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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Sparkle Pony on January 24, 2019, 01:39:06 PM
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I feel like I had seen them use the term once or twice, but I cant quite remember for sure... Heck, I can't even remember if Hasbro uses the generation terminology at all! I'd love some clarification before I drive myself crazier thinking about this.
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Hmm. I don't know? That's a good question.
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No, Hasbro has never used G3, G3.5, or any of the Gx names for MLP, they are only used by fans. :)
The G1 / G2 etc terms were cribbed from the Transformers fandom. In the early 90s Hasbro had a line of toys labeled "Transformers: Generation 2". The idea being to convince Radical 90s Kids that these Transformers were somehow better than previous Transformers, because they were new. (Even though all the Generation 2 Transformers were literally the same TF molds as before, just with gaudier colors and cheaper plastic.)
Anyway, since Hasbro called those toys "Generation 2", Transformers fans then retroactively called the earlier Transformers "Generation 1".
So anyway, in 1997 Hasbro made a new generation of ponies. Pony collectors called them "the new ponies" or "the '97 ponies" (because they were first sold in 1997) while G1 ponies were called "the old ponies" or "80s ponies."
Then in 2003 a new set of ponies came along. Everyone debated what to call them because if G2 ponies were "the new ponies" then what were these new ponies . . . "the new-new ponies"? Confusing! So pony fans started using G1 / G2 / G3. :)
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I think they have used G4 at times when dealing with the bronies, but I may be wrong/it may be unofficial merchandising under licence. But we devised those terms (by we I mean the whole community) and they only existed at all when G3 began, prior to that G1 and G2 were just the old ponies and the new ponies...
I doubt Hasbro care how we classify.
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I think they have used G4 at times when dealing with the bronies, but I may be wrong/it may be unofficial merchandising under licence. But we devised those terms (by we I mean the whole community) and they only existed at all when G3 began, prior to that G1 and G2 were just the old ponies and the new ponies...
I doubt Hasbro care how we classify.
I was just wondering more if Hasbro ever picked up the term from the community and started using it themselves. Especially G3.5 since that was pretty much entirely a collector distinction as far as I know.
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I think they have used G4 at times when dealing with the bronies, but I may be wrong/it may be unofficial merchandising under licence. But we devised those terms (by we I mean the whole community) and they only existed at all when G3 began, prior to that G1 and G2 were just the old ponies and the new ponies...
I doubt Hasbro care how we classify.
I was just wondering more if Hasbro ever picked up the term from the community and started using it themselves. Especially G3.5 since that was pretty much entirely a collector distinction as far as I know.
They're all entirely a collector distinction ;) G1, G2, G3, G3.5, G4. As LM said. They came from the community, largely forums like this. If Hasbro uses them now it's because they want to appeal to the community, but they had no role in creating any of them. At least not in this community ;)
What I think you're kind of asking is whether Hasbro saw a distinction themselves between 3 and 3.5, and therefore acknowledged that by using the terms. But I think they're two separate things. I think they saw a distinction and designed it that way. But to them whatever they're selling at any one time is 'My Little Pony'.
Aside occasional flirtations with G1 retros in 2008, this more recent flurry of retro stuff is kind of new and mostly franchised anyway. So I am not sure even if we see these terms being used now by companies, whether any of them are actually Hasbro or not...
G3.5 was not aimed at us, anyway. When it was out, it was aimed at kids, who also wouldn't be using the terms. So I think it unlikely that they'd ever use that terminology. They weren't interested in the adult fandom particularly back then. G4 kind of changed that because of its surprising and worrying impact in various sectors...but before that, MLP was just a toyline Hasbro happened to sell to kids.
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Hasbro employees probably would know what G4 means, but as far as official merchandise / announcements / etc they have never used it as far as I know. They just say "My Little Pony" or "My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic."
G3.5 was a term that came from fans, as some fans thought the chibi ponies should be called G4 thanks to their wildly different molds, while others thought they should be G3s due to being the same characters in the same universe. So fans split the difference and called them G3.5.
As for the G1 retro ponies, their official terms seems to be "Classic", which I do like. (It's classy, ha ha.)
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As for the G1 retro ponies, their official terms seems to be "Classic", which I do like. (It's classy, ha ha.)
