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Title: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: joeybuddy96 on November 13, 2018, 02:39:40 AM
As far as I can tell, the original 1984 special "Rescue from Midnight Castle" hasn't been released in unedited format since the VHS Children's Home Library version. Redundant cliffhangers are one thing, but whole songs are another. According to http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Special, "a scene including the 'Little Piece of Rainbow' song had been edited out," aka Moochick's song.
The DVD release of Escape from Catrina edited out a scene with the song 'Those Good (Before You Turned Bad) Old Days'. The special originally had unique bookends. http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_Escape_From_Catrina
Fact check any of this stuff, I'm just going by wiki pages. Is it possible to get a DVD version with the deleted scenes restored? If not, I'm guessing VHS versions have the original unedited TV specials.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Ponyfan on November 13, 2018, 03:03:12 AM
I think the VHS that came with movie Firefly (in Heart Throb's pose) was the last time the original "My Little Pony special/"Rescue at Midnight Castle" was released unedited but it was renamed "Firefly's Adventure" for the new Firefly release.


All the official DVDs have used the My Little Pony and Friends versions of both speicals so there is no DVD that has the original versions. "The Glass Princess" also lost a song in part 4 called "Hurry" that hasn't been seen since MLP and Friends first aired on TV.

I think Hasbro/Subbow either lost or destoyed the missing parts of the episodes.  The VHS versions of "My Little Pony/Rescue at Midnight Castle/Firefly's Adventure" and "Escape from Catrina" are complete. The first  VHS release version of "The Glass Princess" (on Little Golden Book VHS) is also missing "Hurry"


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Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Sunset on November 13, 2018, 04:02:56 AM
You are correct.  I would further add that the first special, originally just called “My Little Pony”, had the snippets from the opening and the end credits cut.

I have the original release vhs of RAMC and I keep thinking I ought to see if someone can digitize it.  I don’t watch it often because every time I put it in the vhs player (yes, I still have one!) I’m worried that the player will eat it or that the tape will snap.

I pitched the idea to the Basic Fun Facebook account that they ought to release a gift set with the uncut version on dvd along with the mystery rainbow pony.  The person I talked to seemed to like the idea but I don’t know if it ever went further than that.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: LadyMoondancer on November 13, 2018, 04:38:58 AM
Correct . . . No DVD release with the full specials.  They just have the "MLP & Friends" versions, which were cut down to make room for commercials etc.  Really sad.

In addition to cutting out a song, the RaMC shorter version edits out a lot of the charming intro to the ponies.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Shaz on November 13, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
My girlfriend had the Biggest Ever My Little Pony Video when she was little (this one: http://mylittlewiki.org/w/images/a/ae/Mlp-vhs-biggest.jpg) and it had uncut versions of both Rescue from Midnight Castle and Escape from Catrina. I can't find out when that video was released, but she bought it in 1997.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Carrehz on November 18, 2018, 04:02:56 PM
My girlfriend had the Biggest Ever My Little Pony Video when she was little (this one: http://mylittlewiki.org/w/images/a/ae/Mlp-vhs-biggest.jpg) and it had uncut versions of both Rescue from Midnight Castle and Escape from Catrina. I can't find out when that video was released, but she bought it in 1997.

oh neat, I didn't know this! Thanks for sharing!!

The TV edit of "Catrina" cuts the ending credits, too - plus there's a weird glitch/error/whatever in the "Dressed Like A Dream" sequence where some of the animation is erroneously repeated (which isn't present in the original cut). I wish there were DVD releases of the uncut copies... although sadly I do think it's very likely that the originals were destroyed/replaced/no longer exist. :(

(I wish we could find the animation for "Hurry", too.)
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: joeybuddy96 on November 27, 2018, 12:04:16 AM
Thanks for all the replies, people. It's way easier doing this with feedback.
A little bit of background in case someone wants to acquire the intellectual property rights to Rescue at Midnight Castle/Firefly's Adventure/My Little Pony.
Children's Home Library was a division of Vestron Video, which was purchased entirely by LIVE Entertainment, which then sold most of it's Vestron properties to Lion's Gate Entertainment. I assume My Little Pony (1984) is one of those properties (especially considering Lionsgate was the distributor of the modern MLP: The Movie). It's out of print.
Some clarification and disambiguation on what I summarized regarding the My Little Pony Special (which was never called the MLP Special). "It originally aired with the single title only, My Little Pony, a la Star Wars, then had a secondary title applied to it when it aired in two parts during syndication: Rescue at Midnight Castle. At this point, Rescue at Midnight Castle was still airing in its original, uncut version. Rescue at Midnight Castle is not to be confused with the later edited release called Rescue from Midnight Castle. There aren't two versions of RaMC--there's just the unedited aired television special which was never seen on VHS called RaMC, and the edited version that later aired and was eventually put on DVD called RfMC. After it had been in syndication for a while, My Little Pony was released to VHS in its original television special length, this time titled Firefly's Adventure. RaMC was never released to VHS. My Little Pony was released to the PAL VHS format for the UK as My Little Pony in Dreamland.
http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/File:Video14.JPG
In 2003, almost two decades after the original airing of My Little Pony, Disney started airing edited versions of the original series: this particular entry was edited and aired as Rescue from Midnight Castle.
According to http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Special, "a scene including the 'Little Piece of Rainbow' song had been edited out."

With regard to getting it backed up and archived, it's probably best to use a US NTSC copy of the tape anyway. Pretty sure transferring something from NTSC to PAL introduces data loss. They're selling for around $25 online. I couldn't find any copies of Firefly's Adventure online. There's a company called digitalfaq that does tape to digital storage transfers. I looked into buying the equipment and doing it myself, but in order to preserve the quality of the media as much as possible it would take about $1000 worth of equipment. I don't have that in my budget right now. I imagine the tape transfer expenses would be pretty affordable if a video transfer company was to be hired, especially for a half-hour tape. That would only produce a personal copy and wouldn't settle the IP rights issue for mass distribution.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/services/video-conversion-streaming.htm
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: kitkatvintage on November 27, 2018, 02:00:23 AM
I really doubt that the intellectual property rights would be up for grabs to mass produce unedited versions off a VHS tape. Hasbro surely still holds the rights to their most popular 80's cartoons for DVD releases, airing on Netflix, and any other possible uses.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: LadyMoondancer on November 27, 2018, 04:15:07 PM
Hasbro reacquired the entire Sunbow library, including the G1 specials, MLP & Friends, and MLP Tales, in 2008.  There is 0% chance they will sell off any of the rights.  (However that doesn't mean a complete version couldn't be snuck onto KissCartoon or other sites of questionable legality, if someone were able to make a clean rip from a VHS.)

My guess is Hasbro does have the full copy of the specials somewhere, but are not versed enough in pony lore to actually know that the syndicated versions are missing footage.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Carrehz on November 27, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
there's just the unedited aired television special which was never seen on VHS called RaMC, and the edited version that later aired and was eventually put on DVD called RfMC. After it

.....what? No, I'm pretty sure all TV versions of the original special were edited..

Not sure what you're trying to do tbh but FWIW here's what I have written down for the specials:

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

There are uncut versions of the specials floating around out there... your best bet really is to find a decent VHS and copy it onto a DVD like I have, lol.

semi-related - anyone know when "Hurry" got edited? Was it edited after the first airing or when the show came to the Disney Channel? I've heard both so idk. It's hard to find anything about that one...
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Ponyfan on November 27, 2018, 06:32:53 PM

In 2003, almost two decades after the original airing of My Little Pony, Disney started airing edited versions of the original series: this particular entry was edited and aired as Rescue from Midnight Castle.
According to http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Special, "a scene including the 'Little Piece of Rainbow' song had been edited out."





Disney Channel aired the My Little Pony and Friends episodes and My Little Pony Tales in early 90's. Sometiems they aired two parts of the My Little Pony and friends episodes and sometiems it was two Tales episodes but I think all of the episodes had the MLP Tales opening whether it was Tales or MLP n Friends.


 
there's just the unedited aired television special which was never seen on VHS called RaMC, and the edited version that later aired and was eventually put on DVD called RfMC. After it

.....what? No, I'm pretty sure all TV versions of the original special were edited..

Not sure what you're trying to do tbh but FWIW here's what I have written down for the specials:

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

There are uncut versions of the specials floating around out there... your best bet really is to find a decent VHS and copy it onto a DVD like I have, lol.

semi-related - anyone know when "Hurry" got edited? Was it edited after the first airing or when the show came to the Disney Channel? I've heard both so idk. It's hard to find anything about that one...


Also there are two versions of the original US box, a clamshell case and a regular slipcase. :)  I never realized there were different title cards for Rescue at Midnight Castle.


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I'd love to know about "Hurry" and why it was cut. I'm pretty sure I didn't see it when it was airing on Disney Chanel.


This audio seems to be all that's left of "Hurry"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jPBKVShFg


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Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: LadyMoondancer on November 27, 2018, 07:40:32 PM
Kim Shriner used to sell VHS (copied from her home recordings) of the old MLP & Friends series.  I imagine the animation for "Hurry" was on them since, from what I remember, her site was the source of the Hurry audio.  (She used to have a 'song of the week' feature, which was quite a novelty at the time because Youtube etc didn't exist.)

So if anyone knows someone who bought the MLP & Friends copies from Kim . . .
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Taffeta on November 27, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
My girlfriend had the Biggest Ever My Little Pony Video when she was little (this one: http://mylittlewiki.org/w/images/a/ae/Mlp-vhs-biggest.jpg) and it had uncut versions of both Rescue from Midnight Castle and Escape from Catrina. I can't find out when that video was released, but she bought it in 1997.

I was actually just wondering how the UK slipped into this being that I don't believe we ever had MLP air on TV in the eighties and only had the eps all released on VHS. (I think we were also missing one episode in those releases, maybe Through the Door). I do remember that we had MLP airing on...possibly Sky 1...in the middle 1990s. My sister had that biggest ever vhs and that would probably have been around the same time to be honest. Still have it somewhere.

@LM- ironically I have some stuff on VHS from Kim but only MLP Tales. Ironic because I'm kind of on the wrong side of the world xD. I have a VHS with all her adverts on but I'm pretty sure I don't have one with the basic friends series.

On a note re My Little Pony in Dreamland. I think we also still have that VHS and I may be wrong but I am 99.9% sure it's not called that on the episode. And paying attention to what the UK puts on its video and DVD cases is a bad idea given that somewhere along the line it starts using G2 ponies on its DVD cases for MLP Tales...xd

Regarding NTSC and PAL I think it's the case that NTSC has fewer frames per second and lines than PAL. That's why it's fine for people who have a PAL VHS system to watch NTSC video but it doesn't work the other way. I think with modern systems its possible to do a lot more than it was in the past, but I do have some old VHS from the US and from Japan (also NTSC) which I can play just fine. However with video of the adverts that I mentioned before, I wasn't able to put them onto the PC to back them up to DVD without them losing their colour. So you probably need some kind of compatible equipment. I think it's probably harder to do from the US with UK videos, though, given the fact that I don't think US machines have ever been able to play PAL video. Even with DVDs today, I think I'm right that although Japan has region 2 like Europe, their DVDs are still NTSC and ours are still PAL...

I am not a technical person though so may be totally wrong with that. It's been a long time since I tried to back up a VHS and certainly a non-UK one, since mostly we've backed up family tapes.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: joeybuddy96 on November 27, 2018, 10:09:45 PM
Hasbro reacquired the entire Sunbow library, including the G1 specials, MLP & Friends, and MLP Tales, in 2008.  There is 0% chance they will sell off any of the rights.  (However that doesn't mean a complete version couldn't be snuck onto KissCartoon or other sites of questionable legality, if someone were able to make a clean rip from a VHS.)

My guess is Hasbro does have the full copy of the specials somewhere, but are not versed enough in pony lore to actually know that the syndicated versions are missing footage.
Eeyup. Even if Hasbro did have the missing footage and did know about it, Hasbro probably doesn't realize (or maybe just doesn't care) that the unedited version is worth something to collectors.

Thanks for all that info, Carrehz. I was trying to bring consistency to the naming convention and make sense out of why it kept changing, but what I'm seeing instead is that it's been inconsistent since the edited-for-time version aired under the title Rescue from Midnight Castle during the MLP 'n Friends run. Now I'm wondering where the title "Rescue at Midnight Castle" first appeared, since the special originally had no title beyond "My Little Pony." If I go by your notes, it looks like the title Rescue at Midnight Castle first appeared on the first run of the US DVD.

Ponyfan, since MLP Tales started its cable broadcast July 3, 1992 and finished its original episode run September 25, 1992, they couldn't have broadcast any episodes of MLP 'n friends before then. Since they started mixing in MLP 'n Friends episodes in at some point between then and 1996, the timeframe for when all of the various specials and episodes started being cut for time is sometime between October, 1992 and December, 1996.
http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Category:My_Little_Pony_Tales

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Kim Shriner used to sell VHS (copied from her home recordings) of the old MLP & Friends series.  I imagine the animation for "Hurry" was on them since, from what I remember, her site was the source of the Hurry audio.  (She used to have a 'song of the week' feature, which was quite a novelty at the time because Youtube etc didn't exist.)

So if anyone knows someone who bought the MLP & Friends copies from Kim . . .
:O Anyone with that specific tape could probably sell it for upwards of $100, at least.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Taffeta on November 27, 2018, 11:26:29 PM

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Kim Shriner used to sell VHS (copied from her home recordings) of the old MLP & Friends series.  I imagine the animation for "Hurry" was on them since, from what I remember, her site was the source of the Hurry audio.  (She used to have a 'song of the week' feature, which was quite a novelty at the time because Youtube etc didn't exist.)

So if anyone knows someone who bought the MLP & Friends copies from Kim . . .
:O Anyone with that specific tape could probably sell it for upwards of $100, at least.

I wonder about that. I'm not sure that the G1 animation is so sought after/popular that someone would shell out three figures to acquire a taped-off-air copy of an episode because of one missing song. I feel like if that was such a priority then someone would've digitised her episode copies already, since there'd have been a demand...

The VHS I have from Kim (MLP Tales and the adverts) were clearly recorded in the eighties as the adverts were also taped by coincidence in breaks from MLP and also Jem (which she also had a full set of episodes for). So it makes sense that she would've had whatever originally aired prior to any cutting done for cable.

So I know nothing about the production of MLP specifically but I am trying to remember exactly how it worked for Jem since the writer and other individuals associated with the show have interacted heavily with the fandom for years and lots of information has therefore been transmitted about the workings of that show. Since Jem ran at the same time and featured crossovers in artists and writers, as well as the same company of production, it makes sense...albeit Jem was not so longlived in terms of its material success. IN any case, I know that the scripts for episodes in Jem's case were with the writers. And that master tapes for the songs were with the music production people. It thus makes sense that any master recordings of animation would not have been with Hasbro but with Sunbow or the studios that produced them. There's no real reason for Hasbro to have copies of something which was created essentially as a form of advertising for the product that mattered back then, which was the toy. Whereas now I can see them keeping heavy logs of animation as the crux of their toyline, I am not sure that happened back then.

Hasbro R.I also seem to have reconstructed aspects of their G1 database since the 1990s. I imagine they kept SOME stuff but aside from selling the moulds off (which are arguably more important to G1 MLP production than the shortlived and sporadic animated adventures) they also made it clear when I wrote to them in 1995-6ish that they no longer had anything relating to G1 in their records. So if the tapes existed, they may not do so now. Or they may be in the hands of the people involved in the production.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Ponyfan on November 27, 2018, 11:46:45 PM
Years ago I heard that a pony collector did have a copy of “The Glass Princess” that included “Hurry”  at one time but that they had taped over it, not realizing that “Hurry” would be cut and never put back in.  This person said the song showed Megan, the ponies and the bushwoolies working through the night to weave the fake cloak out of bushwoolie fur and finishing just as the sun came up

I think “Hurry” might have been cut after it first aired but before MLP n Friends aired on Disney Channel. I just looked at the VHS Little Golden Book copy on Ebay and it has a copyright date of 1988

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Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: LadyMoondancer on November 27, 2018, 11:52:30 PM
The original molds weren't sold . . . Some may have snuck out in the hands of employees (I've seen the head-mold for the Skyflier pose) or lingered in Hasbro's vault, but most were probably melted down to make other molds.  The same way so many of the original Doctor Who tapes (from the 60s) were taped over.  I know this was a problem when they started reissuing G1 Transformers in the 2000s.  The fans were clamoring for Predaking, but the mold had been destroyed.

