*The movie is here! Please tread carefully if you are trying to avoid spoilers :)*
Hey folks! Now that the FIM subforum is gone it's time to start our integration into the corral. I think the best way to start is with the MLP Movie, which is only a few weeks away!!
Are you excited for the movie? Skeptical? Want to know what's going on but not sure if you'd like to go see it? Come share your thoughts!
I've personally dug up everyyyy little bit of info I could on the film since the very start. Before the end of the FIM Forum, the enitre plot had practically been uncovered! I will be adding spoilers to this thread, but I'll be keeping everything under spoiler tags. If you plan to discuss movie spoilers, please also keep them under spoiler tags for those who aren't interested!
Trailer #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIv_ConaZ1c
Trailer #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNcus0-z9AM
Official Site: http://www.mylittlepony.movie/
Tempest Shadow's name and origins
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Tempest Shadow's real name is not Tempest, but Fizzlepop Berrytwist. Yes, you read that right, I'm not joking. I'm not 100% on if the name will be dropped in the film but I believe it's possible, this tidbit was found in one of the books.
As for her story, Tempest and her friends wanted to one day attend Celestia's school, the same one Twilight did. They were all promising students, but Tempest tripped running out of a cave trying to escape on of the Ursa's and tripped, breaking her horn. With a broken horn she couldn't perform magic properly anymore, it wasn't controlled well enough. As a result she couldn't join the school but her friends did without her. The scorn and betrayal are likely what turned her against Equestria. She sided with the Storm King under the belief that he would be able to fix her horn (this does not appear to ever happen).
The Seaponies
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It's been hinted at for awhile, and with some toy reveals from Hascon and information from the movie site, we know for sure that the seaponies are not originally seaponies. These seaponies are actually Hippogriffs! According to the movie comics, the hippogriffs actually have their own continent. They were chased away when the Storm King came to take over, so Queen Novo hid herself and her citizens beneath the sea, safe from his influence. Celestia is the one who tells Twilight to find Queen Novo, but refers to her as "queen of the hippos".
The Series of Events
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Not 100% confirmed, but from one of the books it appears that the events go:
Canterlot Celebration -> Tempest's Attack and capture of Canterlot -> The mane six travel to "Klugetown", an area in Equestria's badlands. This is where we see the windmill scene -> The ponies meet Capper here, and Capper intends to sell them for a reward -> The ponies are on the pirate ship next (likely from capture by Capper and sold the the Captain) -> The ponies fall into the sea after the ship is harpooned -> The ponies are rescued by Queen Novo who uses her peal to turn them into sea ponies -> Twilight is captured by Tempest -> The rest of the ponies go to her rescue -> The storm king is defeated -> Happy Friendship Celebration!
tl;dr
Festival > Canterlot Seige > Badlands > Pirates > Seaquestria > Storm King > Canterlot
Outside of Equestria
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We know that the hippogriffs original home, seaquestria, and Capper's home are all different locations. Capper's original home is called Abyssinia. It was also taken over by the Storm King.
Updated Map of Equestria:
I'm pumped! I love the themes that have been revealed so far, like
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hippogriffs, sea ponies, and PIRATES!
I do feel a bit sad that I've seen so many spoilers, but it's inevitable since I follow toy news and see the toys. (For what it's worth, the toys look cool, lol.)
I wasn't too excited at first but I'm more excited now then I was. Im excited to see the seaponies and
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that there might be a song. I also know they were Hippogriffs
I'm trying to avoid major movie spoilers but I've already got a few of the toys including Skystar and her musical shell, Tempest brushable and Tempest Build a Bear.
Tempest is intriguing and I want to know more about her.
Ponyfan
I just watched the second trailer and I'm hyped, so I'm glad there's a new thread for discussion :D!
It was cool to hear Capper speak in the second trailer :)
Also, I'm really digging the animation style. The ponies look so fluid when they move!
Cappers voice felt really out of place to me, like it was just a little too deep to fit his character? I'm sure I'll feel different in the film but it threw me off
Thoughts on Capper's voice
Capper doesn't sound like I thought he would.
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almost like the actor is trying too hard to voice the character? Something just seems a little off. I'm hoping once I see the movie I won't mind his voice so much.
Thoughts about the pirates
Also
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how is a cat a pirate with a bunch of bird pirates? Are the birds in charge?
Ponyfan
I can try to answer that ponyfan! Just know that this is from the mlp movie comics so I'm not 100% on how the movie will handle it
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After Capper and his friend escaped their home continent (taken over by the storm king) they stashed away on an air ship and then the pirate ship if I remember correctly. That would explain how he knows the pirates
I was excited that my Barnes and Noble showed they had the prequel comic in stock but I couldn't find it in the store today. :sad:
The soundtrack is up for preorder on iTunes but it looks like the titles might give parts of the movie away
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It looks like there's a song by Skystar, Capper and Tempest so far.
Ponyfan
Tempest would probably look horrible on the show because they would just use the Sassy Saddles or Cadence greyhound pony model.
But do you think she will appear in the next season (voiced by someone else)?
Hmmm.. well...
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I think it's possible, because we saw at Hascon that a seapony should be appearing next season
As for when I'm going, I'd love to do opening weekend, but it falls on a day I'm taking a trip out of town. A friend of mine who has a daughter is going with me when we do go so it'll seem less awkward haha
I also listened to some of the song previews. So far "One Small Thing" is the one I like the best. "We got This Together" sounds like
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every pony in Equestria will be there and I heard some male voices in the chorus.
I'm not sure how I feel about the song in the trailer either.
Ponyfan
I found the full version of the songs on Youtube. I really like "One Small Thing" and "We've Got This Together" I still can't get in to "Off to See the World" even though I liked it in the trailer. I don't want to listen to the Tempest song because I don't want to be spoiled. I also think "Rainbow" will be the last song.
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There are hints that it is in the music video.
Ponyfan
I watched the "One Small Thing" and Twilight meets Sia clips.
The "One Small Thing" clip makes me wonder if
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Queen Novo and the other sea ponies don't quite trust Twilight and her friends yet since the merponies are all swimming on the sides and Queen Novo is watching Pinkie and Skystar closely and at one point nods to Skystar.
Twilight meets Songbird
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It's hard to tell much about Songbird from this clip. Is she a diva pony or more like Rara? I guess we'll find out in the movie.
Ponyfan
Ok, one small question for all of you who have listened to the sound track: is there any tiny little call back to "Call Upon the Seaponies"?
If there isn't, I'd like to go ahead and manage my disappointment now.
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Not from what I can remember, which is totally a missed opportunity. :cry:
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I think the fact that there is a sea pony song is kind of a call back to "Call Upon the Sea Ponies" and also Skystar mentions "I wish there was just one small special thing that we could do for you." There is a brief shot of Queen Novo watching Skystar and Pinkie singing and then Queen Novo nods at Skystar. So I think the sea ponies will help the Mane 6 in some way besides transforming them in to sea ponies.
Ponyfan
Hm hm, so anyway, I've ended up spoiling the entire movie for myself out of excitement. But I noticed one thing I wanted to point out -
So that Guardians of Harmony figure of a hippogriff named "Stratus Skyranger"? I have not seen mention of him anywhere. I don't think he even shows up in the film :blink:
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From what I understand hes like Queen Novos main guard. I don't know if he will be in the movie but he is in the books.
