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Title: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on June 21, 2021, 08:01:20 AM
I'm just going to insert the Wiki article here since I've put all that we know so far on it. :)
 (https://g5mlp.fandom.com/wiki/My_Little_Pony_(comics))



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I can't actually link to the eggy daily site but here's a quote:
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SAN DIEGO, CA (June 21, 2021) – Since its very inception in 2012, the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic monthly comic book series from IDW has captured the hearts and minds of filly fans everywhere. Now, after almost a decade of publication, we bid a fond farewell to Friendship is Magic with September’s issue #102, the oversized conclusion of the official “Season 10” storyline that picked up where the beloved animated series left off.
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But friends, never fear! Twilight Sparkle, Pinkie Pie, Applejack, Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, and Rarity will return in a new series beginning in October: My Little Pony: Generations! Written by Casey Gilly and illustrated by Michela Cacciatore, the new five-issue miniseries will see the Ponies of two separate generations collide, as the familiar faces from Friendship is Magic must call upon the original G1 Ponies of the 1980s for help against a new witch threat erupting from the Volcano of Doom!
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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic #102, by longtime contributors Jeremy Whitley and Andy Price, delivers the long-awaited climax of the “Season 10” story arc. With the Knights of Order launching an all-out assault on Equestria, the Mane 6 must face a foe singularly focused on capturing the Elements of Harmony. It’s a good thing that they have a lot of friends, old and new, upon whom they can rely!
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Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Mermaid on June 21, 2021, 08:21:14 AM
Oh neat! I can’t wait to read these! Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on June 21, 2021, 08:33:43 AM
I'm positive about this - for one thing it seems to be by someone who grew up with G1 (unless I misread that part) so it's not like they're just throwing in G1s because they think that's what people would want, and they'll at least be trying to be faithful and/or respectful.

I know not everyone here likes the Concept Six being treated as the G1 "Mane Cast", because they weren't - they're just what Lauren would have used, but it kind of makes sense to use them if this is the end of the G4 comic, because, they're basically the G1 ponies that led up to the creation of the Mane Six, so... they've basically gone full circle, or something...?  I dunno, I think it's kind of beautiful.   :lovey:

I also find it a nice touch that they appear to be using Sparkler and Glory (unless I'm misunderstanding the left picture) - Sparkler is the official "Concept Rarity" (i.e. the pony Lauren would have used if she could have used the G1s), but she also got Rarity's design from Glory, so she kind of part of this as well... the unofficial "Concept Seventh" if you like, so if that's what they're doing.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 21, 2021, 09:00:07 AM
Humm okay. But will they actually get the ponies personalities correctly? Or will they be carbon copies of the Mane Suxx? 

At least both are in their respective styles.

Will they include ponies who were actually more likely to show up, like Wind Whistler,  Fizzy, Truly, Galaxy, and Shady? Or are they gonna stick with Lauren's inspirational misunderstanding? Nm that roughly half those ponies were G3 based and swapped.

Will the FiM writers actually have a fair balance,  or are they just gonna use it to take unnecessary and baseless potshots at MLP n Friends to support supposed FiM superiority?

 I'll wait and see, because I haven't been charmed by Hasbro writer's innapropriate, immature, brony humor concerning past generations.

What's the Eggy Daily?  :lol:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: NovelNerd on June 21, 2021, 09:14:16 AM
I’m not sure how I feel about it, but I’m interested enough I do want to read it.  :lol:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 21, 2021, 09:36:06 AM
Why are they including these ponies, instead of the ones from the movie? (Idk if the volcano witches were featured in the original comics or not, sorry in advance.) The art style is cute, I'll give em that much. Looks a bit like Tales though for some reason. I almost thought that was Melody for a moment.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: ridi on June 21, 2021, 09:36:56 AM
The art of the G1 ponies is very cute and I'm always excited to see new media featuring them but... as I am not a fan of the G4 cast, I would have liked them to stay far, far away from G1! I don't have high hopes for how the G1 characters will be portrayed. I really hope they won't give them the personalities Faust assigned them and I'm kind of bothered they chose those 6 ponies in the first place as they didn't exactly have much personality in the cartoon (aside from Surprise).
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: bladed on June 21, 2021, 09:43:34 AM
Why are they including these ponies, instead of the ones from the movie? (Idk if the volcano witches were featured in the original comics or not, sorry in advance.) The art style is cute, I'll give em that much. Looks a bit like Tales though for some reason. I almost thought that was Melody for a moment.
keep in mind that you're only seeing the cover lol, maybe there'll be more inside. it's a bit early to jump on the negativity.
i don't really have an issue with the gen 1 "predecessors" being a thing like some people seem to, it was just laurens preference after all. can't be helped if it leads to misunderstandings from people who dont do research. the comics are usually decent (at least the ones i've read) so we'll see how it goes.

on a positive note, the third cover with the two twilights is adorable :)
I'm positive about this - for one thing it seems to be by someone who grew up with G1 (unless I misread that part) so it's not like they're just throwing in G1s because they think that's what people would want, and they'll at least be trying to be faithful and/or respectful.

I know not everyone here likes the Concept Six being treated as the G1 "Mane Cast", because they weren't - they're just what Lauren would have used, but it kind of makes sense to use them if this is the end of the G4 comic, because, they're basically the G1 ponies that led up to the creation of the Mane Six, so... they've basically gone full circle, or something...?  I dunno, I think it's kind of beautiful.   :lovey:

I also find it a nice touch that they appear to be using Sparkler and Glory (unless I'm misunderstanding the left picture) - Sparkler is the official "Concept Rarity" (i.e. the pony Lauren would have used if she could have used the G1s), but she also got Rarity's design from Glory, so she kind of part of this as well... the unofficial "Concept Seventh" if you like, so if that's what they're doing.
i feel like they wont include both because it'd be unbalanced, it might just be miscommunications from the artists? i'll be pleasantly surprised if they do.

also, anyone else hope that they include other gen references in here too?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Snapdragon on June 21, 2021, 09:49:37 AM
Ohhhh gosh!! Those covers are gorgeous, I hope the story is fun too!! I haven't kept up with the MLP comics very well, after I bought the first five or so! :blush: I guess I need to get back into it!
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: SpacePinto on June 21, 2021, 10:22:47 AM
I have bad feelings about that...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 21, 2021, 10:36:42 AM
That looks like Lofty is there anyway.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on June 21, 2021, 12:24:27 PM
Hmmm, not sure how I feel about this... Guess we'll wait and see what happens.

I agree that I wish they were using the show characters instead of the damn ""concept six"" or whatever we're calling them. And the second cover is cute, but Surprise isn't blonde, dammit!! :P

Humm okay. But will they actually get the ponies personalities correctly? Or will they be carbon copies of the Mane Suxx? 

<snip>

Will the FiM writers actually have a fair balance,  or are they just gonna use it to take unnecessary and baseless potshots at MLP n Friends to support supposed FiM superiority?

These are my main concerns, too.

Interesting to hear the witches might be in it, though... could be promising... I just hope they don't make them parodies of themselves or anything. I know the witches are goofy as heck, but there's a thin line between "yes, we know this is silly" and "hurr hurr wasn't the old show so stupid?", you know? (Dunno how to word it)

as the familiar faces from Friendship is Magic must call upon the original G1 Ponies of the 1980s

ha, I see what you did there, IDW solicitor writers.

The art of the G1 ponies is very cute and I'm always excited to see new media featuring them but... as I am not a fan of the G4 cast, I would have liked them to stay far, far away from G1!

I agree, I'd much rather have had a G1-only comic. Guess I can see why they "had" to have the G4s in there, the FiM comics are obviously selling well if they're only just ending now (I didn't realize they were still going! I knew they were still doing some spinoffs but I didn't know it was still going *regularly*) so they want that market, it makes sense, but... still... I dunno, I just would prefer the two gens be kept as separate deals. Admittedly I'm not that big a fan of crossovers in general, though.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on June 21, 2021, 01:31:00 PM
Shoobedoop...shooshoobedoop...

Ok so I just saw this after posting in the unpopular opinions...

I have...so many mixed views on this.

I don't like that it's those six. I understand why it is, but I don't like it.

The real test will be whether the characters of the G1s are actually based on the original characters or whether they'll be forced into mirroring the M6.  This is especially a problem with AJ, who is entirely different...but also with figuring out Glory or Sparkler. Neither one has a major animation presence, true, but neither one is like Rarity either in the brief cameos they have.

I have no idea why those characters would know about stopping the witches. I'm pretty sure that was a different cast and some flutter ponies.

But all my personal twitches aside, I find this move interesting. I see it in the opposite way tbh...rather than putting FIM in there because G4 is selling well and popular, I think it's the opposite. They're ending the G4 only comic and making a crossover with G1 alongside G4 because G4 is dying out and G1 retro stuff is popular. Remember Hasbro changed their own attitude from "we have nothing to do with the BF ponies" to "here are some weird retro G4s we decided to issue/lets talk about the 'original m6 (collector ponies)'.

It smacks of them trying to reach out to us - to this market, because they sense the other one waning.

I may be wrong, but I can't see any reason to include G1 to pander to bronies. They don't want G1.

The big question is really whether we - or those who would be interested from a retro standpoint - want G4.

There's a Japanese fandom I've been involved in for a long time now, and there are a series of games, which is up to like iteration 7 I think by now. But 3 is the most popular by far. And so far they've done one game where they had 'generations' like this, and they also did a bunch of reissues and events for 3 even though it's been 15 ? years since the game originally came out.

Using a popular concept from within a wider franchise is the real sales ploy here IMO.

But eh. I'm not big on the G1 animation characterisations anyway. If these are just diluted M6, even more so.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on June 21, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
You raise some good points, Taffeta, especially the thing about a sudden G1 crossover seeming a bit desperate - I agree. (Good point re: Hasbro's reply to the Basic Fun ponies too, hadn't even considered that but it's a fair point to raise) I think that's one of the things that was bugging me about it earlier, that I couldn't put my finger on before... it just felt really weird and out of nowhere, but I think you've hit the nail on the head there.

Also this:

I may be wrong, but I can't see any reason to include G1 to pander to bronies. They don't want G1.

The big question is really whether we - or those who would be interested from a retro standpoint - want G4.

See, that's what I was wondering, too - who is this for?? I think that's going to be what makes or breaks this, at least for me. Is it written for ALL fans, or is it going to be "G1 but from a G4[/G4 fan's] perspective". Cause if it's the latter, then that's... what I'm worried it'll be, pretty much. But then on the other hand, I'm having difficulty imagining a... not sure what the word I'm looking for is. A take on the crossover concept from a "G1/G1 fan" perspective, I guess would be a way of describing it? Cause I dunno about other communities but at least on here, it feels like most of us (regardless of whether or not we like G4 in general) prefer to keep the gens separate? Gah, I know what I mean but I'm failing at putting it into words. I guess I'm just wondering who exactly this is directed at.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on June 21, 2021, 01:59:50 PM
Yeah...

But part of the issue is that I don't think there are many people in and around Hasbro or the franchises associated with MLP licences that know a lot about G1.

Basic Fun have done a great job with the ponies, but that's in a sense mimicry. They're only dealing with reproducing a physical toy, and their choices are not always what we would expect as fans (see TE choice range, lack of Powder etc). They seem to be made from the perspective of what is profitable to produce. Which makes sense. But isn't really G1 knowledge as we would think of it.

I think a lot of this 'G1 knowledge' is being based around Faustworld...I mean, that Toys that Made Us documentary chose to interview her, and though that was a mostly good overview of G1's history, the idea that her concept of G1 was somehow important is kind of key here. Whether we personally like or dislike her concept (I'm in the latter camp) there are a lot of people for whom that is now 'G1' in their mind's eye.

...The idea of using those six instead of the actual movie cast shows that too. There's not an actual awareness or willingness to embrace G1 as its own entity in the days it was the only MLP. There's just this hindsight view as though it's somehow a safety net, building it from G4??

It's the same as the attitude that the cartoon for G1 defines G1 because G4's cartoon defined G4.

I don't like the sense that 'actual G1 people' are involved in this either. Actual G1 people are all over the place. They're here. But none of us have the same concept of what G1 is as one another. So what meaning does 'real g1 fans!' have in this context? Not much. I'd rather have someone unconnected to MLP who bothers to research and represent the original world of G1 (even the animated related one) than someone who calls themselves a 'fan' but is still tied to the strings of G4 in some way.

I mean, I have similar issues with the Jem comic, because it priveleged fanon over canon. I'm all for fanon - in fanfic. But not in something that's going to be judged as 'canon'. And Jem actually had a 'canon'. G1 didn't really; it had several.

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on June 21, 2021, 02:19:35 PM
There's not an actual awareness or willingness to embrace G1 as its own entity in the days it was the only MLP. There's just this hindsight view as though it's somehow a safety net, building it from G4??

My thoughts exactly - whenever they do something like this, it doesn't feel like "nod to the previous gen" or "little in-joke only fans of all-gens will pick up" or w/e, it just feels like they're trying too hard, or yeah like you said, sort of.. mining G1 for ideas to recycle for G4, if that makes sense? Not sure how to explain it.

I agree, fanon belongs in fanfic. I can think of several fanfics, fan ideas, etc that I *adore* but I'd hate for them to actually show up in an official thing.

Have they got G1 people involved in this, then? :o Or am I misunderstanding you.

I do wonder what the heck they're going to do with Glory/Sparkler (not sure which one they're using here). Neither of them really did anything in the cartoons (I'm assuming this is going to be primarily based off those rather than any other G1 canon), so.. not sure what they'll do for them.

I do like that second cover, how they drew the G1 "80s hair". The first cover has great "personality" and art but I'm not a big fan of how the G1 ponies' hairstyles are based on the main 6's. I mean, Surprise's big curls are cute and all, but the G1 ponies are their own characters... I just hate how this brony/Faust version of them keeps overtaking the actual original versions.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on June 21, 2021, 03:02:52 PM
Yeah...

But part of the issue is that I don't think there are many people in and around Hasbro or the franchises associated with MLP licences that know a lot about G1.

Basic Fun have done a great job with the ponies, but that's in a sense mimicry. They're only dealing with reproducing a physical toy, and their choices are not always what we would expect as fans (see TE choice range, lack of Powder etc). They seem to be made from the perspective of what is profitable to produce. Which makes sense. But isn't really G1 knowledge as we would think of it.

I think a lot of this 'G1 knowledge' is being based around Faustworld...I mean, that Toys that Made Us documentary chose to interview her, and though that was a mostly good overview of G1's history, the idea that her concept of G1 was somehow important is kind of key here. Whether we personally like or dislike her concept (I'm in the latter camp) there are a lot of people for whom that is now 'G1' in their mind's eye.

...The idea of using those six instead of the actual movie cast shows that too. There's not an actual awareness or willingness to embrace G1 as its own entity in the days it was the only MLP. There's just this hindsight view as though it's somehow a safety net, building it from G4??

It's the same as the attitude that the cartoon for G1 defines G1 because G4's cartoon defined G4.

I don't like the sense that 'actual G1 people' are involved in this either. Actual G1 people are all over the place. They're here. But none of us have the same concept of what G1 is as one another. So what meaning does 'real g1 fans!' have in this context? Not much. I'd rather have someone unconnected to MLP who bothers to research and represent the original world of G1 (even the animated related one) than someone who calls themselves a 'fan' but is still tied to the strings of G4 in some way.

I mean, I have similar issues with the Jem comic, because it priveleged fanon over canon. I'm all for fanon - in fanfic. But not in something that's going to be judged as 'canon'. And Jem actually had a 'canon'. G1 didn't really; it had several.



I think the Jem comic is fine as long as you view it as a separate thing with it's own separate canon. Then again what really is the difference between an reboot/spin off and fanfic other than one is officially sanctioned and the other isn't?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: achab1984 on June 21, 2021, 04:19:22 PM
I love that G1 art!!! :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on June 21, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Humm okay. But will they actually get the ponies personalities correctly? Or will they be carbon copies of the Mane Suxx? 
Depends how the writer chooses to do it – it appears to be someone who grew up with G1 (unless they're talking about G4, but I doubt it, because then they'd be quite young) so at the very least they'd be how they interpreted G1, the same way the Concept Six would have been Lauren's interpretation of them – the same way many of you interpreted your G1 toys the way you did, or maybe they'll be stuff taken from the toys, cartoons, or comics – it depends what “G1” was to the writer.

But even if they are copies of the Mane Six, it still doesn't matter, because all of us will always have our own ideas of what the G1 ponies are.

Will they include ponies who were actually more likely to show up, like Wind Whistler,  Fizzy, Truly, Galaxy, and Shady? Or are they gonna stick with Lauren's inspirational misunderstanding? Nm that roughly half those ponies were G3 based and swapped.
It wasn't a misunderstanding though, it was the personalities and characters she chose to use when she played with her toys – unless you mean that those in the brony fandom who aren't knowledgable towards G1 see things, like they might think they were the G1 “Mane Six” or something.  It would be good if other G1s are used, but at the end of the day it will be up to the writer.

 
Will the FiM writers actually have a fair balance,  or are they just gonna use it to take unnecessary and baseless potshots at MLP n Friends to support supposed FiM superiority?
Like I say it appears to be someone who grew up with G1, so I doubt there'd be any hate towards it.  There haven't really been that many potshots towards previous generations in the actual FiM, if any – Hasbro themselves (or DHX, I need to check) actually asked bronies to be more respectful to the previous generations, so I doubt they'd try to make them look bad to make G4 look better, because I've seen little of that in the show, if any of it.

Looks a bit like Tales though for some reason. I almost thought that was Melody for a moment.
Yeah, I thought that was Melody as well, at first – I was confused as to why she was there for a moment...

I agree that I wish they were using the show characters instead of the damn ""concept six"" or whatever we're calling them.  
I think “Concept Six” is my own term, but yeah, maybe they'll be show stuff, maybe there won't – if not, we'll have fanon stuff for that.  It's likely the Concept Six because they led to the creation of the Mane Six, and this is IDW's last time with the Mane Six (for now?) so it's like going back to their direct routes, so to speak – regardless of whether the real versions of those G1 ponies (and there is essentially no “real version”, as My Little Pony is a toyline, so everyone's version is the “real version” so to speak, as the whole point is you give them the personality you want them to have) were anything like the G4 ponies they inspired.  Maybe they'll include other G1s, maybe they won't – it depends on what they want to do, but the Concept Six were likely chosen because it's IDW's (supposed) goodbye to the Mane Six, so it makes sense to go back to the ponies who, at least indirectly, led to their creation.

It smacks of them trying to reach out to us - to this market, because they sense the other one waning.
Like I say, it appears to be a fan of G1 writing it – I get that nostalgia sells, but sometimes it really is the writer's nostalgia that is where it all comes from, they include things because it's what they are nostalgic to.  It's like me, I write my versions of existing things, because the original versions mean something to me and inspire me.


I may be wrong, but I can't see any reason to include G1 to pander to bronies. They don't want G1.
I think a decent amount of bronies do want G1 – there's actually been more respect towards previous generations for a while, at the very least for G1, and for one thing they were asking for G1 Grogar for a long time, and many were disappointed that he was never in G4, from what I can see.  There is still pre-G4 hate, but there's more than one side to the fandom.  That being said, I doubt it's pandering to anyone - it's what the writer chose to do. 


See, that's what I was wondering, too - who is this for?? I think that's going to be what makes or breaks this, at least for me. Is it written for ALL fans, or is it going to be "G1 but from a G4[/G4 fan's] perspective". Cause if it's the latter, then that's... what I'm worried it'll be, pretty much. But then on the other hand, I'm having difficulty imagining a... not sure what the word I'm looking for is. A take on the crossover concept from a "G1/G1 fan" perspective, I guess would be a way of describing it? Cause I dunno about other communities but at least on here, it feels like most of us (regardless of whether or not we like G4 in general) prefer to keep the gens separate? Gah, I know what I mean but I'm failing at putting it into words. I guess I'm just wondering who exactly this is directed at.
At the end of the day, it's likely for the writer – which is ultimately what should be done when creating something; you create for yourself first, and if it's made with love it should shine through and be something that people in general can enjoy (I realise life isn't always that perfect.)  It's like that one moral in G4 that I will now paraphrase - “if you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.”

I do kind of no what you mean about mixing generations – I do kind of think it works better as a fanon thing (I have a project that is at the very least G1-G4, but also fanon), and I do feel that the canon versions work better as separate entities, so we can put them together, or keep them separate if we choose to (which is why I'm unsure about G5 being officially part of G4's future), but this feels different to me... maybe it's because the Concept Six were my gateway back into pre-G4, but maybe it's because it feels more like G4 thank its personal routes, rather than trying to... do something else... I dunno, I haven't got the right words either, but it feels different somehow.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on June 21, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
Oooooooooo this is so exciting! What a fun way to conclude the comics' run!

I dearly love the IDW company with all my heart, and I'm so glad to see they're still in business despite the little internal shake up they had a year or so ago.

They've taken so many things that are important to me from my childhood (MLP, Ghostbusters, TMNT, Star Trek, Jem, and many more) and given the stories new life with a modern twist, while still keeping faith to what we loved about these franchises when we were kids. This G1/G4 crossover idea is so cool! Can't wait to buy the issues!
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Ragamuffin on June 21, 2021, 05:52:59 PM
There are only two MLP generations: G1, which went from 1983-1984, and G4 which went from 2010-2021. Only twelve ponies were ever produced. No one knows what happened in between 1984 and 2010, but whatever did was probably very cringe and very bad and was killed with fire.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: InkyMilk on June 21, 2021, 06:16:15 PM
I admit, I'm more than a little confused about what's going on since I don't read the MLP comics (it says the comics are ending but this is a new series?? Is it like a finale arc? A new series altogether? A 'continuation' that can be read on its own?), but holy moly that artwork is CUTE!!!
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 21, 2021, 08:09:11 PM
There are only two MLP generations: G1, which went from 1983-1984, and G4 which went from 2010-2021. Only twelve ponies were ever produced. No one knows what happened in between 1984 and 2010, but whatever did was probably very cringe and very bad and was killed with fire.

All pony fans and future pony fans were put into cryogenic stasis,  so hasbro could steal money from our wallets, and we woke up wondering where all those "other " plastic horses came from.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on June 21, 2021, 08:14:40 PM
Regardless of how the comics themselves will be, I definitely want to buy the variants with the rightmost art style, as those are drawn by one of my favorite artists on Twitter, Celesse.

https://twitter.com/celesse/status/1407066479477002255

I admit, I'm more than a little confused about what's going on since I don't read the MLP comics (it says the comics are ending but this is a new series?? Is it like a finale arc? A new series altogether? A 'continuation' that can be read on its own?), but holy moly that artwork is CUTE!!!

I think it's just an entirely new series.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on June 22, 2021, 06:02:28 AM
Ahhh I knew I recognized that art style! Always nice when a fanartist gets to do official art :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on June 22, 2021, 09:16:46 AM
There are only two MLP generations: G1, which went from 1983-1984, and G4 which went from 2010-2021. Only twelve ponies were ever produced. No one knows what happened in between 1984 and 2010, but whatever did was probably very cringe and very bad and was killed with fire.

All pony fans and future pony fans were put into cryogenic stasis,  so hasbro could steal money from our wallets, and we woke up wondering where all those "other " plastic horses came from.

*throws requisite fakies* xDD

Sadly that is kind of how some people view it.

On the difference between fanon and canon - exactly what was stated. People get paid for one and it gets a veneer of officialdom about it - on the other, it's a labour of love from a fan to a franchise which doesn't have to follow the 'rules' because ultimately it's not for anyone but the fan themselves really.

