it could also be sunfading. Opinions on that matter?
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I know very few of this ponys origin. The person I bought her from had gotten it in some lot.
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If she seems to have been poorly restored, maybe that person followed some acne cream tutorial indeed. But at the same time, she seems to have her vinyl discolored right behind her symbols. Technically, acne cream victims get discolored locally where the cream was applied, isn't it ? In that case, shouldn't the symbol be completely erased at the moment that person cleaned her up ?
But that pony looks very suspicious. When in doubts, I'd consider her as an acne cream victim, but of course, there are more experienced people who can share their opinion.
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If she seems to have been poorly restored, maybe that person followed some acne cream tutorial indeed. But at the same time, she seems to have her vinyl discolored right behind her symbols. Technically, acne cream victims get discolored locally where the cream was applied, isn't it ? In that case, shouldn't the symbol be completely erased at the moment that person cleaned her up ?
But that pony looks very suspicious. When in doubts, I'd consider her as an acne cream victim, but of course, there are more experienced people who can share their opinion.
I was wondering the same yes. And she has the discoloration about everywhere, mainly on the back and on her face. Wasn't there a Thundercloud that had been treated with acne cream that was completely grey from his body? But more often yes, the discoloration is where the cream was applied. But then again, my Perfume Palace pony is mexican so the vinyl may be more poor quality than that of Hong Kong and China made ponies - so maybe it has more severe effects on these.
And her symbols are actualy quite faded as you can see from the second picture. I have no idea how was she before this attempted "restoration" though.
She is indeed suspicious, off colour and I got her rerooted tail and mane wise. Thank you though!
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Her symbols looks like it has been simply worn off by time. I suppose it would have been pretty much gone or very badly rubbed off if it was the work of acne cream.
Like you said, maybe her Mexican vinyl is a lesser quality, so the cream effect may have spread way out of the zone where it was applied back then, so, not the symbol, but maybe somewhere around it.
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Her symbols looks like it has been simply worn off by time. I suppose it would have been pretty much gone or very badly rubbed off if it was the work of acne cream.
Like you said, maybe her Mexican vinyl is a lesser quality, so the cream effect may have spread way out of the zone where it was applied back then, so, not the symbol, but maybe somewhere around it.
I agree. And makes sense, though some of the stars are straight up gone.
Yeah, that would make sense. Because parts of her face are awfuly more yellow than the rest and it looks like the discoloration may have started from spots, not to mention insides of her legs are still fairly pink.
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What if it was regrind ? Do you think this could be an option ? Now, it's hard to tell the difference, but I though acne cream whitened every pony vinyl, but I strongly think I might be wrong. Regrind, on the other hand, makes the plastic another color, making big blotches until the pony is fully converted.
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I do not think it was caused by acne creams. Long ago I ruined my childhood ponies with it and later a few others after experimenting, it looks different. It usually makes white spots, completely removes the colour. It's easy to see where it was applied. And yeah, it also removes color from paints.
It could be anything really. I once saw a similar discoloured pony. Someone had sprayed hair spray on her years ago and causing bad discoloration.
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What if it was regrind ? Do you think this could be an option ? Now, it's hard to tell the difference, but I though acne cream whitened every pony vinyl, but I strongly think I might be wrong. Regrind, on the other hand, makes the plastic another color, making big blotches until the pony is fully converted.
Isn't regrind usualy pink in colour though? I have not heard of yellowing or whitening regrind, especialy on this scale. And my ponies with regrind all have either bright pink spots or bigger pink spots that are quite light in tone. And it's more common in yellow ponies.
Post Merge: October 26, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
I do not think it was caused by acne creams. Long ago I ruined my childhood ponies with it and later a few others after experimenting, it looks different. It usually makes white spots, completely removes the colour. It's easy to see where it was applied. And yeah, it also removes color from paints.
It could be anything really. I once saw a similar discoloured pony. Someone had sprayed hair spray on her years ago and causing bad discoloration.
Ah I see! That makes a lot of sense, thank you.
I didn't even think it could be such as hair spray, but that makes a lot of sense. Thank you soo much, because now I atleast know for almost certain chemicals have done this to her. We just will never know what chemicals, at this point it's probably impossible to track even the person the seller bought the lot from.
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Thank you soo much, because now I atleast know for almost certain chemicals have done this to her. We just will never know what chemicals, at this point it's probably impossible to track even the person the seller bought the lot from.
It could be a combination of many things, but to me it looks like some chemical. Hairspray, perfume.. something like that. Especially because you said she was slimy outside? Who knows what happens to plastic over the years if something like that is applied on it.