Post Merge: September 29, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
Ok, one small question for all of you who have listened to the sound track: is there any tiny little call back to "Call Upon the Seaponies"?
If there isn't, I'd like to go ahead and manage my disappointment now.
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From what I've seen no, however just because its not on the soundtrack doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The soundtrack is only like 14 tracks, so it kinda feels like only the bigger songs made it on. ALSO while I too will be super disappointed if we don't get any shooby dos I guess I would like to remind everyone that while they may look like seaponies they technically aren't actually seaponies they are hippogriffs in hiding.
I finally found the prequel comic book. :) :) There is also a movie comic book but I put that one back. Target had a large display of movie toys and books today.
Edit: There is also a Making of My Little Pony the movie special on Discovery family tonight at 7/6 central and repeated again at 11:30/10:30 tonight. I don't know if it will give away any spoilers though.
I also finished the prequel comics and it seems to hint at things that will happen in the movie. Thoughts about the comics in the spoiler.
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The bird pirates are being forced to work for the Storm King. Chummer escaped from the town but later crashed the airship. It's that airship that Tempest finds destroyed and the jewel. Capper feels like he has to go back and rescue the bird pirates since the captain showed him kindness.
Ponyfan
Edit: There is also a Making of My Little Pony the movie special on Discovery family tonight at 7/6 central and repeated again at 11:30/10:30 tonight. I don't know if it will give away any spoilers though.
Ponyfan
I felt that it was a cute little special, and it has made me more excited for the movie than I already was. The only "spoiler" that I can remember hearing would be Spoiler
the whole seaponies used to be hippogriffs situation.
but that is more of a "unless you already knew about this beforehand or saw a specific toy" thing. There wasn't anything "new", spoiler-wise, outside of the usual "sneak peek at some scenes".
Watching the special, it is very nice that (granted, I already knew about this from the start) they kept the original VAs for the Mane 6. I mean, a lot of kid-shows-turned-into-movies have a tendency to change all of the VAs and that can be a bummer. I know that one of the big complaints about the Ninjago movie that came out a few weeks back.
I'm getting excited for the movie too but I don't think I have anyone that would want to see it in theaters with me so I will have to wait for a while.
Can someone that's read the prequel comic and The Stormy Road to Canterlot confirm
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There's a difference between how Tempest gets on the caravan in the comic and the book and when she meets the Storm King? It doesn't seem like a deal breaker to me though. I'm just curious as to how two different versions ended up in official media but it could be as simple as one was written from an earlier draft of the meeting than the other.
Ponyfan
I just listened to Capper's song. I like it but there is a line that makes me wonder if
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Capper might try to betray/sell the ponies when he talks about Verko
Ponyfan
Got back from watching the movie. It was quite fun, and seemed like both kids and their parents enjoyed it too. I might try to see it again this weekend, so if that's the case, I'll try to see if another theater has the figures. :D
As far as any spoiler-y stuff:
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- Is it bad that I "cared" more about the movie characters than the Mane 6? I wanted to see more of them, especially Captain Celano. She kinda got less screen time than Skystar and [especially] Capper. Speaking of, I demand more merchandise of Capper because he was quite enjoyable to watch.
- I didn't really care much for the Storm King. He was kinda "Oh i am really the main bag guy but I'll physically show up for like 10 minutes at the most at the end of the movie". In a way, I wish that Tempest was the main villain.
- As cliche as Tempest Shadow got at times, I felt quite bad for her the more I thought about her backstory. She just wants her horn back, and is still hurt that her friends left her when she needed them. I kinda wonder if she was having a mild panic/anxiety moment during the scene when Grubber told her he failed on getting the ponies (they fell down the waterfall). Plus, I like how you can see the "real" Tempest coming out a little when she is trying to ask the Storm King about her horn, especially once he had the magic staff thing.
- As far as the Mane 6 goes, I disliked how it was basically Twilight, Pinkie, and Rainbow Dash getting most of the "action". Rarity and Applejack got some attention too, but Fluttershy barely did anything by comparison. I did laugh at her little "therapy session" she had during the big fight (some parents in the audience laughed at that too). She should look into that as a career.
- They really should have done more with Grubber. I get he is the comic relief charatcer, but he pretty much dissapears at the near-end of the movie. It's like the movie forgot about him. And wasted potential of not having him be like a sidekick/companion to Tempest (like how Spike is to Twilight) at the end of the movie. (Hard to explain in words).
- I was surprised at how "semi-dark" some of the movie is. It was sad to see the residents of Ponyville chained/muzzled like that.
- I still can't believe that Twilight thought it was a good idea to use her friends to distract the seaponies so she can steal the Pearl. And it was a stupid idea, too - did she seriously think that Queen Novo wouldn't have a security system for it?
- It bothered me how they had no problem showing cameos of other characters, but they couldn't even do a cameo for Sunset Shimmer as a pony? I know she is in EQG but gosh...
- Cute idea to have the end credits be a semi-epilogue/ the movie cast members are enjoying the party. Also liked how they went with the "storybook" look.
Just got back! The theater I went to didn't have any of the special free stuff. :cry:
Anyway, I had a lot of fun. Skystar is such a cutie, I really need to buy her already!
well, spoilers!
Rest in Peace, Storm King (???? - 2017)
So my friends and I won't have much time to eat between when we get off work tomorrow and when the movie starts. So I thought I'd make some cookies to share. Then I thought of something else cute to add, and then something else, and then had another idea....
I made each of them a bag of themed snacks plus a baby seapony and a cup so I can share the big bucket of movie popcorn I'm going to buy. I printed off little labels for each snack. They are: Twilight Sparkle's Friendship Popcorn, Rainbow Dash's Totally Awesome Rainbow Cookies, Fluttershy's Lil' Critter Nut Mix, Applejack's Country Striped Cheese, Rarity's Simply Divine Dark Chocolate Almonds, and Pinkie Pie's Funtastic Fruit Snacks.
Yeah, I may have gone a little overboard.....
That's so cute!
I love your goodie stock Sunset!
I enjoyed the movie a lot. The bigger eyes took me a bit to get used to but I like the art style overall.
The only free stuff at my theatre was a certificate that said "My First Movie" that kids could write their names on. It has a picture of the cast and on the back of it was a colouring page.
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I think I like Capper's song the best,
but repeat viewings are needed to reach a final conclusion. Tempest' s Song is a close second.
I agree that the Storm King was kinda meh but I also think Tempest was a stronger villain by being the brains of the two. She really was the real antagonist.
I too wish the pirates had more to do. I was kind of hoping to hear more of their backstory and their relationship with the Storm King but I guess that would have slowed down the pacing.
For as much screentime as Rainbow Dash got, I really didn't mind her. I generally think she is overly rude and too overpowered, but I think she was more like the early seasons of Rainbow Dash which I appreciated.
I thought it was odd that there was no mention of the Elements of Harmony, but not a huge omission.
Love Tempest's true name!
This is all I can think of right now but I'm sure I'll come up with more after thinking it over. I will definitely be getting this on blu-ray when it comes out.
I saw it tonight and I really liked it!
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There were some really sweet parts!
I do wish that Rarity had more screen time.
