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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Mana Minori on September 26, 2020, 05:58:28 AM
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Sooo, this is interesting to me, and maybe it will be to others here. It mildly surprised me, but I feel like this was to be expected....
Some interesting news about the upcoming My Little Pony movie surfaced today.
Imalou, known in the fandom for her many gorgeous pieces of G4 related fanart over the past 9 years, has revealed that she has done freelance work on the upcoming movie. In the past 3 years Imalou worked both at and with Boulder Media, an Irish animation studio acquired by Hasbro a few years ago, as part of the effort to bring a new cast of ponies to the big screen next year.
While Imalou's work on the movie was completed this week, we still have to wait a little while before we can see the results. As of now the movie is scheduled to release on September 24, 2021. So just a little under a year to go!
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Their gallery:
https://www.deviantart.com/imalou
Given the history and nature of g4 and into fandom, was such a thing to be expected involving the next generation? How might you see this shaping gen 5, with a respected g4 fan artist being held up as prominent and being involved in some significant way in the next gen? Is it worrying? Is it a good thing? Share your thoughts!
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My ambivalence hasn't changed. I'm merely taking a wait-and-see attitude.
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Oh hey, this person was in the Pony Life server. That's cool!
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Don't think I've heard of her, but good for her! I'm sure it's not the first time MLP fans have been involved with Hasbro... Lauren Faust posted her fanart on dA before FiM was a thing, after all ;)
I'm sure we'll see more of this in general across the animation industry, since everyone's on the internet these days. I know of one or two other people who I followed on dA back in the day, that are now working on Disney shows and such.
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I totally forgot about the next movie! This is really cool. :)
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I think the only concern I would have would be that someone involved in the G4 fandom is maybe involved in G5. But if that is coincidence and it's entirely about the art, rather than the G4 fandom, then I'm all for it and good for her.
I just don't want any G4 influences escaping from G4 if it can possibly be avoided. I want a reboot to be a reboot and a new generation should be entirely new.
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I think the only concern I would have would be that someone involved in the G4 fandom is maybe involved in G5. But if that is coincidence and it's entirely about the art, rather than the G4 fandom, then I'm all for it and good for her.
I just don't want any G4 influences escaping from G4 if it can possibly be avoided. I want a reboot to be a reboot and a new generation should be entirely new.
:thumb: :iconclap:
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I think the only concern I would have would be that someone involved in the G4 fandom is maybe involved in G5. But if that is coincidence and it's entirely about the art, rather than the G4 fandom, then I'm all for it and good for her.
I just don't want any G4 influences escaping from G4 if it can possibly be avoided. I want a reboot to be a reboot and a new generation should be entirely new.
I'm conflicted as I loved G4 so much, but we also got a huge long run. So while I adore the characters, I'm also excited to see something brand new from the franchise. Whatever comes out of it, I know I'll give it a shot. I'm not hard to please but I think I'm mostly with you that I would like something truly new and fresh.
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I'd say it's a good thing - I love it when fans of something get to be involved in the thing they're a fan of, be it a new version or the same thing.
I just don't want any G4 influences escaping from G4 if it can possibly be avoided. I want a reboot to be a reboot and a new generation should be entirely new.
I don't agree with this completely, I'm afraid, because the idea of a reboot for me is that, even if it does end up mostly being it's own thing, it should at least get something from what came before, even if it's just a simple "Oh, that's kind of like what that version would do..." it doesn't have to do that, but it's nice when it does, even if it's ultimately it's own show, because I like the idea of a reboot at least knowing where it came from, if that makes sense - I'm mostly this way, because that's the way I tend to reboot things; they're still ultimately my version, so more so than others, but they still have nostalgic shout-outs for what came before. No offense.
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I just don't want any G4 influences escaping from G4 if it can possibly be avoided. I want a reboot to be a reboot and a new generation should be entirely new.
....Is it wrong to think the first mental image I got when I read this was of someone in a pony costume escaping from a psyche ward with a knife in hand, and running toward g5? XD
Just the way you worded it.
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I saw that yesterday and thought it was amazing news. I love her artwork^^
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I just don't want any G4 influences escaping from G4 if it can possibly be avoided. I want a reboot to be a reboot and a new generation should be entirely new.
....Is it wrong to think the first mental image I got when I read this was of someone in a pony costume escaping from a psyche ward with a knife in hand, and running toward g5? XD
Just the way you worded it.
And I thought I put it so tactfully ;) xD
In terms of keeping G4 themes into G5, I figure a lot of people who came in with G4 will feel a bit that way and it's understandable. The thing is that when you've been a fan of MLP for longer than G4, you're also used to the idea of a complete reboot being the basis for a new generation. While all of us have our favourite generations, there's a kind of expectation now that new gen = new world and new ponies.
I think it would be a shame if that did not happen with G5, but it is not really clear what Hasbro is thinking or whether they want to hang onto the coat tails of the mane six to try and milk another generation out of the pony franchise. Personally I think that it's a road that's very hard to reverse back up - it sets in stone the idea that MLP is no longer an entirely new concept each reboot. It makes it harder for something completely new to happen going forward, while also potentially stagnating the ideas around MLP and finishing the line once and for all. It would be hard to compete with and beat G4 by hanging onto its ideas and themes. Better to compete with it by completely revising it.
I'm a G1 person but I have things I love from every generation. The things I love from those generations are often things not found in G1. I don't like G4's nods to G1, particularly, and I didn't see the need for G3 to use names like Applejack, Sand Dollar, Moondancer etc either.
The thing you have to realise, if you're not sure about shifting on from G4 is that you run the risk of them taking something you love and tainting it by reworking it in a way that's not the thing you originally came to love. While it's probably more difficult to let go of G4, the only thing worse than letting go of something that ends naturally is seeing it slog on painfully where it shouldn't be.
There's literally nothing from G4 that needs to be kept in G5. Not ponies, not world, not mould style, not character, not artwork. None of it. That doesn't mean there aren't awesome things in G4. Just that they've run their course.
Time for something new. *shrug*.
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I'm a G1 person but I have things I love from every generation. The things I love from those generations are often things not found in G1. I don't like G4's nods to G1, particularly, and I didn't see the need for G3 to use names like Applejack, Sand Dollar, Moondancer etc either.
Hasn't Hasbro been doing this since the beginning tho? Even G2 had recycled names.
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I love it when fan artists get official work. A bunch of the Transformes fan artists are doing comic covers and collectible cards too. (Especially a lot of the female artists--I think there are more female fan artists than male in TF.)
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I'm a G1 person but I have things I love from every generation. The things I love from those generations are often things not found in G1. I don't like G4's nods to G1, particularly, and I didn't see the need for G3 to use names like Applejack, Sand Dollar, Moondancer etc either.
Hasn't Hasbro been doing this since the beginning tho? Even G2 had recycled names.
G2 nothing, G1 had recycled names! Salty, Buttons, Misty...
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I'm a G1 person but I have things I love from every generation. The things I love from those generations are often things not found in G1. I don't like G4's nods to G1, particularly, and I didn't see the need for G3 to use names like Applejack, Sand Dollar, Moondancer etc either.
Hasn't Hasbro been doing this since the beginning tho? Even G2 had recycled names.
G2 nothing, G1 had recycled names! Salty, Buttons, Misty...
Not in the UK, Gingerbread aside. And as she was also sold here as Molasses, it's a bit academic.
I think G2's repeat names are mostly within G2. Is "Prince Firefly" the same as "Firefly"? Not really persuaded. And again, "Sundance" is not an actual G2 name outside of the US. She's Sunsparkle in English in Europe, as all later versions of her demonstrate.
Only North America has real problems in G1 and G2 with name repetition, hence why it stood out to me in G3.
But that's kind of aside the point I was making, which I'm pretty sure is obvious, but in case it wasn't, I was saying that each generation brings its own new things to the table and that is what is good about having generations that don't hang onto previous generations.