When a fan opinion is authorised in some way, even when it twists away from the premises, characters or ideas set down in the original work, that's when I have a problem with it.

And with G1 there really isn't much of an original work to build from. So that makes it more complicated. Faust's interpretation of G1 was fine, but it was hers. Now it's being used as a benchmark to shoehorn everybody's, as witnessed by the fact those six characters are going to be involved with that G4 framework. It's naive to think otherwise. Our G1 has been trampled into the ground by her G1 in the popular consciousness. Her G1 is fine, but it's hers. It's alien to me and to many other people who grew up with G1. It's fanon, not canon, but they've made it canon, and now we all have to live with the result, good or bad.

Even if some bronies 'want G1' now, it's not actually G1 they want. It's G1 as they interpret it through the veil of G4, sanitised by Faustverse. It's not an authentic experience of G1 except in some cases - probably only those G4 fans who venture into cross-gen fandoms like this. Certainly not those whose only source of information is self-feeding based on their google searches. Things like a preoccupation with the concept 6, with Majesty, and the G1 animation...all signs of G1 knowledge fed by G4, not by G1 itself.

On the subject of Glory and Sparkler, both do have cogent personalities in their backcard stories, in story tapes (in Glory's case, both US and UK) and in the comics.  No, I don't expect these to form any kind of basis for the personalities we see in the comics. I expect it to be based on Faust's interpretation going back to the 'concept 6' idea and the M6 that came from that idea. The reason why is that people generally now think of MLP in terms of the animation, and compare animation. They don't understand G1 in its diverse forms, and don't try to.

In my field of study, I work with a variant of a well known Japanese text. My variant is longer, contains more information, includes more scenes and was just as influential. BUT most people cite the more common version because it has translation, is easily available, and they just don't bother to look beyond what's right in front of them. Because of that there are some bizarre interpretations of sources based on stories completely absent from the common version. Those stories are in the version I study, but most people haven't bothered to check.

To me looking at MLP, it's a very similar situation. G1 is amazingly diverse. Even if you take our individual ponylands out of the equation, with all the different media across different countries, different ponies, different year releases...there is no collective 'G1' or 'mane 6' or anything even remotely resembling what exists for G4. For better or worse, there isn't one canon that can be easily drawn on and intersected with the one G4 canon.

I'll say it again - I'm not interested in the opinions of someone who grew up with G1. I grew up with G1 and I don't need someone else's opinion on it being trampled over mine. I would rather see someone unconnected to the franchise do the actual legwork to find out how the animation, comics, backcards, story tapes (or some of these) represented these characters (Glory, Sparkler, Surprise etc especially) or even took the brave decision to scrap the concept 6 in favour of using characters who actually have a prior association with the witches, as opposed to a hotchpotch.

This is of course just my opinion, and I'm sure everyone will come to their own conclusions.

Also, final note - I also thought it was Melody at first. Now that WOULD have been interesting as a crossover, but Tales/G4 is probably never going to happen.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on June 22, 2021, 02:43:15 PM
Ahhh I knew I recognized that art style! Always nice when a fanartist gets to do official art :)

Yes! IDW is known for that! Quite a few of their comics are drawn by people who were big fans (and had large collections of fanart on DA). :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: lonewolf on June 22, 2021, 03:23:13 PM
Sad to see the G4 comics end (after this crossover is done G4 is officially dead), but these look like fun. The left cover is my favorite  because it has Glory the interactions between the two sides are cute.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: brightberry on June 22, 2021, 08:49:05 PM
I’m not thrilled that they use those particular G1 ponies just to imply that they have a special relationship to the G4 ponies. Especially as those G1 ponies are their own individuals and not some alternate universe version of G4s as in a Star Trek episode.

If they had used ponies like Wind Whistler, Buttons, Majesty, Cotton Candy or even ponies like Dancing Butterflies and Parasol… I’d be more interested.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: sweetstuff85 on June 22, 2021, 11:07:11 PM
Wow! I’m really excited about this. Super cool!!

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on June 23, 2021, 07:20:26 AM
I don't have a problem with them basing G1 off the cartoon world (for one thing, it's probably more easily accessible to the average comic author than the UK comics... man, wouldn't it be nice if those got a proper reprint one of these days? Now THAT would be awesome. Going a bit off-topic there though, just something that occurred to me), it's just the use of THOSE particular characters that has me worried, it's so "G4". Like:

I’m not thrilled that they use those particular G1 ponies just to imply that they have a special relationship to the G4 ponies. Especially as those G1 ponies are their own individuals and not some alternate universe version of G4s as in a Star Trek episode.

If they had used ponies like Wind Whistler, Buttons, Majesty, Cotton Candy or even ponies like Dancing Butterflies and Parasol… I’d be more interested.

this - great way of putting it. Faust's interpretation of the chars is great and just as valid as anything else, but I don't like this recontextualization (I guess would be the word) of making it seem like these six are a thing, if that makes sense. This recent trend of taking these particular G1s and presenting them as "The 80s versions of the Mane 6!" like in that Twilight SDCC 2-pack. I don't mind a bit of reinterpretation, writers putting their own spin on it, etc, since the G1 world is so open to interpretation/there were so many different continuities/etc - I think we all have our own idea of how the G1 world "works", for example - but yeah like I said... who is this comic being made for. Cause the use of those particular chars doesn't convince me that it's being made for us, if that makes sense.

I agree a Tales/FiM crossover could be interesting.

Ahhh I knew I recognized that art style! Always nice when a fanartist gets to do official art :)

Yes! IDW is known for that! Quite a few of their comics are drawn by people who were big fans (and had large collections of fanart on DA). :)

I've noticed this happening a lot with comics in general these days, I think it's super cool :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on June 23, 2021, 07:21:31 AM
I haven't kept up with the G4 comic anyway, so I'm a bit ambivalent, the covers are okay, I'm more curious about what happens inside and that'll probably determine if I will or will not buy the books.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: therainbowtroll on June 23, 2021, 09:51:54 AM
I am looking forward to this! Its a fitting end. However I seriously need to catch up on the comics! I have a list on my phone of all the comics I am missing and I woulden't mind getting on that soonish!  :P
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: lalalei2001 on June 25, 2021, 01:13:41 PM
Silly Hasbro, it's the Volcano of GLOOM, not Doom! :P
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 25, 2021, 02:57:24 PM
Yeah...

But part of the issue is that I don't think there are many people in and around Hasbro or the franchises associated with MLP licences that know a lot about G1.

Basic Fun have done a great job with the ponies, but that's in a sense mimicry. They're only dealing with reproducing a physical toy, and their choices are not always what we would expect as fans (see TE choice range, lack of Powder etc). They seem to be made from the perspective of what is profitable to produce. Which makes sense. But isn't really G1 knowledge as we would think of it.

I think a lot of this 'G1 knowledge' is being based around Faustworld...I mean, that Toys that Made Us documentary chose to interview her, and though that was a mostly good overview of G1's history, the idea that her concept of G1 was somehow important is kind of key here. Whether we personally like or dislike her concept (I'm in the latter camp) there are a lot of people for whom that is now 'G1' in their mind's eye.

...The idea of using those six instead of the actual movie cast shows that too. There's not an actual awareness or willingness to embrace G1 as its own entity in the days it was the only MLP. There's just this hindsight view as though it's somehow a safety net, building it from G4??

It's the same as the attitude that the cartoon for G1 defines G1 because G4's cartoon defined G4.

I don't like the sense that 'actual G1 people' are involved in this either. Actual G1 people are all over the place. They're here. But none of us have the same concept of what G1 is as one another. So what meaning does 'real g1 fans!' have in this context? Not much. I'd rather have someone unconnected to MLP who bothers to research and represent the original world of G1 (even the animated related one) than someone who calls themselves a 'fan' but is still tied to the strings of G4 in some way.

I mean, I have similar issues with the Jem comic, because it priveleged fanon over canon. I'm all for fanon - in fanfic. But not in something that's going to be judged as 'canon'. And Jem actually had a 'canon'. G1 didn't really; it had several.

I'm not so sure they're trying to reach out to us. If they were they'd actually dig into MLP's own past sources like they do for Transformers and Joe fans. This feels like it'll have just enough fan service to catch people's attention, and enough fan-ficcyness, to annoy people.

I hope I'm wrong, but

Post Merge: June 25, 2021, 02:58:06 PM

Silly Hasbro, it's the Volcano of GLOOM, not Doom! :P

Good catch!
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Tropical_Sunset on June 25, 2021, 03:19:05 PM
This looks cute. I'm optimistic.  :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Gator on June 25, 2021, 05:45:39 PM
I, of course, am glad the witches might be coming back.  I don't know if it's the witches we know and love or if they will be new or re-booted, but I'm hoping Draggle is back!

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Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: ThermalMoon on June 26, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
I, of course, am glad the witches might be coming back.  I don't know if it's the witches we know and love or if they will be new or re-booted, but I'm hoping Draggle is back!

I see someone is part of the Draggle appreciation squad, right there with ya'. Anyways, that's also what I'm hoping for, even though this cover already a few alarming things I may not like. But I'm sure some people will still like it, even with its hiccups. Definitely got to agree with Taffeta's points though regarding their interpretation of G1, but I still look forward to it.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Aflame on June 26, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
this is cool I deffo want these comics :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on June 26, 2021, 03:03:04 PM
I'm hoping they do the witches justice, too. :) I like that they used them instead of Tirac or Grogar (since those seem more popular with bronies, from what I've seen... though I suppose FiM already had their own versions of those chars, maybe that's why they're using the witches). I love the witches, especially Draggle.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 26, 2021, 04:45:23 PM
Draggle is my favorite witch. I hope they do the witches justice too.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Queen Sophie on June 26, 2021, 08:14:14 PM
I’m curious to know why one of the covers has ponies in the g3 design
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: LadyAmalthea on June 26, 2021, 08:42:11 PM
The fact that the witches are in it is pretty much the only reason I'm interested at all. I do like the art on that second cover, but like others have said, I'm leery about their choices of G1 ponies to feature, and I hope that they aren't portrayed as doppelgangers of the Mane 6 from another dimension.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 27, 2021, 07:11:52 AM
I’m not thrilled that they use those particular G1 ponies just to imply that they have a special relationship to the G4 ponies. Especially as those G1 ponies are their own individuals and not some alternate universe version of G4s as in a Star Trek episode.

If they had used ponies like Wind Whistler, Buttons, Majesty, Cotton Candy or even ponies like Dancing Butterflies and Parasol… I’d be more interested.


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Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on June 27, 2021, 05:55:34 PM
I’m curious to know why one of the covers has ponies in the g3 design

It's common to get different artists to do different "variant" covers for special comic book issues. That way collectors who are completists will buy the issue more than once, to get all the covers that are offered (or just to buy the different covers they like). Some artists have wildly varying art styles. I'm fairly certain that particular cover wasn't meant to represent the ponies in a G3 design, it's just that particular artist's art style. :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Bekuno on June 28, 2021, 09:06:56 AM
I'm going to really miss the Friendship is Magic series IDW did. I buy omnibus volumes with every release, and trade paperbacks of the annuals or series not big enough to be added to an omnibus. I can understand it's time for it to go though.

I don't have any fears or concerns about the portrayals of the G1 characters personally! Im very excited for the Generations comic, I think it will be a lot of fun. I have a lot of "out there" headcanons about how the G1 world works so I don't have a right to fuss about canon/fanon/comic interpretations.

The only thing that kills me is that the covers Celesse is doing are the Retailer Incentive ones, so its like one out of every 100 printed will have that cover per issue, and they will be VERY expensive  :sad:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on June 28, 2021, 09:29:50 AM
Disclaimer: I'm sorry if anyone dislikes the term "Concept Six", but that is the easiest way for me to refer to them as a group, especially within subjects like this - I can't call them the "G1 Mane Six", because they never were a "mane six" in G1.

I respect and understand what people are saying about using these characters rather than other G1 ponies, especially ones that actually are core ponies, or are more well known to the G1 fans.  Maybe they will include other G1s, maybe they won't, but I understand what you're saying.

However, while G4 isn't the whole franchise, and while the Concept Six aren't the entirety of G1 (and never were core ponies, sans Firefly, during G1) at the end of the day, while there's still a chance they'll do stuff that will appeal to G1 fans, this is ultimately a G4 thing.  The point is more likely that the Mane Six are meeting the ponies that led to their inspiration, rather than specifically G4 meeting G1 - it's the Mane Six retracing their roots (from a creator's standpoint) rather than My Little Pony retracing its roots, so they're meeting the G1 ponies they were inspired by, rather than actual G1 main characters.  So for what it likely is, I think it serves its purpose.

In terms of there being no one "canon" of G1, that is also correct - all generations have at least two canons to my knowledge, and then there's our own stories for them.  Even if someone is putting their idea of what G1 is in this, it is their idea of G1, the same as how the Concept Six was Lauren's idea of what G1 was, which also has value, but it was her idea of G1, the same as everyone has their idea of what each generation was or could be.


It's like in me and my friend's project, we will feature as many G1 ponies as possible (as well as other generations up to at least G4) and it will not end on the Concept Six.  There is one episode planned that groups the Concept Six together as a pseudo-Mane Cast, but this is more of a shout out to the fact that they were planned to be one in G4 rather than actually implying there were one.

Regarding the Concept Six, I have no idea how many bronies write them as copies of the Mane Six, but when I include them, I will not write them like this – there is no reason for me to do so, as I already have the Mane Six.  The Concept Six will (as individuals) take their personalities from what can be taken from their canon personalities, with our own writing ideas for their personalities also included – which essentially how all canon characters will be written (including the Mane Six) we get what we like and/or can use from canon versions of them (keeping in mind that some canons contradict each other) but they're all ultimately our “version” of them.

But yeah, however the Concept Six are written in this comic series, it is still just another version of those characters (even if they do end up acting like the Mane Six) and like all characters in MLP there will be many ways to write and/or interpret them – they don't even have to be the Concept Six in everyone's version (and for a lot of people, I'm guessing they aren't) and there will forever be opportunities to give other G1 characters a chance to shine, be it canon or fanon.  But taking this comic as what it is at face value – a finale for its canon for G4, it makes sense that the Concept Six were chosen since they led up to the creation of the Mane Six.  It's likely more of a call back to how G4 was created than a call back to G1 (even if they do end up referencing G1) – they'll be plenty of other ways for people, be it fanon or canon, to pay homage to G1 (and any other generation.)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on June 28, 2021, 09:34:16 AM
I don't have any fears or concerns about the portrayals of the G1 characters personally! Im very excited for the Generations comic, I think it will be a lot of fun. I have a lot of "out there" headcanons about how the G1 world works so I don't have a right to fuss about canon/fanon/comic interpretations.

That's how I feel too! After all, a new reboot or remake doesn't take anything away from the original tv show/movie. So a new interpretation of G1 characters doesn't take away anything from the 80's characters we love. It's just a new interpretation! And I think it'll be fun to see how these comic creators represent the characters. Will the G1 ponies be from far in the G4 past? Or the far future? Or an alternate dimension? I can't wait to find out!

The only thing that kills me is that the covers Celesse is doing are the Retailer Incentive ones, so its like one out of every 100 printed will have that cover per issue, and they will be VERY expensive  :sad:

Aw, that's always hard, I'm so sorry. :( Chase items make me so anxious... I always feel relieved when I don't like the design of an exclusive so I don't have to worry about chasing it down heh.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: bladed on June 28, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
That's how I feel too! After all, a new reboot or remake doesn't take anything away from the original tv show/movie. So a new interpretation of G1 characters doesn't take away anything from the 80's characters we love. It's just a new interpretation! And I think it'll be fun to see how these comic creators represent the characters. Will the G1 ponies be from far in the G4 past? Or the far future? Or an alternate dimension? I can't wait to find out!

^^^thank you for that wording lol (and bekuno, mjnseifer, probably others who mentioned it), i was actually thinking about this sitting at work :P with all the times the comic vs cartoon has come up on this forum over the years, discussing the fact that they both had different characters, rules, whatever, i don't see how this is all that different, especially since we can't say for sure how they'll act - it will be a bit disappointing if theyre near enough 1:1 copies but it's not the end of the world. after all, we aren't being forced into buying these and i hope the writers/artists are enjoying it at least.

i don't think i'll be able to buy these but i'll keep an eye out (also only realised as im about to send that i posted in this thread before with something similar but couldn't find the right way to say it - i do have more to say and a sort of anecdote but i wont ramble on more)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 28, 2021, 10:47:41 AM
I didn't know that comics did such things as "chase covers."
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Bekuno on June 28, 2021, 11:16:20 AM
I didn't know that comics did such things as "chase covers."

Oh yeah! Really adds to their collect-ability now.

There's usually always a "Cover A" and "Cover B" and you can find both at your local comic shop. Sometimes there will even be a "Cover C". Then there's the retailer incentives I mentioned, which are very rare and made so comic shops will order more in hopes of getting one of these rare covers. Then there's retailed exclusive covers, so certain chain shops can get special covers. I have a lot of FIM issues that are hot topic or hastings exclusives!
Heck, sometimes you can even get blank covers at conventions and commission artists to draw a one of a kind cover for you!

I really only collect MLP, Care Bear, and Godzilla comics so I don't go too crazy but I will buy multiple covers if they aren't too expensive secondhand :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on June 28, 2021, 12:39:22 PM
I don't have any fears or concerns about the portrayals of the G1 characters personally! Im very excited for the Generations comic, I think it will be a lot of fun. I have a lot of "out there" headcanons about how the G1 world works so I don't have a right to fuss about canon/fanon/comic interpretations.

That's how I feel too! After all, a new reboot or remake doesn't take anything away from the original tv show/movie. So a new interpretation of G1 characters doesn't take away anything from the 80's characters we love. It's just a new interpretation!
THIS!!  This is how I feel about new versions of things in general, whatever the new version does, it doesn't erase the old version(s) from existence, it's just a new version.  :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on June 28, 2021, 01:10:21 PM
I don't have any fears or concerns about the portrayals of the G1 characters personally! Im very excited for the Generations comic, I think it will be a lot of fun. I have a lot of "out there" headcanons about how the G1 world works so I don't have a right to fuss about canon/fanon/comic interpretations.

That's how I feel too! After all, a new reboot or remake doesn't take anything away from the original tv show/movie. So a new interpretation of G1 characters doesn't take away anything from the 80's characters we love. It's just a new interpretation!
THIS!!  This is how I feel about new versions of things in general, whatever the new version does, it doesn't erase the old version(s) from existence, it's just a new version.  :)

This is how I feel about this and how I felt about the Jem comics. Tho I can understand someone being tired of the Mane 6 and would rather the G1 ponies have entirely new personalities than just be a rehash of the Mane 6. Not everyone has to love G4 (or everything about it) just like not everyone has to love G1 (or everything about it). Just as long as people handle it respectfully.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 28, 2021, 01:51:22 PM
I didn't know that comics did such things as "chase covers."

Oh yeah! Really adds to their collect-ability now.

There's usually always a "Cover A" and "Cover B" and you can find both at your local comic shop. Sometimes there will even be a "Cover C". Then there's the retailer incentives I mentioned, which are very rare and made so comic shops will order more in hopes of getting one of these rare covers. Then there's retailed exclusive covers, so certain chain shops can get special covers. I have a lot of FIM issues that are hot topic or hastings exclusives!
Heck, sometimes you can even get blank covers at conventions and commission artists to draw a one of a kind cover for you!

I really only collect MLP, Care Bear, and Godzilla comics so I don't go too crazy but I will buy multiple covers if they aren't too expensive secondhand :)

Ahh i see.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 20, 2021, 11:33:31 AM
Solicitations for issue 2 are now out:
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Grackle and Dyre, the young granddaughters of the evil witch Hydia, have set out to destroy all of pony-dom! And even worse-their plan might be working! Friendship begins to fall apart as their lackeys Black Belle, Shadow Storm, and Violet Shiver wreak havoc in Ponyville!
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Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 20, 2021, 11:37:56 AM
Uhh ok? What on earth is a grackle?

ETA: answered my own question,  it's a very pretty species of bird.

Has anyone actually read these yet?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: InkyMilk on August 20, 2021, 01:04:43 PM
I don't know anything about comics, so hopefully my questions aren't too stupid. But, where do you buy these? Are they online special order only?

We have a couple comic shops in the area, and I've been specifically on the lookout for these but have yet to come across them. Like I said, I don't really collect or read comics, and I really only want these "RI" cover, so I don't know if that's going to make them harder to find.

Also, I probably missed it, but how many issues will this mini-series be?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 20, 2021, 01:10:17 PM
I don't know anything about comics, so hopefully my questions aren't too stupid. But, where do you buy these? Are they online special order only?

We have a couple comic shops in the area, and I've been specifically on the lookout for these but have yet to come across them. Like I said, I don't really collect or read comics, and I really only want these "RI" cover, so I don't know if that's going to make them harder to find.

Also, I probably missed it, but how many issues will this mini-series be?

Type in mlp G1/G4 crossover comic and hit the shopping button and it'll tell you who has it.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on August 20, 2021, 01:14:08 PM
Aww, Blackbelle is what I called my favourite plushie. Cute to see MLP using the name. But I admit I'm not sure what any of this has to do with G1? ^^;

Also "granddaughters of Hydia" when's this meant to be set, then? :o That'd seem to indicate it's fairly far into the future, but then how do the G1 ponies come into it...? *confused* Why not just use Reeka and Draggle and have done with it. Well, I'm sure it'll make sense in context.

(How reliable are IDW's solicitations, does anyone know? I'm only really familiar with Boom Comics and their solitications weren't always reliable... sometimes they'd be perfect synopses and other times the actual story was completely different to what had been soliticited.. Just wondering so I know how much stock to put into these Generations solicitations. ^^;)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 20, 2021, 01:21:50 PM
Has anyone actually read these yet?
Don't think it's out yet.

I don't know anything about comics, so hopefully my questions aren't too stupid. But, where do you buy these? Are they online special order only?
RI stands for Retailer Incentive. The odds for this issue seem to be 1:10, so for every 10 issues ordered, at least one should be the cover. I know there are a few different sites that sell specialty covers, and the RI edition is likely to be more expensive and sought after. There's a chance you may find them in person if I'm understanding correctly.

(How reliable are IDW's solicitations, does anyone know?)
I've not seen any major issues with their solicitations.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 21, 2021, 05:14:16 PM
Aww, Blackbelle is what I called my favourite plushie. Cute to see MLP using the name. But I admit I'm not sure what any of this has to do with G1? ^^;

Also "granddaughters of Hydia" when's this meant to be set, then? :o That'd seem to indicate it's fairly far into the future, but then how do the G1 ponies come into it...? *confused* Why not just use Reeka and Draggle and have done with it. Well, I'm sure it'll make sense in context.

(How reliable are IDW's solicitations, does anyone know? I'm only really familiar with Boom Comics and their solitications weren't always reliable... sometimes they'd be perfect synopses and other times the actual story was completely different to what had been soliticited.. Just wondering so I know how much stock to put into these Generations solicitations. ^^;)

You expect Hasbro to conform to any sort of plot consistency?  ;)  I'm also not seeing either of these alleged granddaughters.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: ThermalMoon on August 22, 2021, 01:59:33 PM
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Grackle and Dyre, the young granddaughters of the evil witch Hydia, have set out to destroy all of pony-dom! And even worse-their plan might be working! Friendship begins to fall apart as their lackeys Black Belle, Shadow Storm, and Violet Shiver wreak havoc in Ponyville!