Am I the only one that actually liked the Storm King? I plan on drawing him both in his current form and humanized.
I felt a personal connection with Tempest. I’m glad that she can finally enjoy friendship.
I was able to catch a viewing of it tonight, and I was honestly really impressed. I genuinely think I might try to catch it a second time before it leaves theaters.
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Other than the very beginning of the movie moving a little fast, I actually felt like everything moved along at a pretty good rate. I was worried that with all the new characters things would feel rushed to fit them all in, but over all I feel like they balanced everything out pretty well. I'm mostly disappointed Songbird didn't have a bigger part. I was 99% positive she was going to be like Zootopia's gazelle who got so much merchandise over actual important characters, but no real purpose in the film. Songbird ended up being the same way, I was kind of hoping she might play some sort of role in helping the plot but she didn't.
I really loved all the other new characters though. I think my favorites were Capper, Captain Celano, and Queen Novo. I'm kind of curious to know what happens to them after the movie ends, I think it would be fun if the comics did an epilogue series since they did a prequel series. I felt like there was still a lot that could be explored. Especially with Capper, that poor cat doesn't have to go back to Kludgetown after the credits roll does he? I also loved and felt for Tempest Shadow. Friends leaving you when things get rough with your life? Girl, I feel you. I kind of hope we see her again in the show or somewhere, we got very slight glimpses into her "real" personality, but ultimately we don't know much about her non villain side. I feel like she would fit in well with Starlight's group of ragtag ponies :P The Storm King himself was kind of a letdown, I was hoping he'd have a little more of a presence. He was enjoyable enough, but he really never felt very threatening, I'm not really sure how he managed to take over and destroy so many kingdoms without Tempest. She seems like the real brains behind the whole operation.
As far as our familiar Main 6 go, I felt like they were pretty fun to watch too, they didn't feel as zany and wacky as they've felt in later seasons. It was SO nice to see Twilight with some personality quirks again. I liked seeing her slowly get more and more irritated with everything as the adventure went on, it's nice to see that even though she's the princess of friendship, she's still not perfect at dealing with every aspect of it. Her trying to steal the pearl was really incredibly bold, I thought it was interesting that being beaten down by everyone they had met along the way drove her to the point of thinking outright theft was the best course of action rather than trying to talk things out. I kind of wish the other 5 had a little more of a role, it kind of felt like it was Twilight's movie at parts and they were just there for the ride. Especially Fluttershy, she never really got a chance to shine.
I thought the songs in the movie were fun and enjoyable. None of them felt too forced into the scenes and they sounded really professional with the real orchestra backing them up. I was happy with the animation more than anything else though. It was so amazing to see a 2D animated film in theaters again. Everything looked so fluid and all the expressions were done really really well. Some of the more 3D background objects like the ships and the windmill looked a little out of place in parts but I don't think it was too distracting. In my opinion it was a major step up from the 80's MLP movie, this animation looked like it belonged on the big screen. I was happy to see so much care was put into it.
I went with my mom and she even enjoyed it. Other than being really confused about Twilight being a princess (guess she hasn't seen any episodes in a few years :P) she said it was pretty easy to follow and a well crafted story. So hopefully even non pony fans can enjoy the movie!
My main complaint is that I didn't see any of the concession goodies at the theater i went to :( Does anyone know what theaters are carrying them? Will they be at major chains or more independent theaters? If I go a second time I want to try and go to a theater that has the souvenir stuff.
We watched it tonight, and both really enjoyed it.
I loved some of the references thrown in, or things that seemed like throw-backs to G1:
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The "spell" phone call, and the 90's modem dial-up sounds. HAHA! And the Hungry Hungry Hippos.
Capper calling Pinkie "Cotton Candy"
When they walked over the bridge and it was destroyed below them (so they fell into the water), so felt like Rescue at Midnight Castle.
And the top of Mt Aris, with the little cage house, felt like Flutter Valley.
Just got back from it. I loved it!
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It was surprisingly intense (in a good way), not only in the "scary bad guy conflicts" but also emotional conflicts. The animation was great,
really beautiful. A lot of the new locations (like the sea pony kingdom) had an epic, Tolkien-esque feel to them. I loved the new characters--Capper, Princess Skystar, and the pirate parrots (especially their leader).
LOVED the songs, especially Tempest's villain song.
The Storm King was less scary than I expected--but Tempest Shadow was way MORE scary than I expected and got so much more screen time. I love this edgelord pony! She kind of reminded me of the Evil Queen from Snow White--angry, but quiet; intense. And you know, I'm glad her horn wasn't magically healed by the staff or one of the princesses at the end. Because really, the problem was never "ohhhh, your horn sucks, gotta get that fixed", it was that she had bad 'friends' back in the day and then closed herself off. (Also, I just like the idea of a unicorn with unfocused, uncontrollable power.) I do wish we'd gotten to see what her cutie mark is. Or does she even have one? Did she never find her place?
Really liked Fluttershy talking with / comforting one of the scary guards near the end, lol.
There's one pony who appears in the beginning and at the end who I think is a homage to Wind Whistler, because she not only has the same colors (like, the SAME shade of blue) but also a similar hairstyle to her MLP & Friends version. But I don't think her cutie mark is ever visible so maybe it's coincidence.
My roommate watched it with me--she is neither a 'brony' nor a collector but she catches the show from time to time--and she liked it too.
Thinking back to the trailers, I think something that stands out about the MLP movie is that it's SINCERE. Sooo many Dreamworks and Sony kids movies are just fart jokes and sassy/snarky animals, set to a modern radio soundtrack. THANK YOU to the makers of the MLP movie for having an original soundtrack and making something genuine instead of stringing together a series of cynical "the guys in marketing said the kids love this joke" moments.
Saw it (not at a theater) early Friday morning. 10/10 they pulled it off. There's been several negative reviews of it by critics but who cares (I don't listen to critics anyway. :sly: ).
The rundown:
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A couple things happened that I expected would, like Fizzypop... I mean Tempest (I like Tempest better :P ) getting betrayed and turning on Storm King. There was unexpected stuff too. I thought Capper was going to sell them out to the Storm King, but it was a sideshow he was going to sell them to.
Just like in the comic, Storm was a bit of a goofball.
Glad they showed how Tempest lost her horn and got the scar.
Skystar is adorable.
I seriously got mad at Twilight for her 2 stunts.
Capper using Spike as a flamethrower, and actually showing Storm's minions burning... :shocked:
I watched it last night! It was enjoyable, and it was really solid movie. I can't think of one part where the plot suffered or anything.
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My only complaint: It was too short! I also really wanted to see more of all of the characters, especially the seaponies. Tempest Shadow was surprisingly scary, with her lightning. Her song was EPIC. All of the songs were fairly top notch. I also really loved the part where Tempest whispers her name is Fizzlepop Berrytwist, and Pinkie gets super excited. I also think the plot went at a relatively good speed, not too fast like a lot of kids shows, and not to slow either.
One thing that bugged me while watching is:
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Why is Tempest taking orders from the Storm King and not the other way around? Tempest is clearly the much more dangerous villain, especially once she has Twilight's magic. The Storm King proves to be a somewhat dimwitted leader that could probably easily be distracted. Shouldn't she also be able to restore her horn with her magic? She was certainly able to use even the stump of her horn to great effect.