The irony of that is that in Europe and the UK G1 used 'classic' before. The adult ponies sold on the bordered cards in the late 80s/early 90s were all part of the "Classic Collection". In a sense they are just returning to type...
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I've never understood the whole G3.5 thing....Why .5? Because they have big heads? Why weren't they just G4? Because they had some of the same characters? Heck, G4 still has Applejack, so does that make them technically G1.4? G3 reused characters too, so it's obvious that doesn't influence the naming.
I legit don't understand. It just makes no sense no matter how I look at it.
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I've never understood the whole G3.5 thing....Why .5? Because they have big heads? Why weren't they just G4? Because they had some of the same characters? Heck, G4 still has Applejack, so does that make them technically G1.4? G3 reused characters too, so it's obvious that doesn't influence the naming.
I legit don't understand. It just makes no sense no matter how I look at it.
I feel like G3.5 could've been G4 if it wasn't for the Core 7 already existing in G3. Core 7 came out and then Hasbro took the same exact thing and put it in a completely new art style. It really blurs the line, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KTjRHj5nU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N48yB5H6ZBo
^^^ Same exact characters, same exact song, same exact opening. Just a different style...
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No, Hasbro has never used G3, G3.5, or any of the Gx names for MLP, they are only used by fans. :)
The G1 / G2 etc terms were cribbed from the Transformers fandom. In the early 90s Hasbro had a line of toys labeled "Transformers: Generation 2". The idea being to convince Radical 90s Kids that these Transformers were somehow better than previous Transformers, because they were new. (Even though all the Generation 2 Transformers were literally the same TF molds as before, just with gaudier colors and cheaper plastic.)
Anyway, since Hasbro called those toys "Generation 2", Transformers fans then retroactively called the earlier Transformers "Generation 1".
So anyway, in 1997 Hasbro made a new generation of ponies. Pony collectors called them "the new ponies" or "the '97 ponies" (because they were first sold in 1997) while G1 ponies were called "the old ponies" or "80s ponies."
Then in 2003 a new set of ponies came along. Everyone debated what to call them because if G2 ponies were "the new ponies" then what were these new ponies . . . "the new-new ponies"? Confusing! So pony fans started using G1 / G2 / G3. :)
That was interesting, thanks!
I wonder, was G2 ever presented at the NY Toy Fair? Or did it just pop up in stores, out of the blue? I would be fun to see some of Hasbro's promo works announcing G2, if it exists. I know of the four petite pony versions of G2 characters, but other than that, I don't remember anything about the launch of the second gen.
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No, Hasbro has never used G3, G3.5, or any of the Gx names for MLP, they are only used by fans. :)
The G1 / G2 etc terms were cribbed from the Transformers fandom. In the early 90s Hasbro had a line of toys labeled "Transformers: Generation 2". The idea being to convince Radical 90s Kids that these Transformers were somehow better than previous Transformers, because they were new. (Even though all the Generation 2 Transformers were literally the same TF molds as before, just with gaudier colors and cheaper plastic.)
Anyway, since Hasbro called those toys "Generation 2", Transformers fans then retroactively called the earlier Transformers "Generation 1".
So anyway, in 1997 Hasbro made a new generation of ponies. Pony collectors called them "the new ponies" or "the '97 ponies" (because they were first sold in 1997) while G1 ponies were called "the old ponies" or "80s ponies."
Then in 2003 a new set of ponies came along. Everyone debated what to call them because if G2 ponies were "the new ponies" then what were these new ponies . . . "the new-new ponies"? Confusing! So pony fans started using G1 / G2 / G3. :)
That was interesting, thanks!
I wonder, was G2 ever presented at the NY Toy Fair? Or did it just pop up in stores, out of the blue? I would be fun to see some of Hasbro's promo works announcing G2, if it exists. I know of the four petite pony versions of G2 characters, but other than that, I don't remember anything about the launch of the second gen.
I've been wondering the same. I would love to see some promotional material/ toy fair pics/ concept art.
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I've never understood the whole G3.5 thing....Why .5? Because they have big heads? Why weren't they just G4? Because they had some of the same characters? Heck, G4 still has Applejack, so does that make them technically G1.4? G3 reused characters too, so it's obvious that doesn't influence the naming.
I legit don't understand. It just makes no sense no matter how I look at it.