Granddaughters? I always assumed what was left of the gloom clan were just Hydia, Reeka, and Draggle. With their relatives having their souls attached to the paintings and living there, possibly as ghosts. But I suppose that's just speculation. Anyways, I'm curious to see where they go with this direction. I'm going to guess Hydia is pretty old in this G1 future, at least, I'm certain its the future. Concept six aside, I don't think Reeka or Draggle will play much of a role, probably more as background characters than anything. Plus I don't see any mention of them.

Oh, and I saw in the MLP FiM wiki that the G1 Smooze may be coming back. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but if it is, I think it may be too early to be bringing it back. The Smooze appeared in the MLP: Movie (1986) and didn't return for the TV series in MLP N' Friends. I'm not saying it shouldn't or it couldn't, I just think it's too soon to bring it in for this crossover. But that's just my opinion, I'm still interested to see where they go with this.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 22, 2021, 02:01:48 PM
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Grackle and Dyre, the young granddaughters of the evil witch Hydia, have set out to destroy all of pony-dom! And even worse-their plan might be working! Friendship begins to fall apart as their lackeys Black Belle, Shadow Storm, and Violet Shiver wreak havoc in Ponyville!

Granddaughters? I always assumed what was left of the gloom clan were just Hydia, Reeka, and Draggle. With their relatives having their souls attached to the paintings and living there, possibly as ghosts. But I suppose that's just speculation. Anyways, I'm curious to see where they go with this direction. I'm going to guess Hydia is pretty old in this G1 future, at least, I'm certain its the future. Concept six aside, I don't think Reeka or Draggle will play much of a role, probably more as background characters than anything. Plus I don't see any mention of them.

Oh, and I saw in the MLP FiM wiki that the G1 Smooze may be coming back. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but if it is, I think it may be too early to be bringing it back. The Smooze appeared in the MLP: Movie (1986) and didn't return for the TV series in MLP N' Friends. I'm not saying it shouldn't or it couldn't, I just think it's too soon to bring it in for this crossover. But that's just my opinion, I'm still interested to see where they go with this.

You can't have a family tree that um...infamous without popping out kids.  And their cousins were definitely alive during the song.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on August 22, 2021, 08:57:22 PM
My question is... are they Reeka's kids, or Draggle's? o.0
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 22, 2021, 09:21:06 PM
My question is... are they Reeka's kids, or Draggle's? o.0

Perhaps one of each?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Ragamuffin on August 23, 2021, 05:19:42 AM
My question is... are they Reeka's kids, or Draggle's? o.0

Perhaps one of each?

I was wondering if they were their kids, but then again, Hydia always insisted that she wasn't their mom, right? Or was it just to not *call* her mom? :P
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on August 23, 2021, 06:30:20 AM
Yeah Hydia was definitely their mum, she just didn't want to be called that :p

I was wondering whose kids they were, too. I'm betting one for each sister.

Still think it's weird they're going this route, it seems so needlessly complicated. Why not just use Reeka and Draggle themselves? So weird.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 23, 2021, 08:44:53 AM
Yeah Hydia was definitely their mum, she just didn't want to be called that :p

I was wondering whose kids they were, too. I'm betting one for each sister.

Still think it's weird they're going this route, it seems so needlessly complicated. Why not just use Reeka and Draggle themselves? So weird.

Maybe they're too old? Who knows.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Firehooves on August 27, 2021, 01:20:50 AM
Oh boy....

This is interesting...

I wonder how they will bring the generations together, as well as how they will portray the g1ponies
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on August 27, 2021, 04:36:15 PM
Yeah Hydia was definitely their mum, she just didn't want to be called that :p

I was wondering whose kids they were, too. I'm betting one for each sister.

Still think it's weird they're going this route, it seems so needlessly complicated. Why not just use Reeka and Draggle themselves? So weird.

Maybe they're too old? Who knows.

It probably depends how long the time span is...or if they're doing a weird time skip thing...or whatever.

I don't pretend I'm keeping up with the details of the plot, but if it's going to use a random mishmash of G1 ponies who mostly existed before the movie happened, it's hard to understand why Draggle and Reeka wouldn't be involved. Unless they're going to go down the dark path of them being smoozed to death or something. But if the G1 ponies have come through a timeskip, that might be different.

TBH I don't think this is going to be about G1 in the slightest though. They'll push the names and images in there to try and cash in on the popularity of the retro, since G4 is a dead fish now and they'll keep beating every drop out of it they can because they can't think up anything else (G5 is kind of proof of that, it's very blah compared to FIM).

That being the case, it probably doesn't matter if there's any continuity to the original witches. A single line aside to 'explain' that they're related is probably as much attention as it will get. I mean, there are also some ponies involved in the villainy too here, right?

 It's a shame they didn't use the original G1 cast that were in the movie, that might mean something...but I guess it's also true that it's not really aimed at people who grew up with G1.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 27, 2021, 04:44:00 PM
Yeah Hydia was definitely their mum, she just didn't want to be called that :p

I was wondering whose kids they were, too. I'm betting one for each sister.

Still think it's weird they're going this route, it seems so needlessly complicated. Why not just use Reeka and Draggle themselves? So weird.

Maybe they're too old? Who knows.

It probably depends how long the time span is...or if they're doing a weird time skip thing...or whatever.

I don't pretend I'm keeping up with the details of the plot, but if it's going to use a random mishmash of G1 ponies who mostly existed before the movie happened, it's hard to understand why Draggle and Reeka wouldn't be involved. Unless they're going to go down the dark path of them being smoozed to death or something. But if the G1 ponies have come through a timeskip, that might be different.

TBH I don't think this is going to be about G1 in the slightest though. They'll push the names and images in there to try and cash in on the popularity of the retro, since G4 is a dead fish now and they'll keep beating every drop out of it they can because they can't think up anything else (G5 is kind of proof of that, it's very blah compared to FIM).

That being the case, it probably doesn't matter if there's any continuity to the original witches. A single line aside to 'explain' that they're related is probably as much attention as it will get. I mean, there are also some ponies involved in the villainy too here, right?

 It's a shame they didn't use the original G1 cast that were in the movie, that might mean something...but I guess it's also true that it's not really aimed at people who grew up with G1.

I dunno. They sounded pretty lively after being dumped into the volcano.  Lol. But I agree 100% that they should have used the movie ponies.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on August 28, 2021, 05:27:05 AM
I just find it weird, it's meant to be a G1 crossover thing and then they make up a bunch of new characters instead of using the established cast? They didn't do this with the Transformers crossover comic, right? I saw some panels from that and it looked like the usual cast, no new guys. :/ Like, I'm not asking for a strict adherence to the G1 cartoons here, I don't mind keeping things flexible, but what is the point of doing a cross-gen thing if you're just going to be using stuff loosely based on G1?? I don't get it.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on August 28, 2021, 08:17:09 AM
I just find it weird, it's meant to be a G1 crossover thing and then they make up a bunch of new characters instead of using the established cast? They didn't do this with the Transformers crossover comic, right? I saw some panels from that and it looked like the usual cast, no new guys. :/ Like, I'm not asking for a strict adherence to the G1 cartoons here, I don't mind keeping things flexible, but what is the point of doing a cross-gen thing if you're just going to be using stuff loosely based on G1?? I don't get it.

It is possible the writers for this are the same as the original G4 comic. Therefore they're writing what they are comfortable with. But just as someone who grew up with G1 - I feel like if you're referencing something that happened in G1, with G1 characters and such, use the right ones? Use the actual witches and the actual ponies?

Let's not forget though that age-wise, the kids who grew up with G1 are not going to be the target demographic. The target audience probably don't know or don't care that much about those details. So maybe it's just not important, or maybe it's this eternal obsession we see in media at the moment to take something original and add a new 'twist' to it. Like writing professional fanfiction? I feel there's a fair bit of that around with all the rehashed remakes we've seen in recent years.

I don't actually like the movie, and I don't really care for the characterisation of the original ponies involved in it, as, aside Wind Whistler, I prefer the UK comic iterations of all of them. BUT...am I right in thinking that all the concept six can now be bought as retro ponies? So could that be a factor? Firefly, Surprise, Posey, Twilight,  Sparkler...Applejack. Yes, they can. Whereas...that's not true for most of the characters in the movie? Could that be a factor in choosing these?

Even if that is the case, though, I'm more bothered by the repackaging of G1 into the forced framework of G4 (ie by using the concept 6 in a story they don't belong in) than I am the comic using a G1 concept. It doesn't matter how you dress it up, it's still trampling over people's childhoods :/
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on August 28, 2021, 01:05:24 PM
I don't care so much which ponies they use... If they're going with the movie setting then it'd probably make the most sense to use Wind Whistler, Morning Glory etc, but the concept ponies, sure, okay, why not. I could see the Basic Fun toys playing a part here too, that definitely seems plausible.. I don't *think* any of the ponies in the movie, have been remade by Basic Fun (yet?). Though tbh I think they're less bothered about which toy is on the shop shelves, and more concerned with which ponies the G4 crowd will ~recognize~ -_-

but that aside, it's all these new chars I don't *get*. Like I said, maybe it'll make perfect sense when we've actually read the story, I don't know, but just going off the info we have now... why make up *new* witches? What difference does it make?? It just seems needlessly overcomplicated... If they just wanted to use the general idea, and no specific characters etc from the movie, then why market it as a G1/G4 crossover in the first place...? I just find it all weird.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Ragamuffin on August 28, 2021, 02:37:31 PM
I don't care so much which ponies they use... If they're going with the movie setting then it'd probably make the most sense to use Wind Whistler, Morning Glory etc, but the concept ponies, sure, okay, why not. I could see the Basic Fun toys playing a part here too, that definitely seems plausible.. I don't *think* any of the ponies in the movie, have been remade by Basic Fun (yet?). Though tbh I think they're less bothered about which toy is on the shop shelves, and more concerned with which ponies the G4 crowd will ~recognize~ -_-

but that aside, it's all these new chars I don't *get*. Like I said, maybe it'll make perfect sense when we've actually read the story, I don't know, but just going off the info we have now... why make up *new* witches? What difference does it make?? It just seems needlessly overcomplicated... If they just wanted to use the general idea, and no specific characters etc from the movie, then why market it as a G1/G4 crossover in the first place...? I just find it all weird.

Gusty, Fizzy, and Sweet Stuff come to mind. :) But Wind Whistler, Baby Lickety Split, Rosedust, Spike, Shady... Megan... nope...

Maybe they'll bring back Tirek and Grogar and the Smooze, too, but only their G4 versions. :lmao: For really no reason other than it's the crossover and you have to cram as many references as possible... (but only the ones that G4 fans will know)?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on August 28, 2021, 04:21:39 PM
Oh duh - I can't believe I forgot the Twinkle Eyes! :blush: And yeah, Gusty too, you're right.

I was wondering about the G1 characters G4.... "repurposed", too. Especially the Smooze, since that was the witches' thing - feels like that'll come up, at least... though for some reason, I get the feeling it'll just be brought up quickly for a brief joke and then dropped again. :shrug:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on August 29, 2021, 08:13:41 PM
I just find it weird, it's meant to be a G1 crossover thing and then they make up a bunch of new characters instead of using the established cast? They didn't do this with the Transformers crossover comic, right? I saw some panels from that and it looked like the usual cast, no new guys. :/ Like, I'm not asking for a strict adherence to the G1 cartoons here, I don't mind keeping things flexible, but what is the point of doing a cross-gen thing if you're just going to be using stuff loosely based on G1?? I don't get it.

IDW recently has been doing a lot of crossovers. They did a 5-issue Transformers/Ghostbusters crossover and I read it, I found it interesting that the "main character" on the Transformers side of it was an entirely new character they made up just for the comic. And they put out a toy of him, too! (Not a widely released one. I think it was some convention exclusive.)

My point is that it's not unusual to have new characters for these sort of retro stories. Maybe in fact they did choose the "retro Mane Six" just so that Basic Fun or Hasbro could do some sort of toy of them in the future, or maybe it was for another reason. Maybe it just made sense to the plotline of the story within the comic that these two groups of ponies will team up across generations! Only time will tell. :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Bathtub on September 09, 2021, 10:15:06 PM
I love it! Maybe we'll get to see Sparkler say "way to go Fluttershy you messed up again!" 

Also I'll compare them to the G1s in my UK annuals....wait a minute....How does Majesty fit in with Celestia? There can be only one, right?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 09, 2021, 10:20:56 PM
No idea Carrehz. I like the colors on Blackbelle and Violet Shiver. Pity this is looking to be more G4 then a proper crossover.   :nope:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on September 10, 2021, 12:25:25 AM
No idea Carrehz. I like the colors on Blackbelle and Violet Shiver. Pity this is looking to be more G4 then a proper crossover.   :nope:

I would think that would be easier for the writers, who are probably the same people, as then they don't have to do any research. But it's not a crossover really like that.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MouseCardinal on September 10, 2021, 04:43:11 AM
No idea Carrehz. I like the colors on Blackbelle and Violet Shiver. Pity this is looking to be more G4 then a proper crossover.   :nope:
If it is then it really reduces my interest in it down to zero, lol. I was already hesitant about there being too much G4 :enraged: Ah, well. Guess it was expected
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 10, 2021, 10:04:10 AM
No idea Carrehz. I like the colors on Blackbelle and Violet Shiver. Pity this is looking to be more G4 then a proper crossover.   :nope:

I would think that would be easier for the writers, who are probably the same people, as then they don't have to do any research. But it's not a crossover really like that.


Yeah, it sure sucks that anyone crossing over two properties or generational iterations can't get off their butts and actually do research. :rolleyes:  Nm that they have a ton of easy sources to draw from, and the movie isn't some rare and expensive thing to track down, or to watch. 

This sounds essentially like legal fanfiction with no knowledge or thought put into it at all. And I've seen some truly excellent mlp cross gen fanfiction.  Even Star Wars extended universe had and used the extensive knowledge base and world building available to it, while each author gave their stories their own unique twist, and new characters.

Dunno if this will be good or not, but not impressed by the plot thus far.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on October 20, 2021, 10:43:29 AM
The first comic is out!
Spoiler
I didn't like it at all.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 20, 2021, 10:55:17 AM
The first comic is out!
Spoiler
I didn't like it at all.

Sorry to hear it. How come?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on October 20, 2021, 12:01:13 PM
lol your opinion isn't a spoiler, tealeaf! You can share with us what you did or didn't like. :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Ragamuffin on October 20, 2021, 12:34:16 PM
The first comic is out!
Spoiler
I didn't like it at all.

Sorry to hear it. How come?

I haven't read it myself (yet?), but from the sounds of it, it's not very G1-y. :P The Witches aren't really witches but are apparently ponies banished to the EQG world or something? The G1 ponies haven't showed up at all yet...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on October 20, 2021, 12:35:45 PM
I'm with you on this one, Tealeaf, honestly was surprised at HOW disappointing it was...

(Plot details under cut, I guess)

Spoiler
VOLCANO OF GLOOM, writers!!! Not "Gloom Volcano"!!! You know you're in for A Time when there's an error literally on page one, really sets the tone... I mean come ON, that's just basic stuff!

I've gotta say, I REALLY hope they step up their game in issue 2... So far there's NO sign of G1, apart from the aforementioned screwed-up volcano name. The "witches" for some reason look like Equestria Girls (technicolour skin, hair etc, even their fashion sense is VERY EQG-y) with a bit of the Jem comic aesthetic thrown in for good measure...? Nothing like Reeka and Draggle. Supposedly they're R&D's daughters, but the only way you can tell is how they mentioned their mothers every couple of panels (this was really forced.. idk how to explain it exactly, but they just really kept going "oh yeah like our moms" a LOT, really shoving it down our throats? As if that "legitimizes" these chars' relationships to the old ones? IDK how else to explain it, but that stood out to me as being weirdly written). Otherwise they just hung around spouting modern dialogue and being super out of place...

The rest of the comic was pure G4. No G1 ponies apart from the covers. :/ Really not impressed so far.

I will say though, I did like how they included the alt. covers at the back of the comic, that was a very nice touch. Usually I just see that done with the trade paperbacks. So I'll give them that. But yeah, so far I'm not liking this whatsoever. :( I mean, I went into it with fairly low expectations (it was a "Let's see how it goes" not a "OMG I'm so excited!!" if that makes sense) but geez...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 20, 2021, 12:45:22 PM
The first comic is out!
Spoiler
I didn't like it at all.

Sorry to hear it. How come?

I haven't read it myself (yet?), but from the sounds of it, it's not very G1-y. :P The Witches aren't really witches but are apparently ponies banished to the EQG world or something? The G1 ponies haven't showed up at all yet...


Post Merge: October 20, 2021, 12:46:43 PM

I'm with you on this one, Tealeaf, honestly was surprised at HOW disappointing it was...

(Plot details under cut, I guess)

Spoiler
VOLCANO OF GLOOM, writers!!! Not "Gloom Volcano"!!! You know you're in for A Time when there's an error literally on page one, really sets the tone... I mean come ON, that's just basic stuff!

I've gotta say, I REALLY hope they step up their game in issue 2... So far there's NO sign of G1, apart from the aforementioned screwed-up volcano name. The "witches" for some reason look like Equestria Girls (technicolour skin, hair etc, even their fashion sense is VERY EQG-y) with a bit of the Jem comic aesthetic thrown in for good measure...? Nothing like Reeka and Draggle. Supposedly they're R&D's daughters, but the only way you can tell is how they mentioned their mothers every couple of panels (this was really forced.. idk how to explain it exactly, but they just really kept going "oh yeah like our moms" a LOT, really shoving it down our throats? As if that "legitimizes" these chars' relationships to the old ones? IDK how else to explain it, but that stood out to me as being weirdly written). Otherwise they just hung around spouting modern dialogue and being super out of place...

The rest of the comic was pure G4. No G1 ponies apart from the covers. :/ Really not impressed so far.

I will say though, I did like how they included the alt. covers at the back of the comic, that was a very nice touch. Usually I just see that done with the trade paperbacks. So I'll give them that. But yeah, so far I'm not liking this whatsoever. :( I mean, I went into it with fairly low expectations (it was a "Let's see how it goes" not a "OMG I'm so excited!!" if that makes sense) but geez...


Seriously? Wow, way to drop the ball IDW writers.  :nope:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on October 20, 2021, 02:29:56 PM
I'm with you on this one, Tealeaf, honestly was surprised at HOW disappointing it was...

(Plot details under cut, I guess)

Spoiler
VOLCANO OF GLOOM, writers!!! Not "Gloom Volcano"!!! You know you're in for A Time when there's an error literally on page one, really sets the tone... I mean come ON, that's just basic stuff!

I've gotta say, I REALLY hope they step up their game in issue 2... So far there's NO sign of G1, apart from the aforementioned screwed-up volcano name. The "witches" for some reason look like Equestria Girls (technicolour skin, hair etc, even their fashion sense is VERY EQG-y) with a bit of the Jem comic aesthetic thrown in for good measure...? Nothing like Reeka and Draggle. Supposedly they're R&D's daughters, but the only way you can tell is how they mentioned their mothers every couple of panels (this was really forced.. idk how to explain it exactly, but they just really kept going "oh yeah like our moms" a LOT, really shoving it down our throats? As if that "legitimizes" these chars' relationships to the old ones? IDK how else to explain it, but that stood out to me as being weirdly written). Otherwise they just hung around spouting modern dialogue and being super out of place...

The rest of the comic was pure G4. No G1 ponies apart from the covers. :/ Really not impressed so far.

I will say though, I did like how they included the alt. covers at the back of the comic, that was a very nice touch. Usually I just see that done with the trade paperbacks. So I'll give them that. But yeah, so far I'm not liking this whatsoever. :( I mean, I went into it with fairly low expectations (it was a "Let's see how it goes" not a "OMG I'm so excited!!" if that makes sense) but geez...

I'm with you 100%! I preordered the digital on iTunes. It came available at like midnight and I read past the pages they previewed before and while reading the next 3 pages I was "REALLY?!" then skipped past to see if Surprise was in the remaining pages and was disappointed I'll have to wait for the next issue though I'm DREADING what they'll do with her now.  :yikes:

Spoiler
You summed up the daughters very well! I couldn't put my feelings into words only 'UGH!!" when I went back to read it after hunting the rest of the pages for the G1's. The whole ''Geeze they were just pranking them :rolleyes: like OMG!" thing was horrible -_- I know they could have told them that as kids but WHY THOUGH?! Then the rat being able to eat thru "TIME/SPACE STUFF". By that time I was reading but not processing it very well, like the G4 stuff was BORING. Why are they acting like they never thought they would need more teachers down the line  :doh: and so on... Anyway, when it got back to the daughters my mind kept reading like they suddenly could NEVER leave the volcano, when before it was they couldn't do magic outside the volcano? Then that stupid game map of the rat getting them the ingredients....I just stopped trying to comprehend what was going on and just wanting to know how badly they treat Surprise cause that's the only thing I'm willing to get more of the comics for  ^^;

When I read your part of them not being anything like Reeka and Draggle I was 'I did see one kind of chubby and the one skinny.." but until you said the techno color part...I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WHERE DIFFERENT COLORS! My mind must have not wanted to realize that part at all.  :doh:
I just saw Dyer's skin town and imagined it was the same on the other's skin...and I cringed so hard over they top three magic choices, all modern crap. CONVENTIONS?! You got to be kidding me... the whole daughters thing was like they only looked at screen caps of the movie and End of Flutter Valley and didn't actually watch them  >_<

The sign for the volcano didn't bug me too much for some reason o.O

Want to go on but my brain is sad now  :P

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on October 20, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
I didn't want to be a Debby downer! I just. I don't like how the IDW comics are now, even the past few series (including season 10) just are so boring and don't grab my attention. They throw characters in left and right as if there aren't enough characters from the past 9 seasons that at least I care MILDLY about having seen them in episodes.

That was my big problem with this comic. Who are these people? Daughters of the witches. Why not...the actual witches? They don't even resemble them, I can't pinpoint who is the daughter of who. Who's the magic rat. What's going on, I don't care.

The art was also really weak for this entry. I know it's the artists first time with ponies, but seeing what feel like stock photos pasted in every panel just takes me out of it. We've had artists with unique styles, I would have preferred to see that artists personal take on the ponies than what was essentially a DeviantArt vector comic.

If you were considering picking up this just to see G1...they're not in there. Don't bother. If you like the past few IDW comics, maybe you'll enjoy it? I just spent every page going "who cares. Who cares. Who cares"

Hopefully we see something more interesting later on, for now this just felt like another "Season Ten" issue that I read and immediately forget.

(I'm on my phone, count the spelling errors! I'm sure there's a few)

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on October 21, 2021, 07:02:49 AM
Took the words right out of my mouth Tailrust. It's a shame cause I DID just pick this up to see what they did with G1 :( I really wanted to give it a chance but there's just no crossover in this crossover!

The witch daughters.. I really honestly feel almost like they were designed for some OTHER story but not used, and then they decided to have a G1 crossover and recycled the designs for this, even though it doesn't make sense. It'd certainly explain why they look nothing like their supposed relatives :/ Not that I was hoping for a "generation xerox" design (i.e. for the daughters to look exactly like their mothers) but come on!! I said from the get-go "why not just use the ACTUAL witches" but I was hoping it'd make sense when I'd actually read it, but man, it makes even LESS sense after reading! Geez.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Bekuno on October 24, 2021, 04:57:33 PM
I don't know if it'll be enough to sway any of you who have decided, but I wouldn't lose hope if you genuinely want to see G1 characters appear. I keep up with solicitation summary's as they appear on EQD, and you might want to see the summary for issue #4:

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The original ponies are here! North Star, Lickety-Split, Minty, Rosedust, Lofty, and more team up with Starlight Glimmer, Twilight Sparkle, and the rest of the gang to get to the bottom of the strange, havoc-wreaking Smooze.