To the ones who have seen it, do we see what Tempest's cutiemark looks like? (Is it berries? lol)
There's been several negative reviews of it by critics but who cares (I don't listen to critics anyway. :sly: ).
Eh, in that case I'd actually like to hear what regular movie critics who are not in the fandom or anti-fandom think of it as an animated movie and nothing else.
From what I have heard so far it is mediocre with nice songs and that's already 10 times better than Hasbro's live-action movies.
I think it will be hard to find unbiased reviews of it either way; hardcore fans will love it (because whether it was objectively good or not, it was faithful to the source material, unlike for example live-action Transformers movies) and 'real' critics are going into it with 20+ years of thinking of MLP as "that schmaltzy toy for (ugh) little girls".
I've already seen some reviews that make me go "whaaaa? did we watch the same movie?".
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Like one of them essentially said, "Great for even the youngest kids, no scary elements!" which is not true at all. I mean, I think it's entirely age-appropriate and it's not going to freak kids out the way Optimus Prime DYING in 1986 did, but it definitely had a lot of intense, scary scenes . . . plus some really intense emotional scenes. There were a lot of moments where I was biting my nails. It's PG rating is well-earned.
Another review said "the stakes couldn't be lower" because the film opens with Twilight worrying about the Friendship Festival. Which is true, except then, you know, a villain takes over the kingdom. Did . . . did the reviewer forget about that part?
One review starts out "Imagine eating a giant bag of Skittles, then throwing it all up in a fit of sugar-induced nausea and you’ll have some idea of what it feels like to sit through 'My Little Pony: The Movie.' Shrieky, garish and incessantly perky." It's hard for me to believe this person went in with an open mind.
However, they do go on to say something that I think is true: "The movie version of the long-running TV show 'My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic' is unlikely to win any new converts." I think that's true, and I think it's okay. They do try to make the movie accessible to people who don't already watch the TV show. But you're going to get more out of it if you already know the characters. (Which is natural . . . like watching Return of the Jedi makes more sense / has more impact if you've seen A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back.) I think kids (and not-kids) who DO already know the characters will enjoy it.
No no, the only kids movies allowed now are:
- CGI animated characters in ~the real world~ generating a relentless string of fart jokes, poop jokes, and 'hijinks' alongside a minor celebrity (Neil Patrick Harris, Jason Lee, etc) who is paid enough to put up with it
- smarmy CGI animals (usually) in a totally CGI world who constantly drop culture references and songs, with the same "misfit who doesn't fit in" lesson that Dreamworks and Sony Pictures will never get tired of ever.
- Pixar / Disney
:P
Oh, to answer your question about her cutie mark
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no, we don't see it, sadly!
Finely saw the movie. It's been a long time coming.
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I was so glad that this did not suffer from the TNG movie formula I was dreading (for the most part).
DHX needs to ditch Flash now that they have Toon Boom. While a television series using it won't reach this level of quality, it will still be light years ahead of Flash.
I said it escaped not becoming like the TNG movies for the most part. The part that didn't escape was the sense that they needed to give all of the characters something to do even if it added little. In fact, the Mane 5 minus Twilight were the weakest part of the movie, especially Fluttershy, Rarity, and Applejack who were just there and doing their stereotypical shticks. The Storm King was also in that awful valley of being too silly to be a serious villain (seriously, he invades Equestria to steal their magic because he wants to improve his brand?) but not allowed to just go full on gag villain to have some fun.
Okay, with that out of the way. It was a good movie. I found Tempest a more compelling villain than her boss. The rodent was annoying, but fortunately not mugging the camera has much as I feared he would. However, the headline was Twilight.
Seriously, when Twilight tried to the steal the pearl. I was like, "This isn't Twilight. Twilight's conflicts always come from the fact she's so blindly by the book." Seeing this darker side to her was absolutely refreshing. I doubt we'll see it in the series though. One of the little kids at the theater burst into tears when she erupted at the others.
The PG rating was well deserved. Tempest frying things looked brutal, and the Storm King was (kind of) killed off in the end. And these things were needed in the film. We needed to see how dangerous and brutal Tempest was to understand the stakes of the chase. And the Storm King had to go.
Even the setup worked. It was the standard two part story setup with the royals quickly incapacitated but those petrifying crystals were such a great device for it. We could see them overwhelm the princesses' magic to show they were powerful.
So, yeah, I give a thumbs up to this movie. I hope the experience will help the writers in writing the series. It probably won't, but who knows.[/spoilers]
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Seriously, when Twilight tried to the steal the pearl. I was like, "This isn't Twilight. Twilight's conflicts always come from the fact she's so blindly by the book." Seeing this darker side to her was absolutely refreshing. I doubt we'll see it in the series though. One of the little kids at the theater burst into tears when she erupted at the others.
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That part was so. intense. I loved it. Yeah, when I was reading that review that said "innocent fun, nothing your kids will be worried about!", I thought of that scene. And all the scenes of ponies falling to their almost-doom.
I liked how frazzled Twilight was in this, dwarfed by the enormity of her mission.
That reminds me that the Sony Hack revealed that they wanted the MLP movie to be like Smurfs and Transformers with ponies coming to the real world and all trying to fight a big threat to both worlds (they wanted Celestia and Luna to have a secret evil brother who was more powerful than them because of reasons).
Excluding the whole "more powerful than Celestia/Luna just 'cause" thing, I wouldn't mind if it turned out they had a brother but I say that in a "...Why aren't there any male alicorns (in general)?" way. That is probably the one that will always bother me about the whole Flurry Heart situation. But yeah... good thing Sony didn't get the movie. We don't need another "cartoons come into the real world" movie....unless it's like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but that's a special case.
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Tempest Shadow was way MORE scary than I expected and got so much more screen time. I love this edgelord pony! She kind of reminded me of the Evil Queen from Snow White--angry, but quiet; intense. And you know, I'm glad her horn wasn't magically healed by the staff or one of the princesses at the end. Because really, the problem was never "ohhhh, your horn sucks, gotta get that fixed", it was that she had bad 'friends' back in the day and then closed herself off. (Also, I just like the idea of a unicorn with unfocused, uncontrollable power.) I do wish we'd gotten to see what her cutie mark is. Or does she even have one? Did she never find her place?
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Haha, Egdelord Pony! :lol:
I am also glad that her horn wasn't fixed as well, and even nicer that Twilight told Tempest that she was amazing just the way she is. It's a really nice message, you know? ...And plus, she doesn't even "need" the horn - those battle moves Tempest she has, especially when she gave that guy that brief beatdown during the "Mane 6 are with Capper" segment? Girl is a one-pony army!
I kinda headcanon that her cutie mark is (berries +) fireworks-related, like how the "fireworks" looked when she showed Twilight "what her magic can do" at the end of movie. I feel she did find her place - in Equestria. ;) Really, I sure hope this isn't the last time we see her, or any of the movie characters. I feel some good story potential in them.
Hmmm, I was thinking about some of the comments from reviewers earlier and ...
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I think I get where the guy was coming from who said that there wasn't high stakes. Sure, we see all of the ponies enslaved but not till the end of the movie. I can see how it might have made more of an impact to see just a few shots worth of the ponies being locked up and enslaved right after the mane 6 escape so that the audience can better grasp what is at stake.