Technically AJ isn't really the same AJ from G1... Her design is inspired by G1 AJ though. Faust was the original creator of the G4 show and the ponies were based off of the first Generation ponies... RD based off of Firefly, Pinkie based off of Surprise, etc. They were called G4 because they were radically different from G3, with new characters and design (the only ponies that translated over from G3 that were Core ponies were RD and Pinkie, while Rarity and Fluttershy were names of ponies not from the core 7, and Twilight if you think about it shares a few aspects of Starsong who was also a core 7 G3). G3.5 used the exact same core characters from G3 which is why the community dubbed them a half generation.
If you really want to get into the nitty gritty on it, the generation tagging basically is used to help ID ponies for sales among collectors. The G4 rehashed toys were debated if they should be considered a half generation too... because it was the same characters but revamped molds... I think right now those newer molds are still just called G4 ponies... sometimes called Movie ponies or some such.
My wondering is if the reboot that has been said to come out after 2020... if it should actually be G5 or if it should be G4.5
Reasoning? If they are the exact same characters just redesigned a bit with style and species... would it not make sense they would really be a half generation?
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I've never understood the whole G3.5 thing....Why .5? Because they have big heads? Why weren't they just G4? Because they had some of the same characters? Heck, G4 still has Applejack, so does that make them technically G1.4? G3 reused characters too, so it's obvious that doesn't influence the naming.
I legit don't understand. It just makes no sense no matter how I look at it.
It was a combo of two things . . . First, even though the toy models were changing drastically, it was clearly the exact same universe as the previous G3 specials. Not the same situation as G4 Applejack and G4 Rainbow Dash, who are "reboots."
Second, a lot of people had this idea that there had to be a gap of several years between gens or else it wasn't a new generation. I'm pretty sure most collectors no longer believe this, but at the time it was a very ingrained idea. (Even though technically there wasn't a gap between G2 and G3 in Europe . . .)
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IIRC there was a debate at the time if it should be "G3.5" or "G4" and it was only -really- settled when G4 came around? but yeah, basically what LadyM said. Different style but too similar to G3 to properly be seen as an entirely seperate generaton.
I feel like I remember someone from Hasbro (or maybe someone involved with FiM?) using the term "G4"/"G5" a while ago? maybe in the leaked G5 stuff? but I don't recall them ever referring to the other gens by name. Officially they've always just been "My Little Pony".
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I feel like I remember someone from Hasbro (or maybe someone involved with FiM?) using the term "G4"/"G5" a while ago? maybe in the leaked G5 stuff? but I don't recall them ever referring to the other gens by name. Officially they've always just been "My Little Pony".
Yes!! I was going to say that earlier but I wanted to provide evidence but couldn't find it. I remember it was from the slideshow presentation, and I think they might've even brought up "G3.5".
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I've never understood the whole G3.5 thing....Why .5? Because they have big heads? Why weren't they just G4? Because they had some of the same characters? Heck, G4 still has Applejack, so does that make them technically G1.4? G3 reused characters too, so it's obvious that doesn't influence the naming.
I legit don't understand. It just makes no sense no matter how I look at it.
I remember looking through the Arena archives a few times and found stuff from when G3.5 came out where someone from Hasbro said themselves that it wasn't a new generation, I think?
I found people talking about it here, haven't found the thread it originated from though. Navigating the archives is a bit tough haha.
http://www.mlparena.com/archive/Forums/viewtopic/t=212729.html
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Found it! :biggrin:
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They use the term "G5" in another graphic as well, so they are using the "generation" terminology.
... but this is also supposed to be internal information. That we weren't meant to see. :shifty: So maybe that muddies your definition of "officially".
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Okay, I must eat my words because it turns out Hasbro DID use the term "Generation 3" on something official at least once, in this timeline:
https://mylittlepony.hasbro.com/en-us/parents
^ Go to the page, search (or scroll down) for "History", and click "Explore the Timeline" to see the timeline. They don't refer to G1, G2, G3.5 (which isn't on the timeline at all), or G4, but it does say:
"2003 - Relaunch of brand with Generation 3 Ponies"
Edit: Oh, that leaked graphic is really interesting!
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IIRC there was a debate at the time if it should be "G3.5" or "G4" and it was only -really- settled when G4 came around? but yeah, basically what LadyM said. Different style but too similar to G3 to properly be seen as an entirely seperate generaton.