Of course I can't be sure it's not creams, but I've used them so much over the years and in my opinion it just looks different. :)
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I'd agree this looks like chemical damage, if not acne cream that something else unfortunately. There's some serious bleaching that's gone on. It can happen that bleaching stains like that spread out under paint, depending on how many years it's been since the initial damage.
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Thank you soo much, because now I atleast know for almost certain chemicals have done this to her. We just will never know what chemicals, at this point it's probably impossible to track even the person the seller bought the lot from.
It could be a combination of many things, but to me it looks like some chemical. Hairspray, perfume.. something like that. Especially because you said she was slimy outside? Who knows what happens to plastic over the years if something like that is applied on it.
Of course I can't be sure it's not creams, but I've used them so much over the years and in my opinion it just looks different. :)
It could very well be, who knows.
And yes, before I washed her she was quite slimy.
It's okay, for me it's enough to be sure this has happened due to kids playing with chemicals.
Post Merge: October 27, 2018, 02:56:56 AM
I'd agree this looks like chemical damage, if not acne cream that something else unfortunately. There's some serious bleaching that's gone on. It can happen that bleaching stains like that spread out under paint, depending on how many years it's been since the initial damage.
Yep. I agree.
And definetly. That makes sense, thanks.
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If she's sticky it makes me wonder if it's plasticizer letching out from her. Maybe not what made her over colour change but could be in addition to whatever else is going on.
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The tail washer looks like a standard washer to me. Most Nirvana ponies have tails tied with string then have a washer with them.
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The tail washer looks like a standard washer to me. Most Nirvana ponies have tails tied with string then have a washer with them.
The thing is, her tail is a replacement obviously. (I forgot to mention it, sorry!) And I do not understand who would leave a rusting washer to a pony if they change the whole tail.
Post Merge: October 28, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
If she's sticky it makes me wonder if it's plasticizer letching out from her. Maybe not what made her over colour change but could be in addition to whatever else is going on.
Who knows. I can't imagine where has this pony came from if it's yellow, slimy, rerooted hopefuly for a good reason and has faded symbols.
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It's how Mexican ponies age, they go a bit patchy, especially the pink ones!
Love pkw xxx
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It's sun/age damage. I have a Mexi Firefly with identical damage that is only getting worse. I realized she was in a miniscule sunbeam that leaks through the blinds in the pony room and moved her. I also have a weird mash-up Mexican pony with Firefly's head that has never been in the sun at my house and has the same type of discoloration.
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It's how Mexican ponies age, they go a bit patchy, especially the pink ones!
Love pkw xxx
Most Perfume Palace ponies I have seen are either pink or yellowed, wich is why a color change this drastic feels really odd.
Post Merge: October 30, 2018, 10:57:26 AM
It's sun/age damage. I have a Mexi Firefly with identical damage that is only getting worse. I realized she was in a miniscule sunbeam that leaks through the blinds in the pony room and moved her. I also have a weird mash-up Mexican pony with Firefly's head that has never been in the sun at my house and has the same type of discoloration.
Thank youu!!!! Thanks a lot. Good to hear an explanation from someone who knows these odd ponies. I just have never seen this on the Perfume Palace pony so it felt odd, most images I found were of pink ones or somewhat yellow ones.
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Interesting! I learned something from this thread! :)
It's so tricky with the less distributed ponies (Mexican, Brazilian, etc) because sometimes they develop issues due to being made with a different type of plastic, paint, etc, that the Hong Kong / China ponies just never have. Like I've noticed on Greek ponies certain symbol colors fade / bleed like crazy, and Brazilian ponies have a different body plastic / texture that's kind of slick and almost tacky.
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Interesting! I learned something from this thread! :)
It's so tricky with the less distributed ponies (Mexican, Brazilian, etc) because sometimes they develop issues due to being made with a different type of plastic, paint, etc, that the Hong Kong / China ponies just never have. Like I've noticed on Greek ponies certain symbol colors fade / bleed like crazy, and Brazilian ponies have a different body plastic / texture that's kind of slick and almost tacky.
I agree! It's always fun to get new nirvanas just to see how they work. Some are so strange, and especialy washers seems to vary greatly. But yes that too. For example brazilian ponies are apparently more fragile, but in a different way to HK/China ponies? I have heard some collector say they have never encountered age spots or such in brazilians, but my friend who lives in Brazil and remembers G1s she saw as a kid complained about how poor quality they are. I don't own any brazilian ponies myself yet, but I'm supposed to be getting four via the said friend at the end of the year. Two of them are pretty much in severe state that would be considered bait in common ponies, so it will definetly be interesting.
And I have noticed that issue with greeks merely from pictures as well!
