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Title: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: TornadoLovesMelody on May 26, 2019, 10:32:54 PM
Hi all!

A while ago I purchased this Trickles. Her previous owner couldn't tell whether whe was a custom or not.  :what:
 I like trotters so I thought that I'd like her regardless but others who have seen her have asked the same thing : Is she an ooak variant/ factory flaw? 


Her hair is really neatly rooted and her tail is still with washer and all.

I'm asking for your expertise, and if she turns out to be a variant - what would you estimate her value to be? I am not looking to sell her but would like to know for insurance reasons.

Here's my Trickles freakazoid  :inlove:  (with normal HK Trickles for comparison)

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Rooting and tail attachment
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Thank you for any help or input in the matter  :nerdy:
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: freezestime on May 27, 2019, 04:27:25 AM
I hope this Trickles is a variant but was her neck glued shut? There's still some of the original glue left on her neck so that might suggest something.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: allymer on May 27, 2019, 07:18:01 AM
never heard or seen a trickles with "posey" hair. I'm kinda thinking a rehair... who knows maybe even head switch ...also if a variant I expected the hair to look old but she looks like she fell off the card ... very interesting
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: freezestime on May 27, 2019, 08:02:57 AM
Friend, do you have Posey? Maybe compare Prickles to Posey and Trickles, to see if the plastic colour is different or eye colour is different. Maybe even compare poses?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: TornadoLovesMelody on May 27, 2019, 08:54:18 AM
Will do - Will compare to posey as well BUT as for her hair she received hair treatment at a friend of mine (She has magic fingers when it comes to making pony hair silky and smooth) so that is partially my fault for having her doing that :P
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Noasar on May 27, 2019, 09:48:52 AM
I’m leaning towards custom as the rooting in the mane looks almost too neat - doesn’t Hasbro also put glue on the rooting inside the head?

Could you have a look at the tail washer and clamp and see if it has been bent at all?

I really hope she is a variant, I am so cynical!
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: LadyPinwheel on May 27, 2019, 12:37:33 PM
I’m leaning towards custom as the rooting in the mane looks almost too neat - doesn’t Hasbro also put glue on the rooting inside the head?

Could you have a look at the tail washer and clamp and see if it has been bent at all?

I really hope she is a variant, I am so cynical!

I was going to say the exact same thing. It's too neat. And the texture of the hair... I'd say custom or head swap.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: lunar_scythe on May 27, 2019, 08:29:53 PM
The hair is braided like a factory hair job, thats for sure.  I would guess either head and tail swap or prototype, maybe?  Are her eyes the right color?
I would almost assume prototype before error/variant, do her symbols and eyes look normal close up, or are there any brush marks or anything like that?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on May 27, 2019, 10:58:23 PM
I think her hair colour is the same as Snowdrop. She's Snowle. Or Trowdrop... Hmm. Maybe stick with Snowle.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Noasar on May 27, 2019, 11:35:58 PM
I think her hair colour is the same as Snowdrop. She's Snowle. Or Trowdrop... Hmm. Maybe stick with Snowle.

Of course! She could be a snowdrop head and tail. Are her eyes pale blue?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Tiggums6 on May 28, 2019, 01:29:06 AM
I think her hair colour is the same as Snowdrop. She's Snowle. Or Trowdrop... Hmm. Maybe stick with Snowle.

What I was thinking. Snowdrop shade. Any idea of more background on the pony?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: freezestime on May 28, 2019, 04:13:08 AM
Friend, how similar is Prickles/Snowle's hair colour to the first colour of Trickles hair? In my opinion it's too dark to be Posey's colour.

To my knowledge the rainbow ponies all have the same hair colour and/or the same colour pattern in their release.

And I can't recall if Posey's line came out before Trickles release, but isn't it possible that this was the first of a new mold and they were using the first colour to see how well it would go in and how to glue it and stuff?

Or their machines were upgraded so they needed to learn the new controls or something? Or even teaching a new worker how to do stuff?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Tiggums6 on May 28, 2019, 08:45:27 AM
France had a purple haired starshoine, Trickles was made in Italy with this shade of coral hair, a few more examples too aren't there?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 28, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
Wow! What a curiosity!

What are her hoof marks? You didn't tell us that ;) I'm going to guess at Hong Kong from looking at her eyes, body and symbols?

Flower pony Snowdrop has no forelock :bigups: They have a double row of mane plugs rather like an Italian pony.

The hair looks to be "Munchy" colour or "Dusty Rose" to me on my screen. I think there are a couple of ponies with that colour hair. It's clearly not the same colour as the "Peaches n Cream" stripe in the "real" Trickles, so it's not a case of some getting over zealous in the factory.