I feel like I remember someone from Hasbro (or maybe someone involved with FiM?) using the term "G4"/"G5" a while ago? maybe in the leaked G5 stuff? but I don't recall them ever referring to the other gens by name. Officially they've always just been "My Little Pony".
:huh: I wasn't ever privy to insider Hasbro stuff but I remember some conversation here. If I am recalling correctly I think the whole pro-'call it G3.5' thing was basically about it being the same pony characters as in G3 only younger and with mommies this time, bubble shaped heads reflecting their youth, & more juvenile series. And yeah, some people were for calling it G4 because of the design change and the new series. So for a while FIM was G5. And yet on ebay I have noticed that a lot of people STILL just list G3.5 as G3 ponies. It was a brief lived and confusing transition and sometimes I believe that it was just to get consumers used to the more rounded heads for FIM.
Over the years, as is obvious, MLP has more importantly had less and less of a snout, and of course there wasn't much of one to begin with... Equestria Girls were of course the shortest of these, (seem to never consider counting that as one of the gens for whatever reasons besides it being the most drastic design change Hasbro has ever put MLP through), but any smaller sniffer and the nose on the pony is just going to be a dot folks... I have to wonder how we'd react to dots to breathe through? :P
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Ragamuffin - yesssss that's it!! I knew I'd seen something like that before!
Loreofyore - haha the "shouldn't EQG count as G4.5??" argument seems to come up a lot in threads like this, actually...
Personally I think it only counts as a new generation (or half a gen - I consider the reboot G4 ponies to be G4.5, I know not everyone does though) if it completely and totally replaces the previous gen. Saying EQG should be G4.5 is silly since they were a companion to the main G4 line; it'd be like saying G3 Ponyvilles should be considered their own gen, or G1 Sweetheart Sisters should be G1.5, etc etc. At least in my opinion, heh.
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Found it! :biggrin:
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They use the term "G5" in another graphic as well, so they are using the "generation" terminology.
... but this is also supposed to be internal information. That we weren't meant to see. :shifty: So maybe that muddies your definition of "officially".
Ah, this is what I remember seeing it on! Thanks! I suppose since it is an internal document it isn't "official" by some definitions, but I still find it fascinating that Hasbro picked up those terms from fans and used it themselves.
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No, Hasbro has never used G3, G3.5, or any of the Gx names for MLP, they are only used by fans. :)
The G1 / G2 etc terms were cribbed from the Transformers fandom. In the early 90s Hasbro had a line of toys labeled "Transformers: Generation 2". The idea being to convince Radical 90s Kids that these Transformers were somehow better than previous Transformers, because they were new. (Even though all the Generation 2 Transformers were literally the same TF molds as before, just with gaudier colors and cheaper plastic.)
Anyway, since Hasbro called those toys "Generation 2", Transformers fans then retroactively called the earlier Transformers "Generation 1".
So anyway, in 1997 Hasbro made a new generation of ponies. Pony collectors called them "the new ponies" or "the '97 ponies" (because they were first sold in 1997) while G1 ponies were called "the old ponies" or "80s ponies."
Then in 2003 a new set of ponies came along. Everyone debated what to call them because if G2 ponies were "the new ponies" then what were these new ponies . . . "the new-new ponies"? Confusing! So pony fans started using G1 / G2 / G3. :)
That was interesting, thanks!
I wonder, was G2 ever presented at the NY Toy Fair? Or did it just pop up in stores, out of the blue? I would be fun to see some of Hasbro's promo works announcing G2, if it exists. I know of the four petite pony versions of G2 characters, but other than that, I don't remember anything about the launch of the second gen.
They probably showed up at Toy Fair but back then there wasn't much media presence like there is today. Toy Fair was mostly a retailers only event. From what I have heard people didn't know what was coming out until it appeared in stores or if they were really lucky maybe in a wishbook.
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Personally I think it only counts as a new generation... if it completely and totally replaces the previous gen. Saying EQG should be G4.5 is silly since they were a companion to the main G4 line; it'd be like saying G3 Ponyvilles should be considered their own gen, or G1 Sweetheart Sisters should be G1.5, etc etc. At least in my opinion, heh.