I'll go even further and say that ideally they could have even let the mane 6 be split up (GASP!) and allowed half of them to be captured. Higher, more emotional stakes plus fewer characters to concentrate on during the actual adventure. As much as I love Fluttershy and Applejack, they just weren't given anything to do this go around. In fact, it would have been in keeping with the theme to have the enslaved ponies make friends with some of the guards so that some of the guards changed sides at the end.
i saw it!!!!!!!!!!!! heres my gut reactions:
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- i liked it. it was all around pretty cute.
-i really liked the animation, im gonna have a hard time going back to regular flash pony animation style now :rolleyes:
-fluttershy did not do anything! i was so surprised that rainbow dash and pinkie got their own songs and their own "companion" friends, but the other ponies did not.
-i didn't really care that much that applejack wasnt that involved, but even she had more speaking lines than poor little fluttershy.
-tempest didnt get her horn back. i quite liked that. also her name is fizzy pop?! thats so cute. was disappointed that we didn't get to see her cutie mark. maybe she doesn't have one.
-i liked the pirate ship far more than the seapony bit, which is a flip of how i thought it was gonna be.
I was really..... hrmph. i dont know. I didn't like that they were hippogriffs, and now they're seaponies,
but they're really back to hippogriffs now.... where does that leave the seaponies!?
-princess skystar's "hands" really creeped me out. very bad. did not like that. stick to hooves please.
-i felt like not enough was shown about like... the real suffering of the ponies back in canterlot, or um,
the rest of equestria? also....um.. Twilight went on this big rant at queen novo that she "abandoned her people" and "fled underwater" Girl...hate to break it to you..but isn't that literally what you did? you...left your subjects in tempests hooves and didn't do anything to rescue anybody, until you came back at the end and saved everyone. Seemed too hypocritical to me.
- i actually liked spike in this movie. i felt like he actually did things and was meaningful to the plot, and not annoying. except for the *looks at rarity like he doesnt see her every single day* hhh-hi rarity....u///u (BLECH!)
-everyone.is.lesbians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3
-i noticed that they did not miss a single chance to say "sonbird serenande" or whatever her name is.
there is probably something in the contract about having to name drop her __ ammount of times, and it wasn't that subtle.
- im usually over the "bad turned good via friendship" model but i really Really liked tempest so um. its okay .
this time.
-the storm king actually DIED which is cool
-where does he come from....why is he taking eveyrthing over.... who even is he...
-wait where was starlight glimmer again..?
-if twilight spent half as much time doing the things she needed to do instead of running around with her friends singing about doing them, she wouldn't be so stressed and the party would have been in order sooner.
-i was quite shocked at the level of... anger between pinkie and twilight in their big fight. that was a big fight.
they made up in like 5 minutes, but that seemed like a real bad fight.
-i liked tempest's song the best, but i wasnt ... overly impressed with any of the songs. they were all kinda meh.
okay, i can't think of anything else at the moment. ill read over other peoples reviews and get back to you about changed opinions >: )
I saw it this afternoon with my friend and her 13 year old daughter! (My 4 month old stayed home with her daddy) LOVED IT!!! The new animation was amazing! Waaaay better then Flash!! I will definitely be buying the DVD to watch over and over.
Ok, one small question for all of you who have listened to the sound track: is there any tiny little call back to "Call Upon the Seaponies"?
If there isn't, I'd like to go ahead and manage my disappointment now.
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I felt like the song “One Small Thing” with the hippogriffs-turned-seaponies actually really felt a little like “Call Upon The Seaponies” in terms of its visuals. There were several parts where many of the hippogriffs-turned-seaponies were doing background dancing but they were almost identical in colors. Just like in the original special.
Just sayin.
About your question, Sunset
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Musically and in terms of lyrics there's no connection, but there are a couple scenes where the dance is very similar to the RaMC sea pony dance IMO. Including a scene viewed from above, looking down on sea ponies dancing by swimming in circle, similar to that bit at the very end of the Shoo Be Doo song.
Yeah, I saw the movie yesterday.
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I really wanted an actual musical line from the original song but whatever. I'd already accepted that it wasn't going to happen by the time I saw the movie.
But speaking of seaponies... Did anyone else notice that they are never actually called seaponies in the movie? I was actually shocked how quickly the twist about them being the Hippogriffs was revealed. They were just like " yeah, that's us." But it does give me hope that we might still get a different version of seaponies in the show.
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I'm kinda glad they are not the actual seaponies.
They have always looked more like merponies to me, so that leaves the chance to get an actual shoo-bee-doo pony (maybe a mermare from the books?) to appear later somewhere.
I have a question:
- will this movie make sense if you've only seen Season 1 of FiM?
You just need to know a few things, but they are well explained in the first ten minutes of the movie:
-Twilight is the Princess of friendship now, not just a regular gifted unicorn
-There are four princesses as a whole and Twilight is the latest one
What the princesses do is very easy to grasp as well as what Twilight's relationship to them is like.
In fact, most of the other things in the show are glossed over or largely ignored. Like there is Starlight Glimmer, Twilight's own pupil, but she is only seen in the background and does nothing. It doesn't make much sense for the movie (since Starlight has become something like a 7th main pony) but it won't bother anyone who hasn't paid much attention to the show.
The shoutouts are also kept to a minimum. We see Discord as a baloon animal and Muffin appears one time being a failure, but other than that the shoutout humor is actually for parents Spoiler
(didn't expect Meatloaf lyrics; lol).
Yeah, Twilight now is an alicorn and she's the Princess of Friendship. Other than that, you don't really need any knowledge from any specific episodes of the show or whatnot.
The action is pretty on-par with the action in "A Canterlot Wedding" (which I think was the Season 2 finale you mentioned), except a bit more intense.
The pony villain, Tempest Shadow, gets a lot of screentime and is scary (not in a shouty way, though, more in a plotting way.)
Spoiler for FlickaFriend:
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But she does get redeemed at the end and become friends with the other ponies, so you could tell your daughter that in advance if you think Tempest would scare her.
Does anybody else think the Storm King
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was kind of a weird parody of a business man? He was talking about expanding his brand, trademarking slogans and using the ponies to do so. Much like...dududunnn HASBRO. Irony? :lol:
I wish we could see Tempest, Skystar, Capper and the pirates again. I also enjoyed the world expansion a lot. The show really needs to move out of Ponyville.
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Ignoring powerful Starlight and Discord was really weird. I get why they did it but... they couldn't even show them caged or turned to stone? They had time to show them in the background, so... That was kind of an issue to me having watched the previous seasons - but nothing that would ruin the movie for me. I'd take the movie world over the show world.
Does anybody else think the Storm King
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was kind of a weird parody of a business man? He was talking about expanding his brand, trademarking slogans and using the ponies to do so. Much like...dududunnn HASBRO. Irony? :lol:
I wish we could see Tempest, Skystar, Capper and the pirates again. I also enjoyed the world expansion a lot. The show really needs to move out of Ponyville.
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Ignoring powerful Starlight and Discord was really weird. I get why they did it but... they couldn't even show them caged or turned to stone? They had time to show them in the background, so... That was kind of an issue to me having watched the previous seasons - but nothing that would ruin the movie for me. I'd take the movie world over the show world.