The plan of witches Grackle and Dyre is heating up! Can the combined forces of our favorite ponies stop them?!

I haven't had to chance to pick up this comic or the final issue of FIM yet, but maybe this won't be the worst thing? I've just been disappointed with the new artist so far.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 24, 2021, 05:29:25 PM
I'm confused.  :blink:

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So they don't show up till the second-to-last issue, and are now a completely different set of ponies then the ones on the covers? I mean, I'm glad  they're going with some of the movie ponies. It just seems to be a bit strange that they're doing a sudden switch-a-roo. Also, why is Minty there? :wonder:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on October 24, 2021, 06:11:18 PM
I'm confused.  :blink:

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So they don't show up till the second-to-last issue, and are now a completely different set of ponies then the ones on the covers? I mean, I'm glad  they're going with some of the movie ponies. It just seems to be a bit strange that they're doing a sudden switch-a-roo. Also, why is Minty there? :wonder:

It says "and more" so the ones from the cover could be in there too.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on October 25, 2021, 05:00:39 AM
Let's not forget it was really common for later (especially post G1) releases of G1 animation on DVD/VHS to appear with completely the wrong ponies/style of ponies/utterly made up ponies on the covers, so I don't think that's a new thing.

What will matter is whether they're inside the comic.

I reserve judgement till there's more information available.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on October 25, 2021, 05:01:40 AM
I don't know if it'll be enough to sway any of you who have decided, but I wouldn't lose hope if you genuinely want to see G1 characters appear. I keep up with solicitation summary's as they appear on EQD, and you might want to see the summary for issue #4:

Spoiler
The original ponies are here! North Star, Lickety-Split, Minty, Rosedust, Lofty, and more team up with Starlight Glimmer, Twilight Sparkle, and the rest of the gang to get to the bottom of the strange, havoc-wreaking Smooze.

The plan of witches Grackle and Dyre is heating up! Can the combined forces of our favorite ponies stop them?!

Oh so,
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It's not just the "Concept Six", and they are including other G1s?
I haven't read any of the comics yet, much less this series, but however they end up doing it, I'll be ultimately fine with it, as I like the idea behind it, and if worst comes to worst and they don't portray the G1s well (not saying they won't) it is just one portrayal of them, and we still have the G1 portrayals of them and anything else we like.

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Also, why is Minty there? :wonder:
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Presumably because she's Minty, she's a popular pony in various ways (like even some G3 haters liked her to some-extent, apparently), or maybe the people doing these comics liked her so much they chose to include her, despite the fact that this is billed as a G4 meets G1 style storyline.  They may have been like; "Who cares?!  It's Minty!"

That's assuming it's G3 Minty and not G1 Minty of course.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on October 25, 2021, 06:54:59 AM
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.

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So we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*

And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on October 25, 2021, 08:53:18 AM
Probably good to remember that
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(At least I'm pretty sure?) G1 Minty didn't have a backcard story anyway ;) and was never in the comic. She was in the factfile in purple, but I think that's all we have.

The MO leaflets have collective stuff on the first 6 but that's all. I'm pretty sure there isn't a story on the original first six backcard.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on October 25, 2021, 11:07:31 AM
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Yeah, I was talking in general wrt the backcards.

I did forget she wasn't in the comics though - I was thinking of the factfile, yeah.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on October 25, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.

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So we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*

And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...

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They could just take G1 Minty and give her G3 Minty's personality.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on October 25, 2021, 11:58:47 AM
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.

Spoiler
So we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*

And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...

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They could just take G1 Minty and give her G3 Minty's personality.

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geez, I hope not :p They're different characters with the same name, let's leave it at that and not do the "Oh, same name, same diff right?" thing.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on October 25, 2021, 05:54:23 PM
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.

Spoiler
So we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*

And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...

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They could just take G1 Minty and give her G3 Minty's personality.

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geez, I hope not :p They're different characters with the same name, let's leave it at that and not do the "Oh, same name, same diff right?" thing.

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But what I gathered from here she doesn't really have a canon personality. (Tbh I'm not super well versed in the G1 cartoon. While I am into all generations as far as the toys go I never really watched any of the cartoons before G4 and even that one I dropped off on somewhere along the way) If that's the case then while it's not the most creative move it wouldn't go against any past canon if they did that.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on October 26, 2021, 07:11:57 AM
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.

Spoiler
So we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*

And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...

Spoiler
They could just take G1 Minty and give her G3 Minty's personality.

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geez, I hope not :p They're different characters with the same name, let's leave it at that and not do the "Oh, same name, same diff right?" thing.

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But what I gathered from here she doesn't really have a canon personality. (Tbh I'm not super well versed in the G1 cartoon. While I am into all generations as far as the toys go I never really watched any of the cartoons before G4 and even that one I dropped off on somewhere along the way) If that's the case then while it's not the most creative move it wouldn't go against any past canon if they did that.
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yeah, exactly my point - why use G1 Minty and graft G3 Minty's personality onto her, instead of just... using one of the G1s that WAS in the movie/cartoon...??

Not that I necessarily have a problem with them making up their *own* personality for Minty/anyone else (like I've said before, I've got my own ideas of personalities for some G1s, we probably all do) but again, since they're using the movie continuity here... in theory, anyway... just seems weird to toss in an otherwise-unrelated pony because she has the same name as a popular G3. And if it IS G3 Minty, then that's weird to toss a G3 into a supposed "G1/G4" crossover.

(unless it turned into an all-gen crossover... but LOL of course they're not going to acknowledge G2)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 27, 2021, 08:57:07 AM
Heh. I knew I spotted Lofty.

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And why are they bringing them in so late?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on October 27, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Heh. I knew I spotted Lofty.

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And why are they bringing them in so late?

Note: Still haven't read any of it.
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Setting and/or building things up?  Seems strange though as this is billed as "G4 meets G1" for all intents and purposes, so you'd think they'd have them in earlier, even if it's a "Meanwhile..." to show us what the G1s are doing and/or them being affected by the villains' actions or whatever.

I mean, a project I'm working on is planned to wait a season for the pre-G4s to appear, but I'm not sure if that's the same.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on November 04, 2021, 03:05:27 PM
Found some more covers for the upcoming issues... I found them here (https://forbiddenplanet.com/catalog/?tag=series:my-little-pony-generations&utm_medium=promotion&utm_source=342754-my-little-pony-generations-4-cover-a-cacciatore&utm_campaign=product-detail-order-related-products&samples=337255,337256,337257) (I hope that link works), not reposting all of them since most of them are just G4 stuff, no G1, but this one I had to post...

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Okay, I'm confused. Why is Morning Glory there (check the symbol, that's definitely hers) when the solicitation says Rosedust, and why is she purple and red?!?! Also this is a bit nitpicky but that body is all wrong... that's a regular earth pony body, not a flutter body... wouldn't nitpick if the artist was using their own style, but it definitely looks like they were trying to mimic the Rescue at Midnight Castle art style (which might explain why Glory's symbol is all purple instead of the star being silver, cause RaMC coloured it that way too) so.. (I know the flutters weren't in RaMC but you get what i mean, they're clearly referencing off the cartoon here) The symbol could be a goof-up or maybe a last-minute character change, or just yet another example of the covers not matching the story contents, but I'm really confused as to where they got those colours from...

And that's definitely G3 Minty, not G1 Minty. So... I'm confused, I really don't get what she's doing here.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 04, 2021, 03:16:33 PM
Honestly, I'm surprised anyone is surprised that it's not accurate. Again, there are a lot of issues with those kinds of illustrations on the dvd and vhs cases. Even in the later G1 comics sometimes it's a bit odd. And I'm not talking about when they've used prototypes as the base for illustrations. I'm talking about...well, we could just start with the many designs of Dazzleglow...

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/dazzleglow.htm (http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/dazzleglow.htm)
(see bottom of page)

Point being, they're not going to get it right. Even in G1, if the pony wasn't right there in stores at that exact time (and even if it was), sometimes there were glitches. The G1 fact file has a purple Minty and a unicorn honeycomb, after all! These aren't people who have the ponies in front of them. It's a sort of miracle if they've looked at some screencaptures from the old shows, tbh.

The one confusion for me is probably morning glory, but it also seems like they don't know how to draw her.  So possibly they haven't had access to the movie...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2021, 03:50:04 PM
Wth?That's Morning Glory? Coulda fooled me! I honestly had no idea who that was supposed to be. Are we sure that's not a miscolored Forget-Me-Not? And who's that towards the back? Baby Cuddles? The only one I recognize is Glory. And I think that's supposed to be either Cotton Candy or Baby Lickety-split.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on November 04, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
Pink pony is cotton candy looking. Honestly I think the artist is probably out of their comfort zone in drawing outside of the gen 4 style lol
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 04, 2021, 04:03:53 PM
Pink pony is cotton candy looking. Honestly I think the artist is probably out of their comfort zone in drawing outside of the gen 4 style lol

I agree, it seems like cotton candy to me.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
Honestly, I'm surprised anyone is surprised that it's not accurate. Again, there are a lot of issues with those kinds of illustrations on the dvd and vhs cases. Even in the later G1 comics sometimes it's a bit odd. And I'm not talking about when they've used prototypes as the base for illustrations. I'm talking about...well, we could just start with the many designs of Dazzleglow...

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/dazzleglow.htm (http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/dazzleglow.htm)
(see bottom of page)

Point being, they're not going to get it right. Even in G1, if the pony wasn't right there in stores at that exact time (and even if it was), sometimes there were glitches. The G1 fact file has a purple Minty and a unicorn honeycomb, after all! These aren't people who have the ponies in front of them. It's a sort of miracle if they've looked at some screencaptures from the old shows, tbh.

The one confusion for me is probably morning glory, but it also seems like they don't know how to draw her.  So possibly they haven't had access to the movie...


You can easily find movie clips on YouTube as well as other ways to watch it . If you catch my drift.

Pink pony is cotton candy looking. Honestly I think the artist is probably out of their comfort zone in drawing outside of the gen 4 style lol

They might not be that far outside their comfort zone  because the artwork is very nice. Its just a bit confusing.



Post Merge: November 04, 2021, 04:15:24 PM

You know what? Nm. I guess they might have based her off a screen error.

http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/G1_Morning_Glory
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 04, 2021, 04:19:36 PM
...That pretty much suggests they drew her using the wiki.

Okay then. :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
...That pretty much suggests they drew her using the wiki.

Okay then. :)

They couldn't have scrolled down a little and corrected it?  :huh:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Ragamuffin on November 04, 2021, 04:23:40 PM
I was thinking maybe Sundance, but an incorrect Cotton Candy seems more likely. ;) I associate Cotton Candy with having hair closer to her coat colour, but I guess if you're referencing the 25th Anniversary Repro, maybe not. :lol:


As for Morning Glory, it looks like Morning Glory to me, but they used her cartoon colours. Same exact colours... maybe directly from this screenshot from My Little Wiki? ;) Double checked with the movie and End of Flutter Valley and it just seems like this is a weird screenshot with weird colours, her actual colours seem to be more green and accurate in the cartoon...

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...That pretty much suggests they drew her using the wiki.

Okay then. :)

Posted just as I finished this comment haha
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2021, 04:26:11 PM
I know I've been totally ripping on these people here, but is it wrong that I'm kinda amused that they based her off a color error? :lol:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 04, 2021, 04:27:45 PM
If they're using the wiki, no wonder they're confused. I'm not insulting the wiki, but it's full of G1 ponies in sets and based around the toyline, and they're hopping all over the place with which ponies they want to use...

Yeah, that makes sense somehow.

But I agree with LAW, that's quite amusing. To use the MLW screengrab, the one image that doesn't reflect Morning Glory.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Ragamuffin on November 04, 2021, 04:34:53 PM
If they're using the wiki, no wonder they're confused. I'm not insulting the wiki, but it's full of G1 ponies in sets and based around the toyline, and they're hopping all over the place with which ponies they want to use...

Yeah, that makes sense somehow.

But I agree with LAW, that's quite amusing. To use the MLW screengrab, the one image that doesn't reflect Morning Glory.

This makes redhead Morning Glory somewhat canon... waiting for customs to be made... :devious:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 04, 2021, 04:40:26 PM
No...it just exposes that they don't know the first thing about G1 and don't have any viable source material to use as their reference. If they did proper research on the characters they wanted to draw, then they'd probably get the colours right, whatever style they used.

It usually annoys me when collectors put random words into the search engine and just believe whatever answer it spits out, but this...is on a whole new level.

I don't even know what to think.
(But go mad on the customs anyway xD)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2021, 04:42:37 PM
No...it just exposes that they don't know the first thing about G1 and don't have any viable source material to use as their reference. If they did proper research on the characters they wanted to draw, then they'd probably get the colours right, whatever style they used.

It usually annoys me when collectors put random words into the search engine and just believe whatever answer it spits out, but this...is on a whole new level.

I don't even know what to think.
(But go mad on the customs anyway xD)

Would those customs be titled Screen Error Morning Glory?  :P
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 04, 2021, 05:11:12 PM
No...it just exposes that they don't know the first thing about G1 and don't have any viable source material to use as their reference. If they did proper research on the characters they wanted to draw, then they'd probably get the colours right, whatever style they used.

It usually annoys me when collectors put random words into the search engine and just believe whatever answer it spits out, but this...is on a whole new level.

I don't even know what to think.
(But go mad on the customs anyway xD)

Would those customs be titled Screen Error Morning Glory?  :P

Abbreviated to Scrorny.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2021, 05:15:09 PM
No...it just exposes that they don't know the first thing about G1 and don't have any viable source material to use as their reference. If they did proper research on the characters they wanted to draw, then they'd probably get the colours right, whatever style they used.

It usually annoys me when collectors put random words into the search engine and just believe whatever answer it spits out, but this...is on a whole new level.

I don't even know what to think.
(But go mad on the customs anyway xD)

Would those customs be titled Screen Error Morning Glory?  :P

Abbreviated to Scrorny.

Scrorny! :snicker:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on November 05, 2021, 07:36:49 AM
Dang, you're right, looks like they DID use that wonky screengrab as a ref! I was racking my brains trying to figure out where the heck the colours could've come from, since everyone else is pretty much the right colours and I couldn't recall Morning Glory ever going purple.. that cap must've come from a bad/low quality TV grab or something, I'm pretty sure her colours are consistent in the series.

Although, going off how they drew her wings, it looks like they DID look up more than one ref pic so... weird. Maybe someone else coloured it. Her colours aren't that off in the screenshot either... It's just odd since CC and Glory are drawn pretty much exactly how they appear in RaMC:

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right down to the ribbon colours, and then there's purple MG and it's just... *shakes head*
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on November 05, 2021, 08:27:56 AM
Oh geeze  :hmm:

I'm surprised they didn't some how add Starlite running on the rainbow.

I'm glad I wasn't expecting to enjoy this comic. Now I'm only for the Volcano and any signs of Surprise, even if they mess her up. :zzz:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on November 05, 2021, 10:00:46 AM
I'm afraid now that they're just going to color morning glory wrong when she appears in the actual comic! That feels like a pretty dire error. They have to provide cover artists with some sort of colors, right?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 05, 2021, 10:16:53 AM
I'd love a new pony in those colors. Reminds me of Twist. Maybe G5 will finally see a resurgence of flutter ponies? Make the wings translucent and colorful like sun catchers.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on November 05, 2021, 01:09:52 PM
I'll admit, I'm not entirely sure how comic covers work these days, with all the variant covers and such. Some of the ones I've seen (not for MLP specifically but in general) definitely seem to have been a case of "We gave the artists free reign" idk if they'd have been regulating colours... but yeah you'd have thought someone would have pointed it out. :p I'm still curious as to why it's Morning Glory at all since the solicitation said it was *Rosedust* in the story? Not that there's anything wrong with them having both but I dunno, it just seems weird.

(Well.... actually I'd prefer they keep away from MG since she's my favourite and I don't want them to mess her up, but.. you know what I mean. :silly:)

I hope they get it right for the comic itself, at least. Heck maybe they could fix the cover before it goes to print if they realize it's messed up in time, somehow I feel like they probably won't bother to though x) I really wouldn't nitpick if it was just a slight colour error but come on... would it really have killed them to do more than 0.2 seconds of research on this? ^^;;;
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 05, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
I can completely believe they did 0.2 seconds of research on it. This is the world we live in now. I swear, if people did more than 0.2 seconds of research on their pony finds and collections, I'd probably be able to retire. I'd certainly have a party. It's the fault of google. The instant answer is better than the one that takes time, and this is kind of the proof of it.

Also, I don't think they really think our generation will notice, or care, about this as an entity. And there's no real recognition or respect for G1 as a thing in the whole construction of this. They're just tools to try and construct their own version of the narrative. It's not really like they've seriously tried (from what we've seen so far) to build a cohesive cast or narrative for this collab.

Instead of having a selection of specific ponies and sticking to it and illustrating them in the way they have the M6, they've been all over the place.

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 06, 2021, 08:45:34 AM
I can completely believe they did 0.2 seconds of research on it. This is the world we live in now. I swear, if people did more than 0.2 seconds of research on their pony finds and collections, I'd probably be able to retire. I'd certainly have a party. It's the fault of google. The instant answer is better than the one that takes time, and this is kind of the proof of it.

Also, I don't think they really think our generation will notice, or care, about this as an entity. And there's no real recognition or respect for G1 as a thing in the whole construction of this. They're just tools to try and construct their own version of the narrative. It's not really like they've seriously tried (from what we've seen so far) to build a cohesive cast or narrative for this collab.

Instead of having a selection of specific ponies and sticking to it and illustrating them in the way they have the M6, they've been all over the place.


I've a feeling this little "project" will go out with barely a whimper anyway. It certainly didn't come in with a bang.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on November 18, 2021, 02:39:42 PM
The next issue is another big snooze fest.... VERY predictable and all the modern things in the dialog of the daughters is ANNOYING.

I only like Violet Shiver because I love winter/snow/ice stuff...

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To me it feels like they never watched The End of Flutter Valley with the dialog happening when they are reading the letter they got from one of the mom's. but maybe I'm wrong. it was hard to concentrate reading the whole transaction with that letter....  :blink:

I fear I already know what's going to happen in the next issue  :zzz:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on November 19, 2021, 08:00:07 AM
My spoiler-y review!

Issue 1:
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Okay so I always jokingly say some artists can draw people really well and some artists can draw animals really well, but rarely can one draw both. That certainly seems to be the case here, because the human characters look very well done and in proportion, but the ponies are not drawn well at all. Their heads are too big and their legs are short and stumpy, when is unlike the normal G4 style. There's some shots of the ponies sitting down where their legs just look like twigs they're sitting on!

I do like the designs of the two witches, though their characters aren't standing out to me so far. I like the page where they're preparing a spooky spell and then at the end of the page it turns out they were just making a pizza. XD That got a laugh out of me.

Trying to figure out the plot as we go, from the witches' dialog, but it's not easy... It seems like the "Gloom Volcano" exists in some sort of pocket dimension? Maybe? I can't think of a reason why they would start looking for ponies in "any dimension" unless that is the case. But it's not well explained. Why are the girls looking to enact revenge on ponies from any dimension, anyway, and not the dimension of ponies that actually banished them...? (Which I assume is the G1 ponies?)

Anyway, so the two teen witches have been stuck in this pocket dimension inside a volcano their whole lives, because they say the ponies banished their moms there after their grandma "played a prank on the ponies." Is this a reference to the G1 movie? Or something else altogether? Who knows?

The moms have left on some business at the start of the comic, so the girls are "home alone" as it were. They established that their magic doesn't work outside the volcano so they can't leave it. But then they send their little opposum henchmen out to get ingredients to make smooze, and somehow the smooze lets them do whatever they want, basically, which includes leaving the volcano, turning into ponies, and going to the G4 dimension.

The page where Trench the Opposum goes on the adventure to find the smooze ingredients is pretty funny! I laughed at 'rage frogs' XD

So we end issue 1 with the two girls (and Trench? That surprised me) dropping in on the G4 ponies in pony disguise, to pretend to be new teachers for the overcrowded school. I'm not that upset with the lack of G1 characters in the first issue. I know it can take some time to develop a story, and they had to take time to establish the witch characters and their history up to this point.

But yeah I do have a lot of questions. Are these really supposed to be the witches from the G1 movie? Or are these the daughters of some sort of alternate dimension version of them? The dialog about looking for ponies in "any dimension" establishes that this is a "multiverse" type of story, rather than the G4 ponies being the descendants of the G1 ponies.

I wanted to give the writers the benefit of the doubt, but it really seems like they don't know the G1 part of things that well, especially since Draggle seemed like such a sympathetic character, both in the movie and the G1 cartoon, and they don't indicate that in any way at all here in the comic. They could have done something similar, and made one of the witch daughters more sympathetic and one more mean? Or they could have had one of the teens teasing the other about how her mom isn't a 'real witch' because she was so weak-willed?

Anyway, this comic is nothing special, but I'd say it's on par with a lot of the other MLP comics. Just a little fun story for kids, nothing amazing but nothing horrible either. On to Issue 2!

Issue 2:
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I still think it's really weird that a non-talking animal became a talking pony. Like, imagine if Angel the Bunny turned into a pony and started talking? ...wait okay they actually happened in one episode so I guess it's okay...  :blink:

I have to say the designs of the teen witches and Trench as ponies really annoy me... I felt the same about Tempest's design in the G4 movie. It seems like all the OC "edgy, cool" ponysonas that people make online. "Oooo my pony has a mohawk and scars and a crazy horn!" "Well my pony's eyes have black sclera!" Like, why do the witches in pony form have black spots on the face and white ice markings on the hooves?

And the biggest thing is that the designs don't tie into anything? In the last issue we established that one of the witches has fire magic. Why don't either of their pony designs have fire elements? If one of the witches has a lightning bolt-shaped unicorn horn in pony form, why doesn't she have lightning magic powers? Why doesn't the opposum-turned-pony have a trashcan for a cutie mark? These are basic design elements that even a novice designer would think of!

OH! Wait, never mind, I just got to page 8 of issue 2 and I see I made a mistake. These three ponies are not the witches and Trench in disguise!  >_< I kinda assumed they were. But no, these are... I guess... smooze constructs? Which was never a thing in the original movie but oh well, in this comic we're going with the idea that the smooze can basically do whatever the witches want it to do.

So anyway it seems like the 3 "edgy" smooze ponies are at the School of Friendship while the witches and Trench are still stuck in the volcano. Trench gets a bath while we have one of the witches read another letter from their moms, which was frankly a really funny scene. XD

There's a SMALL reference to Draggle being the more sympathetic witch when one of the teen's says "I can tell your mom wrote this because mine would have been a lot meaner."

(If you think it's weird that I keep calling them "the teen witches" it's because I can't remember their names and I'm reading these two issues right now as I write this. I think their names are mentioned once each? If that much? One is named Dyre and I don't know the other's name. Trench is easy to remember because they say his name like every other page. Plus he's adorable.)

Okay but then we have a scene with the new Mane 6 (Sandbar and the non-ponies) gushing about how awesome the new teachers are and it made me laugh. Sandbar put random markings on his hooves in art class, to be like the new teachers, and Yona made cookies that shout "A CURSE UPON YOU!" in Haunted Home-Ec class and I just laughed so much. XD That is actually an attempt at good writing! Making fun of the standard story tropes and clever add-ons that still make sense in the pony universe!

