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Title: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: lonewolf on June 26, 2019, 05:56:07 AM
As you might know, this is the last year for the biggest brony convention, and so they're going all out for it. Their final guest announcement is Bonnie. The 4th time she's appeared at one of these cons. Lauren will be there too (the 2nd time they have been at the same con).

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Bronycon goes to where it all began with Bonnie Zacherle

(BALTIMORE) - It’s a bittersweet day here at BronyCon HQ as we celebrate the eighth anniversary of our first event and are announcing our final special agent for our final mission this August. Knowing the weight this announcement carries we wanted to bring in someone important to My Little Pony fans from all over the world. In fact, without this special agent’s creativity and vision, none of the missions in our long history would have ever been possible. On this special day, BronyCon is honored to announce Bonnie Zacherle as our final Guest of Honor for 2019!

This will be Zacherle’s first ever visit to BronyCon. She is best known as the original creator of My Little Pony, and its precursor, My Pretty Pony, while working at Hasbro in the early 1980s. The properties were inspired by Zacherle’s childhood memories of horses and horse riding. Her career also includes working on a redesign of Mr. Potato Head, as well as working on the Nerfuls toy line for Parker Brothers. After that, she opened a studio with her Hasbro colleague Liz Knight in a converted barn in Massachusetts which focused on freelance work, design, and consultation services.

Zacherle was honored in 2013 at the first annual My Little Pony Fair by being the first inductee into the My Little Pony Hall of Fame. Currently, Zacherle lives in Virginia where she teaches art to children.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Zapper on June 26, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
These bronies better treat her with respect.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 26, 2019, 08:06:47 PM
These bronies better treat her with respect.

Let's hope.
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Post by: Shileah on June 27, 2019, 04:27:10 AM
I'm out of the loop and curious, why is it the last one? Because G4 is coming to an end?
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on June 27, 2019, 04:45:35 AM
These bronies better treat her with respect.

That was my very first thought....
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: lonewolf on June 27, 2019, 07:45:50 AM
She had a good reception at the 4 cons she's gone to, including the 2015 EquestriaLA where she met Lauren for the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vule8K9c-kU


I'm out of the loop and curious, why is it the last one? Because G4 is coming to an end?

That's pretty much it. Due to the community starting to decline. Same story for some other cons too. I'm disappointed I never got a chance to go to it.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: gemini_pony on June 28, 2019, 12:44:36 AM
I wish I could go. I am so sad I could never attend.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Shileah on June 28, 2019, 01:07:46 AM
Oh that's sad. But who knows, maybe G5 can breathe new life into it!
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Taffeta on June 28, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
Oh that's sad. But who knows, maybe G5 can breathe new life into it!

It's interesting that Bonnie is going there, since there's been so much resistance from quarters of the brony community to anything not G4.

I don't really understand stopping a convention because the series is ending. If that happened in other pony areas there'd never have been a ponycon or a pony fair, as they all BEGAN after MLP ended. I guess it's a different kind of community, though.

I think it's progress to have a G1 person at a G4 thing as a star guest.

I really want to see things integrate more but in my view it has to begin with accepting that other generations exist besides G4. In a way, bronycon could probably continue to exist if it did that - but if it isn't interested in that kind of angle, it's unlikely G5 will make a difference.

I am rather expecting the hardcore bronies to react violently against G5. Even more so if it turns out it's not a new concept but a rehash of their G4 characters.

It might be badly worded and it might mean she was honoured at the (convention that is the original) first pony fair (in 2013), but it sounds like the pony fair began in 2013 from that, which it didn't. It's older even than UK ponycon, which has been going something like 14 or 15 years this year. (There was the palooza before that but I guess that doesn't count).
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: brightberry on June 28, 2019, 01:18:22 PM
I'm sure G4 will still be appreciated at Pony Fair.  It's hard for me to feel sad knowing that it really isn't going anywhere.  No more than Star Trek went anywhere.  We definitely aren't going to run out of mane six toys anytime soon.   :P  We'll probably have 10 year, 25 year, and 50 year anniversaries for them too.  The community may be smaller, but thousands of people distilled to a few hundreds is still a lot of people.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: OleGrayMane on June 28, 2019, 06:00:17 PM
I don't really understand stopping a convention because the series is ending. If that happened in other pony areas there'd never have been a ponycon or a pony fair, as they all BEGAN after MLP ended.

The reason is attendance numbers and venue. The Baltimore Convention Center is just huge, and attendance peaked at 10,011 in 2015, their third year in Baltimore (first year we went) and has been steadily declining since. Last year's attendance was down to 5,465, and on Saturday night by around 10㏘ I felt like I was rattling around in the place in comparison to previous years. Sunday morning was the same.

At one point, someone suggested to me that BronyCon would be dissolved to break any contracts they have with the Baltimore Convention Center, because they knew they couldn't make the numbers to cover the cost. This person suggested they might reform elsewhere under a different name.

Even if that is the case, many of the US cons have ended or are ending. The personal investment in organizing these must be taxing, and many of the staff are hitting midlife with lots of personal responsibilities, even if they are still whippersnappers compared to me! After eight to ten years, some of them are, I am sure, exhausted.

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I really want to see things integrate more but in my view it has to begin with accepting that other generations exist besides G4. In a way, bronycon could probably continue to exist if it did that - but if it isn't interested in that kind of angle, it's unlikely G5 will make a difference.

Things are somewhat integrated (I'm here, my son is a G2 enthusiast, my wife is a compulsive pony thrifter) and will continue to integrate, especially for those who are interested in products and the history of the franchise.

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I am rather expecting the hardcore bronies to react violently against G5. Even more so if it turns out it's not a new concept but a rehash of their G4 characters.

I hate to tell you, but many that I would have considered "hardcore" are long gone, having lost interest in the show around 2016 or 2017, and few that I knew of collected mass produced items; they tended towards fan made items. Some who "react violently" and are still around aren't going to change regardless if G4 was in season 17 or G6 was on the horizon. TBH, I don't know why they hang around when anything and everything makes them unhappy.

But I'm WAY off topic now...

I'll tell you what will make me happy: heading to the vendor hall and searching vendors with G1 through 3 items. That and after HOURS of standing in line, having Ms. Zacherle sign our "Art of Equestria" where we collect our autographs.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on June 28, 2019, 06:29:08 PM
Totally just veering this off topic even further, but I'm pretty sure I heard someone else starting a pony convention in Baltimore or at least nearby for future years.
Anyway, I didn't get to have Bonnie sign anything when I went to Pony Fair, so this will be a great chance for me to get something! I don't remember there being very many G1/G3 vendors last year at BC, maybe one or two stalls (including that one stall that tries to sell G1 AJ for $30 *rolls eyes*), so I'm hoping this might draw some more older gen sellers.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: gemini_pony on June 29, 2019, 02:12:26 AM
I'm sure G4 will still be appreciated at Pony Fair.  It's hard for me to feel sad knowing that it really isn't going anywhere.  No more than Star Trek went anywhere.  We definitely aren't going to run out of mane six toys anytime soon.   :P  We'll probably have 10 year, 25 year, and 50 year anniversaries for them too.  The community may be smaller, but thousands of people distilled to a few hundreds is still a lot of people.

Too bad I won't ever be able to go to that because of location. I wish they would do the fair in SoCal
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Pinkie21 on June 29, 2019, 08:25:35 AM
These bronies better treat her with respect.
Agreed.  I’m not holding out much hope though.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Taffeta on June 29, 2019, 10:18:51 AM
I don't really understand stopping a convention because the series is ending. If that happened in other pony areas there'd never have been a ponycon or a pony fair, as they all BEGAN after MLP ended.

The reason is attendance numbers and venue. The Baltimore Convention Center is just huge, and attendance peaked at 10,011 in 2015, their third year in Baltimore (first year we went) and has been steadily declining since. Last year's attendance was down to 5,465, and on Saturday night by around 10㏘ I felt like I was rattling around in the place in comparison to previous years. Sunday morning was the same.

At one point, someone suggested to me that BronyCon would be dissolved to break any contracts they have with the Baltimore Convention Center, because they knew they couldn't make the numbers to cover the cost. This person suggested they might reform elsewhere under a different name.

That argument kind of makes sense, especially if there's an association with a particular location. I mean, ponyfair has had to rebrand and stuff to start up something separate from Hasbro because of the long association that kind of bombed with Hascon over in the US.

On the other hand, size doesn't make a community or a convention. I mean, G4 has been at different levels re numbers from from the older community, so you'd expect big numbers at a con - but it can still happen without tens of thousands of people going. I guess organising a big deal thing like that is stressful = the con teams for ponycon change most years, and I don't know with the fair now but I know there's been drama and changes and stuff over the years there as well. My point is that it's not a reason for the thing to end. If it becomes smaller and is rebranded as something else then that's totally different. But I don't really understand cancelling something because the series is no longer going to air.

That said, it's not uncommon in the current day and age for fandoms to be like that. It happens with anime series, it happens with other shows and things. It's more of a 'now' generation than a 'past stuff' generation and I suppose if fans move on to a new medium there's not really a place for that.

I really hope you are right about the hardcore people, but I remain healthily sceptical. I still think there'll be a violent backlash against G5 most strongly from fans of G5. This isn't me being judgemental about G4 fans as it happens - and I may be wrong, because MLP has had so many reboots now it's kind of a normal thing. But when G2 happened, it was strongly rejected by a proportion of G1 fans. We were all around that age demographic the bulk of bronies are now, and it got nasty at times. We figured it out, but it was that sense for some people that what they loved about MLP had been entirely ripped away and replaced with something they hated.

Because collectors of G1-3 (and I know there are already G4 fans here, but we're a long long way from integrated) are now more used to reboot and reinvents, I think it'll get less hostility. People may dislike it but it's when it's your generation - the one you attach to - that ends and is reinvented into something else - that it may have the biggest impact.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: OleGrayMane on June 30, 2019, 02:50:51 PM
On the other hand, size doesn't make a community or a convention.

Decidedly not. Bigger ≠ better, but there's a relationship to profit, or at least breaking even.

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That said, it's not uncommon in the current day and age for fandoms to be like that. It happens with anime series, it happens with other shows and things. It's more of a 'now' generation than a 'past stuff' generation and I suppose if fans move on to a new medium there's not really a place for that.

Now, I won't be around to see it unless I end up as a Futurama-like head in a jar, but I've got an inkling that some of the folk who fell in (and later out) of love with G4 will be back. One day there will be a revival, or they'll see something at a sale or on TV (or what passes for it in the future), and it will all come rolling back. I hope there's a solid multigenerational fandom waiting for them, and with a bit of age, or dare I say wisdom, they'll drop some of their prejudices. If not, what was the loss?  :biggrin:

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I really hope you are right about the hardcore people, but I remain healthily sceptical.

Can't fault you there!

PS - I am not a Pollyanna, honest. One of the things I've got out of pony is hope for a better future, and I'll be damned if my intrinsic personality is gonna screw that up!
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Nemesis on June 30, 2019, 04:59:57 PM
PS - I am not a Pollyanna, honest.

Depending on your definition of “Pollyanna” in slang (there are a few ways to take it), I’d rather be a Pollyanna any day than one of the sad legions of whiners and pessimists that plague the internet. XD Society could use a good dose of Pollyanna-ism, as far as I’m concerned. For example... the current climate of the Star Wars community. :P I’d waaay rather be irrepressibly positive and cheerful about my fandom than spend my every waking moment stressed out about it and tearing down every little aspect I don’t like!
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Taffeta on June 30, 2019, 05:46:18 PM
PS - I am not a Pollyanna, honest.

Depending on your definition of “Pollyanna” in slang (there are a few ways to take it), I’d rather be a Pollyanna any day than one of the sad legions of whiners and pessimists that plague the internet. XD Society could use a good dose of Pollyanna-ism, as far as I’m concerned. For example... the current climate of the Star Wars community. :P I’d waaay rather be irrepressibly positive and cheerful about my fandom than spend my every waking moment stressed out about it and tearing down every little aspect I don’t like!

This is also a good point :)

And I don't think it's a bad thing to have hope or faith in your fandom.

G4 isn't my fandom, so I don't really have a bigger wish for its future in terms of its separation from wider MLP stuff. But I do genuinely hope for a time when there's no separation - at least, people can collect or like what they want, but the whole hostility is gone. That's my hope as a PONY fan.

But I do really want the bronyesque terms to vanish from pony collecting. Things like cutie mark which only applies to G3 and G4 really annoy me when applied to G1, and the word brony has negative connitations. Plus I hate being called one, having always been part of a fandom that existed back in the middle 90s. Back then we were ponypeople. I stick with that.

So yeah. If we can lose the "G4 is the evolution of everything before it" videos on youtube and the G4-centric vocabulary for older gens, and the wider barriers come down, great.

But I think a lot of people experienced the other side of the bronydom and it's hard to shake that image I suppose as well.

I also think there will be a later G4 revival. We are already seeing it in the last few years with G3. But I think it will more be the kids of G4 that spearhead it, rather than necessarily the adult bronies of now who aren't in it for the long haul. I think as an adult fan you either stick with it or you pass through. As a kid you can leave things behind and then come back to them when you're older. I expect it for Monster High and for FIM in the future.

For the record I love that we now have a healthy number of specialised G3 collectors who grew up with G3 here as well. This community is old - maybe it won't be that long before we have the same happening for G4. I mean, it has been going almost 10 years now...

I don't think you need a time machine. I'm 37 now and I got back into pony collecting early - I never totally left it I suppose for more than a year as a kid - but I didn't get online till I was 15 or 16. At that time there were a lot of people who had 'outgrown' MLP and then come back to it in their late teens and early 20s. Even though it wasn't socially cool then. The same thing is happening with G3 in about the same age band I think. For the kids of G4 to do the same, it isn't unrealistic to think it could happen in the next five to ten years.

Of course, the future of MLP and what the community is then is another matter.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Nemesis on June 30, 2019, 06:55:12 PM
But I do genuinely hope for a time when there's no separation - at least, people can collect or like what they want, but the whole hostility is gone. That's my hope as a PONY fan.

This, this, THIS!

When G4 came along, I was like “Oh, cool! They’re making another MLP series!”. That’s all it was to me, and that’s still all it is to me. I have enjoyed it very much: as a series, a toyline, and a franchise... much like I have enjoyed all of the previous MLP generations. The reception G4 has received from a broader fanbase, the brony phenomenon, the conventions, and all of the general buzz surrounding G4 in particular... is a blip on the radar to me. I love MLP—all of it. I have loved it for as long as I can remember, and I continue to love it and get excited about new series and toys. I’m glad that G4 was so popular, and that many people enjoyed it. There are toxic elements in any large fandom, but I’ve seen a whole lot of positive people coming from the G4 crowd as well. That said, fanbases as a whole have never defined or dictated my feelings towards any particular franchise. :)
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Zapper on July 01, 2019, 08:13:54 AM
Society could use a good dose of Pollyanna-ism, as far as I’m concerned. For example... the current climate of the Star Wars community. :P I’d waaay rather be irrepressibly positive and cheerful about my fandom than spend my every waking moment stressed out about it and tearing down every little aspect I don’t like!

I love to tear down every little aspect I don't like about my fandoms but damn, ain't that the truth about Star Wars. SW is the go-to antifandom right now. It's sad. I say as a pessimist and SW fan who isn't touching its fandom with a ten foot pole right now :lol:
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Nemesis on July 01, 2019, 08:22:24 AM
Society could use a good dose of Pollyanna-ism, as far as I’m concerned. For example... the current climate of the Star Wars community. :P I’d waaay rather be irrepressibly positive and cheerful about my fandom than spend my every waking moment stressed out about it and tearing down every little aspect I don’t like!

SW is the go-to antifandom right now. It's sad. I say as a pessimist and SW fan who isn't touching its fandom with a ten foot pole right now :lol:

It makes me long for the simpler, more innocent time when there was just the prequels vs. originals divide. :P
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Zapper on July 01, 2019, 08:45:25 AM
Society could use a good dose of Pollyanna-ism, as far as I’m concerned. For example... the current climate of the Star Wars community. :P I’d waaay rather be irrepressibly positive and cheerful about my fandom than spend my every waking moment stressed out about it and tearing down every little aspect I don’t like!

SW is the go-to antifandom right now. It's sad. I say as a pessimist and SW fan who isn't touching its fandom with a ten foot pole right now :lol:

It makes me long for the simpler, more innocent time when there was just the prequels vs. originals divide. :P

I don't want to derail too much and turn this into Star Wars Talk but same. And that divide was already extreme. Back then my dad was like "haha I remember when the main problem was the third one and the Ewoks". It's like the bigger a franchsie gets the more differences will occur and you end up with many cliques within said fandom.

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It has happened to MLP and it could happen again. I guess by the end of the day each fan needs to find a niche and stick with a "crew".
For MLP I just wish we could do away with the brony thing. I mean it. Just have everyone be an MLP fan and not make up names for people who only like a certain generation. People could still stick to their crew but it wouldn't be too much of an Us VS Them.

I know that Bronycons always had some other gens trickle in but speaking for myself, I never felt comfortable associating with the entire brony thing so I never felt "connected" even tho I like G4.
It wasn't like Star Wars where at least every fan loves something about the franchise in itself and respects the original trilogy somehow. With G4 it became very much "new MLP is the only valid MLP" and the cons that originated fom that always mirrored the new MLP and its brand new fandom.
Honestly, the entire fandom vibe was different from all gens that came before. Not just because there were more people but because a lot of them wanted to separate from Gen 1-3.


Long story short, each fan can have their clique but integrate the MLP generations, please.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Taffeta on July 01, 2019, 09:02:46 AM


Long story short, each fan can have their clique but integrate the MLP generations, please.

Yup.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Nemesis on July 01, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
The most hilarious thing is that FiM actually addressed the divides and infighting in fandoms... XD The entire episode “Stranger than Fanfiction” is about Rainbow Dash arguing with a pony named Quibble Pants (voiced by Patton Oswalt, lol) about whether the original or sequel “Daring Do” books are better. In the end, they both realize that they enjoy different things about the books, and THAT’S OKAY. They can still get along, be friends, and not put down the things that the other enjoys.

Most relevant/almost fourth-wall breaking friendship lesson EVER.
Title: Re: Bonnie heading to Bronycon
Post by: Taffeta on July 01, 2019, 02:30:09 PM
Quibble Pants

That is an unfortunate name to wish on any pony. Not to mention I hate to think what the symbol might be.

What kind of mean parent wished that on their pony child? XD

In seriousness a lot of fandoms could take that lesson :/

This one dealt with it in a sense with the G2s and the arguments then, but I think that now there are more outlets for comment than back in the late 1990s, it's a bigger problem in a lot of fandoms.


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