Well, if you really really want to get nitpicky
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. Even without Starlight or discord, it really shouldn't have been this easy to take over Equestria. One third of the population has magic with, at minimum, levitation powers and the other third can fly. And surly Tempest didn't have an unlimited numbers of the turn-ponies-to-stone thingies.
I suppose we could just assume that some fighting continued on after the mane6 left.
But eh. I enjoyed it for what it is. And I'm mostly just excited for the new seapony and Hippogriff merch.
Imo, the songs work very well in the movie with all the visuals added.
Just some more thoughts...
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Where the heck did the little honeybadger guy go? He was shown in the credits, so is he just Tempest's buddy now?
There was way too much Pinkie Pie in this movie. I get they want to sell the Main Three but Pinkie had some lines that could have gone to the others and Fluttershy was neglected.
I'm a little sad Queen Novo was such a blah character. I thought she was going to play a bigger role than Capper.
It's been confirmed the film takes place between S7 & S8, which explains why
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A seapony character was revealed for season 8
From what I've read/seen at the artbook so far (it's so nice - I highly recommend it!!), there were things that they wanted to show more of, but took it out because of reasons,
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- they had some neat ideas for some of the worlds/areas the Mane 6 would be in before reaching [insert destination here], like a huge forest and rivers where the Ponies look so small by comparison. Like a travel montage type of thing.
- the Hyppogriffs were supposed to have a much more bigger appearance at the end, such as them showing up during that "final battle", but that was removed.
And somewhat related: Apparently for Capper, he was actually an wealthy aristocrat, living the high life with pride and dignity, before the Storm King came and messed things up. At the end of the paragraph, the book says "Capper's crimes aren't driven by malice. At his core, he feels a deep insecurity at his fall from grace, and believe his appearance dictates his status". Man, I wish they had mentioned this or implied it a bit more during the movie, although I kinda suspected it, going by a few decorations in his house...and the fancy little outfit Rarity makes him at the end of the film haha.
The shoutouts are also kept to a minimum. We see Discord as a baloon animal and Muffin appears one time being a failure, but other than that the shoutout humor is actually for parents Spoiler
(didn't expect Meatloaf lyrics; lol).
The mind boggles.
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I'm a Meat Loaf fan and I....kind of can't think any lyrics that would be relevant to an MLP film.
Can't go to the cinema, so looking forward to a DVD release. In the meantime, I'm gleefully reading all the spoilers I can lay my hands on :)
The shoutouts are also kept to a minimum. We see Discord as a baloon animal and Muffin appears one time being a failure, but other than that the shoutout humor is actually for parents Spoiler
(didn't expect Meatloaf lyrics; lol).
The mind boggles.
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I'm a Meat Loaf fan and I....kind of can't think any lyrics that would be relevant to an MLP film.
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It's a pun on "Objects in the Rear View Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are".
I laughed out loud but nobody else watching with me got it so I felt like a fool. It also has nothing to do with music :lol:
I have a question:
- will this movie make sense if you've only seen Season 1 of FiM?
The shoutouts are also kept to a minimum. We see Discord as a baloon animal and Muffin appears one time being a failure, but other than that the shoutout humor is actually for parents Spoiler
(didn't expect Meatloaf lyrics; lol).
I just saw the movie and have to say I liked it a lot. Great animation and enjoyed the songs!
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I do find it funny that no one seemed to noticed that Muffins tried to save Twilight before Rainbow Dash swooped in and saved the day. Not a fail in my book if you ask me XP
I really enjoyed Tempest, though I feel they could have done better with her background story. I feel it was too similar to Starlight Glimmer's. But I really enjoyed her song. She honestly should have been the villain rather than the storm king, hardly any screen time to get to know him.
I loved the merponies, though their hoof fins threw me off a little lol. Hope we get to see more them in the show though.
Plus Twilight gave me a surprise with her trying to steal the pearl, happy she didn't try to play by the book it was kinda nice to see, as odd as that sounds.
I saw it twice--once at night, once in the day as a matinee. The night one was fun because the theater was almost empty (privacy) and the matinee was fun because I got to hear kids cheering, gasping, and laughing along with the movie. Made me very happy for all the little MLP fans having this magical experience. Some of them were losing their minds during the opening. :)
The only thing I wish was it was longer! I could tell someone on the corporate side had made them make it shorter than originally intended.
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For example, there's a toy of a hippogriff named Stratus Skyranger and he's not even in the movie, like at all. I would loooove to have seen more of the hippogriffs, sure wish they'd left him in! Maybe he'll show up in the series though?
Is it too much to hope for an extended edition on BluRay someday? LOL.
I can always imagine Discord was on vacation in the Phantom Zone or whatever, but Starlight was clearly shown to be at the festival.
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Discord was in it. At the end there's a shot of Vinyl and you can see his head at the bottom right of the screen as part of the blacked out crowd. (Edit: He also appears in the credits) Don't have a screenshot as the 2 places to get screenshots have bans on them (probably until the movie comes out on DVD).
I can always imagine Discord was on vacation in the Phantom Zone or whatever, but Starlight was clearly shown to be at the festival.
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Discord was in it. At the end there's a shot of Vinyl and you can see his head at the bottom right of the screen as part of the blacked out crowd. (Edit: He also appears in the credits) Don't have a screenshot as the 2 places to get screenshots have bans on them (probably until the movie comes out on DVD).
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Plus you can see him during the "roll call" part of the credits, dancing next to Celestia.
And if you also want to count it, the "balloon animal" that Pinkie Pie makes in the beginning on the film was Discord-shaped.
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I didn't see Thorax, so if he appeared it must have been as a short cameo in the background.
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Yikes my BF and I are kinda the on oposite terms right now. We saw the Movie yesterday. I LOVE Tempest Shadow a lot and liked her quite dark appearance. Also found the story of her horn quite sad. But my BF like hates her because she's too edgy and all... I just bought a Tempest Shadow Funko Pop. That'll teach him. XD
I also liked the Storm King. His goofiness really made him fun. I was afraid Grubber would be like the cringe-worthy funny sidekick but he was very likeable as well. :)
I can always imagine Discord was on vacation in the Phantom Zone or whatever, but Starlight was clearly shown to be at the festival.
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Discord was in it. At the end there's a shot of Vinyl and you can see his head at the bottom right of the screen as part of the blacked out crowd. (Edit: He also appears in the credits) Don't have a screenshot as the 2 places to get screenshots have bans on them (probably until the movie comes out on DVD).
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Plus you can see him during the "roll call" part of the credits, dancing next to Celestia.
And if you also want to count it, the "balloon animal" that Pinkie Pie makes in the beginning on the film was Discord-shaped.
Being there at the very end doesn't mean being there when the other stuff took place. That's why I said "I can always imagine Discord was on vacation". And the balloon was just a balloon to me, not the real Discord turning into a balloon... that would have been awkward (the joke I would make here is not Arena friendly :lol:)
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Yikes my BF and I are kinda the on oposite terms right now. We saw the Movie yesterday. I LOVE Tempest Shadow a lot and liked her quite dark appearance. Also found the story of her horn quite sad. But my BF like hates her because she's too edgy and all... I just bought a Tempest Shadow Funko Pop. That'll teach him. XD
I also liked the Storm King. His goofiness really made him fun. I was afraid Grubber would be like the cringe-worthy funny sidekick but he was very likeable as well. :)
Haha, I would say her design is the edgiest part about her because she has that decorative scar. Spoiler
But her backstory was typical FiM stuff, imo.
I saw it with my best friend yesterday. I loved it for what it was. It was so sweet, and it was really cool to see some emotional moments that we don’t really get in the series. I did have a few little nit-picks, though...
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I thought the new characters were really fun to watch! But, there was so little character development that you just jumped in and had to know what their whole story is. I would have loved to hear why Capper was in a position which forced him to sell the ponies. It would have been so much fun to see what the pirates were like before the Storm King. See, the problem I have is that, these characters are SO awesome, that it feels a bit disappointing when you see them come and go.
And that gets me to my complaint about the Storm King. What was his whole story? He wants to create a giant storm. Why? Why does he want so much power? What made him come to Canterlot? I feel like they made it so you have to read all these comics and prequel books tonunderstabd these things, but I don’t WANT to read a bunch of books just to figure out what his story is.
Anyway, the TL;DR version is: these new characters were so fascinating, that it stunk that they had to push all this stuff into 1:44 of screen time.
I really want a spin-off movie about Tempest, and one about the pirate birds. I’m actually going to be legitimately discouraged if they don’t make some kind of movie or special about them.
Also, Songbird Serenade was a disappointment.
I pointed out the issue with no Stratus, and someone in here mentioned that he appears in the books as one of Novo's guards. :)
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He does appear in the movie, actually. In seapony form. You can see him beside the Queen's throne when the Mane 6 arrive, and then he and three other guards surround them, before Skystar jumps in and explains. True he's a very small background figure, but he's definitely in at least two shots.
As a g1 collector, I do not know much about g4 canon (apart from hearing snippets of FiM that my kid watches on tv) so I went to the cinema with an open mind (and an excited, 5 year old daughter!) ;)
My girl loved it and boasted to me that it wasn't scary (Zootropolis is her benchmark scary movie).
Lots of singing -
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Only a limited bit of Sia at the start and then a nice Rainbow song at the end.
I recognised the tune from my Skystar shell during the seapony song sequence.
The other songs didn't grab me so much but, still, not bad for a company without mega Disney resources.
Tempest - I really liked her character! Brooding, calculated, controlled, precise. I have mentioned elsewhere that I find her very feline, she even stalks like a panther. Oh, her perfect eyeliner - gimme!
Storm King:
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Too goofy, playing with the moon/sun/moon was silly enough, but all the chatter... I would have wanted for his character to be more reserved and intimidating.
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I was wondering if it would ever be restored - and part way through the movie I concluded that maybe it shouldn't as it would bring a positive message to a young audience in that it is her *negative character* that needs to be "fixed" and not just her physical looks - so I waited to see what happened at the end, with interest. Her horn still works, albeit with sparkly fireworks *cool*
Oh, Pinkie's reaction at the end, during Tempest's name reveal - :lol:
Anyway, it was an ok movie - coming from someone who doesn't know much about g4.
I would put it in the same class as a Barbie movie - not quite Disney standard ;) but still lots of fun and hugely enjoyed by my kid! :thumb: I know that she will be requesting the DVD...
Apparently, the Hasbro CEO is talking of the possibility of another MLP movie given how well the movie did and the enjoyment of using the new pony models.
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I'm hoping they'll give Applejack and Fluttershy some more time as main characters, they were really thrown aside. :/
I've seen it once on opening day, and I'm going again tonight to see it with a less-involved ponyfriend.
Yay I've seen it! :frolic:
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For the most part I thought it was absolutely awesome. I am now completely Songbird Serenade obsessed :P Pinkie is incredible, Tempest is just the dog's danglies. However I do feel like too much has been shoehorned in. Some of it just didn't make sense. But the shout-outs were great. Hungry Hungry Hippos!!! :lol: Praying so hard that the DVD comes out in the UK before Xmas. I'm really looking forward to a sequel.
I heard from someone online that Hasbro was disappointed with the theater ticket sales of the movie (although the person who posted that didn't back it up with any source), so hey, anyone who picks up more than one copy of the dvd will be encouraging the idea of future MLP movies, I'm sure. :)
Huh, as far as I know the movie made its money back and then some.
But nowadays a movie is considered a flop if it doesn't meet Marvel superhero blockbuster standards, so eh :lol:
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We know they have a second movie planned already via the DHX leaks
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Late to the party, but I ended up seeing the movie in theatres back in October. I wasn't intending to, but my friend said she wanted to see it so I tagged along. I'm not that interested in the newer seasons, but I thought the movie was pretty fun. I really liked the new characters a lot, I can't decide if I like Capper, the pirates, or Skystar/Novo more, they all were likeable in my opinion. Also, Really loved the animation style.
My one nitpick... (in spoiler just in case people were waiting for the DVD/bluray release)
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Was when Twilight called Pinkie a useless friend (or something to that effect). It just felt really out of place to me. I mean, there was build up with how Twi was on guard and anti new friends throughout the whole adventure, while the rest of the party were being their usual 'everybody is a friend' selves (so why didn't they grow horns/wings yet??? They are better at friendship than the Princess of Friendship after all). Even still, blowing up on Pinkie the way she did just seemed out of character.
Also on that note, I kind of wish they let Applejack and/or Fluttershy have that argument with Twilight instead of Pinkie so they had purpose in the movie instead of being background characters.
I just finished the movie and now I can read this read without being spoiled.
My thoughts:
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I really enjoyed the movie and the animation looked a lot better than the usual FIM episode.
I'm glad I read the comic prequel before seeing the movie as it helped to have some backstory on Capper and the bird pirates. My suspicions about Capper trying to trick the ponies from that line in "I'm the Friend That You Need" "Tell Verko...I have something that will magically erase all my debt" turned out to be correct. Even with that I ended up really liking Capper and how realized he was wrong and then tried to help the ponies afterwards by telling Tempest they went another way.
I loved the seaponies and wish we had seen more of them. I was really surprised Twilight tried to steal the pearl from them and even more surprised that Twilight called Pinkie a useless friend especially after everything they've gone through to save Equestria together.
I also loved Tempest and her character development. I was a little surprised that her horn wasn't fixed by either Twilight or Luna or Celestia.
A few other things that surprised me
Why didn't Twilight think of making the air bubbles unless it was because they were pulled under so quickly that by the time she realized they were drowning she didn't have time to make them?
When Twilight is brought back to Canterlot in the cage to drain her magic the ponies pulling the cart are muzzled. Is this the first time we've seen muzzled used in FIM?
Ponyfan
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When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Twilight's attitude towards her friends came out of nowhere, but watching it a second time . . . it has a build-up that is present and surprisingly subtle for a kid's movie.
Basically, as they are running scared--her friends keep messing things up by acting like they're still in Equestria and not realizing how grim and dangerous the situation is.
1. Pinkie Pie totally blows their cover in the mishmash town (sorry, I don't remember its name) where they meet Capper. Twilight tells her that they need to be more subtle, but not in an angry fashion. Because Pinkie is her friend.
2. All the ponies completely fall for Capper's literal song and dance routine ( ;) ) except Twilight, who is eyeing him suspiciously the whole way through the song. Still, she goes along with the rest of the group. Because they are her friends.