So we end the issue with the three S'monies (Smooze + ponies... yeah, just go with it...) causing mayhem in Ponyville and disrupting community and friendship. A very standard G4 plot. (Oh no friendship is being ruined in Ponyville!....again!) And still no G1 ponies. I could understand not having them in Issue 1 as we establish the new characters, but they really should have been introduced by now. There's only 5 issues of this comic, right? Or 6? I'm starting to wonder if the "OP's" (Original Ponies, I know, I'm funny right? XD ) will just appear at the end to set things right and save the day?

Sigh. I'm sad. This story had a lot of potential but it's disappointing... Instead of having these "S'monies" we could spend more time with the teen witches and actually establish their characters more and learn their backstories so that we actually care about them (or at least find them interesting). I might not have enjoyed Tempest's design in the G4 movie but at least her character was well established and we cared about what happened to her.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 19, 2021, 08:27:22 AM
Thanks for the detailed review, Dragonflitter ;)

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Upstaged by an opossum. Ouch.

On the End of Flutter Valley, @Wildshadow - that was quite dull, boring and neverending as a plot anyway. Probably a bad choice to use as a basis.

For the most part the witches and the smooze (and even Megan, honestly) didn't have much presence in the UK comic, not even around the time the movie was out. But I do remember there was one MLP&Friends issue which for some reason went into the whole idea of the smooze and ponies being attacked from it, including Majesty, who among others was knocked out by it. The weird thing about this story for me was that it was some time after the movie had left cinemas - I'm talking years - and it was just so...out of sync with the comic in general?

The description of this makes me feel the same.

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The lack of G1 is kind of predictable, it's not really a crossover story but a G4 story which may have a G1 cameo at the end or at some point. Even using the smooze and the witches doesn't count if it doesn't fit.

I like S'monies though. Nicely done.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on November 19, 2021, 09:26:44 AM
Forgot to say the second issue came out the other day. Love your review, Dragonflitter!

Total snooze fest all around. It's weird seeing the new ponies drawn freshly but the mane 6 + Starlight being drawn to mimic stock images. I can point out some instances of tracing or heavily referencing popular google image results, but for some reason the new ponies don't get this treatment?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on November 19, 2021, 10:08:00 AM
My spoiler-y review!

Issue 1:
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Okay so I always jokingly say some artists can draw people really well and some artists can draw animals really well, but rarely can one draw both. That certainly seems to be the case here, because the human characters look very well done and in proportion, but the ponies are not drawn well at all. Their heads are too big and their legs are short and stumpy, when is unlike the normal G4 style. There's some shots of the ponies sitting down where their legs just look like twigs they're sitting on!

I do like the designs of the two witches, though their characters aren't standing out to me so far. I like the page where they're preparing a spooky spell and then at the end of the page it turns out they were just making a pizza. XD That got a laugh out of me.

Trying to figure out the plot as we go, from the witches' dialog, but it's not easy... It seems like the "Gloom Volcano" exists in some sort of pocket dimension? Maybe? I can't think of a reason why they would start looking for ponies in "any dimension" unless that is the case. But it's not well explained. Why are the girls looking to enact revenge on ponies from any dimension, anyway, and not the dimension of ponies that actually banished them...? (Which I assume is the G1 ponies?)

Anyway, so the two teen witches have been stuck in this pocket dimension inside a volcano their whole lives, because they say the ponies banished their moms there after their grandma "played a prank on the ponies." Is this a reference to the G1 movie? Or something else altogether? Who knows?

The moms have left on some business at the start of the comic, so the girls are "home alone" as it were. They established that their magic doesn't work outside the volcano so they can't leave it. But then they send their little opposum henchmen out to get ingredients to make smooze, and somehow the smooze lets them do whatever they want, basically, which includes leaving the volcano, turning into ponies, and going to the G4 dimension.

The page where Trench the Opposum goes on the adventure to find the smooze ingredients is pretty funny! I laughed at 'rage frogs' XD

So we end issue 1 with the two girls (and Trench? That surprised me) dropping in on the G4 ponies in pony disguise, to pretend to be new teachers for the overcrowded school. I'm not that upset with the lack of G1 characters in the first issue. I know it can take some time to develop a story, and they had to take time to establish the witch characters and their history up to this point.

But yeah I do have a lot of questions. Are these really supposed to be the witches from the G1 movie? Or are these the daughters of some sort of alternate dimension version of them? The dialog about looking for ponies in "any dimension" establishes that this is a "multiverse" type of story, rather than the G4 ponies being the descendants of the G1 ponies.

I wanted to give the writers the benefit of the doubt, but it really seems like they don't know the G1 part of things that well, especially since Draggle seemed like such a sympathetic character, both in the movie and the G1 cartoon, and they don't indicate that in any way at all here in the comic. They could have done something similar, and made one of the witch daughters more sympathetic and one more mean? Or they could have had one of the teens teasing the other about how her mom isn't a 'real witch' because she was so weak-willed?

Anyway, this comic is nothing special, but I'd say it's on par with a lot of the other MLP comics. Just a little fun story for kids, nothing amazing but nothing horrible either. On to Issue 2!

Issue 2:
Spoiler
I still think it's really weird that a non-talking animal became a talking pony. Like, imagine if Angel the Bunny turned into a pony and started talking? ...wait okay they actually happened in one episode so I guess it's okay...  :blink:

I have to say the designs of the teen witches and Trench as ponies really annoy me... I felt the same about Tempest's design in the G4 movie. It seems like all the OC "edgy, cool" ponysonas that people make online. "Oooo my pony has a mohawk and scars and a crazy horn!" "Well my pony's eyes have black sclera!" Like, why do the witches in pony form have black spots on the face and white ice markings on the hooves?

And the biggest thing is that the designs don't tie into anything? In the last issue we established that one of the witches has fire magic. Why don't either of their pony designs have fire elements? If one of the witches has a lightning bolt-shaped unicorn horn in pony form, why doesn't she have lightning magic powers? Why doesn't the opposum-turned-pony have a trashcan for a cutie mark? These are basic design elements that even a novice designer would think of!

OH! Wait, never mind, I just got to page 8 of issue 2 and I see I made a mistake. These three ponies are not the witches and Trench in disguise!  >_< I kinda assumed they were. But no, these are... I guess... smooze constructs? Which was never a thing in the original movie but oh well, in this comic we're going with the idea that the smooze can basically do whatever the witches want it to do.

So anyway it seems like the 3 "edgy" smooze ponies are at the School of Friendship while the witches and Trench are still stuck in the volcano. Trench gets a bath while we have one of the witches read another letter from their moms, which was frankly a really funny scene. XD

There's a SMALL reference to Draggle being the more sympathetic witch when one of the teen's says "I can tell your mom wrote this because mine would have been a lot meaner."

(If you think it's weird that I keep calling them "the teen witches" it's because I can't remember their names and I'm reading these two issues right now as I write this. I think their names are mentioned once each? If that much? One is named Dyre and I don't know the other's name. Trench is easy to remember because they say his name like every other page. Plus he's adorable.)

Okay but then we have a scene with the new Mane 6 (Sandbar and the non-ponies) gushing about how awesome the new teachers are and it made me laugh. Sandbar put random markings on his hooves in art class, to be like the new teachers, and Yona made cookies that shout "A CURSE UPON YOU!" in Haunted Home-Ec class and I just laughed so much. XD That is actually an attempt at good writing! Making fun of the standard story tropes and clever add-ons that still make sense in the pony universe!

So we end the issue with the three S'monies (Smooze + ponies... yeah, just go with it...) causing mayhem in Ponyville and disrupting community and friendship. A very standard G4 plot. (Oh no friendship is being ruined in Ponyville!....again!) And still no G1 ponies. I could understand not having them in Issue 1 as we establish the new characters, but they really should have been introduced by now. There's only 5 issues of this comic, right? Or 6? I'm starting to wonder if the "OP's" (Original Ponies, I know, I'm funny right? XD ) will just appear at the end to set things right and save the day?

Sigh. I'm sad. This story had a lot of potential but it's disappointing... Instead of having these "S'monies" we could spend more time with the teen witches and actually establish their characters more and learn their backstories so that we actually care about them (or at least find them interesting). I might not have enjoyed Tempest's design in the G4 movie but at least her character was well established and we cared about what happened to her.


Spoiler
I thought Trench was a rat, never thought of him as a opossum  ^^; but I guess I can now see it.  I don't like Trench, he's uninteresting and such to me. I guess since I find the daughters annoying, it trickles down to him?

I was going to say more but I'm too passionate about the G1 show and come off strong.  :redface:




On the End of Flutter Valley, @Wildshadow - that was quite dull, boring and neverending as a plot anyway. Probably a bad choice to use as a basis.


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True but the witches are in it and as to why I mentioned it...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on November 19, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
@Wildshadow - I meant as their basis, not yours ;) Sorry :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 19, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
This sounds like a mess, and not even in the surreal alice in wonderland or crack fic way. At least there's an entertaining possum.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on November 19, 2021, 02:26:27 PM
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I have to say the designs of the teen witches and Trench as ponies really annoy me... I felt the same about Tempest's design in the G4 movie. It seems like all the OC "edgy, cool" ponysonas that people make online.

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Hmmm... I've actually never seen any OC ponysonas like that, the ones I see just look like... My Little Pony characters.  That said, I never found Tempest particularly "edgy" either... I mean, there was a kind of difference to her, and the typical MLP design, but... it still feels like a difference that fits in with the franchise, in its own way, to me.  But yeah, I haven't even seen any OCs that even look close to these designs, personally.

Respect your opinion, of course... hope it was okay to comment.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on January 07, 2022, 06:34:52 PM
Soooooooo... Issue 3 has landed and we FINALLY see the G1 ponies! ...in one panel on the last page of this issue.  -_- Of this 5-issue series. Sigh.

You know I purposely went into this with low expectations, and yet I still feel disappointed...

The G1 arrival:

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My spoiler-y review of Issue 3:


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I had to take a moment to remind myself of the story, since I read it a couple months ago. So the two young witches from the Volcano Dimension have made smooze and had it take the form of 3 weird edgy-looking ponies who are now in Ponyville, pretending to be teachers and causing trouble at the School of Friendship and in town.

At first the ponies try to figure out who is causing all the trouble, but then they decide it's better to just deal with the trouble itself by hosting a friendship party to get everyone to be on good terms again. (Cuz logic, I guess?)

We have a couple pages of the witches, as Trench goes to report to them that the ponies are going to throw a town-wide party and their solution to this is to tell their three S'monies to be *even more* dastardly. Then we hop back to Ponyville, where the Mane 6 are decorating and doing party preparations, with Pinkie in the lead.

The S'monies show up, because they need to ruin the party, so Violet Shiver (the purple one) volunteers to help Pinkie Pie with decorations. While they're decorating, Violet Shiver and Pinkie start talking, and Violet discovers she's actually very good at making art crafts and decorations. (I thought maybe this was some character growth thing where she's going to learn a new side of herself, but it doesn't really go anywhere.)

Twilight thinks the decorations that Violet Shiver made are suspicious looking, and Pinkie is mad at her for not trusting the new pony. Twilight and Pinkie go out into the woods in the middle of the night to "test" the decorations, and they start a big argument. Which turns out to be because Violet Shiver put a curse on the decorations to make ponies fight. (See, the fact that she suddenly discovers she's good at crafts didn't really change anything in the storyline...)

They know about the curse because Zecora shows up randomly to test out the decorations (she wears a little science smock and a pair of safety goggles while she's testing, which is pretty cute!). I guess that's why the story had Pinkie and Twilight go out into the woods with the decorations in the first place.

Between Twilight and Zecora, they figure out the spell is smooze, but not like any that has been seen in Equestria. (Twilight temporarily gets possessed by the evil smooze so we can have a brief battle scene.) This smooze comes from somewhere else and it's "meant for ponies *like* us, but *not* us" as Twilight puts it. So they decide to cast a spell to open a doorway to the place where the smooze originates, in the hopes that they'll find answers there.

On the last page, the Mane 6 and Starlight Glimmer pass through Zecora's magic doorway and find themselves in a new place--Dream Valley, complete with the castle in the background! It's nice that the artist made at least a little effort to make the world seem like the G1 world and not just a repeat of Ponyville.

Then we get the cliche entrance of the new characters. Twilight says "What should we do now?" and Rarity says "Maybe we should ask them" and points to the last panel in the issue, which shows six ponies running toward them via a rainbow. I believe it's Galaxy, Gusty, Lofty, Minty, Princess Rosedust (why...?) and Twilight 1.0.

All in all, I'm a little surprised at how little plot happened in this issue. We didn't need a full 20 pages of the ponies planning a party and figuring out the smooze stuff. And we barely got to see the young witches at all, so we didn't really get very much interesting happening on that end, either.

My prediction will be that Issue 4 will be full of G4 ponies meeting G1 ponies and being given a tour of Dream Valley, possibly a bunch of small arguments and misunderstandings since that's how team-up comics usually go, and then Issue 5 will be where everyone puts aside their differences and the G4's and G1's team up to take down the witches. It would be interesting if maybe adult Draggle and Reeka make an appearance at the end to help their children, kinda a 'final boss' situation after the young witches are defeated, but that sounds cool so I'm sure it won't happen. XD
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on January 07, 2022, 09:46:54 PM
I kinda like Scrorny. She reminds me of

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Courtesy of https://mlpfactfile.blogspot.com/2011 (https://mlpfactfile.blogspot.com/2011)

But yeah, not sure about the rest of it.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 08, 2022, 07:17:07 AM
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Where's Lofty's hot-air balloon symbol? o.O I see the stars but not the balloon??

Also they're using G1 Minty after all? Weird that the cover had G3 Minty. Make up your mind, guys! :P

Disappointed to see Galaxy has normal eyes instead of Twinkle Eyes. I can live with it for merch, since most of the retro art is just the same stock lineart recoloured to match whichever pony it's meant to be, but this is all newly-drawn art so there's no reason for her NOT to have TEs here... :/

Glad I decided to drop this one. When it became clear they didn't have much interest in actually making the crossover a crossover, I cancelled my subscription :P I'll probably read the last 3 issues myself after the series has finished.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 08, 2022, 07:21:11 AM
Why do Gusty and Lofty have Galaxy's symbol? Where are Galaxy's jewel eyes? Why are Twilight and Queen Rosedust earth ponies? This sucks. You can't even call it an animation error if it's a static image.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 08, 2022, 12:51:31 PM
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OMG I didn't even notice Twilight and Rosedust were missing their horn/wings. With Rosedust I was distracted by her having the same body type as the others, instead of the slender legs Flutters should have.

I did notice Gusty's symbol looks more like Galaxy's :/ I was rushing before so I didn't look too closely at it, I just figured they'd drawn her maple leaves weirdly.. but looking at it again, yeah, they DO look more like stars. ???

With Lofty it almost looks like they just forgot to draw the hot-air balloon, somehow? If you compare it to how her symbol was drawn in the cartoon:
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the stars look like they're in the right pattern in the comic, but it's just missing the actual main part of the symbol?? I wouldn't be this nitpicky usually with such a small image, if it was missing the stars I wouldn't have said anything, but how the heck do you forget to draw 90% of the symbol?! o.o

I am surprised they managed to get Rosedust's feather crown thingy right, I'll give 'em that one. I always thought that was a nice detail in the cartoon so it's nice to see they included it here... I just wish they'd paid attention to getting all the other details correct! >_<
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on January 14, 2022, 08:39:47 PM
Well the digital has a three page preview of the 4th comic… ….it’s…

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NOT GOOD or well I hated it. Of course they sound like G4 with a G1 look  :cry:   WHY ARE THEY WALKING ON A RAINBOW??? That part I hate a lot too. They aren’t Starlite…

More detail if you don’t want to know about it early?

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and WHY WHHHYYYY is Bonbon there?!?!! And G3 Minty.. I guess G3’s would be fine BUT DONT ADD TALES!!  :cry: They don’t make sense to be a part of that world   :facepalm: then Megan is in her first special outfit fighting smooze  :pout: I’m afraid what more they added. And Surprise narrating the story, I don’t see her saying supreme bummer and going “Like totally lame!”  >_< Now I’m hoping those are the only instances but I’m fearing the worst  :cry:  kinda makes her sound ‘valley girl’? UGH!!

I don’t know anymore…   


:cold:

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: SpacePinto on January 14, 2022, 08:53:58 PM
To be honest, I expected much worse from them.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 14, 2022, 09:36:37 PM
I'm surprised they tossed in a Tales pony.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on January 14, 2022, 11:09:41 PM
@Wildshadow

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I agree that Surprise would never say iether of those things!
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 15, 2022, 06:20:59 AM
Re: spoilers

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Oh no no nono that sounds terrible! Although I'll admit I'm surprised they acknowledged Tales... on the other hand - it's Bon Bon. You know, the character whose bronies swiped the name for that one G4 backgrounder. So again it's them doing things from a G4 perspective, trying to appeal to the G4 fans, more than them actually doing a Deep Cut. >_<

That dialogue does sound pretty off, I've got nothing against valspeak but it's OOC for Surprise... or well, most of the G1 characters, really. :/ Let me guess, they're gonna make her Pinkie Pie 2.0...

The rainbow-walking doesn't bug me too much since there were one or two moments like that in the G1 cartoons (the first shot of RaMC is Firefly and Medley sliding down a rainbow)... not exactly *walking* on rainbows but yeah.. that one I could live with.

And G3 Minty IS in it after all? So they've got both Minties?? I'm so confused...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: MJNSEIFER on January 15, 2022, 09:11:17 AM
Well the digital has a three page preview of the 4th comic… ….it’s…

Spoiler
NOT GOOD or well I hated it. Of course they sound like G4 with a G1 look  :cry:   WHY ARE THEY WALKING ON A RAINBOW??? That part I hate a lot too. They aren’t Starlite…

More detail if you don’t want to know about it early?

Spoiler
and WHY WHHHYYYY is Bonbon there?!?!! And G3 Minty.. I guess G3’s would be fine BUT DONT ADD TALES!!  :cry: They don’t make sense to be a part of that world   :facepalm: then Megan is in her first special outfit fighting smooze  :pout: I’m afraid what more they added. And Surprise narrating the story, I don’t see her saying supreme bummer and going “Like totally lame!”  >_< Now I’m hoping those are the only instances but I’m fearing the worst  :cry:  kinda makes her sound ‘valley girl’? UGH!!

I don’t know anymore…   


:cold:

Still haven't read it, but...

Spoiler
While I'd sort of get it, if it is what I said it was before (i.e. Mane Six meets Concept Six rather than G4 meets G1, although it seems like it's supposed to be the latter and then some) I do agree that it's a shame if the G1s that were the Concept Six sound like their G4 "counter parts" (unless I misunderstood that part) - if that's what they chose to do, then fine, but when I use those characters, they aren't going to act like the Mane Six - they don't need to act like them, I have the Mane Six for that, and they aren't the Concept Six in what I'm writing, they are G1 characters (or references to them) - the closest they get to being the Concept Six is that they are going to team up in at least one episode, but that's more of a shout out to the Concept Six than anything.


As for Surprise... yeah, she isn't the pony I would have imagined with Valley Girl speak... I could do my usual thing, and just say that this is a "this" Surprise thing, but if the point is to bring G1s and G3s over then, it makes more sense for them to act in someway that is closer to how they did there?  Interpretations aside...?

(I'm trying my hardest not to sound a hypocrite with my project, since there will be creative licence with all generations I use...)

Also... I actually do find Tales making sense as part of the FiM world, no offense, but I always felt like they were easy to imagine in Equestria... all pre-G4s are in my mind, but I always felt Tales fit in relatively easily - I know they have cars and that, but I always felt that was easy to overlook if you were putting them in a G4 (or even a G3, G3.5 or earlier G1, and probably even a G2) world, so they wouldn't be aware of cars etc. unless the story was that they'd litterally gone from their own world to the other one.

That said, I think I have a different look toward Tales, like I've seen people essentially say that the show isn't "My Little Pony" enough, and that you could make them any other animal (including humans) and nothing would change, and there's not enough fantasy to it (I think that's been said), but I never felt that... it is very  MLP to me, and I can see the fantasy potential in it.

Also... I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that ponies walking a rainbow was a G1 thing, or another pre-G4 thing?  Like I feel that it may be a comic book or a backcard story?  I'm not sure, but it feels more pre-G4 than G4, even with the whole "Pegasi can live in clouds" thing...

Maybe it's because Firefly and Medley slid down a rainbow in the first episode/special?  I just feel that walking on rainbows has been done before...

(Just Realized: I may be thinking of "Best Friends Until the End of Time", which was a G4 thing, but I might not be...)

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on January 15, 2022, 12:47:08 PM
Well the digital has a three page preview of the 4th comic… ….it’s…

Spoiler
NOT GOOD or well I hated it. Of course they sound like G4 with a G1 look  :cry:   WHY ARE THEY WALKING ON A RAINBOW??? That part I hate a lot too. They aren’t Starlite…

More detail if you don’t want to know about it early?

Spoiler
and WHY WHHHYYYY is Bonbon there?!?!! And G3 Minty.. I guess G3’s would be fine BUT DONT ADD TALES!!  :cry: They don’t make sense to be a part of that world   :facepalm: then Megan is in her first special outfit fighting smooze  :pout: I’m afraid what more they added. And Surprise narrating the story, I don’t see her saying supreme bummer and going “Like totally lame!”  >_< Now I’m hoping those are the only instances but I’m fearing the worst  :cry:  kinda makes her sound ‘valley girl’? UGH!!

I don’t know anymore…   


:cold:

Still haven't read it, but...

Spoiler
While I'd sort of get it, if it is what I said it was before (i.e. Mane Six meets Concept Six rather than G4 meets G1, although it seems like it's supposed to be the latter and then some) I do agree that it's a shame if the G1s that were the Concept Six sound like their G4 "counter parts" (unless I misunderstood that part) - if that's what they chose to do, then fine, but when I use those characters, they aren't going to act like the Mane Six - they don't need to act like them, I have the Mane Six for that, and they aren't the Concept Six in what I'm writing, they are G1 characters (or references to them) - the closest they get to being the Concept Six is that they are going to team up in at least one episode, but that's more of a shout out to the Concept Six than anything.


As for Surprise... yeah, she isn't the pony I would have imagined with Valley Girl speak... I could do my usual thing, and just say that this is a "this" Surprise thing, but if the point is to bring G1s and G3s over then, it makes more sense for them to act in someway that is closer to how they did there?  Interpretations aside...?

(I'm trying my hardest not to sound a hypocrite with my project, since there will be creative licence with all generations I use...)

Also... I actually do find Tales making sense as part of the FiM world, no offense, but I always felt like they were easy to imagine in Equestria... all pre-G4s are in my mind, but I always felt Tales fit in relatively easily - I know they have cars and that, but I always felt that was easy to overlook if you were putting them in a G4 (or even a G3, G3.5 or earlier G1, and probably even a G2) world, so they wouldn't be aware of cars etc. unless the story was that they'd litterally gone from their own world to the other one.

That said, I think I have a different look toward Tales, like I've seen people essentially say that the show isn't "My Little Pony" enough, and that you could make them any other animal (including humans) and nothing would change, and there's not enough fantasy to it (I think that's been said), but I never felt that... it is very  MLP to me, and I can see the fantasy potential in it.

Also... I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that ponies walking a rainbow was a G1 thing, or another pre-G4 thing?  Like I feel that it may be a comic book or a backcard story?  I'm not sure, but it feels more pre-G4 than G4, even with the whole "Pegasi can live in clouds" thing...

Maybe it's because Firefly and Medley slid down a rainbow in the first episode/special?  I just feel that walking on rainbows has been done before...

(Just Realized: I may be thinking of "Best Friends Until the End of Time", which was a G4 thing, but I might not be...)


NOOO!! Ugh lost my long reply and got to do it all over  :cry:

Spoiler
Let’s try this again…

But first, the dialogue they already have Galaxy saying just feels G4 because they made her say “everypony”….anyway.

I forgot to say my reasoning of being annoyed with the rainbow stuff. If it was only Pegasi and flutter ponies on it then the rainbow walking I could understand cause the flutter ponies did on that fake rainbow and Surprise on the frozen rainbow and now realizing I forgot about firefly and medley.  Flying types.

BUT  :shocked: thinking about it now I’d understand if it’s THE Rainbow of Light they are all walking on. Then I’d be ok with it  :blush:

I love Tales, just at the time I saw it, Bonbon/Tales was the furthest ponies I’d see being used in the comic. But now thinking on it, Patch seems the one they should have used but reading Carrehz post, it’s probably why they used Bonbon in the first place  -_- there’s a moment pinkie pie brings up aliens and bonbon says she loves aliens….I feel that’s Patch not Bonbon, I don’t think Bonbon has ever mentioned aliens??

……

As of the possible start of this issue? they don’t interact with their counterparts, so far only Surprise shows up and “surprises!” her way into taking over North Star’s recounting the Witches story to Twilight and Co.  at which that’s the end of the preview. So I’m thinking Surprise might finish the tale? They don’t even bother twinkle eyeing Galaxy, they only add a star in her eye.


Oh boy, can’t wait until the 26th to be even more annoyed and unimpressed!  :|  :shrug: :what:

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 15, 2022, 01:14:12 PM
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Oh yeah, fair point on the rainbow walking. No, I agree, it should only be flying types doing stuff like that.

It really annoys me they're not giving Galaxy her twinkle eyes. I was hoping that was just an error in the last issue, but I guess not :( Like I said, I can put up with it in all the new retro merch since that's just stock lineart with different symbols, colours etc added in and I don't expect everyone who gets a hold of the license, to do stuff like that... But there's really no excuse for her not to have TEs here. :( Might seem overly nitpicky but it's kinda the TEs' defining feature...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 21, 2022, 07:15:48 PM
Well the digital has a three page preview of the 4th comic… ….it’s…

Spoiler
NOT GOOD or well I hated it. Of course they sound like G4 with a G1 look  :cry:   WHY ARE THEY WALKING ON A RAINBOW??? That part I hate a lot too. They aren’t Starlite…

More detail if you don’t want to know about it early?

Spoiler
and WHY WHHHYYYY is Bonbon there?!?!! And G3 Minty.. I guess G3’s would be fine BUT DONT ADD TALES!!  :cry: They don’t make sense to be a part of that world   :facepalm: then Megan is in her first special outfit fighting smooze  :pout: I’m afraid what more they added. And Surprise narrating the story, I don’t see her saying supreme bummer and going “Like totally lame!”  >_< Now I’m hoping those are the only instances but I’m fearing the worst  :cry:  kinda makes her sound ‘valley girl’? UGH!!

I don’t know anymore…   


:cold:

Still haven't read it, but...

Spoiler
While I'd sort of get it, if it is what I said it was before (i.e. Mane Six meets Concept Six rather than G4 meets G1, although it seems like it's supposed to be the latter and then some) I do agree that it's a shame if the G1s that were the Concept Six sound like their G4 "counter parts" (unless I misunderstood that part) - if that's what they chose to do, then fine, but when I use those characters, they aren't going to act like the Mane Six - they don't need to act like them, I have the Mane Six for that, and they aren't the Concept Six in what I'm writing, they are G1 characters (or references to them) - the closest they get to being the Concept Six is that they are going to team up in at least one episode, but that's more of a shout out to the Concept Six than anything.


As for Surprise... yeah, she isn't the pony I would have imagined with Valley Girl speak... I could do my usual thing, and just say that this is a "this" Surprise thing, but if the point is to bring G1s and G3s over then, it makes more sense for them to act in someway that is closer to how they did there?  Interpretations aside...?

(I'm trying my hardest not to sound a hypocrite with my project, since there will be creative licence with all generations I use...)

Also... I actually do find Tales making sense as part of the FiM world, no offense, but I always felt like they were easy to imagine in Equestria... all pre-G4s are in my mind, but I always felt Tales fit in relatively easily - I know they have cars and that, but I always felt that was easy to overlook if you were putting them in a G4 (or even a G3, G3.5 or earlier G1, and probably even a G2) world, so they wouldn't be aware of cars etc. unless the story was that they'd litterally gone from their own world to the other one.

That said, I think I have a different look toward Tales, like I've seen people essentially say that the show isn't "My Little Pony" enough, and that you could make them any other animal (including humans) and nothing would change, and there's not enough fantasy to it (I think that's been said), but I never felt that... it is very  MLP to me, and I can see the fantasy potential in it.

Also... I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that ponies walking a rainbow was a G1 thing, or another pre-G4 thing?  Like I feel that it may be a comic book or a backcard story?  I'm not sure, but it feels more pre-G4 than G4, even with the whole "Pegasi can live in clouds" thing...

Maybe it's because Firefly and Medley slid down a rainbow in the first episode/special?  I just feel that walking on rainbows has been done before...

(Just Realized: I may be thinking of "Best Friends Until the End of Time", which was a G4 thing, but I might not be...)


NOOO!! Ugh lost my long reply and got to do it all over  :cry:

Spoiler
Let’s try this again…

But first, the dialogue they already have Galaxy saying just feels G4 because they made her say “everypony”….anyway.

I forgot to say my reasoning of being annoyed with the rainbow stuff. If it was only Pegasi and flutter ponies on it then the rainbow walking I could understand cause the flutter ponies did on that fake rainbow and Surprise on the frozen rainbow and now realizing I forgot about firefly and medley.  Flying types.

BUT  :shocked: thinking about it now I’d understand if it’s THE Rainbow of Light they are all walking on. Then I’d be ok with it  :blush:

I love Tales, just at the time I saw it, Bonbon/Tales was the furthest ponies I’d see being used in the comic. But now thinking on it, Patch seems the one they should have used but reading Carrehz post, it’s probably why they used Bonbon in the first place  -_- there’s a moment pinkie pie brings up aliens and bonbon says she loves aliens….I feel that’s Patch not Bonbon, I don’t think Bonbon has ever mentioned aliens??

……

As of the possible start of this issue? they don’t interact with their counterparts, so far only Surprise shows up and “surprises!” her way into taking over North Star’s recounting the Witches story to Twilight and Co.  at which that’s the end of the preview. So I’m thinking Surprise might finish the tale? They don’t even bother twinkle eyeing Galaxy, they only add a star in her eye.


Oh boy, can’t wait until the 26th to be even more annoyed and unimpressed!  :|  :shrug: :what:


Well, at least they haven't let you down in that regard.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 24, 2022, 08:36:53 AM
My disclaimer - all my post is based on you guys giving me second hand information, since I have no intention of reading this myself. But with that said...

Spoiler
The fact they make a g1 pony say 'everypony' fills me with rage. It fits one of my most hated G4 customs, the desire to impose G4 everything on older generations where it doesn't belong.

Surprise is basically just being reinterpreted as Pinkie Pie because she's the concept 6 for Pinkie Pie. I don't think it requires a deeper explanation, since this is a G4 comic pretending to do G1 stuff to try and grab new readers given their own is fading away. But I can't imagine any actual G1 person would not notice these things.

That all said, G1 ponies do not have a set canon in their characterisation, so even if it's ugly, it's not out of keeping with G1 as a whole. So I am less mad about the warping of Surprise, given that if I'm honest with myself, I get just as annoyed by some of the G1 animation characterisations compared with the comic, and yet know they're valid.

On the tales pony. My initial thought was that it was a positive thing, as it maybe demonstrated they were part of G1, but I've rethought based on the possible (?) mention G3 Minty is in there. If so, Bon Bon may be there to 'represent G2' and in which case, it's as disgusting as Galaxy saying 'everypony'. It may be no such thing but otherwise using a tales pony seems a bit random. So that would be my instinct.

On the subject of sliding down the rainbow. I have a feeling this may have happened in the comic around the waterfall at some point. I don't have any issues with it at all really. It's just a bit odd.

So in summary - 'everypony' and Bonbon - if representing G2 - are disgusting. Everything else is just their creative freedom, even if it's a bit lame.

I feel like it's even moire mysterious why they would want to do a G1xG4 crossover given they don't understand even the first thing about G1. It feels like a very poor fanfiction that is somehow getting sold instead of just read online? They should just have left it G4.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 24, 2022, 09:35:34 AM
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Good point on the "is Tales 'representing' G2" thing - hadn't even considered that but you could be onto something... she HAS to be there for Brony-related reasons. It can't be a coincidence that they picked the one whose name bronies borrowed for a G4 background pony.

Honestly I've never understood why this comic exists. It's clearly not aimed at us - you know, G1 fans - but... I dunno, I can't say I know how G4 fans think, what they'd like to see, etc, but would they really be into this...? It seems so far removed from the G1 cartoons (or ANY previous G1 works - like I've said all along, I'm fine with a bit of reinterpretation, mixing canons, etc, but this just really feels like G1 in name only, not much connection to anything? It doesn't "feel" like G1) that surely it wouldn't appeal to any G4 fans who maybe enjoy some concepts from G1 but not the gen itself? if that makes sense? I'm sure there ARE some primarily-G4 fans who are also into G1...
The G4 stuff in the comic felt pretty generic to me, what I read of it, but I don't do G4 so I can't really comment there.

It's just a weird choice for a comic all around. Surely a crossover is meant to appeal to fans of both properties that were crossing over? Why make a "crossover" and then have it focus on entirely new chars who have nothing to do with G1 other than some very tenuous, vague, tacked-in links to older characters - which you could snip out and it wouldn't affect the story itself - and not introduce any actual G1 characters until the story's already over half over?!?! I know I keep saying this, but it's just so bizarre!

Out of curiosity - I know there was a FiM/Transformers crossover comic at some point - has anyone on here read it? Did that suffer from the same problems as this G1 comic or was it a proper crossover?
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on January 25, 2022, 10:43:58 AM
I don't know anything about Transformers so I can't speak on the comic's quality. I noticed a traced/heavily referenced Rarity in a preview image once. XD
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on January 25, 2022, 03:01:39 PM
My disclaimer - all my post is based on you guys giving me second hand information, since I have no intention of reading this myself. But with that said...

Spoiler
The fact they make a g1 pony say 'everypony' fills me with rage. It fits one of my most hated G4 customs, the desire to impose G4 everything on older generations where it doesn't belong.

Surprise is basically just being reinterpreted as Pinkie Pie because she's the concept 6 for Pinkie Pie. I don't think it requires a deeper explanation, since this is a G4 comic pretending to do G1 stuff to try and grab new readers given their own is fading away. But I can't imagine any actual G1 person would not notice these things.

That all said, G1 ponies do not have a set canon in their characterisation, so even if it's ugly, it's not out of keeping with G1 as a whole. So I am less mad about the warping of Surprise, given that if I'm honest with myself, I get just as annoyed by some of the G1 animation characterisations compared with the comic, and yet know they're valid.

On the tales pony. My initial thought was that it was a positive thing, as it maybe demonstrated they were part of G1, but I've rethought based on the possible (?) mention G3 Minty is in there. If so, Bon Bon may be there to 'represent G2' and in which case, it's as disgusting as Galaxy saying 'everypony'. It may be no such thing but otherwise using a tales pony seems a bit random. So that would be my instinct.

On the subject of sliding down the rainbow. I have a feeling this may have happened in the comic around the waterfall at some point. I don't have any issues with it at all really. It's just a bit odd.

So in summary - 'everypony' and Bonbon - if representing G2 - are disgusting. Everything else is just their creative freedom, even if it's a bit lame.

I feel like it's even moire mysterious why they would want to do a G1xG4 crossover given they don't understand even the first thing about G1. It feels like a very poor fanfiction that is somehow getting sold instead of just read online? They should just have left it G4.

Spoiler
I hated it so much when I read it. NOT G1 AT ALL!

The Surprise stuff irritates me because she is my absolute favorite pony and it makes me RAGE comparing her to Pinkie Pie. No matter the circumstances  :blush:

I'm also upset with myself when my mind is hyper focused on the tv show and forgetting about the UK comics, I need to re read my collection. My nostalgia kicks in too hard  :blush:

Oh my I forgot all about the "Tales is G2" thing   :blink:


I decided to just show the preview pages I got to see:

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I do appreciate that Surprise's hair isn't yellow :lol:


I'm dreading to read the full comic at midnight  :P


With the Transformer comic, my best friend showed me a page just because of LGBTQ+ content (if I'm thinking clearly), but other than that I have no clue if it's any good.


MIDNIGHT EDIT: REVIEW….

 :shocked: :| >_< -_- :mad: :pout:

Spoiler
When I thought I couldn’t hate it more, they found a way! Though the beginning had a kind of nice pace…they messed it all up and hit fast forward!

Surprise continues her horrible “valley/surf guy” dialog….

Ugh! Just so much was rushed in this issue -_- why did the writers and such hype that they liked G1??? Cause I don’t see it  :blink:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 26, 2022, 07:21:54 AM
My disclaimer - all my post is based on you guys giving me second hand information, since I have no intention of reading this myself. But with that said...

Spoiler
The fact they make a g1 pony say 'everypony' fills me with rage. It fits one of my most hated G4 customs, the desire to impose G4 everything on older generations where it doesn't belong.

Surprise is basically just being reinterpreted as Pinkie Pie because she's the concept 6 for Pinkie Pie. I don't think it requires a deeper explanation, since this is a G4 comic pretending to do G1 stuff to try and grab new readers given their own is fading away. But I can't imagine any actual G1 person would not notice these things.

That all said, G1 ponies do not have a set canon in their characterisation, so even if it's ugly, it's not out of keeping with G1 as a whole. So I am less mad about the warping of Surprise, given that if I'm honest with myself, I get just as annoyed by some of the G1 animation characterisations compared with the comic, and yet know they're valid.

On the tales pony. My initial thought was that it was a positive thing, as it maybe demonstrated they were part of G1, but I've rethought based on the possible (?) mention G3 Minty is in there. If so, Bon Bon may be there to 'represent G2' and in which case, it's as disgusting as Galaxy saying 'everypony'. It may be no such thing but otherwise using a tales pony seems a bit random. So that would be my instinct.

On the subject of sliding down the rainbow. I have a feeling this may have happened in the comic around the waterfall at some point. I don't have any issues with it at all really. It's just a bit odd.

So in summary - 'everypony' and Bonbon - if representing G2 - are disgusting. Everything else is just their creative freedom, even if it's a bit lame.

I feel like it's even moire mysterious why they would want to do a G1xG4 crossover given they don't understand even the first thing about G1. It feels like a very poor fanfiction that is somehow getting sold instead of just read online? They should just have left it G4.

Spoiler
I hated it so much when I read it. NOT G1 AT ALL!

The Surprise stuff irritates me because she is my absolute favorite pony and it makes me RAGE comparing her to Pinkie Pie. No matter the circumstances  :blush:

I'm also upset with myself when my mind is hyper focused on the tv show and forgetting about the UK comics, I need to re read my collection. My nostalgia kicks in too hard  :blush:

Oh my I forgot all about the "Tales is G2" thing   :blink:


I decided to just show the preview pages I got to see:

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I do appreciate that Surprise's hair isn't yellow :lol:


I'm dreading to read the full comic at midnight  :P


With the Transformer comic, my best friend showed me a page just because of LGBTQ+ content (if I'm thinking clearly), but other than that I have no clue if it's any good.


MIDNIGHT EDIT: REVIEW….

 :shocked: :| >_< -_- :mad: :pout:

Spoiler
When I thought I couldn’t hate it more, they found a way! Though the beginning had a kind of nice pace…they messed it all up and hit fast forward!

Surprise continues her horrible “valley/surf guy” dialog….

Ugh! Just so much was rushed in this issue -_- why did the writers and such hype that they liked G1??? Cause I don’t see it  :blink:

They clearly have never seen it in their lives.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 26, 2022, 07:44:56 AM
I would agree with LAW. Either they used google and lied about liking G1, or they were made to change things they wanted to do to fit the demands of the publication. OR I suppose they were G4 people who didn't hate G1 but didn't understand the first thing about it. Liking and understanding are not necessarily the same thing.

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That everypony *grr*.

What is very odd from those panels is the revolving door of G1 (ish) ponies. They're just appearing one after another but there's no real continuity. Surprise had nothing to do with the smooze, which might explain why she doesn't know what actually happened to it in the end...

The whole thing is what I said before. Bad fanfiction, only fanfiction that's making money. Somehow.

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on January 26, 2022, 08:46:12 AM
I'm off to work. Issue 4 continues to disappoint, though. You could take the G1 ponies out of the story and it does nothing to change it aside from the fact that the main ponies use some magical artifact they get from G1.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: SpacePinto on January 26, 2022, 09:38:34 AM
I'm just happy that G1 ponies are portrayed in a positive light.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 26, 2022, 05:47:41 PM
I do feel like G1 ponies don't need to speak G4-ponyish. They can leave that to the G4 ponies, and speak their own way, surely?

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It's just I guess evidence that the people writing aren't fans of G1, they're more likely fans of G4 who are not hostile to G1, but don't know a lot about it. The smooze plot is good indication of that, since the smooze ate the Rainbow of Light, and that's also Megan dressed from RaMC...not the movie.

Baby Lickety Split must've grown up, and Bon Bon and Minty have never seen smooze, so what use they'll be I can't tell you.

I actually can't remember if Galaxy is in the movie. She probably is, timeline wise, but the fact I can't remember makes me think she's an odd choice of spokespony.

Yeah, I get that they're not actively mocking G1, but it's not exactly respectful either, to just merge them into the G4 world like they don't believe G1 has anything of its own to offer. It's not a negative light, but it's not really a positive one, since they're just there as props to further (a weak) G4-based narrative. Don't get me wrong, that's not an attack on G4, just the story they're building here is weak because they don't seem to know quite what they want from it. New characters, then old characters, then changing characters...

It's just a shame that they could have done so much to make this a really good story between two different types of pony, and it didn't happen. And I don't like generational crossovers, but it could have been done so much better for the fans of both.

Sidenote - it's hard to know why any G1 pony would be surprised at Pinkie Pie's usual attention seeking nonsense clumsiness, given the existence of Fizzy.

And if BonBon is there for the reason I think, that's not good. We shouldn't endorse something that wants to steamroller over the existence of a whole generation simply because they didn't have a cartoon.
I suppose devil's advocate says that everything is there to be reinterpreted through a new lens, otherwise it doesn't stay alive. And it's a way to connect G4 fans who are curious to the older generations through something they understand...? Maybe?

But it's not really a crossover.  There's nothing in this for G1 fans, unless they're also fans of G4...though if I were a G4 fan, I think I'd be confused.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on January 26, 2022, 07:02:08 PM
There's not much for G4 fans either because it's a really lame comic issue. The comics have always been rather hit or miss, but the series mostly focuses on random villains that G4 fans aren't given a reason to care about. They usually put a lot of new characters into the comics, but those comics can often be weaker.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 26, 2022, 07:52:13 PM
I do feel like G1 ponies don't need to speak G4-ponyish. They can leave that to the G4 ponies, and speak their own way, surely?

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It's just I guess evidence that the people writing aren't fans of G1, they're more likely fans of G4 who are not hostile to G1, but don't know a lot about it. The smooze plot is good indication of that, since the smooze ate the Rainbow of Light, and that's also Megan dressed from RaMC...not the movie.

Baby Lickety Split must've grown up, and Bon Bon and Minty have never seen smooze, so what use they'll be I can't tell you.

I actually can't remember if Galaxy is in the movie. She probably is, timeline wise, but the fact I can't remember makes me think she's an odd choice of spokespony.

Yeah, I get that they're not actively mocking G1, but it's not exactly respectful either, to just merge them into the G4 world like they don't believe G1 has anything of its own to offer. It's not a negative light, but it's not really a positive one, since they're just there as props to further (a weak) G4-based narrative. Don't get me wrong, that's not an attack on G4, just the story they're building here is weak because they don't seem to know quite what they want from it. New characters, then old characters, then changing characters...

It's just a shame that they could have done so much to make this a really good story between two different types of pony, and it didn't happen. And I don't like generational crossovers, but it could have been done so much better for the fans of both.

Sidenote - it's hard to know why any G1 pony would be surprised at Pinkie Pie's usual attention seeking nonsense clumsiness, given the existence of Fizzy.

And if BonBon is there for the reason I think, that's not good. We shouldn't endorse something that wants to steamroller over the existence of a whole generation simply because they didn't have a cartoon.
I suppose devil's advocate says that everything is there to be reinterpreted through a new lens, otherwise it doesn't stay alive. And it's a way to connect G4 fans who are curious to the older generations through something they understand...? Maybe?

But it's not really a crossover.  There's nothing in this for G1 fans, unless they're also fans of G4...though if I were a G4 fan, I think I'd be confused.


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Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 27, 2022, 04:37:38 AM
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Galaxy isn't in the movie - her first appearance in the show is in "The End of Flutter Valley",l as an animation error, then her proper debut is in "The Ghost of Paradise Estate".

Personally I don't mind a bit of reinterpretation re: who was around for what events, etc, since the series was always a bit of a "revolving door of ponies" anyway (complete cast changeovers between RaMC and Catrina, and then again for the Movie; SS Twilight/Locket/FT babies just appearing out of nowhere), but yeah having Galaxy specifically be the main pony for this sort of thing is a weird choice, going off you guys' posts (haven't read the issue myself yet).

The G4 speak annoys me since (aside from the fact that I've always hated "everypony" etc anyway, it just sounds so stupid and forced... and, you know, G1 ponies didn't talk like that) - lack of differentiation between the casts!! when you have two distinct cast groups like this meet (esp. in a crossover situation, which this ostensibly is...), you want to really push the differences between the two, emphasize "these are different ponies from a different place (and time? idk)". If they all use the exact same expressions, speech patterns, etc then there's not much left to distinguish between the G4 gang and the G1 ponies, right?

Like I said, I haven't read this one yet so I'll bow out of the convo now until I get a chance to, but I just... don't get why they marketed this as a crossover, like you guys said... It just feels like the writers were told "you've gotta do a crossover", or one of them said "uhhh what can we do next, um, errr, what haven't we done already.. umm....... crossover?", and then they just spent an hour or two doing some basic googling on facts. I don't expect them to become super experts "just" to write a six-issue comic, but like... why does it exist to begin with? No one was asking for this as far as I can tell (obviously idk about the G4 side of things - if it was me, I've always preferred series to stick to their own storyline rather than doing crossovers - but obvs I can't speak for everyone there), the writers probably would've been more excited to do a story featuring chars they were 100% familiar with... just... why??

There's not much for G4 fans either because it's a really lame comic issue. The comics have always been rather hit or miss, but the series mostly focuses on random villains that G4 fans aren't given a reason to care about. They usually put a lot of new characters into the comics, but those comics can often be weaker.

Thx for the input from the G4 side of things, I was wondering about that... what I read of the story felt really lame and slow-paced when I was trying to take it as its own thing and not go "how the heck is this a crossover?!?!", glad to see it's not just me feeling like that :P
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 27, 2022, 06:10:44 AM
Maybe it's just that it's trying to do too many things, thus failing at all of them.

On the subject of everypony, aside it being annoying (especially when fans use it in conversation ><), it's also not very inclusive. It always sounds to me like a bit of a hypocrisy, where only the ponies are important, rather than all the other species that also inhabit G4's world. I never thought of it particularly deeply till seeing that ep with the griffins and their treasure that is less important than friendship, but since seeing that, everypony just feels distinctly uncomfortable and colonial. And I know it's entirely accidental that that's happened. But sometimes the accidental stuff that just happens is the most awkward, because people just don't see it.

Thanks on Galaxy, Carrehz. I'm glad my memory isn't faulty about her being in the movie. You're right that the cast doesn't matter overly, so long as it's consistent from page to page of the comic even if not consistent with stuff outside the comic. I mean, its not like the UK comic stuck to the original cast when it did its version of the smooze story.  Image in spoiler as it's big.
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This happened some several years after the movie and who knows why, or wtf was going on with beachball in that image...but on those grounds I can't really blame the IDW for tweaking the cast. It just feels like they didn't know what they were really aiming for.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on January 27, 2022, 08:43:53 AM
I'm going to write my full review of the new issue soon, but I just wanted to say WOW winged unicorn Beachball! Never thought I'd see that! XD
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 27, 2022, 10:16:24 AM
omg Taffeta I LOVE that comic cover! :lmao: WU Beachball!

I think I remember reading something about how that comic came about... something like, it was a last-minute fill-in job or... something? Argh, I'm blanking on the details but I'm sure I remember there being some particular story behind it. I tried searching through LadyMoondancer's tumblr to see if I'd read it there, but nothing came up :/
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on January 27, 2022, 10:18:59 AM
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Galaxy isn't in the movie - her first appearance in the show is in "The End of Flutter Valley",l as an animation error, then her proper debut is in "The Ghost of Paradise Estate".

Personally I don't mind a bit of reinterpretation re: who was around for what events, etc, since the series was always a bit of a "revolving door of ponies" anyway (complete cast changeovers between RaMC and Catrina, and then again for the Movie; SS Twilight/Locket/FT babies just appearing out of nowhere), but yeah having Galaxy specifically be the main pony for this sort of thing is a weird choice, going off you guys' posts (haven't read the issue myself yet).

The G4 speak annoys me since (aside from the fact that I've always hated "everypony" etc anyway, it just sounds so stupid and forced... and, you know, G1 ponies didn't talk like that) - lack of differentiation between the casts!! when you have two distinct cast groups like this meet (esp. in a crossover situation, which this ostensibly is...), you want to really push the differences between the two, emphasize "these are different ponies from a different place (and time? idk)". If they all use the exact same expressions, speech patterns, etc then there's not much left to distinguish between the G4 gang and the G1 ponies, right?


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That's why I highly dislike the 'daughters' because they are making them sound like G4's/Equestria Girl's when they should have made them not know much about modern world stuff! This issue is where I HATE their talk because the writer threw in Grackle saying "They're fighting like they're on Real Horsewives: Equestria!" G4 doesn't have tv/tv shows right?? Just UGHHH. (I forget I guess they can view what's going on?? but that point is so unclear! I looked thru the other issues again and it just seems that they can suddenly view what's going on in Ponyville... I give up o.O )

Just so tired of their 'modern' talk, THEY LIVE IN A VOLCANO. And how they never want to leave it, I know they 'can't use magic out of the volcano" but with how it's all going, they seem to not be able to LEAVE it by normal means?? So confusing!

Some deep dive details that bugs me?

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Some random light bulb shows up for a moment, "Great Question!",  in this issue when they get back to the daughters for that rage inducing "Horsewives" BS...

I guess the locket is GOLD now...

Somehow Rosedust knows how the Locket works... and why only one Flutter pony... but they probably won't use Utter Flutter cause "OMG G4 ADDED RAINBOW POWER" to Rainbow of Light. WHICH them showing how the Rainbow of Light works after the locket is opened is TERRIBLE! CONFUSING! TERRIBLE CONFUSING MESS! because if you hadn't watched the original special, when the Rainbow soaked up the Darkness, then started working. That kinda happens but so vague I was confused what I was seeing  :pout:

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Then a stupid segment with Opal, I just hate it cause it was suddenly thrown in for North Star to say ONE thing for Twilight to remember something. Also it bugged me cause they spent a slow time getting to issue 4 then now they have to rush everything in last minute  :pout:

OOHHHH THE BIGGEST ANGRY EYE ROLL I just remembered...GRR!! Pinkie Pie showing off the store to get a 'pen and a couch' so they made the G1's have a STORE and naming it something to fit in the 80's... UGH!!

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That's just the huge things that upset me  :blush:


So much UGH all around for me :lookround:


The only thing that G3 ever angered me was a part in the Minty's Christmas special. SANTA CLAUSE. because he was shown as human but they all knew him when they didn't know unicorns and pegsasi  XD But yeah, now I don't care much cause I enjoy the music CD  XD

I also feel that they could just take out the G1's and it's G4 and they just found a weird artifact and some girls got stuck in a volcano could be just like the sirens, banished from ponies into humans.  :shrug:
 
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 27, 2022, 10:40:07 AM
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Galaxy isn't in the movie - her first appearance in the show is in "The End of Flutter Valley",l as an animation error, then her proper debut is in "The Ghost of Paradise Estate".

Personally I don't mind a bit of reinterpretation re: who was around for what events, etc, since the series was always a bit of a "revolving door of ponies" anyway (complete cast changeovers between RaMC and Catrina, and then again for the Movie; SS Twilight/Locket/FT babies just appearing out of nowhere), but yeah having Galaxy specifically be the main pony for this sort of thing is a weird choice, going off you guys' posts (haven't read the issue myself yet).

The G4 speak annoys me since (aside from the fact that I've always hated "everypony" etc anyway, it just sounds so stupid and forced... and, you know, G1 ponies didn't talk like that) - lack of differentiation between the casts!! when you have two distinct cast groups like this meet (esp. in a crossover situation, which this ostensibly is...), you want to really push the differences between the two, emphasize "these are different ponies from a different place (and time? idk)". If they all use the exact same expressions, speech patterns, etc then there's not much left to distinguish between the G4 gang and the G1 ponies, right?


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That's why I highly dislike the 'daughters' because they are making them sound like G4's/Equestria Girl's when they should have made them not know much about modern world stuff! This issue is where I HATE their talk because the writer threw in Grackle saying "They're fighting like they're on Real Horsewives: Equestria!" G4 doesn't have tv/tv shows right?? Just UGHHH. (I forget I guess they can view what's going on?? but that point is so unclear! I looked thru the other issues again and it just seems that they can suddenly view what's going on in Ponyville... I give up o.O )

Just so tired of their 'modern' talk, THEY LIVE IN A VOLCANO. And how they never want to leave it, I know they 'can't use magic out of the volcano" but with how it's all going, they seem to not be able to LEAVE it by normal means?? So confusing!

Some deep dive details that bugs me?

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Some random light bulb shows up for a moment, "Great Question!",  in this issue when they get back to the daughters for that rage inducing "Horsewives" BS...

I guess the locket is GOLD now...

Somehow Rosedust knows how the Locket works... and why only one Flutter pony... but they probably won't use Utter Flutter cause "OMG G4 ADDED RAINBOW POWER" to Rainbow of Light. WHICH them showing how the Rainbow of Light works after the locket is opened is TERRIBLE! CONFUSING! TERRIBLE CONFUSING MESS! because if you hadn't watched the original special, when the Rainbow soaked up the Darkness, then started working. That kinda happens but so vague I was confused what I was seeing  :pout:

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Then a stupid segment with Opal, I just hate it cause it was suddenly thrown in for North Star to say ONE thing for Twilight to remember something. Also it bugged me cause they spent a slow time getting to issue 4 then now they have to rush everything in last minute  :pout:

OOHHHH THE BIGGEST ANGRY EYE ROLL I just remembered...GRR!! Pinkie Pie showing off the store to get a 'pen and a couch' so they made the G1's have a STORE and naming it something to fit in the 80's... UGH!!

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That's just the huge things that upset me  :blush:


So much UGH all around for me :lookround:


The only thing that G3 ever angered me was a part in the Minty's Christmas special. SANTA CLAUSE. because he was shown as human but they all knew him when they didn't know unicorns and pegsasi  XD But yeah, now I don't care much cause I enjoy the music CD  XD

I also feel that they could just take out the G1's and it's G4 and they just found a weird artifact and some girls got stuck in a volcano could be just like the sirens, banished from ponies into humans.  :shrug:
 

Minty took out Santa. No Christmas for you little ponies.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 28, 2022, 01:40:21 PM
Oh man, I was at a comic shop today and they had the latest issue of this in stock, so I picked up and opened it at a random page... I had to put it back cause OMG the sheer amount of valspeak!! What the heck! I mean don't get me wrong, I'm fine with surfer/valley girl talk in the right place, but none of the G1 ponies talked like that so... what the heck happened here??

I'll try and find it and read it through properly later, but I had to say that. o_o

I did see Reeka and Draggle on the page though, they looked pretty nicely drawn from what I saw of 'em. Nice to finally see them instead of those cheap stand-ins we've been stuck with up to this point! :P
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 28, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Do you think they're trying to emulate "how people talked in the eighties" based on stereotypes and ended up going majorly wrong??

...I don't think they watched any of the movie, honestly, given what they've done with the cast and the plot. I think they just read it on Wiki and maybe watched a couple of clips on YT.

Here's my odd sense of humour but I was explaining this whole thing to my mother and she doesn't know what valley girl speak is, so I told her it's like if they were all talking in stereotypical essex dialect. So then I got amused thinking about the G1 ponies talking like TOWIE...

Which I have literally never watched, but still.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on January 28, 2022, 02:03:41 PM
Honestly, that was the impression I got, too. Like they just went "this is how people talked Back In The Day, right????" and called it a day.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 28, 2022, 02:08:46 PM
Honestly, that was the impression I got, too. Like they just went "this is how people talked Back In The Day, right????" and called it a day.

Cowabunga, dude. It's like, truly outrageous :D
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 28, 2022, 03:01:11 PM
Honestly, that was the impression I got, too. Like they just went "this is how people talked Back In The Day, right????" and called it a day.

Cowabunga, dude. It's like, truly outrageous :D


Like chaaa!
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on January 28, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
My Little pony are actions figures I suppose
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Shiverdam on January 28, 2022, 08:24:04 PM
Why is G3 Minty in this? This comic is such a let-down, I was expecting the Mane 6 to meet their OG inspirations like the first images imply. Instead we have a mishmash of random characters from previous gens? What is going on here.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on January 28, 2022, 08:25:59 PM
There's a gag on one of the early pages (I'm just going to spoil it completely here) where Pinkie Pie is like "Here's our Sofas and Quills store!" except instead of calling it that, which, you know, is the name of the store, she calls it "Here's the store that you can get both a pen and a sofa at!". Lickety Split remarks that they too have a "Trapper Savers and tapedeck store". Definitely trying to go for 80's stuff here.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 29, 2022, 04:21:56 PM
Most probably written by people not born when the eighties happened.

Yes, I did the old person thing. And it felt good. :D
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on January 31, 2022, 11:16:17 AM
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41.   :what:

She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!"  :drunk:

Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 31, 2022, 12:31:02 PM
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41.   :what:

She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!"  :drunk:



But was it truly outrageous?

41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on January 31, 2022, 02:48:02 PM
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41.   :what:

She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!"  :drunk:



But was it truly outrageous?

41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.

That doesn't mean they were familiar with the media. It could be a situation like Lauren Faust where she pretty much made up her own personalities and storylines for the ponies they played with.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on January 31, 2022, 02:54:16 PM
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41.   :what:

She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!"  :drunk:



But was it truly outrageous?

41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.

That doesn't mean they were familiar with the media. It could be a situation like Lauren Faust where she pretty much made up her own personalities and storylines for the ponies they played with.

Yes, but, in that context you don't choose to do a G1 crossover with an existing storyline. You use one of your own, like she did.

What doesn't make sense is saying they are a fan of G1, but at the same time, not managing to get the plot or the ponies in the g1 storyline correct.  Because you would also think they'd research the subject if it was something they'd never come across.

I never saw the movie as a kid. I wrote lots of pony stories, but I never wrote a story involving Hydia and the smooze, even though they appeared randomly in that one comic when I was about nine or so. It's not something you get inspired by if you haven't seen it. But if you have seen it, you should at least reference it accurately...or not call the comic a 'crossover'.

I stand by my point.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 31, 2022, 08:20:49 PM
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41.   :what:

She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!"  :drunk:



But was it truly outrageous?

41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.

That doesn't mean they were familiar with the media. It could be a situation like Lauren Faust where she pretty much made up her own personalities and storylines for the ponies they played with.

Yes, but, in that context you don't choose to do a G1 crossover with an existing storyline. You use one of your own, like she did.

What doesn't make sense is saying they are a fan of G1, but at the same time, not managing to get the plot or the ponies in the g1 storyline correct.  Because you would also think they'd research the subject if it was something they'd never come across.

I never saw the movie as a kid. I wrote lots of pony stories, but I never wrote a story involving Hydia and the smooze, even though they appeared randomly in that one comic when I was about nine or so. It's not something you get inspired by if you haven't seen it. But if you have seen it, you should at least reference it accurately...or not call the comic a 'crossover'.

I stand by my point.


I agree, they probably half read the synopsis on wiki and just threw everything at the wall.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on February 01, 2022, 11:08:56 AM
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41.   :what:

She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!"  :drunk:



But was it truly outrageous?

41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.

That doesn't mean they were familiar with the media. It could be a situation like Lauren Faust where she pretty much made up her own personalities and storylines for the ponies they played with.

Yes, but, in that context you don't choose to do a G1 crossover with an existing storyline. You use one of your own, like she did.

What doesn't make sense is saying they are a fan of G1, but at the same time, not managing to get the plot or the ponies in the g1 storyline correct.  Because you would also think they'd research the subject if it was something they'd never come across.

I never saw the movie as a kid. I wrote lots of pony stories, but I never wrote a story involving Hydia and the smooze, even though they appeared randomly in that one comic when I was about nine or so. It's not something you get inspired by if you haven't seen it. But if you have seen it, you should at least reference it accurately...or not call the comic a 'crossover'.

I stand by my point.


I agree, they probably half read the synopsis on wiki and just threw everything at the wall.

Or their only interaction with G1 was as a kid so they are merely going by memory from years ago and filling in the blanks with their own imagination. I certainly don't remember every detail of things I watched as a kid and I was always super detail oriented. Thirty years is a long time.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on February 01, 2022, 01:01:22 PM
True. But they managed to be particular about odd details. Which makes the whole thing more weird.

If you were fan but don't remember, you either make it all up or include vague references eg there was a smooze. You don't then add in Megan and ROL in exact appearance from the wrong special. To get that right means research. To get the show wrong means not enough research.

Sorry but those arguments just don't work. Even if you loved it but didn't remember,  you would want to find out, to do it justice.

Although it may just be the writer bit off too much and can't keep up with the initial brief. The story doesn't seem to gel at all.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on February 01, 2022, 01:58:46 PM
It doesn't matter if the writer does or doesn't remember anything of G1 from their childhood, the problem is the half-hearted attempt at writing G1 and failing miserably. I totally understand if the writer isn't familiar with G1 or maybe likes the toys but doesn't care for the cartoons, or something, but then why not get someone else to write it? Why write a crossover story at all? And yeah, why write a story based on the movie etc and not do the research. It's 2021/2022, it's super easy to find copies of the movie (dunno how available DVD copies are in the US, but hey, there's always online...), it's not THAT long a film..

Like, I dunno. Maybe the crossover idea and basic movie-derivative plot were mandated by some higher-up and the writer just had to work with the story they were given and didn't have a lot of wiggle room. But again, it really wouldn't be that difficult to do an afternoon of research, I'm not asking them to get everything right, but just a bit of effort would be nice...
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on February 01, 2022, 05:22:17 PM
The biggest crime to me is that the story just fails to be interesting at all. :P

...and that most of the pages are just riddled with traced/reference screenshots.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wildshadow on February 11, 2022, 08:54:10 AM
I didn't know the digital was out since Feburary 9th...dear lord...

Ummmm.... NOPE. Just a large NOPE from me. Had the biggest "face into hand, then sliding hand down face" reaction.  :facepalm: :doh:

I just want the physical copy with the Pinkie Pie and Surprise variant. And the other physical copies with Surprise. Just looking at those are the only good things. Though I wish her hair was less yellow on the covers :cry: but UGH I'll probably get the other cover with the Lava... I'm a sucker for Lava and VOLCANO OF GLOOM. And original Witch's...

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The writer for sure didn't know much about the witches, I liked the whole 'sweets are EWWW!' opposite stuff....

and I SKIPPED lots of the dialog this last issue because I just gave up after the first scene and when the two 'witches' were "WHAT'S THAT YUMMY SMELL?? :heart:" so I just scanned over the rest and reading only small parts...

Such a huge disappointment for the ending. ENDS TOO 'PERFECTLY'. :shakefist:  I'm sure the dialog I skipped might have shined light onto the reason but I'm sure it's boring as well  :lookround: Why does everything have to be 'oh redemption!'  -_-

I some how would like to hear from the writer as to WHY to a lot of things but  :shrug:
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 13, 2022, 07:04:03 AM
Ugh... so I read the last issue and I'm so disappointed I don't even want to review it... It's just not even worth my time. Sigh.

Even up to the very end the G1 ponies were barely relevant to the plot. This was not a crossover at all.

The best thing about the entire series is the variant covers by Samantha Whitten. Her art style is adorable and mimics the original G1 style without copying it perfectly, and it features each of the Mane 6 paired up with a G1 pony. I would buy prints of her art, but not the comic itself.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on February 13, 2022, 07:13:46 AM
Wait, it's over already? Argh, I'm so far behind, I really must catch up. Though from the sounds of it, I don't know that I really want to >_<
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on February 13, 2022, 08:32:05 AM
It just sounds to me like a bad fanfiction cobbled together by using google.

It's like when a student hands in an assignment based on wikipedia. You can tell they don't know anything, and it hurts.

...They would have done better leaving G1 out of it and writing a really solid story with the M6 taking on the witches etc. I dunno. It seems like a waste to me.

On the flipside, it doesn't sound like they were trying to undermine G1. They just didn't know how to write about them.

Or from the bits I've seen, how to write anything at all, honestly.

Even with a bad adaptation, if the plot works you can get away with a lot of stuff.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 13, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
I honestly think it would be an insult to call this fanfiction. Fanfiction is something a fan does out of love. Sure it might not be as well written as people who do things professionally, but at least you know fanfiction has some sort of heart behind it, some sort of appreciation from the fan for the media.

I can't say that the person writing the script for this comic has any emotional connection to MLP. If they do, I apologize, I don't mean to be insulting. I just can't see it here. (Well maybe I see it a little in Pinkie and Violet Shiver's growing relationship, but nothing else in the comic really screamed MLP FiM to me. And certainly nothing about it seemed like G1 either.)

I also can't say that the artist had any strong connection to MLP, because they often use screenshots or other official MLP art to make their poses, and there's been instances where they've gotten details wrong and no one caught it. (In one scene in this last issue, Twilight is wearing a rainbow locket on one page and then on the next page the locket is just gone for the rest of the fight scene. The artist forgot to draw it after that page.)

I'm trying to be polite because I know sometimes content creators check out online reactions to their work, and I don't mean to belittle the people who created this comic. I'm just very disappointed. I'm guessing this was just a paycheck for everyone, not a project they felt emotionally connected to. It's a shame, but that's just how the business world works.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on February 13, 2022, 11:21:17 AM
Yeah this comic sucked. :P I'd seek out the variant covers if they weren't so pricey.

If you guys aren't aware, the artist of the variant covers sells pins here (https://www.sugarbunnyshop.com/collections/little-pony-love).
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 13, 2022, 01:53:03 PM
Omgoodness, her shop is amazing! Thank you for sharing! I needed some new pins to wear to work. :)
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Wardah on February 16, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Apparently they announced a new G5 comic series. So I guess the crossover was just there to fill in the gap between G4 and G5.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 16, 2022, 02:23:06 PM
 IDW is losing the license to Hasbro's comics. If their writing teams can only churn out boring and/or unresearched slop such as this, then good riddance. I didn't like their TF comics, I found them dull and passed them onto people who I hoped might appreciate them more. And the few Jem ones I saw, seemed like bad character inserts.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Taffeta on February 16, 2022, 02:46:13 PM
I think that's a good description of the Jem ones, at least what I saw.

It bothered me that it tried to force a niche fan idea in there to make it canon, and did so as though it were always fact and didn't need to be explained, when in fact, it definitely did.

I wonder if them losing the licence was always going to happen, hence the halfbaked pony effort.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: starscout on February 16, 2022, 06:25:33 PM
The artwork in these is absolutely atrocious. Not because it's ugly, but because the artist clearly does not care. Just about every single pony she draws is very clearly traced from either vectors from the show (https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2021/10/20/2728446.jpg), or even fanart (https://derpicdn.net/img/2022/1/26/2793010/large.png). IDW MLP artists have done this several times in the past, but not quite this bad. You'd think they'd really give it their all for the final piece of G4 media. It's just so disappointing because the artist is talented, at least when it comes to humans. I'm not sure if she's just never bothered to venture outside her comfort zone, or if it is pure laziness. If it's the former, I wonder why they didn't check that before hiring her? I do hate to be so harsh on a fellow artist, but stealing another's hard work and profiting off of that theft is unforgivable. I am amazed the editor(s) didn't throw out her sketches the second she turned them in.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 16, 2022, 11:12:48 PM
Dunno if they're losing it for MLP, but I do know for sure they're losing it for Transformers and G.I. Joe. Hopefully they'll lose the rest too.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: starscout on February 16, 2022, 11:39:41 PM
Dunno if they're losing it for MLP, but I do know for sure they're losing it for Transformers and G.I. Joe. Hopefully they'll lose the rest too.
They're not. In fact, a G5 IDW comic series was just announced (https://www.mlpmerch.com/2022/02/idw-announces-g5-comic-series-titled-my.html).
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 16, 2022, 11:53:15 PM
Dunno if they're losing it for MLP, but I do know for sure they're losing it for Transformers and G.I. Joe. Hopefully they'll lose the rest too.
They're not. In fact, a G5 IDW comic series was just announced (https://www.mlpmerch.com/2022/02/idw-announces-g5-comic-series-titled-my.html).

How sucky. Although from what I understood they won't be given the boot till the end of the year.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: Carrehz on February 17, 2022, 08:23:59 AM
Oh huh.. if they were losing the license I was going to say, that'd explain a LOT about this so-called 'crossover' - it'd suggest it was just pumped out quickly to try and get a bit more cash from the property before they lost the license - but if they've still got it then that's odd.

Maybe it was just a stopgap between gens and they were more focused on keeping a MLP comic on the shelves over the actual contents/quality/etc of the comic? Sorta like how the G4.5 toys didn't seem to have much thought or effort put into them. (Not really knocking G4.5, it's grown on me, but it was very obvious from the get-go that it was just there to keep the shelves warm while they were working on G5.)
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on February 17, 2022, 09:03:30 AM
Helloooo general comics discussion thread anyone? :)

Yes, comics have been announced for G5! One of the artists for the comics has mentioned that at least up to issue 10 has been assigned. I have linked the Wiki page since I'll be keeping it up to date with comic covers and such.

The artwork in these is absolutely atrocious. Not because it's ugly, but because the artist clearly does not care. Just about every single pony she draws is very clearly traced from either vectors from the show (https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2021/10/20/2728446.jpg), or even fanart (https://derpicdn.net/img/2022/1/26/2793010/large.png).

I love this image. I couldn't find all of the vectors at the time but this is so perfect.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: starscout on February 17, 2022, 03:05:08 PM
I love this image. I couldn't find all of the vectors at the time but this is so perfect.
In that case, have some more (ft. art theft from other issues of MLP IDW)
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Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 17, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
That whisk!!! :lmao:
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 18, 2022, 06:25:11 AM
Okay there seems to be a lot of IDW bashing suddenly going on in this thread so I just wanted to step in and say how much I firmly, vehemently disagree with that statement. IDW is an amazing company. Is everything they do of good quality? No, of course not. Just like any company. This Generations crossover was a complete disaster. It's not the only poorly made comic they've produced either, but neither is it what they normally make.

It's not easy being a comic book company when you're not Marvel or DC. Those two had a monopolizing stranglehold on the comics industry for many years, and IDW went up against them and took a great concept (revitalizing franchises from the 80's and 90's that we feel nostaligic for) and giving us new stories with the characters we love from our childhoods.

I've never read the Transformers of GI Joe series, but I absolutely adore the TMNT and Ghostbusters comics they've given us, and there's been a lot of MLP FiM comics from them that I enjoy too. I liked their little Back to the Future mini-series, too. Also I liked the Jem comics and I'm sad that they weren't popular enough to continue. They changed the story, yes, but just like The Babysitters Club show on Netflix, you have to modernize your story sometimes in order to reach a modern audience.

Keep in mind that there's over 100 issues of TMNT and over 50 issues of Ghostbuters comics from IDW. They have shown they can withstand the test of time. People do like their content enough to have kept them afloat for years.

The MLP IDW comics ran from 2012 to 2021. That's nine years! That's a great run for a comic series. A lot of the stories in the comics were aimed at kids, being simply friendship lessons, with a few being a little more in-depth and complicated. Similar to the MLP FiM show, actually.

Sometimes they have really great artists, and sometimes they don't. There's been a lot of awesome MLP comic art over the years. Some of the art is traced, yes, but not often. (The same can actually be said of any comic book, including Marvel and DC. People have been pointing out traced art in comic books since comic books were invented, basically.)

There's 100+ issues of the main MLP comic series, and a side-series called Friends Forever that has Mane 6 and background characters team up on little adventures. It gives a lot of random characters, like the Mayor and Shining Armor and Babs Seed, time to shine. The side series has over 30 issues. With other stand-alone stories and Annuals and other mini-series, there are about 200 issues of MLP FiM comics altogether. It's one of IDW's most successful series out of all their franchises.

I will repeat that yes, Generations was horrible. It's sad that the FiM comics ended with a whimper and not a bang. The art is bad, the story is very bad. They lied when they said it was a Crossover, because it basically wasn't. Like Carrehz said, it might have been a thrown together project that they did just to have something until the G5 comics were ready.

IDW is precious to me, because they keep alive the shows and movies that meant so much to me as a kid. And it's obvious it's not just a cash grab. IDW actually cares about these franchises. If you follow the Twitter accounts of the artists, you'll see how much they are fans of these franchises. (In fact one of the primary Ghostbusters comic artists was just a fan who made tons of Ghostbusters fanart on DA until IDW hired him to make it officially. You can still find his old DA account with all his old fanart.)

So please, if you haven't read other IDW comics, don't come into this thread and assume that everything this company produces is bad based on our reviews here, because it's not. Don't automatically assume the G5 comic is going to be horrible. Personally, I'm excited to see new stories from these characters that we barely got to know from the movie.

Not every comic appeals to every person, just like any form of art. But if you like old 80's cartoons and you someday see IDW has made a comic based on it, maybe pick it up and judge for yourself. :)
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 18, 2022, 06:43:39 AM
Okay there seems to be a lot of IDW bashing suddenly going on in this thread so I just wanted to step in and say how much I firmly, vehemently disagree with that statement. IDW is an amazing company. Is everything they do of good quality? No, of course not. Just like any company. This Generations crossover was a complete disaster. It's not the only poorly made comic they've produced either, but neither is it what they normally make.

It's not easy being a comic book company when you're not Marvel or DC. Those two had a monopolizing stranglehold on the comics industry for many years, and IDW went up against them and took a great concept (revitalizing franchises from the 80's and 90's that we feel nostaligic for) and giving us new stories with the characters we love from our childhoods.

I've never read the Transformers of GI Joe series, but I absolutely adore the TMNT and Ghostbusters comics they've given us, and there's been a lot of MLP FiM comics from them that I enjoy too. I liked their little Back to the Future mini-series, too. Also I liked the Jem comics and I'm sad that they weren't popular enough to continue. They changed the story, yes, but just like The Babysitters Club show on Netflix, you have to modernize your story sometimes in order to reach a modern audience.

Keep in mind that there's over 100 issues of TMNT and over 50 issues of Ghostbuters comics from IDW. They have shown they can withstand the test of time. People do like their content enough to have kept them afloat for years.

The MLP IDW comics ran from 2012 to 2021. That's nine years! That's a great run for a comic series. A lot of the stories in the comics were aimed at kids, being simply friendship lessons, with a few being a little more in-depth and complicated. Similar to the MLP FiM show, actually.

Sometimes they have really great artists, and sometimes they don't. There's been a lot of awesome MLP comic art over the years. Some of the art is traced, yes, but not often. (The same can actually be said of any comic book, including Marvel and DC. People have been pointing out traced art in comic books since comic books were invented, basically.)

There's 100+ issues of the main MLP comic series, and a side-series called Friends Forever that has Mane 6 and background characters team up on little adventures. It gives a lot of random characters, like the Mayor and Shining Armor and Babs Seed, time to shine. The side series has over 30 issues. With other stand-alone stories and Annuals and other mini-series, there are about 200 issues of MLP FiM comics altogether. It's one of IDW's most successful series out of all their franchises.

I will repeat that yes, Generations was horrible. It's sad that the FiM comics ended with a whimper and not a bang. The art is bad, the story is very bad. They lied when they said it was a Crossover, because it basically wasn't. Like Carrehz said, it might have been a thrown together project that they did just to have something until the G5 comics were ready.

IDW is precious to me, because they keep alive the shows and movies that meant so much to me as a kid. And it's obvious it's not just a cash grab. IDW actually cares about these franchises. If you follow the Twitter accounts of the artists, you'll see how much they are fans of these franchises. (In fact one of the primary Ghostbusters comic artists was just a fan who made tons of Ghostbusters fanart on DA until IDW hired him to make it officially. You can still find his old DA account with all his old fanart.)

So please, if you haven't read other IDW comics, don't come into this thread and assume that everything this company produces is bad based on our reviews here, because it's not. Don't automatically assume the G5 comic is going to be horrible. Personally, I'm excited to see new stories from these characters that we barely got to know from the movie.

Not every comic appeals to every person, just like any form of art. But if you like old 80's cartoons and you someday see IDW has made a comic based on it, maybe pick it up and judge for yourself. :)


It's not as though, those "old 80s movies and shows" are now obscure properties. With Jem being the exception. They don't have to completely wreck a pre-existing pack of characters and reformat their personalities and looks to suit their own egos.

Other properties have shown that they can modernize just fine without gutting something and crapping on the remains. It's a labor of love, and well researched. They can still stay true to the spirit and personality while rewriting within new parameters.

Then there are those who Just. Can't. Resist. And they  wonder and whine about  why fans spit on it and reject it so vehemently. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm talking about Jem and this poorly written crapfest of a crossover.

So in this case, I have read AND judged for myself. I don't have to agree with you on them being the savior of old properties, especially since most of them take care of themselves. If what I've seen does nothing but bore or annoy me, why am I going to want to continue reading it?

I will be fair and say that different writers will of course be better then others.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 18, 2022, 07:02:38 AM
And that's fine, like I said not everyone is going to like everything that someone makes.

The Jem series didn't have a lot of fans (obviously, because it was cancelled pretty quick) but it did have some. And I followed the Jem comic artist/writer on DA back then and she had a HUGE love for the show. She was a big Jem fan back in the 80's. She was seriously trying her best to make something that would appeal to people. It didn't work, but that's okay, sometimes it doesn't work, ya know? Sometimes you think you're on the right track, as a creator, and then it finally comes out and the public's reaction shows you just didn't hit the mark.

I wasn't trying to change your opinion, just offering another view so people don't assume everything that IDW makes is as badly written and produced as MLP Generations was.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: starscout on February 18, 2022, 07:56:25 AM
I don't think anyone here was saying IDW itself is bad, or that because Generations is bad, then all other IDW comics must suck as well. You have to keep in mind IDW is a publisher. The same team who worked on one IDW comic is not the same team that works on another IDW comic. And much of the team working on Generations have not been pulling their weight.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Wardah on February 18, 2022, 01:06:02 PM
I do think it's odd that the media is saying IDW "lost" GI Joe and Transformers when IDW just said they aren't publishing them anymore and Hasbro hasn't said anything about it at all. It's entirely possible IDW just decided it wasn't worth it to renew the license.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Taffeta on February 18, 2022, 03:58:39 PM
Dragonflitter, before I say anything else, I respect your defence of IDW and you're right, people should not judge on a handful of experiences, since there will always be good and bad writers, artists etc wrapped up in the project.

I don't want to take this too far away from MLP, but I do feel the need to comment on the assumptions that Jem was somehow obscure or that it being cancelled quickly means it didn't have a fandom to care about it being reinvented.

The Jem fandom has always been pretty proactive. They tracked down voice artists. Writers. Designers. Most of the surviving Jem prototype material is in collector hands. Jem fans were able to have direct dialogue with the people who created the series canon - most specifically Christy - and fundraised for Roger Slifer's family when he had the accident that put him in a coma and sadly, took his life. They got people from the original Jem together at the Jem conventions long before Bonnie was ever invited to a pony fair. They went to a lot of energy and trouble to connect to all those people, to find out things from them, to share those things. For that reason, we've master tape versions of songs. Original scripts. And other things, in the hands of the fanbase.

Lots of things that the pony community have never had, and will probably never have.

For this reason, the fandom has always been eclectic. Fans of the show, fans of dolls, fans of certain actors, fans of music production...fans of fashion design...and so on and so forth.

As for the comic, I don't want to dwell too much on that because it's not on topic for the thread. But the idea was pushed into the fandom - in a pretty militant way - by a small group. It wasn't ever reflective of the general fandom opinion. Despite that, when the comic came out, it was made out like it was a popular fan concept. It never was.

If people liked it then that was up to them.  But it wasn't reflective of fan opinion at the time.

It really doesn't matter how much of a fan the writer was. Lauren Faust was a fan of G1 - but that doesn't mean her personal perspective of G1 supersedes everyone else's.

For me it's disrespectful to that proactive, loyal and long-standing fanbase to just assume it's fine to refresh the Jem concept because it's obscure, forgotten or not very popular. It's not really ever been like that. The adaptations and stuff happen because it still has a cult following and presence. Just because you aren't a part of that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just like the pony IDW is not necessarily representative of the whole franchise.
Title: Re: IDW to End Friendship is Magic Series-G1/G4 Crossover Mini-Series
Post by: brightberry on February 18, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
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Good point on the "is Tales 'representing' G2" thing - hadn't even considered that but you could be onto something... she HAS to be there for Brony-related reasons. It can't be a coincidence that they picked the one whose name bronies borrowed for a G4 background pony.

Honestly I've never understood why this comic exists. It's clearly not aimed at us - you know, G1 fans - but... I dunno, I can't say I know how G4 fans think, what they'd like to see, etc, but would they really be into this...? It seems so far removed from the G1 cartoons (or ANY previous G1 works - like I've said all along, I'm fine with a bit of reinterpretation, mixing canons, etc, but this just really feels like G1 in name only, not much connection to anything? It doesn't "feel" like G1) that surely it wouldn't appeal to any G4 fans who maybe enjoy some concepts from G1 but not the gen itself? if that makes sense? I'm sure there ARE some primarily-G4 fans who are also into G1...
The G4 stuff in the comic felt pretty generic to me, what I read of it, but I don't do G4 so I can't really comment there.

It's just a weird choice for a comic all around. Surely a crossover is meant to appeal to fans of both properties that were crossing over? Why make a "crossover" and then have it focus on entirely new chars who have nothing to do with G1 other than some very tenuous, vague, tacked-in links to older characters - which you could snip out and it wouldn't affect the story itself - and not introduce any actual G1 characters until the story's already over half over?!?! I know I keep saying this, but it's just so bizarre!

Out of curiosity - I know there was a FiM/Transformers crossover comic at some point - has anyone on here read it? Did that suffer from the same problems as this G1 comic or was it a proper crossover?

I have it and read it.  Honestly, I thought it was pretty cute.  I didn't hate the art but they did dumb down the transformers just a little bit.  I loved both Transformers and My Little Pony growing up so that kind of story really appeals to me.  It works because Transformers have always been "visitors" to other worlds including alternate dimensions and I love seeing them put off center.  I don't know if I'll read about the ponies going to Cybertron.  Some skits can go on too long and spoil everything.

I haven't read the G1 crossover either.  It would be ok to me if they took on one art style or another but combining them... eh.  It would have been fun to make them all look like G1 when they entered the G1 universe. 

Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 18, 2022, 10:59:30 PM
I haven't read the G1 crossover either.  It would be ok to me if they took on one art style or another but combining them... eh.  It would have been fun to make them all look like G1 when they entered the G1 universe. 

I agree, that would have been a cute idea! And then when the G1's went to Ponyville, they would have changed to the G4 style! If we had spent equal time in both places--so we would have got to see more of both styles--that would have been fun.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Carrehz on February 19, 2022, 08:13:08 AM
I haven't seen any IDW bashing in this thread? Just people trashing the "crossover" and point out the tracing. (Which, EESH, I had no idea it was that bad! Especially the fanart ripoffs, ugh >_< If it was just one or two stock poses I wouldn't think too much about it, cause I get it, horses are difficult to draw - even super-stylized ones like this! you've still got to get the style down - and there's only so many poses you can do.. that sort of thing happens all the time, as others have said... but copying that much? @_@ really hammers home how little effort seems to have gone into this one...)

I haven't read the G1 crossover either.  It would be ok to me if they took on one art style or another but combining them... eh.  It would have been fun to make them all look like G1 when they entered the G1 universe. 

I agree, that would have been a cute idea! And then when the G1's went to Ponyville, they would have changed to the G4 style! If we had spent equal time in both places--so we would have got to see more of both styles--that would have been fun.

I would've loved this!! This really would've been soooo cute.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Taffeta on February 19, 2022, 09:36:05 AM
Even if you took the original premise of a new generation of witches and the volcano, which ok, I'm not sure how that worked, having not read all of it and having not made much sense of it from the bits posted here...but would it be so bad if for example the G4 ponies were tossed into the volcano by the new witchs/evil ponies and ended up being protected somehow by friendship magic/the rainbow of light or whatever...and found themselves in the original movie world with the smooze?


...I dunno. That seems a better premise for a crossover than G1 ponies suddenly appearing for no apparent reason in G4 world and then infodumping a (wrong) account of their own encounters with the smooze...? (Also I think given by a pony that wasn't there).

I get that back in time is a cliche. But...you know. At least it gives options. And that would give the opportunity for the promotion of the so called 'retro' versions of the G4 as well, wouldn't it...if they drew them a bit G1ish...
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Carrehz on February 19, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
And that would give the opportunity for the promotion of the so called 'retro' versions of the G4 as well, wouldn't it...if they drew them a bit G1ish...

That would've made sense when the Retro Rainbow ponies were first released, as it is I'm not sure how available they are right now? I only ever saw them briefly at The Entertainer, over a year after their US release, and they only got 4/6 of the set in. Took me the better part of a year to hunt down the last two online. I'm not sure how wide a release they got?

'course, if they were smart, that would've been a great tie-in. Re-release the Retro Rainbows and have the comic put the G4 chars in the G1 style.. that would've been rad.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Taffeta on February 19, 2022, 10:00:12 AM
And that would give the opportunity for the promotion of the so called 'retro' versions of the G4 as well, wouldn't it...if they drew them a bit G1ish...

That would've made sense when the Retro Rainbow ponies were first released, as it is I'm not sure how available they are right now? I only ever saw them briefly at The Entertainer, over a year after their US release, and they only got 4/6 of the set in. Took me the better part of a year to hunt down the last two online. I'm not sure how wide a release they got?

'course, if they were smart, that would've been a great tie-in. Re-release the Retro Rainbows and have the comic put the G4 chars in the G1 style.. that would've been rad.

Not having been to a toy store more than maybe 2x in the last 2 years, I can't really comment on that either, tbh. Not that I was looking for them. But yeah, I'm sure Hasbro would've been up for that tie in to get sales up too.

Not that they really look like G1 ponies. But G4 people probably don't care too much about that.

Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 19, 2022, 04:17:50 PM
So I had a lot of feelings about the crossover comic . . . I loved the shenanigans of the smooze ponies, especially the unicorn, but I thought it could definitely be improved.  I made a list of things I would've done.


1. Edit down the plot. Dump all the stuff about the Mane Six being overworked, WHO CARES. Start in media res with these strange ponies already teaching classes, and we don’t know who they are but they’re obviously evil and have devious plans.  The G1 ponies should enter the plot by the end of the first issue.

2. Less villains.  Cut out the young witches and the pet rat, just have the smooze ponies.

4. More personality for the G1 ponies (and G3 Minty.  Whose presence I was fine with.)  In the comic they functioned as a collective. But why? I don’t even care if they match a past cartoon personality.  Like they could’ve used Sunlight, Seashell, and Hippity Hop, who were never animated, and given them whatever personality they needed to drive the plot forward.

5. Different moral ‘cause uhhh that one was weird. The G1 ponies were like “Congrats, we are letting you free because you aren’t bad like your moms. :)” And didn’t express remorse for jailing children because of something their parents did. Even if it was an accident--which is understandable, because I too was surprised Reeka and Draggle both found guys to bang--they could have said sorry.

Like I said, ideally I would cut the Witches entirely so this wouldn’t be an issue. The climax would be the smooze ponies making friends with the other ponies.

6.  I would add some multiverse shenanigans.  They visit the G3 world, they visit the Tales world, etc.  The reason would be, like . . . “We have to collect different items for this recipe to defeat the Evil Plan of the smooze ponies, and THIS plant is only found on G3 Butterfly Island” etc.  GO BONKERS. Have a montage of them traveling through the worlds of Transformers ponies, D&D ponies, Ghostbuster ponies, etc.

7. Put the poor forgotten G2 ponies in there, at least for a cameo.

8.  My origin for the smooze ponies: the witches created them to do housework. Then they decided to move, but they left the smooze ponies behind. We know the witches are still fine because they send the smooze ponies postcards from time to time (because that’s comedic.) The smooze ponies, who feel purposeless, are like “oh my gosh, I’ll bet if we spread darkness and misery, they’ll come back!” and the plot kicks off from there.  At the end of the story they realize the witches have been taking advantage of them the whole time and they learn to think for themselves.

Also, even though I keep calling them "smooze ponies", they wouldn't actually be made of smooze.  They'd start as clay statues, which the witches bring to life with a spell.  I wouldn't have any mention of smooze at all, because then the plot drags to a halt as a character must explain the difference between G1 smooze and G4 smooze for the benefit of the audience.

9. I would also have the smooze ponies concocting a different sort of plan.  Maybe something environmental, like they start a magic spell that extends the Everfree Forest into Ponyville, which causes wildness that the G4 ponies aren't used to.  But it IS something the other gen ponies are used to, so they use their expertise to help out.  Then as the plot progresses the smooze ponies begin to have a change of heart, but the spell is so potent that even they can't stop it once it's started, which is why the ponies' only hope is a magical invention or even more powerful spell, etc.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 21, 2022, 06:11:18 AM
I had things to say about this series (despite still not reading it) but it kept turning into stuff about my own project, so it would likely fit in better when I post about that.  I am sorry for anything I didn't respond to as well, such as the "everypony" thing (that may have been it, actually.)

From the sounds of things this comic series ended up being not what I thought it was at least twice over - I thought at one point (I think at first) that maybe it was some kind of "farewell to IDW G4", and they were going to crossover with the "Concept Six" G1 ponies specifically (i.e. only those ponies) and the point would be that the Mane Six's final adventure (on IDW) would be with the G1s they were somewhat inspired by, or at least were supposed to be, which alone sounds like a nice idea to me (yes, I know they are only the "Concept Six" when specifically referring to the unused G4 version of them.)

However, the comic ended up using several G1s (as well as at least one G3), implying it was at least supposed to be a pre-G4/G4 crossover of sorts, but from the sounds of it they did their own thing with the pre-G4s, which... is fine I guess, if they were just going by their own interpretation of them, but if they advertised it as a big crossover thing, it would make more sense to include at least one canon version of each pre-G4 pony.

It is also isn't their final time with MLP as there's going to be a G5 comic from them, though that could be different people and either way this was still their last(?) G4 comic, so at least the idea of it being some kind of grand finale still stands, but I feel it would have made more sense if they'd done either of the things it looked to me like they were going to do.

To LadyMoondancer: I like your ideas for how you would have done the comic, particularly point six and seven, which would have been excellent for a crossover storyline.

Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: starscout on February 21, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
7. Put the poor forgotten G2 ponies in there, at least for a cameo.
G2-who? Never heard of her  :P
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Taffeta on February 21, 2022, 10:14:32 AM
I also agree that LM's edits would have made it work far better.

I'm not really averse to reinventing the characters of g1 ponies as G1 did that itself over and over, but just the completely all over the place aspect bothers me.

The only things, as I said before, that make me genuinely twitch, are 'everypony' and the potential use of Bon Bon to represent G2 (although that may be my overthought - since the G5 special did not fall into that trap.)

The rest is kind of resignation that they didn't bother to look anything up properly or do any major research.

Old person cranky coming up here but that's symptomatic of the world as a whole. Google does not hold the answer to every question.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 21, 2022, 01:50:52 PM
7. Put the poor forgotten G2 ponies in there, at least for a cameo.
G2-who? Never heard of her  :P
That would be My Little Pony Tales.

Put those tomatoes down - it was a joke!

But yeah, the G2... the actual G2s need to their moments in the spotlight (I'll be sure to make sure they do.)

Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: Taffeta on February 21, 2022, 04:11:05 PM
7. Put the poor forgotten G2 ponies in there, at least for a cameo.
G2-who? Never heard of her  :P
That would be My Little Pony Tales.

Put those tomatoes down - it was a joke!

But yeah, the G2... the actual G2s need to their moments in the spotlight (I'll be sure to make sure they do.)



On this forum, a joke like that merits very, very mouldy, smelly and squishy tomatoes.

You have been warned.

...Some things are just not jokeworthy.
Title: Re: NEW IDW has announced G5 comics
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 21, 2022, 06:05:25 PM
The general vibe I got from the comic was the writer was scared of misinterpreting anything, so they tried to speed anything G1 through as QUICKLY as possible to get away from it, almost.  And I think that's the wrong attitude.  Better to spread your wings and crash hard than not to try to fly at all, you know?

I think they just referenced anything that had a TV show / special.  Now if it was me I would've looked at the G2s lack of canon and just made a bunch of stuff up.  OR, better yet, have a recurring gag where the G2 who is tagging along with the gang gets interrupted every time she tries to give the specifics about her home.

"So who founded Friendship Gardens, Ivy?"

"Well, interestingly enough it started as--"

"LOOK OUT, FALLING BOULDERS!"



"Ivy, do all ponies in your world have magic?"

"Believe it or not, we--"

"AHHHH, THE FIRE DEMONS ARE ATTACKING!"

Oh, my imagined montage would also include the Takara ponies, Dream Beauties, and the Petite ponies.  (I know the Petite ponies coexisted with the G1s in the UK comic, but I would put them in their own world and have a panel of them tying down Twilight Sparkle and Lofty or whoever with lots of tiny ropes, like that classic scene in Gulliver's Travels.)
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