The mane looks quite long, too long imho to be a Posey head that got over repinked and swapped.

The texture looks very new to me, but it could be TLM is good at grooming and styling ponies.

The rooting inside is neat, as Nosar pointed out they did use glue, but some ponies have lots and some have hardly any and in some it's crumbled away! I've dissected a LOT of ponies. The tuft at the end inside leads me to think it's a machine hair, rather than hand lock and loop rehair, but experience has taught me people can be very clever when it comes to doing thing, I mean, look at at the fakes of Reverse Gusty.

I need to go and look something up!

Love pkw xxx

Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on May 31, 2019, 07:04:15 PM
So the hooves are Hong Kong? 

She's a rehair IMO.  The hair color doesn't match up with any "real" early G1 pony colors.  It's a bit too dark / dusky to be Posey's color and it's not any of Trickle's colors either.   Very pretty, though!


Of course! She could be a snowdrop head and tail. Are her eyes pale blue?

!!!

That is a great point!

I was thinking her hair wasn't orangy enough to be Snowdrop's but color never really shows up true on a computer screen, so . . .
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on June 04, 2019, 05:30:46 PM
Snowdrop's hair is more of a salmon paste colour. (Yes, LAW, I went there again :D)

The pictured pony looks more like Munchy colour than Snowdrop as PKW said. It's not Snowdrop's hair and as PKW pointed out, the rooting style is wrong. Snowdrop, like most other ponies of that time period, has single length hair.

My sister's pony isn't in the best shape, but for comparison...

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Clearly not the same rooting style or shade. Also she's a lot more heavy on the eyeliner.

I think it's too dark to be any form of factory pink Posey. I have seen some intensely pink Poseys, esp magenta symbol Poseys when on card, but it's still not the same as that.

I am thinking at the moment that it is a repinked Posey head and tail. The head looks mildly different in colour to the body (which could just be vague mismatch but Posey and Trickles are not the same colour overall, and Posey's body is more translucent, which the head appears to be, and the body not).

Posey and Trickles both I think have green eyes. Also, the rooting inside the head would be still pink and it looks lighter than the hair on the outside, which seems a bit contrary unless that's closer to the original colour. I'm guessing but that's my theory right now. I have seen repinked ponies in that shade before.

The mane does look longer than my loose Posey, but the MOC Posey image I have on my site suggests a longer mane for her, so I'm not sure if the length is consistent. The hair looks very new so could be a reroot, but it's particularly hard to get a rerooted forelock to behave like that...

It would be great to have better comparisons of the heads/eyes...?



Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: aria_elwen on June 07, 2019, 11:51:26 AM
It looks a bit like someone nabbed the coral hair of nc Tickle in the factory and just used that.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: banditpony on June 07, 2019, 12:04:19 PM
Is the color on the inside of the head lighter? O_o Could it of been dyed?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Mermaid on June 09, 2019, 12:15:00 PM
It looks like a posey head that was repinked to me. The slight off color of the head versus the body makes me think that.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Noasar on June 09, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
I happened to open a Gypsy the other day to rehair her and the way the hair was sewn in was just as neat as the picture of this Trickles and she was definitely not a rehair. So that’s making me rethink this is a legit variant or factory error after all.

And the hair does look a bit lighter on the inside but I think that’s because of the shine from the camera flash/photo and not because of a dye job.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on June 09, 2019, 01:18:19 PM
The lie of the hair suggests its an original root, but I am still sticking with a dyed Posey head. I've seen similar results on actual Poseys in the past, but I would be interested to see a closer comparison of the heads...and the match up with head and body. As I said before, Posey is more translucent in the plastic, and that head looks translucent as well.

On another note - while finding new variants is always awesome, nothing should ever be signed off or assumed to be a variant until every. single. other possibility has been ruled out.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Noasar on June 09, 2019, 02:33:43 PM
Can we see the tail and washer TLM?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: banditpony on June 10, 2019, 01:31:51 AM
And the hair does look a bit lighter on the inside but I think that’s because of the shine from the camera flash/photo and not because of a dye job.

I disagree with that.. I'm terrible at explaining, but I am making a judgement on how the flash is blowing out the hair that's on the outside. The inside is not blown out (or over exposed) at all -- and some of it is even in a shadow.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Noasar on June 10, 2019, 06:33:17 AM
And the hair does look a bit lighter on the inside but I think that’s because of the shine from the camera flash/photo and not because of a dye job.

I disagree with that.. I'm terrible at explaining, but I am making a judgement on how the flash is blowing out the hair that's on the outside. The inside is not blown out (or over exposed) at all -- and some of it is even in a shadow.