I agree with this. The thing is that EQG has to be considered part of G4 because it begins in Equestria with Twilight Sparkle in the G4 realm, and goes back to that theme even as recently as the rebooted episodes with Sunset Shimmer going back through the mirror. Since the core of G4 is not the toy style/line but the animation, then the world is essentially the same one and thus they're the same. It would be exactly as Carrehz said, just segregating them on species is a bit strange. We don't call Cutesaurus etc G1.5 because they're not pony but part of the pony line. And timeline wise EQG fit in with G4, just as the pony friends do, and Megan, and Molly, and ultimately different shapes like SHS, but also mermaids, sea ponies, and so on.
A new generation is a whole new world to me as well. There can be some overlap names or characters but the key for me is that it's mostly new - different toys, characters, designs, world, concept, and also logos and artwork styles. All those things make a new generation.
The leaked material wasn't leaked from Hasbro I don't believe, it was a secondary company involved in the animation, or am I wrong about that? So that table is not Hasbro but a linked organisation.
Hasbro referring now to older G terms on their website is interesting but I think it's still a post-G4 symptom, in that they now care about what their adult audiences think more than they did when they marketed those old lines. It's all part of building the brand now in a different way from how it was before. Although there have been closer links in the US with the community and Hasbro through the old Pony Fair so who knows.
As for the old idea of gaps between generations, such things are determined and always have been on the dates and systems used in the US because MLP is a US toy originally. Annoying as that can be to work with, at the time it was put forward it made some form of sense. There were 5 years between G1 and G2 in the US and then a similar gap of time between G2 and G3 I think? It only started getting messy when Ponyville stuff happened.
I'm keeping in reserve the G4.5 label, honestly, because for me if the reboot (if there is one) is recycling G4, it's 4.5 and not 5. Even if Hasbro were to sell it as G5, I won't recognise it as Generation 5 unless it meets the criteria Carrehz mentioned. And I think that's also the issue that existed with 3.5. It wasn't new enough to be a new generation, but it was different enough not to be the previous one.
All the leaked material so far suggests this future "g5" fits that precedent.
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They use the term "G5" in another graphic as well, so they are using the "generation" terminology.
... but this is also supposed to be internal information. That we weren't meant to see. :shifty: So maybe that muddies your definition of "officially".
Pity they haven't bothered to update the animation part since 3.5 onward.
Okay, I must eat my words because it turns out Hasbro DID use the term "Generation 3" on something official at least once, in this timeline:
https://mylittlepony.hasbro.com/en-us/parents
^ Go to the page, search (or scroll down) for "History", and click "Explore the Timeline" to see the timeline. They don't refer to G1, G2, G3.5 (which isn't on the timeline at all), or G4, but it does say:
"2003 - Relaunch of brand with Generation 3 Ponies"
Edit: Oh, that leaked graphic is really interesting!
Huh. Interesting. :wonder: :read:
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Personally I think it only counts as a new generation... if it completely and totally replaces the previous gen. Saying EQG should be G4.5 is silly since they were a companion to the main G4 line; it'd be like saying G3 Ponyvilles should be considered their own gen, or G1 Sweetheart Sisters should be G1.5, etc etc. At least in my opinion, heh.
I agree with this. The thing is that EQG has to be considered part of G4 because it begins in Equestria with Twilight Sparkle in the G4 realm, and goes back to that theme even as recently as the rebooted episodes with Sunset Shimmer going back through the mirror. Since the core of G4 is not the toy style/line but the animation, then the world is essentially the same one and thus they're the same. It would be exactly as Carrehz said, just segregating them on species is a bit strange. We don't call Cutesaurus etc G1.5 because they're not pony but part of the pony line. And timeline wise EQG fit in with G4, just as the pony friends do, and Megan, and Molly, and ultimately different shapes like SHS, but also mermaids, sea ponies, and so on.
A new generation is a whole new world to me as well. There can be some overlap names or characters but the key for me is that it's mostly new - different toys, characters, designs, world, concept, and also logos and artwork styles. All those things make a new generation.
The leaked material wasn't leaked from Hasbro I don't believe, it was a secondary company involved in the animation, or am I wrong about that? So that table is not Hasbro but a linked organisation.
Hasbro referring now to older G terms on their website is interesting but I think it's still a post-G4 symptom, in that they now care about what their adult audiences think more than they did when they marketed those old lines. It's all part of building the brand now in a different way from how it was before. Although there have been closer links in the US with the community and Hasbro through the old Pony Fair so who knows.