In the late 90s Hasbro would not have had any of the Sunbow features, as Rhino Entertainment owned the rights at that point.  Then Sony Pictures acquired the rights.  Then the rights bounced around from company to company until Hasbro reacquired them in 2008.  :)

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Years ago I heard that a pony collector did have a copy of “The Glass Princess” that included “Hurry”  at one time but that they had taped over it, not realizing that “Hurry” would be cut and never put back in.  This person said the song showed Megan, the ponies and the bushwoolies working through the night to weave the fake cloak out of bushwoolie fur and finishing just as the sun came up

This is the summary I've heard of it too. 
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Taffeta on November 27, 2018, 11:57:49 PM


In the late 90s Hasbro would not have had any of the Sunbow features, as Rhino Entertainment owned the rights at that point.  Then Sony Pictures acquired the rights.  Then the rights bounced around from company to company until Hasbro reacquired them in 2008.  :)


Which would suggest that whatever Hasbro has may well be the cut versions anyway, as manifested by DVD releases.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Ponyfan on November 28, 2018, 12:28:30 AM
When Shout Factory went to Hasbro to get the masters for all the episodes of Jem many fans complained after the boxed set containing all the episodes was released that Shout Factory had used the “wrong masters” as some of the episodes were different from the same episodes on the Rhino releases of Jem. Shout Factory explained many times that the masters they used were the only ones Hasbro had at the time. I think the same thing happened to the original unedited versions of MLP and Friends.

I think the “To Be Continued”  was also left out of every multipart episode of MLP and Friends except “Revolt of Paradise Estate” as well as “In Our Last episode

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1xsJWxLk3kE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOrttsABUc0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5KSCrN6WPeA






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Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Carrehz on November 28, 2018, 02:44:54 PM
I know I saw the "previously on.." segments online some time ago. I'll have to try and find them again. I know that Shout Factory's Tales DVD had the commercial bumpers, which makes me suspect that Hasbro probably doesn't have anything like that for MLP and Friends or probably they'd have wound up on the DVDs too.. if that makes sense?

FWIW I'm also in the "the uncut copies probably don't exist any more" camp.

joeybuddy96 - I'm not sure when exactly the change from "Rescue from.." to "Rescue at.." occured, or why. :/ It's all very confusing, I've been trying to figure it out for years now.

I think the weirdest thing about it is the Catrina/Katrina change. RaMC having multiple titles I can sort of understand, but why go out of their way to alter the spelling of Catrina? Weird.

Taffeta - I have that VHS and I can confirm the "Dreamland" title is just on the box. The special itself is 100% the same as the US VHS (at least the original one - haven't got the "Firefly's Adventure" VHS but I assume that's the same too?).

Ponyfan - ooooh I've never seen the slipcase before, thanks for sharing!!! I love seeing MLP videos ^_^
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Taffeta on November 28, 2018, 03:08:16 PM


I think the weirdest thing about it is the Catrina/Katrina change. RaMC having multiple titles I can sort of understand, but why go out of their way to alter the spelling of Catrina? Weird.
Am imagining a feud in the screenplay department spilling over into the animation studio xd.

Who writes RaMC and Escape from Catrina, incidentally?

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Taffeta - I have that VHS and I can confirm the "Dreamland" title is just on the box. The special itself is 100% the same as the US VHS (at least the original one - haven't got the "Firefly's Adventure" VHS but I assume that's the same too?).
I also have never had this video so can't confirm. I remember that my sister and I between us from carboot sales accumulated all the UK vhs we could find and never found a tape with (I think) Through the Door on it - but I can't remember whether different vhs versions from different time periods demonstrated different features. I also remember that when they aired MLP on Sky 1, we didn't have it but a friend of my sister's was recording all of them and lent my sister the tapes. I recall End of Flutter Valley being in episodes rather than a full length thing.

I don't remember Through the Door appearing on these tapes either, though I saw many episodes for the first time when that airing happened in around 1995. Also MLP Tales for the first time. I anm not sure why Through the Door (If I am remembering right which episode) might not have come to the UK. Any ideas?

THere's also definitely a difference between the VHS version of Revolt of PE I had as a kid and what's on the US release DVD, for what it's worth. I knew that episode so well as a kid that watching it on the DVD made me go, huh? I think the DVD has a scene or something that the VHS doesn't...
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: LadyMoondancer on November 28, 2018, 03:15:13 PM
George Arthur Bloom wrote both specials and the G1 MLP movie.  Also the G1 Transformers movie and "The End of Flutter Valley".  :)  He also did some Tales episodes.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Ponyfan on November 28, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
I know I saw the "previously on.." segments online some time ago. I'll have to try and find them again. I know that Shout Factory's Tales DVD had the commercial bumpers, which makes me suspect that Hasbro probably doesn't have anything like that for MLP and Friends or probably they'd have wound up on the DVDs too.. if that makes sense?

FWIW I'm also in the "the uncut copies probably don't exist any
more” camp.

I think the weirdest thing about it is the Catrina/Katrina change. RaMC having multiple titles I can sort of understand, but why go out of their way to alter the spelling of Catrina? Weird.


Ponyfan - ooooh I've never seen the slipcase before, thanks for sharing!!! I love seeing MLP videos ^_^

I agree. I think what made it on to the Shout Factory version is what Hasbro has and that Hasbro no longer has the uncut versions of the specials of MLP n Friends.

I think the slipcover version of the original US VHS is a little rarer than the clamshell version as I’ve only seen the slipcase version a few times.

Fun fact: When I was watching MLP on the Disney channel I was always dissaiopinted when the Moochick’ song was cut and hoped it would be included next time they ran the episode not realizing it would be missing every time. :silly:

I don’t think it gets mentioned as much “Little Piece of Rainbow” but I think the 2 part episode version of Rescue at Midnight Castle also deletes the short  scene where Applejack was licking the applesauce/smashed apples off of Glory also.




THere's also definitely a difference between the VHS version of Revolt of PE I had as a kid and what's on the US release DVD, for what it's worth. I knew that episode so well as a kid that watching it on the DVD made me go, huh? I think the DVD has a scene or something that the VHS doesn't...


That’s very interesting. :)

Ponyfan
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Carrehz on November 29, 2018, 08:23:44 AM
I don’t think it gets mentioned as much “Little Piece of Rainbow” but I think the 2 part episode version of Rescue at Midnight Castle also deletes the short  scene where Applejack was licking the applesauce/smashed apples off of Glory also.

Yeah, that did get cut short in the TV version. They cut out a lot of the opening theme sequence.

I have a VHS that has a 'full' version of "The End of Flutter Valley" - pretty sure it's the same as the version that's split into parts, it's just that it isn't.. split into parts. :p I wonder if all the multi-part episodes existed like that..
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: mlp4me on December 03, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
I need to re-watch the vhs copies of episodes I have to check which songs are there or not. You guys have me curious now...
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Taffeta on December 03, 2018, 05:30:47 PM
I don’t think it gets mentioned as much “Little Piece of Rainbow” but I think the 2 part episode version of Rescue at Midnight Castle also deletes the short  scene where Applejack was licking the applesauce/smashed apples off of Glory also.

Yeah, that did get cut short in the TV version. They cut out a lot of the opening theme sequence.

I have a VHS that has a 'full' version of "The End of Flutter Valley" - pretty sure it's the same as the version that's split into parts, it's just that it isn't.. split into parts. :p I wonder if all the multi-part episodes existed like that..

I am pretty sure I have that VHS too, but remember the first time I watched TEoFV was from my sister's friend's recorded episodes from Sky 1 and they were episodic (I remember feeling like it went on forever >< Not my favourite animated adventure...).

I keep saying this as though it is fact but it's my understanding that the UK didn't have MLP air on TV until that Sky 1 airing in the mid 1990s. Just the release of several VHS over the eighties and into the early 1990s. Can anyone else deny or confirm? I ask because it may explain why there are versions not split into episodes - some for VHS release. I am not sure if the US had all the eps on VHS, I don't seem to hear about many specials on VHS except the obvious candidates there - but there were so many here that cover pretty much the whole lot...maybe they were done that way for international markets?

I also somewhere have French videos for a couple of these. Also a French DVD I think, unless I got rid of it. Although obviously not in English, I am now wondering which version of the episode these were made from and whether they include these cut sections...

Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Ponyfan on December 03, 2018, 06:08:20 PM
I don't have all of the US VHS releases (I only have My Little Pony and Escape from Catrina)  but I looked on Ebay and found these other MLP VHS tapes.

"My Little Pony Fugitive Flowers /A Little Piece of Magic"

"My Little Pony The Golden Horshoes/The Prince and the Ponies"


"My Little Pony Mishmash Melee/Baby's It's Cold Outside"


My Little Pony "The Glass Princess"


My Little Pony "Flight to Cloud Castle"/"Pony Puppy"

My Little Pony "The Revolt of Paradise Estate"/"Sweet Stuff and the Treasure Hunt"



My Little Pony "The Quest of the Princess Ponies"



I think Bright Lights might have also been released on VHS but I can't find a copy on Ebay right now.

Rhino also released some episodes on VHS/DVD around the same time they were releasing Jem around 2004.


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Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Carrehz on December 03, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
I also somewhere have French videos for a couple of these. Also a French DVD I think, unless I got rid of it. Although obviously not in English, I am now wondering which version of the episode these were made from and whether they include these cut sections...

Damn, I didn't even think about foreign videos/DVDs. It'd definitely be worth checking them.. I wonder if "Hurry" was dubbed at all or if everyone got the censored version.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Shaz on December 04, 2018, 09:39:23 AM
I also somewhere have French videos for a couple of these. Also a French DVD I think, unless I got rid of it. Although obviously not in English, I am now wondering which version of the episode these were made from and whether they include these cut sections...

I have a German DVD of Rescue at Midnight Castle, it's split into two episodes and there's no "Little Piece of Rainbow", much to my disappointment.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: aria_elwen on December 04, 2018, 08:18:20 PM
Hi Taffeta I can both confirm and deny with regards UK.

I asked my Mum tonight and she knows she watched the Specials on either ITV or channel 4 prior to 1986 with my older brother. (I can date that closely as she knows she watched it prior to moving in 86).
She thinks she might've also watched the film. She knows she definitely watched something that involves parts which indicates the series may have also aired. She reckons an early Saturday morning slot. Interestingly though she thinks the film may have been aired in parts.

I know for a fact that Sky1 aired it in the early 90s as part of their Fun Factory slot as I have a number of episodes recorded but I'm not sure where all the tapes are.
It was not shown as My little pony and friends however, it was simply aired as My little pony. My understanding is none of the "friends" shows were aired here. My little pony Tales was also aired in the same slot.

With regards VHS release, Glass Princess was an incomplete release as it didn't have pt 4 on the tape. :(

I had My little pony in dreamland i.e the specials.
The film.
Flutter valley.
Tambelon/Pony Puppy/Sweet Stuff's treasure hunt
Glass Princess
Little Piece of Magic/ Princess Ponies

I know Baby it's cold outside was released as was Bright Lights as I remember seeing the tapes in Woolworths.
I know one story also got releaed as part of a my little pony and friends release as I had a friend with it but I don't know the episode.

Looking on ebay it looks like episodes were released multiple times in various combinations.

Interestingly the CITV wiki page lists MLP  as part of their former programming but I don't know where they got their info or when it aired.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Taffeta on December 05, 2018, 09:27:55 PM
@aria_elwen, thank you! That is interesting and useful! I remember watching a lot of shows contemporary with MLP as a kid but neither my mother nor I remember MLP airing. But I was 4 in 1986, and I only really got totally hooked on MLP from 1986-7 so may not have noticed. I was very attached to Red and Mokey fraggle prior to that ;) It's possible the specials aired but maybe MLP & Friends didn't.

The 1990s airing is the one I remember as well, that my sister's friend taped (as we didn't have cable) and then loaned us the tapes. That would've been in around 1995 I think. All of the episodes (unsure about Through the Door mind you) were aired in that airing, but I was really talking about the eighties on terrestrial TV, when I was a small pony-target-audience age kid (I was 13 in 1995).  MLP Tales was also definitely aired in this slot as well so I am pretty sure we are remembering the same thing. But that's obviously much later and I think after most of the VHS were released.

As a kid I had 2 VHS, one I bought myself and the other I had really early so don't remember getting it but played it obsessively. That one was Ice Cream Wars/Revolt of PE and the other was Sweet Stuff and the Treasure Hunt/Would Be Dragonslayer. I never saw any other episodes until carbooting and the Sky 1 airing in the middle 1990s so I always wondered what happened with airing the series here.

MLP The Movie (as you say, the Film as it was marketed here) is advertised as being in cinemas in 1986-7 but I was scared of the cinema as a kid so I don't remember if it actually was in the local cinema to where I was living! I would think that would make its vhs release at earliest around 1987, so if it was on TV around that time I'm surprised I never saw it :/ My sister and I would take over the living room on a saturday and sunday morning from really early till around elevenish to watch kids tv so if MLP had been on we'd have seen it. UNLESS if it was on ITV, it aired regionally...which is not impossible.

Aside Through the Door I am certain there are UK PAL Vhs tapes for every episode and for some more than one with different combinations of episodes. Except maybe the MLP Tales. NOt sure how much VHS they got, and even DVD. I kn ow there's a full series US DVD and maybe an aussie one, but not sure there's been a UK one. Just a selection of episodes. (Can't remember if they're on the Girl Power DVD compilations but perhaps they are).
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: joeybuddy96 on December 23, 2018, 04:08:46 PM
I've worked more on the chronology. I'm lacking the release dates of Pinkie Pie's Special Day and Meet the Ponies. The mlp wiki gives their release years, but since they were shortpacked into toy releases, they don't have the usual thorough date documentation that one might find with TV and movie releases. I usually just give a placeholder date of January 1st if I don't have more precise dates. I'd like to be able to buy the DVDs apart from the toys, since I don't collect toys and since it drives up the price of whatever I'm buying.

The G3.5 webisodes Sweetie Belle's Gumball House Surprise and Pinkie Pie's Ferris Wheel Adventure apparently only appeared online and were never released to DVD. I've seen posts stating that they were included in the playsets, but eBay listings easily confirm that there were no DVD releases included. I'd like to find the Flash files as they appeared on the Hasbro website. They're on YouTube, but raster graphics don't have the same clarity as vector graphics. Again, the release dates are absent apart from the year they were released.

So Many Ways to Play and Over Two Rainbows were originally included as a DVD titled Once Upon a My Little Pony Time. I can't find more than one reference that says the DVD was included in a toy release. If it was, it would have been with a Newborn Cuties playset, not with a pony. I can't find any eBay listings for the DVD, but I have seen images of the outer DVD slipcase; I'm going to assume the DVD does exist. Even if the DVD does exist, it probably isn't going to include the Flash version.

Here's the link to the WIP. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/167f6JIrnf_aVNVDsWJuY5jOgiIzi5G3LvpkzajSsWoY
The most expensive videos to buy are via iTunes and directly from Shout! Factory. You get the highest resolution from blurays first (or really the original Flash files of anything), iTunes streaming second, DVDs third, and VHS fourth. It would cost about $475 USD to get everything from the list, not including the above mentioned shorts that apparently can't be bought anywhere.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Taffeta on December 24, 2018, 05:17:28 PM
Regarding the DVDs in playsets/not in playsets, there are sometimes toy releases of basically the same thing, some with and without DVD (like with or without breezie or other things) depending on time of release, region of release, etc - so it may be that they did come on DVD but that they only did so in certain regions or at certain times. That would mean that MIP items wouldn't always have a DVD included, but it doesn't rule out toys coming with DVDs. (I also don't really like DVDs with toys, tbh).

Also toy releases in the US at least have a pretty firm schedule of release or at least a planned one. Here in the UK it's all over the place but even then it is possible to nail down probably release times for certain things. It may well be that the information for the release of the DVDs you're uncertain about can be found with sites where the release of those sets is more specifically noted than the Wiki.
Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: Ponyfan on December 26, 2018, 01:01:59 AM
I agree with Taffeta  :) I can confirm that when some of the early G4 ponies were released with the mini DVDs there were some that were packaged without the DVD. I really wanted a Wedding line Lyra Heartstrings without the mini DVD and found one. When I posted pics a lot of people were surprised that mine didnt’t include the DVD.

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Title: Re: Chronology of television and movie releases WIP
Post by: aria_elwen on March 12, 2019, 08:39:52 PM
Well.... this was a weird find on youtube...

Incontrovertible proof that My little pony the movie was on ITV for Christmas/December 1987.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDH3C4apjiE Michaela Strachen doing the introduction/continuity for the film.