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I used to own some Brazilian ponies and their hair was just awful, I wonder if that's what she meant? It frizzes super easily and even when it's not frizzy, it's not silky. More like fakie hair.
Mine also smelled like mildew but I think that's because the seller sent them through the mail wet. (Yikes.)
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The hair on Brazil ponies is VERY fragile.
I have spoken to Brazil collectors, who had the ponies from new as children, and the hair frizzed as soon as the pony was removed from the card and first brushed :(
Mildew is NOT a pony smell! Wax crayons, baby powder, vanilla and soap are some of the scents of nirvana ponies have (ask Taffeta, apparently, I have a reputations for smelling ponies at PonyCon)
Love pkw xxx
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I used to own some Brazilian ponies and their hair was just awful, I wonder if that's what she meant? It frizzes super easily and even when it's not frizzy, it's not silky. More like fakie hair.
Mine also smelled like mildew but I think that's because the seller sent them through the mail wet. (Yikes.)
I think she meant the bodies as well. :'D and yes I have heard. I can only imagine though, but pictures already tell a lot about brazilian ponies hair quality. It's a pleasure one or two of the ponies I'm getting will need a rehair.
And oh eww! That's terrible. ):
Oh and, some other oddities of variants: I have heard peruvians smell like crayons! And colombians are made of heavy rubber apparently.
Post Merge: October 31, 2018, 11:38:28 AM
The hair on Brazil ponies is VERY fragile.
I have spoken to Brazil collectors, who had the ponies from new as children, and the hair frizzed as soon as the pony was removed from the card and first brushed :(
Mildew is NOT a pony smell! Wax crayons, baby powder, vanilla and soap are some of the scents of nirvana ponies have (ask Taffeta, apparently, I have a reputations for smelling ponies at PonyCon)
Love pkw xxx
I have heard about that as well, though I didn't know it's THAT fragile! With some brazilians I have seen pictures of the hair looks more like a ball of a plush toys stuffings than hair, honestly.
And yup. HK/China ponies tend to smell old and weird at times but mildew smell on the other hand is always a bad sign. Though I think LadyMoondancer was referencing to my mention of having heard age spots and such are very very rare in brazilians?
Also I'm curious, what nirvanas smell like vanilla???
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I'm glad that the mildew smell isn't universal! Poor ponies . . . I think the seller gave them a bath and then immediately packed them up. They were in a plastic bag which made matters worse because the moisture couldn't escape the plastic.
But . . . they were a very good deal. :P
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Even perfect Brazil hair is weird. I have one decarded by a collector (card was damaged in a way that could potentially harm the pony if left on it, but I don't know specifics) and the hair is shiny and smooth but the texture would never be mistaken for anything but Brazil hair. It feels slightly oily and heavier than normal pony hair.
It makes me wonder if it isn't some sort of saran or similar.
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I'm glad that the mildew smell isn't universal! Poor ponies . . . I think the seller gave them a bath and then immediately packed them up. They were in a plastic bag which made matters worse because the moisture couldn't escape the plastic.
But . . . they were a very good deal. :P
Possibly moldy inside too. ):
And a good deal is always a good deal, I'm not paying a lot for my four brazilian ponies either.
Post Merge: October 31, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
Even perfect Brazil hair is weird. I have one decarded by a collector (card was damaged in a way that could potentially harm the pony if left on it, but I don't know specifics) and the hair is shiny and smooth but the texture would never be mistaken for anything but Brazil hair. It feels slightly oily and heavier than normal pony hair.
It makes me wonder if it isn't some sort of saran or similar.
I have understood so yes. (Mildew covered backcards happen) Interesting though. :o Very interesting. All my nirvanas except italians and mexican baby North Star are pretty much bait so I have no idea of how they are supposed to be.
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The Greek ponies smell of vanilla :)
Skeen the Brazil hair is very fine indeed! I have met a de-carded Brazilian pony and her hair did feel oily, it was so fine and smooth. Saran is the closest thing to Brazil hair, but like you said you can't mistake Brazil hair for anything else ^.^
Brazil bodies do get issues, stickiness and patchy fading (I'm thinking of Sprinkles who seems prone to that), but it is the hair that is that stands out on them.
Love pkw xxx
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The Greek ponies smell of vanilla :)
Skeen the Brazil hair is very fine indeed! I have met a de-carded Brazilian pony and her hair did feel oily, it was so fine and smooth. Saran is the closest thing to Brazil hair, but like you said you can't mistake Brazil hair for anything else ^.^
Brazil bodies do get issues, stickiness and patchy fading (I'm thinking of Sprinkles who seems prone to that), but it is the hair that is that stands out on them.
Love pkw xxx
Ooh! Greeks get more interesting each day.
Sprinkles also seems the most vulnerable to head/body mismatch. I don't think I have even seen other brazilians with such amount of fading in their bodies or heads that Sprinkles seems to often come with.
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PKW a lot of time Sprinkles looks like those weird Blossoms (? might be thinking of Windy) that seem to bleed out their dye when cleaning them. They just get lighter and lighter and some places have kind of a watercolor look to them where the dye has come out and resettled!
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PKW a lot of time Sprinkles looks like those weird Blossoms (? might be thinking of Windy) that seem to bleed out their dye when cleaning them. They just get lighter and lighter and some places have kind of a watercolor look to them where the dye has come out and resettled!
Aaahhhhh I understand what you mean! It would make sense that it was just Sprinkles then as Parasol and Milky Way don't have the same problem, yet they are both pink.
Love pkw xxx
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It looks like the sun to me, but you may never know for sure. This is a Mexican pony someone sent me to fix after he had faded when she tried to sunfade away the sharpie marks. Definitely no creams used:
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Wow!! That is dramatic! Well . . . something sunfaded . . . It's just a shame it was the pony.
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Dramatic is the right word!!!! Poor Prince Ruby!
Love pkw xxx
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Ouchie - poor lil' pony. Pinks and reds are notoriously fickle, as are the 'non-mainstream' pony production lines who often used different base materials than the HK/China factories.
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He turned out ok!
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It looks like the sun to me, but you may never know for sure. This is a Mexican pony someone sent me to fix after he had faded when she tried to sunfade away the sharpie marks. Definitely no creams used:
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Thank you for the photo! According to a person earlier here, this is how mexicans age if kept poorly.
Post Merge: November 11, 2018, 11:13:40 AM
Ouchie - poor lil' pony. Pinks and reds are notoriously fickle, as are the 'non-mainstream' pony production lines who often used different base materials than the HK/China factories.
Can confirm, I found an Italy Cotton Candy that has faded dirty white this week. :wow:
Post Merge: November 11, 2018, 11:14:33 AM
He turned out ok!
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Nice! Is it's plastic still ugly yellow at parts?
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Nice! Is it's plastic still ugly yellow at parts?
It's a full body repaint. That's the only way I could hide both the sharpie and the yellowing and have him come out an even color. It was also really hard for me to tell what his original color was he was so blotchy.
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Yes, I too think that it was the work of acne cream. When I was trying to restore some of my mum's childhood G1s, I heard that acne cream actually helped the pony while most said that it worsened the condition and added yellow spots. I hope that you can find some solution though like painting over it because it really does suck when a grail is ruined. -_-
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Nice! Is it's plastic still ugly yellow at parts?
It's a full body repaint. That's the only way I could hide both the sharpie and the yellowing and have him come out an even color. It was also really hard for me to tell what his original color was he was so blotchy.
Ahh I see! Really good job on it though.
Post Merge: November 13, 2018, 12:35:54 PM
Yes, I too think that it was the work of acne cream. When I was trying to restore some of my mum's childhood G1s, I heard that acne cream actually helped the pony while most said that it worsened the condition and added yellow spots. I hope that you can find some solution though like painting over it because it really does suck when a grail is ruined. -_-
Apparently acne cream or another strong chemical would be the most logical explanation only if this was a China/HK made pony, but for ponies made in Mexico this is the way their plastic ages. So I was explained earlier.
And yep, I have heard those stories too and seen some pretty darn drastic damage caused by it.
And I'm horrible at painting, so I think it's safer to either dye her or try to accept how terrible she looks.
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I don't know - the way that the damage is concentrated only around the permanent marker areas makes me strongly suspect someone tried cleaning him with something very nasty. It's a classic look for acne cream victims - bleached out spots around old marker marks. Not saying that plastics can't age like that as well, but it's a bit suspicious being around every mark, and only the marks, no?
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I don't know - the way that the damage is concentrated only around the permanent marker areas makes me strongly suspect someone tried cleaning him with something very nasty. It's a classic look for acne cream victims - bleached out spots around old marker marks. Not saying that plastics can't age like that as well, but it's a bit suspicious being around every mark, and only the marks, no?
Could be cream, but it could definitely just be pure sunfading too, as sometimes people will wrap the rest of the pony up and only have the parts with the marks themselves exposed to the sun, so the rest of him may have just been covered up by something.
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Yeah, my assumption would be that the owner covered up the rest of him and left the marks exposed. He looks great restored!
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Selective sun exposure would make sense as well. UV is pretty powerful!