As for the old idea of gaps between generations, such things are determined and always have been on the dates and systems used in the US because MLP is a US toy originally. Annoying as that can be to work with, at the time it was put forward it made some form of sense. There were 5 years between G1 and G2 in the US and then a similar gap of time between G2 and G3 I think? It only started getting messy when Ponyville stuff happened.
I'm keeping in reserve the G4.5 label, honestly, because for me if the reboot (if there is one) is recycling G4, it's 4.5 and not 5. Even if Hasbro were to sell it as G5, I won't recognise it as Generation 5 unless it meets the criteria Carrehz mentioned. And I think that's also the issue that existed with 3.5. It wasn't new enough to be a new generation, but it was different enough not to be the previous one.
All the leaked material so far suggests this future "g5" fits that precedent.
I'm afraid I don't understand the pony design logic you are using. I only ever remember G1 dolls being humans... in the supposedly real world G1 Megan is fetched from, ponies can't talk so humans... (like every last one of us in the real world) is logically one species of primate. It's only a toy design change in the species that repeat so if humans are equines that is new and something different than bovine centaurs of G1... I think unless Megan repeats in EQG or there is a G1 story or comic I didn't read. Did they bring Megan into EQG? Puzzled now... Honestly, I think that logic creates worse chance of confusion than before especially if we count transformation within different episodes of the same series, such as when a gargoyle-like Scorpan becomes a prince.
Okay...
Just reread and am still confused though... what if they do revamp for fans of EQG but bring back all gen versions of Spike as room-mates and alternates of himself? With a cartoon so much blending is possible but when we have a toy we only have to figure out gens again when new releases leave the factories... we don't seem to widely consider retro ponies a new gen so it doesn't go quite chronologically... but it'd be hard in that case to figure out if G3 spike is now G7 spike someday... :dizzy:
Actually that would have to be G1 spike unless they give us a retro G3 spike toy... I am really starting to get confused!
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Loreofyore - Honestly I'm kinda confused by most of your post (I thought my/Taff's posts were pretty straightforward) but Megan did get a cameo in one of the recent EQG things (dunno which):
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(edited to fix grammatical error >.<)
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Loreofyore - Honestly I'm kinda confused by most of your post (I thought my/Taff's posts was pretty straightforward) but Megan did get a cameo in one of the recent EQG things (dunno which):
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Whoa! There she is!
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Loreofyore - Honestly I'm kinda confused by most of your post (I thought my/Taff's posts was pretty straightforward) but Megan did get a cameo in one of the recent EQG things (dunno which):
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I think it's in the Rollercoaster of Friendship. I have this feeling she appears twice, though I don't know why I think that way...she certainly appears once. But it's just a random easter egg moment.
I also don't really understand the problem. In any case, the fact that Twilight Sparkle follows Sunset Shimmer through the mirror from Equestria into Canterlot High irrevocably connects G4 to EQG. And even though EQG has gone through some reboots in the toy terms, the most recent episodes (based around this reboot, given the outfits), also have this connection. Sunset Shimmer goes back to Equestria when she's trying to figure out why nobody can remember her, and goes back into being a pony. Meantime, events that happened in FIM between when Twilight first went to Canterlot High and this episode have still clearly been taking place, making them parallel continuities.
I don't think horses can speak in EQG either, in the human world, so I'd say going through the mirror is the G4 equivalent of going over the rainbow, albeit with some genetic alteration along the way (it is the 21st century!). It's more a parallel world kind of thing? But although in the first episode Spike goes with Twilight to Canterlot High (thus can speak), SciTwi's dog Spike can't speak until exposed to all the magicky stuff going on around Canterlot High.
There's also cross-references as there's a scene in that Sunset Shimmer ep I think where Luna(pony) comes out with something really long and complicated, and then Sunset comments that she's more used to hearing Luna (human) telling students not to park in the staff lot.
So yeah, I don't get the confusion either. EQG is a spinoff of FIM. Nothing else makes sense.
And the points we made before still stand. Other species of non-pony in G1 aren't 1.5 and nor are Megan and Molly. I am not really sure why Megan being in EQG matters, tbh, because it's just a random inclusion and it's not G1 - but anyhow...