Hmm yeah, actually I agree, on the 2nd and 3rd pic it looks very light and the neck ring has some suspicious pink staining.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 10, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
I have looked again at the pictures and I think she is possibly a dye job  :|

The roots inside her head are not a colour match to her hair, it is much to pale. Also as others said you can see what looks like dye on the neck seam?

I still think the hair looks long though :huh:

I still can't quite decide.

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on June 11, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
I have looked again at the pictures and I think she is possibly a dye job  :|

The roots inside her head are not a colour match to her hair, it is much to pale. Also as others said you can see what looks like dye on the neck seam?

I still think the hair looks long though :huh:

I still can't quite decide.

Love pkw xxx

I finally found a good picture that illustrates what I said before about MOC Poseys and longer hair...

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If that can happen, the pony in the photo definitely has hair within Posey limits.

I'm still persuaded she's a redyed posey head and tail on a Trickles body. I hadn't noticed the pink on the neck seam, but the shade of head to body is different enough to make it probable that's a Posey head.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 12, 2019, 01:15:02 PM
Thank you Taffeta! Wow her hair is longer than normal. I have not seen her before, all the Posey's I have had through my hands have had regular length hair.

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on June 12, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
Posey was issued a lot of times in a lot of places though. Batch variations are thus really likely.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 13, 2019, 10:01:28 PM
Posey was issued a lot of times in a lot of places though. Batch variations are thus really likely.

You are right, I was thinking that would be the case.

Let me guess ……..was 1986 in there somewhere??? :lmao:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on June 13, 2019, 10:04:04 PM
Posey was issued a lot of times in a lot of places though. Batch variations are thus really likely.

You are right, I was thinking that would be the case.

Let me guess ……..was 1986 in there somewhere??? :lmao:

Love pkw xxx

But of course!!

...Although the carded one above is 1985 I think...as it's US.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 14, 2019, 01:45:49 PM
It is US I think, I can just about make out a $ sign on the price sticker :)

It looks like the "Groom and Style" set back card.

While lookin at Posey on your website, I saw what looks like a carded longer have Posey here!

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/posey.htm

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on June 18, 2019, 07:51:22 AM
It is US I think, I can just about make out a $ sign on the price sticker :)

It looks like the "Groom and Style" set back card.

While lookin at Posey on your website, I saw what looks like a carded longer have Posey here!

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/posey.htm

Love pkw xxx

Yeah, it's definitely a US card, you can see that the artwork is US. I guess it might have had an import release somewhere else but in Europe at least they tend to be translated when it's the US artwork? It's the UK art that appears in Scandinavia without translation. xD.

And yeah, that was why I first mentioned the longer hair thing, only that picture on my site is tiny (><). I don't have a MOC Posey of any kind so I went looking for a bigger one. I guess it proves that it's across borders though...that card would also be 1985 not 1986..?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 19, 2019, 11:59:36 PM
Now I have my eye in I can clearly see the long hair vs. regular hair!

I had a look in my files and found I had saved this image from an eBay auction in 2009, I don't remember anything else about the auction, but it must have been UK eBay.

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Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: TornadoLovesMelody on August 14, 2019, 05:04:14 PM
Sorry that it has been so long - relationship issues and the like + phone broke.

I now have a new one with a better camera, yay!
So will take pictures of everything asked and post them asap <3
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on August 14, 2019, 11:09:52 PM
Sorry that it has been so long - relationship issues and the like + phone broke.

I now have a new one with a better camera, yay!
So will take pictures of everything asked and post them asap <3

Don’t worry about it :hug:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: TornadoLovesMelody on August 20, 2019, 09:50:58 AM
And so I'm back!
I got delayed and then the Arena broke down and I couldn't post any pictures but here we go.
Compared to two different Trickles (because one is never enough) and a very light Posey. I have plenty of Poseys too if we need more of those.


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The "regular" Trickles I am using here doesn't have as red symbols as the one used in the previous photos.

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As for the eyes they're like a mix between Posey, Trickle and Spanish Trickle but definitely not close to Snowdrop.
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the eye comparison sans Snowdrop (poor girl got booted)
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Sorry for the blurry pic- I couldn't get the camera to focus where I wanted it to.
The tailwasher was really stuck in place (as with regular ponies) and I had to push and squeese and use pliers to have it let go of her bum xD Tail color is pretty solid though.
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Here she is in all her decapitated glory
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The three Trickles compared to each other
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The hoof stamps are the regular Hong Kong ones.
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Here without the NC version
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Neck seam comparison
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The last strands of hair in here are white. But the rest is pink ( or salmon or whatever we are calling her hair color) inside her head.
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Post Merge: August 20, 2019, 10:01:25 AM

OH, right, and about the comments on the hair.

I am not the hair wizard, my friend Brittany is.
She can literally turn frizzy pony-fro into silk.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on August 21, 2019, 01:14:49 PM
Those are great pictures!

She looks nothing like Snowdrop at all, so we can rule a head swap out with her :bigups:

The hair last white plug at the bottom of the mane is weird!

Have you tried matching the hair colour of her hair with any other ponies in your collection? You may have already tried this (I am sure you would have)

I have a friend who is a hair wizard as well :lol:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: yellowGusty on September 23, 2019, 12:56:51 PM
Can she be white hair Posey's head and tail and they been repinked? Otherwise it would be odd to be white inside head not outside.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: HollowZero on September 28, 2019, 03:35:52 AM
You can see the white hair inside and outside of the head. There's a thin piece of white at the very bottom, near the neck.

From the pictures it does appear like white is either intermixed with the pink, or some other weirdness. The color doesn't appear uniform.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: freezestime on September 28, 2019, 03:54:33 AM
Is it possible that someone just grabbed a yellow pony in the same pose and gave it fading pink hair, then put it in a Posey package?

And somehow when it became faded someone repinked it?
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2019, 05:16:20 PM
Thank you for adding so many pics!

I still err on the side that she's been repinked, because of the single white area and the unevenness, like it sounds as though it hasn't taken properly? I've also seen people repink to that shade before, though it's not an absolute answer. In any way, I still feel that is likely. The pink rim inside the head also feeds into that probability, and it still looks like a Posey head to me, and a head/body mismatch suggesting a headswap.

We're talking about Posey head and tail if dying is what happened.

The unevenness of the hair colour could also have been contributed to by washing and styling if the hair colour isn't original.

Symbols can vary and so can the tone of the body between batches, so that doesn't answer the question one way or another. I think it's known that the 2nd set of rainbow ponies had at least 2 batches, as one set discolours quite easily with age and the other is more robust.

It probably is real pony hair and originally rooted, I am just not persuaded that it's originally that shade and that this isn't some kind of hybrid someone has created for whatever reason.

It doesn't sound like the neck was sealed when the pony was acquired either though I didn't see whether that was confirmed or not (sorry if I missed it, I just went through to check but didn't see it).

So my vote is still with custom. For whatever reasons.

She's still pretty though.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 02, 2019, 08:52:32 PM
I also think she's been repinked.  I think someone creatively swapped the head and tail of a faded-to-white Posey onto Trickles and repinked the hair.  That would be a classic "early custom" move because originally not many people knew how to reroot hair.

Edit:  Also looks like her eye has been painted?  Not the whole thing, but the iris (colored part) and part of the white portion on at least one eye?

You can see it best in this pic:

http://tornadolovesmelody.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/20190816_130410.jpg

Which could point to this previously being a bait-box pony who was given new life.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on October 03, 2019, 03:56:02 PM
Those are great pictures!

She looks nothing like Snowdrop at all, so we can rule a head swap out with her :bigups:



Yes, it's agreat photo and you cna clearly see the colour difference
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: Taffeta on October 05, 2019, 10:53:53 AM
I also think she's been repinked.  I think someone creatively swapped the head and tail of a faded-to-white Posey onto Trickles and repinked the hair.  That would be a classic "early custom" move because originally not many people knew how to reroot hair.

Edit:  Also looks like her eye has been painted?  Not the whole thing, but the iris (colored part) and part of the white portion on at least one eye?

You can see it best in this pic:

http://tornadolovesmelody.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/20190816_130410.jpg

Which could point to this previously being a bait-box pony who was given new life.
Wow, nice catch. It does look that way.
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 05, 2019, 08:10:08 PM

Yeah, it's definitely a US card, you can see that the artwork is US. I guess it might have had an import release somewhere else but in Europe at least they tend to be translated when it's the US artwork? It's the UK art that appears in Scandinavia without translation. xD.



Totally off topic! But actually, the US cards weren’t translated in Scandinavia either, or not in Norway at least. I couldn’t say for sure about Sweden/Denmark;)

Exciting reading about Trickles! I wouldn’t know either way- but it is always interesting following these posts!
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: TornadoLovesMelody on October 06, 2019, 05:23:41 AM
Thank you all for your answers and help!

I will have to have a look at her eyes again to see what you mean   ^.^

I think, since so many seem to agree on re-dyed hair, that I will classify her as a custom pony then :blush:
Thank you, again, for all your help, input and clever comments  :lovey:
Title: Re: Is this a legit variant?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on October 08, 2019, 09:55:29 AM
Don't be :blush: if in doubt always ask, I would have asked as well.

She is an interesting pony :D Please keep her in your collection.

Love pkw xxx