3. They are on the pirate ship, they've allied themselves with the pirates, and things are finally looking up. Then Rainbow Dash gets over-excited and performs a Sonic Rainboom that leads the bad guys RIGHT TO THEM.
4. Twilight also ends up literally saving everyone (well except the pegasi ;) ) after they fall out of the airship, by using a plan she concocted ON HER OWN to build a makeshift balloon, using only HER OWN magic.
So from Twilight's perspective--she loves her friends, but on this escapade her friends have continually messed up and endangered them, whereas a plan Twilight enacted by herself (the balloon) saved them. So I think it's understandable that by the time she meets the sea ponies she's like, "Okay, fine, my friends can go off and dance and be happy. I am going to Make The Hard Choices and Get Things Done."
I mean, it was still a bad decision, but I can understand how she got there, lol.
The argument with Pinkie Pie was exacerbated by Twilight having all these pent-up emotions about the previous debacles, due to biting her tongue earlier.
Of course this is traumatic for Pinkie Pie, because from her perspective Twilight is suddenly lying, stealing, and shouting hurtful things, plus Twilight has (ironically) completely screwed up their chances at getting the pearl. I gotta be honest, I actually did shed some tears during that scene, it was really tense and really well done.
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Now that I've thought about it I can see how Twilight felt she had no other choice at that point but to steal the pearl to try to save Equestria. Queen Novo had told Twilight point blank that she wouldn't allow her to take and use it to save Equestria and Twilight saw the pearl as her only hope.
Twilight also had to be upset that everyone else completely trusted Capper despite her warnings which turned out to be true. At first I wondered why Twilight was so desperate to escape the pirate ship but then I realized that since they had just been betrayed by Capper ,Twilight didn't really know if she could trust the pirates or that they wouldn't give them to Tempest/survive the crash of the ship.
Although I wasn’t expecting the argument scene I agree that it was really well done.
I was also a little surprised that Songbird Serenade didn't have a bigger role considering all of the merch of her.
I'm going to download the other songs that I'm missing from the movie soundtrack (Only the ones that were in the movie) "Time to Be Awesome" and "Rainbow" I found I liked "Rainbow a lot better once I saw how it's used in the movie. I still love Tempest 's "Open Up Your Eyes"
Ponyfan
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When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Twilight's attitude towards her friends came out of nowhere, but watching it a second time . . . it has a build-up that is present and surprisingly subtle for a kid's movie.
Basically, as they are running scared--her friends keep messing things up by acting like they're still in Equestria and not realizing how grim and dangerous the situation is.
1. Pinkie Pie totally blows their cover in the mishmash town (sorry, I don't remember its name) where they meet Capper. Twilight tells her that they need to be more subtle, but not in an angry fashion. Because Pinkie is her friend.
2. All the ponies completely fall for Capper's literal song and dance routine ( ;) ) except Twilight, who is eyeing him suspiciously the whole way through the song. Still, she goes along with the rest of the group. Because they are her friends.
3. They are on the pirate ship, they've allied themselves with the pirates, and things are finally looking up. Then Rainbow Dash gets over-excited and performs a Sonic Rainboom that leads the bad guys RIGHT TO THEM.
4. Twilight also ends up literally saving everyone (well except the pegasi ;) ) after they fall out of the airship, by using a plan she concocted ON HER OWN to build a makeshift balloon, using only HER OWN magic.
So from Twilight's perspective--she loves her friends, but on this escapade her friends have continually messed up and endangered them, whereas a plan Twilight enacted by herself (the balloon) saved them. So I think it's understandable that by the time she meets the sea ponies she's like, "Okay, fine, my friends can go off and dance and be happy. I am going to Make The Hard Choices and Get Things Done."
I mean, it was still a bad decision, but I can understand how she got there, lol.
The argument with Pinkie Pie was exacerbated by Twilight having all these pent-up emotions about the previous debacles, due to biting her tongue earlier.
Of course this is traumatic for Pinkie Pie, because from her perspective Twilight is suddenly lying, stealing, and shouting hurtful things, plus Twilight has (ironically) completely screwed up their chances at getting the pearl. I gotta be honest, I actually did shed some tears during that scene, it was really tense and really well done.
I agree that it made sense for Twilight. It also nicely led into Tempest telling Twilight that she is better off alone. Without the previous incidents Twilight wouldn't have been able to fully understand Tempest's POV.
I really do think critics have been too harsh on this movie, both in and outside fandom.
Great points Zapper. :) After reading LadyMoondancer’s posts and thinking about it, it makes sense. I really enjoyed the movie and also think some people are being too critical on minor things like.
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The cages the ponies are trapped in in Canterlot. It’s made clear that Twilight can’t use magic to escape her cage so it makes sense that all the cages would not be able to be opened by magic (only being able to be opened by the Storm King and Tempest ) and the Storm King could easily make the cages strong enough that the Earth ponies couldn’t use their strength to escape
I read the prequel book yesterday.
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It shows the Storm King’s creatures attack on the Hippogriff city on Mount Aris. Now I understand why there's A Guardian of Harmony
Stratus Skyranger toy.
Ponyfan
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Is there a sequel to the movie in the comics? I'd like to think that Capper stayed in Equestria since Tempest "helped" him escape Klugetown by taking him prisoner and then forcing him on to the pirate ship before she knocked it out of the sky.
Thanks for the pics of the Target Blu Ray version. I really like the alternate sleeve/cover.
Ponyfan
Another thing I just realized
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I know it's coincidence but Skystar creating the air bubbles to save Twilight and her friends from drowning is similar to the seaponies rescuing Megan and Applejack. :)
According to the prequel book, Tempest under orders from the Storm King, tried to steal the Queen's pearl by tricking her guard and claiming to be a lost, weary traveler seeking shelter. When Queen Novo discovered Tempest taking the pearl, the battle for it lead to the destruction of the Hippogriff city.
It's understandable that Queen Novo would be suspicious of Twilight and her friends who are also claiming they need help and when she finally begins to trust them Twilight messes up everything by trying to take the Pearl.
Ponyfan
I'm just overall disappointed at the content that could have - or was almost - in the film, between the prequel book and the official art book. I mean, don't get me wrong, I liked the movie, but some of the scrapped content could have added more depth to the film overall.
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From the official art book:
"The prologue for this film went through many different versions. There was one idea where we see the Storm King overthrow the Arimaspi King; this would show the scope of his might. Another idea was to show how the Storm King acquired the staff he uses to summon the super storm. In that version, which was storyboarded, he steals it with the help of Tempest from an aged Scorpan, who is a character from the original series and brother of Tirek. These concepts were abandoned for a more elegant, beautiful prologue that would help introduce Equestria to those who aren't as familiar with the world." - Rebecca Dart, Art Director
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That's really interesting. It would have been great to see G4 Scorpan again and see his reaction when he found out his staff was being used to ruin Equestria.
I wish there was a little more background on Capper and the hippogriffs in the movie. I read the prequel comic so I understand why Capper was trying to sell the ponies to settle his debt with Verko but if you don't have the background information you might wonder why Capper is so eager to sell them.
It would have been great to see a flashback of Tempest trying to steal the pearl/the destruction of the hippogriff city.