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Loreofyore - Honestly I'm kinda confused by most of your post (I thought my/Taff's posts was pretty straightforward) but Megan did get a cameo in one of the recent EQG things (dunno which):
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(screenshot borrowed from this (http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,392154.msg1724085/topicseen.html#msg1724085) thread)
She looks awfully jaundiced.
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-_- I think you guys are really out of your depth and unaware of your context on that part of the conversation ever since one of you had brought up the concept of species segregation and then started through some of them. But we are not allowed to talk about non-trivial things out of WYP so I can't explain why I fear this concept is problematic here. I've read that concept before in a context for FIM I don't think you are getting (first thought maybe you were trying to be helpful and had read all that but were like really counterproductive not getting), nor are you understanding how transforming humans in the core 5 probably made that criticism seem even more valid and may have made the show worse.
Good luck but I'm getting out of this draining discussion that I can't even have with you. Exhausting and stressful enough for me when I wouldn't have to introduce the context to folk who've not heard much about.
Hope you'll all have nice days.
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No, Hasbro has never used G3, G3.5, or any of the Gx names for MLP, they are only used by fans. :)
The G1 / G2 etc terms were cribbed from the Transformers fandom. In the early 90s Hasbro had a line of toys labeled "Transformers: Generation 2". The idea being to convince Radical 90s Kids that these Transformers were somehow better than previous Transformers, because they were new. (Even though all the Generation 2 Transformers were literally the same TF molds as before, just with gaudier colors and cheaper plastic.)
Anyway, since Hasbro called those toys "Generation 2", Transformers fans then retroactively called the earlier Transformers "Generation 1".
So anyway, in 1997 Hasbro made a new generation of ponies. Pony collectors called them "the new ponies" or "the '97 ponies" (because they were first sold in 1997) while G1 ponies were called "the old ponies" or "80s ponies."
Then in 2003 a new set of ponies came along. Everyone debated what to call them because if G2 ponies were "the new ponies" then what were these new ponies . . . "the new-new ponies"? Confusing! So pony fans started using G1 / G2 / G3. :)
That is really interesting- I had no idea! I guess MLP and Transformers have always been closer than some of us thought!
Also interesting to hear how resistant collectors were to call the big-head ponies G4 (kinda similar to now where they've changed the toy mold but not the cartoon)
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I find that leak image of the smaller ponies running at the large nightmare moon kinda looking pony- very interesting! I think I would like that series already based on that art, lol
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Loreofyore - I'm sorry but I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, are you still talking to me? I feel like some wires have been crossed here or something? :what:
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i -_- I think you guys are really out of your depth and unaware of your context on that part of the conversation ever since one of you had brought up the concept of species segregation and then started through some of them. But we are not allowed to talk about non-trivial things out of WYP so I can't explain why I fear this concept is problematic here. I've read that concept before in a context for FIM I don't think you are getting (first thought maybe you were trying to be helpful and had read all that but were like really counterproductive not getting), nor are you understanding how transforming humans in the core 5 probably made that criticism seem even more valid and may have made the show worse.
Good luck but I'm getting out of this draining discussion that I can't even have with you. Exhausting and stressful enough for me when I wouldn't have to introduce the context to folk who've not heard much about.
Hope you'll all have nice days.
Huh? :what: Did you accidentally post this in the wrong thread?
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-_- I think you guys are really out of your depth and unaware of your context on that part of the conversation ever since one of you had brought up the concept of species segregation and then started through some of them.
Ok, so I went back and re-read your posts.
I am not oblivious to the implications in your last one. I'm also not going to discuss them, not because it's against the rules to do so, but because it's utterly irrelevant to the discussion.
Generations are defined by production context and continuity. It's as simple as that. It has nothing to do with species, biology, evolution, or the size of the pony's nose. That sounds like a brony hype theory to me - those have no place here.
Generations were defined by this community in the way others have already described. EQG, by being in the same production cycle as G4, and the same continuity in the fiction of G4, albeit a parallel world situation, is G4. Just as Hoppy the Kangaroo is G1, even though there's nothing equine about a kangaroo.
I suggest you take a breath. Either you've totally misunderstood the discussion, or you're trying to take it somewhere it just isn't going to go...because we're talking about pastel ponies. I admit I hope it's the former, as I really dislike being wilfully misunderstood.