Not quite sure why that got twisted into semantics about repeated names...
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While I like her art and it's very good, I'd like to see the 5th generation of My Little Pony not use a rehash of the Faust style (please). I know they said that the movie is supposed to kind of connect the two generations but with a whole new cast of ponies... however, the Faust style is getting a little too old for me, same with mimicking styles.
As far as names being reused... I don't mind so much... there are only so many you can do to a degree for some (and so far for me G4 had some of the worse names made, some of which I believe were pulled from the fanbase)
All the Generations have reused names from both within their respective generation as well as previous generations (with Gen 1 being the only one to recycle names in it's own generation as there were no other pony generations before it), some just didn't do it as often.
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I’ll admit when I saw your title I felt a thrill of panic; there are many, many creepy artists in this fandom it seems. I’m so glad that someone without a long and storied history of creep-dom gets a chance to go pro! Good for them!!
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We don't know what precisely they're working on either. Could be background design. Could be random animals. But yeah no more faust crap please, I really hate it, and I say this to Hasbro, not the person. Because they are going to draw whatever they're told to and it will be how hasbro wants it. I don't begrudge this person their success for the record.
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I haven't heard of this artist, but good for them!! It's great to know that people who really care about mlp are working on this movie.
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I'm a G1 person but I have things I love from every generation. The things I love from those generations are often things not found in G1. I don't like G4's nods to G1, particularly, and I didn't see the need for G3 to use names like Applejack, Sand Dollar, Moondancer etc either.
Hasn't Hasbro been doing this since the beginning tho? Even G2 had recycled names.
G2 nothing, G1 had recycled names! Salty, Buttons, Misty...
My favorite is Pink Dreams, which Hasbro used on two ponies in the same year. :P Edit: Same year as the two Saltys, ha ha!
Anyway, I don't mind reused names and I think references to other gens are fun.
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I'm a G1 person but I have things I love from every generation. The things I love from those generations are often things not found in G1. I don't like G4's nods to G1, particularly, and I didn't see the need for G3 to use names like Applejack, Sand Dollar, Moondancer etc either.
Hasn't Hasbro been doing this since the beginning tho? Even G2 had recycled names.
G2 nothing, G1 had recycled names! Salty, Buttons, Misty...
My favorite is Pink Dreams, which Hasbro used on two ponies in the same year. :P Edit: Same year as the two Saltys, ha ha!
Again, not here, as technically neither were available in the UK.
The name Salty also doesn't exist here.
But again, this is really irrelevant to the point being made about different generations being different.
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I'm a G1 person but I have things I love from every generation. The things I love from those generations are often things not found in G1. I don't like G4's nods to G1, particularly, and I didn't see the need for G3 to use names like Applejack, Sand Dollar, Moondancer etc either.
Hasn't Hasbro been doing this since the beginning tho? Even G2 had recycled names.
G2 nothing, G1 had recycled names! Salty, Buttons, Misty...
My favorite is Pink Dreams, which Hasbro used on two ponies in the same year. :P Edit: Same year as the two Saltys, ha ha!
Anyway, I don't mind reused names and I think references to other gens are fun.
I know the flutter pony, but who was the second Pink Dreams?
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The "Soft 'n Sleepy Newborn" (really big blinking newborn pony) was the second one.
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The "Soft 'n Sleepy Newborn" (really big blinking newborn pony) was the second one.
Oh yeah. I keep forgetting those exist.
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Oh, wow that's pretty cool! I love her art and have followed her on dA for years but this is news to me!
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I’m curious as to if this is going to set a precedent of some sort going into future generations. There are a Lot of fans and their creations I would love to see mass produced under the pony license, but at the same time, I don’t think too much fan involvement would be a good thing.
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I think that people shouldn't look too deep into it. It's really up the chain that dictates the direction of art/story/etc.
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In terms of keeping G4 themes into G5, I figure a lot of people who came in with G4 will feel a bit that way and it's understandable. The thing is that when you've been a fan of MLP for longer than G4, you're also used to the idea of a complete reboot being the basis for a new generation. While all of us have our favourite generations, there's a kind of expectation now that new gen = new world and new ponies.
Even as someone who 99% started with G4 (I saw the beginning of Rescue From Midnight Castle as a kid), I have been used to the idea that each generation is a separate universe for a long time. The thing is, when I essentially said that it would be good for G5 to take elements from G4 (and previous generations), I meant little things, nostalgic shout-outs, such as a line from a G1 episode being said in a different circumstance, a location based on and/or named after a G2 playset, a pattern on the wall resembling a G3 pony's cutie mark, a foal's music box playing the melody of a G4 song, that kind of thing. The actual universes of the generations don't necessarily cross over, but they give a little nostalgic reminder of what came before the current one, be it for the fans of those generations who are still watching, for the fan(s) of the previous generations working on the show (if there are any), or both.
I even felt like this during G4, around the time I started to check out the previous generations - I wanted G4 to include these style of shout-outs, and got excited when I thought they were doing so, even though it turned out they weren't; like when I was so sure that there was a shout-out to G1 because I thought the candle on Twilight Sparkle's door was supposed to be So Soft Twilight's symbol (it wasn't) or the fact that G4 Sweetie Belle being comically bad at cooking was supposed to be a playful reference to her G3.5 self, who was good at cooking - a kind of fun way of admitting that they'd changed the characters, but they still have respect for their original version (this was likely just me grasping at straws.)
This is basically what I do when I reboot things, and (despite my apparent misinterpretations) FiM was one of my main inspirations for doing so - even if my projects are a completely new thing, they still contain shout-outs of this ilk to the previous version(s), as a little salute to what came before done out of love (and to see if the earlier fans spot it.) In fact, this is even what I am doing with a My Little Pony fanseries I am involved with, despite the fact that it's not a reboot, actually is a sequel to G4 (albeit an almost completely Alternate Universe one) and actually includes ponies from previous generations as characters (I plan on explaining this better in a later thread, I realise it's not the entire point here.)
The thing you have to realise, if you're not sure about shifting on from G4 is that you run the risk of them taking something you love and tainting it by reworking it in a way that's not the thing you originally came to love. While it's probably more difficult to let go of G4, the only thing worse than letting go of something that ends naturally is seeing it slog on painfully where it shouldn't be.
As far as I can see, I am fine with shifting on from G4 - I fully expect G5 to be it's own thing, even if it was to use all of the Mane Six names, I still get that they would be different ponies (or should be) within a different world - I don't expect G5 to be Friendship is Magic Part 2 or anything (I even view Pony Life as a separate entity, just one a little closer to G4 than an actual G5 would be.) I am fine for G5 to be it's own thing, and not a G4 sequel, and would expect nothing less. Whatever happens G4, and the generations before it will continue to exist though rewatches, fanon material, and nostalgia - as one line in my favorite My Little Pony theme song says; "They will always have a place in my heart."
I hope no one minded me writing this response, I realise it's not the main point of the thread.
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I think that people shouldn't look too deep into it. It's really up the chain that dictates the direction of art/story/etc.
Yeah, this. She's a fan artist in the sense that "she's a fan", but she's a professional artist in the sense of "this is how I earn money to pay rent." And part of being a professional commercial artist is being able to adapt to whatever style is required of you.
Like, it's not like she only draws cartoon-style G4, she clearly has a lot of range:
http://fav.me/d8v31ye
^ That was a SPEED-DRAW. I couldn't draw something that good if I worked on it for ten years.
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That was a SPEED-DRAW. I couldn't draw something that good if I worked on it for ten years.
You definitely could. You just follow shapes and shadows from a photograph. ;)
As for the new movie, hopefully it does take some stuff from G4 (and G1, and Tales) because it's just cute to reference. It's a shout out to those who grew up with the older stuff, and still follow it today. It's like making Jem without a reference to the old cartoon at all.
...oh wait, Hasbro did exactly that.