For the record, I study representation of horses in premodern Japan. The horses I deal with in my research can be countries, cities, they can start wars and determine deaths, they can eat people, be dragons, come from the sea, command fire, even be the avatar of a god/dess. They can turn thieves into warriors, symbolise young men off to war, and even define the paths of princes. In that context, I don't have problems with cartoon ponies going through a mirror and ending up in a weird parallel high school world.
Let's face it, we're talking about something designed to amuse an eight year old. Let's not get carried away.
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*Shakes finger* Ah tut tut Taf. I disagree about the nose. For the nose knows, not what it thinks it knows. Which then begs the philosophical question, Can a nose by any other name smell as sweet?
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*Shakes finger* Ah tut tut Taf. I disagree about the nose. For the nose knows, not what it thinks it knows. Which then begs the philosophical question, Can a nose by any other name smell as sweet?
*throws fakies*
Who nose :)
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:P
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For the record, I study representation of horses in premodern Japan. The horses I deal with in my research can be countries, cities, they can start wars and determine deaths, they can eat people, be dragons, come from the sea, command fire, even be the avatar of a god/dess. They can turn thieves into warriors, symbolise young men off to war, and even define the paths of princes.
Oooh. I hope G6 incorporates every single one of those things. We totally need human eating ponies. o___o
Take note hasbro, take note...
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I’m late to the discussion but I just wanted to say that my one problem with using the .5 classification is not knowing what is coming next. If we call the upcoming redesign 4.5 because it doesn’t fit the criteria of earlier generations then what happens if the redesign after that also doesn’t fit those same criteria? 4.55? 4.75? 4.6? Why not start with 4.1 or 4.2 and go from there. At least then there would be 10 designations to deal with within the same generation.
In the end it might be best to call the newest redesign “the new ponies” until they are no longer new and then classify them with the knowledge of both what came before and what is coming after.
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In the end it might be best to call the newest redesign “the new ponies” until they are no longer new and then classify them with the knowledge of both what came before and what is coming after.
I mean, I'm fairly sure that's what happened with G3.5...
Ok my memory is a bit hazy, but I'm fairly sure people were calling them "new look" (or a similar term) for awhile.
Until then Some suggested G3.5... Some G4... Some... frank? (Or some man's name? I think??)
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In the end it might be best to call the newest redesign “the new ponies” until they are no longer new and then classify them with the knowledge of both what came before and what is coming after.
I mean, I'm fairly sure that's what happened with G3.5...
Ok my memory is a bit hazy, but I'm fairly sure people were calling them "new look" (or a similar term) for awhile.
Until then Some suggested G3.5... Some G4... Some... frank? (Or some man's name? I think??)
Let's follow on that pattern and call the next iteration Bob. Or Fred. They're good names ;)
And it would give a different dynamic to the Megan & Sundance relationship, wouldn't it, if Sundance was prone to human-nibbling...
To go back on topic, I agree with Sunset about the classification. In a sense, the .5 thing is difficult to ascribe without stuff being around to compare. I think it did take a while for G3.5 to be defined, and people are still split on the movie look G4 ponies, with some people using 4.5 and some not. I guess we'll figure it out. I think it's a bigger problem because we're consciously trying to classify them now, whereas in the past we didn't really do that to this extent...
Too many iterations of MLP...
Incidentally, the retros I would class as G1, albeit reproductions. Even though they're new...because they're not new. If that makes sense. They don't need to be G1.5 or anything like that, because they're really no more distinct from the original releases as Italian versions of said ponies might be considered.
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Yeah it's interesting how the repro stuff never really gets brought up for stuff like this (not only the current ones, but other stuff like the 25th ann. repros, Dollymixes, etc).. I just consider them "G1 Retro".
I also think it's better to wait and see rather than trying to pick a generation name !right now!. G3.5 wasn't named right away (I remember them being called "New Look" ponies too) and it took a decade or two for G1 to be dubbed "G1" ;) I don't think there's any rush to name them.
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For the record, I study representation of horses in premodern Japan. The horses I deal with in my research can be countries, cities, they can start wars and determine deaths, they can eat people, be dragons, come from the sea, command fire, even be the avatar of a god/dess. They can turn thieves into warriors, symbolise young men off to war, and even define the paths of princes.
Oooh. I hope G6 incorporates every single one of those things. We totally need human eating ponies. o___o
Take note hasbro, take note...
My Little Cannibal. :lol: