The MLP Arena
Pony Talk => Off Topic => Topic started by: Zapper on February 05, 2020, 10:00:34 AM
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So I assume we all know what nostalgia is and a lot of us probably love MLP so much because there is a nostalgia factor to it.
But have some of you experienced a form of "anti-nostalgia"? Is there something from your past - a movie, toy, activity, fandom, etc. - you used to enjoy but upon revisiting it you just don't get what you ever liked about it? Or do you feel stupid/silly/other negative feelings when confronted with it?
I can't think of something right now because most things I unironically enjoyed turned into ironic enjoyment. Such as crazy 80s cartoons, cheesy action movies and such. I realized that stuff was silly and now I am having fun with that silliness. Same goes for certain things I did as a teenager that I am no longer interested in but I can look back and smile (or laugh about myself).
Does anti-nostalgia even exist? We seem to be very influenced by nostalgia in the toy colletor world :biggrin:
What do you think?
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Sure. There were several shows that weren't fun to revisit.
Pound Puppies
Eek the Cat
Goof Troop
Ren and Stimpy
Rugrats
Full House
Hey Dude
Step by Step
Some games that just made me go eh:
Mouse Trap
Operation (I forgot how much I hated that noise)
Guess Who?
Toywise, I'm not hardcore into stuffed toys anymore and I had a boattload as a kid.
I was dinosaur crazy, but I don't think I could track down my old ones and the new ones are mostly awesome looking, but I dislike the price and the bloody pieces that have little handles on them.
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There are some video games I'm mad about wasting my time on as a kid since they are so awful. I could have been doing something far better than trying to play them. Mostly NES titles. Super Pitfall and Clash at Demonhead for example. Ugh.
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The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is Smurfs. I used to love them but now I can’t even sit through an episode.
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Over the summer when I got back into Care Bears, I started off watching the movies. They held up really well and I still like them as an adult.
So the cartoon should be okay, right? I used to like the cartoon, and the movies were good. The cartoon ended up being... eh? Very, very boring. Beastly can be funny at times and there are some good episodes, like the ones where they meet the pandas, but overall it's pretty boring. Maybe I'm watching the wrong episodes?
That said, I think MLP had the better show, but Care Bears had the better movies. I guess with MLP, there was always something completely new in every episode, and the stories tended to be high-stakes. With Care Bears, it was always the same thing with No Heart and Beastly, sometimes Shrieky. They end up feeling kinda samey.
I haven't watched the MLP movie in a while, but I have no nostalgia towards it; I didn't watch it for the first time until I was 18. But I remember it having a whole lot of nothing, and the songs weren't that great (especially compared to the Care Bears movies, which always have great music!). I DID grow up watching The End of Flutter Valley though, which wasn't so fun to rewatch as an adult. Not as boring as the Care Bears cartoon, but I think it might have a lot of similar issues to the MLP movie. Very long with not a lot going on, and "eh" songs. Nostalgic but not very good when you compare it to episodes like Tambelon and The Magic Coins, or even Mish Mash Melee.
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Yes, actually. Some movies and cartoons especially. A few off the top of my head that I have revisited recently with this effect include Gummi Bears, Darkwing Duck, Batman: The Animated Series, Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen, and The Page Master movie. @ Ragamuffin, I feel the same way about the MLP G1 cartoons, other than MLPTales. They are more boring than anything. I have the Care Bear series but have not had a chance to watch them yet. I have not really been able to sit through episodes of the G1 cartoon as an adult. I do still like the MLP Movie and Care Bears movies, especially the first one. Those I know I watched as a kid, and still love them.
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For some reason, most sitcoms generate this “anti-nostalgia” feeling in me.
Almost all cartoons, movies, games, and toys I liked as a kid make me SUPER nostalgic... Sitcoms I grew up with (except for Seinfeld, which I have always enjoyed) just make me feel nauseous. Maybe because I didn’t really want to watch them as a kid, but it was just what my parents had on? Mostly ones that are focused around families, like Full House, Step by Step, Home Improvement, Everybody Loves Raymond, etc., and also the real “oldies” (50s/60s/70s) that my parents watched reruns of.
In total fairness, I also hate new sitcoms. But ones I remember from childhood (other than Seinfeld) dredge up a special kind of “ick” feeling.
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Yes, actually. Some movies and cartoons especially. A few off the top of my head that I have revisited recently with this effect include Gummi Bears, Darkwing Duck, Batman: The Animated Series, Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen, and The Page Master movie. @ Ragamuffin, I feel the same way about the MLP G1 cartoons, other than MLPTales. They are more boring than anything. I have the Care Bear series but have not had a chance to watch them yet. I have not really been able to sit through episodes of the G1 cartoon as an adult. I do still like the MLP Movie and Care Bears movies, especially the first one. Those I know I watched as a kid, and still love them.
I like the G1 cartoons a decent bit, actually. I watched every episode as an adult and they held my attention more than FiM's later seasons. XD I wouldn't call them masterpieces but they're nice. I can't name a whole lot of bad ones, just boring ones, like The End of Flutter Valley, and the Ghost of Paradise Estate. The Care Bears cartoon feels like the same thing over and over.
With MLP n Friends, some parts may not have been exciting, but I stuck around to watch the whole thing. With Care Bears (and late FiM), I would click off the video and have it be background noise a couple times because there wasn't anything going on.
Tales is a nice one. I can sit through that and watch it just fine. :) In the later episodes of Care Bears, the ones with Champ, Cheer, Bright Heart and Treat Heart, they go for a more slice-of-life-y style...? It's comparable to Tales, where they downsize the cast and modernize it. But Tales was more interesting, even though the premise is similar. I guess because Tales has a lot more locations that all look different and more characters, while late Care Bears is mostly clouds and Care-a-Lot, and you only get four characters (and maybe Hugs and Tugs). Granted Care Bears usually has a villain in each episode but it's only ever Beastly and/or Shrieky, rarely anyone new, and they pull the same stunts over and over, and they're defeated in the same way over and over...
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Hmm, good question. This might be because the main game feels a bit stripped now but I couldn't get back into Webkinz. There's also a smattering of DS games I can't play again, but I think that was just because I had so few games growing up.
Oh, and Five Nights at Freddy's. I went back to revisit it and was just...disappointed. It's boring. Only a few years, but still, I put a lot of time into that game!
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Over the summer when I got back into Care Bears, I started off watching the movies. They held up really well and I still like them as an adult.
So the cartoon should be okay, right? I used to like the cartoon, and the movies were good. The cartoon ended up being... eh? Very, very boring.
I feel the same way about the CB G1 show vs. the first two movies but I still feel super nostalgic about the themesong and CB in general so I don't count it.
I am super in love with the new show, Unlock the Magic. It is so stinkin cute and it casts the Bears as an explorer team. It's wholesome without talking down to small kids. I remember hating Cheer Bear in the original show but she is great in UtM. In fact, the new show might have brought back sooo much nostalgia it can easily wipe away the old show in my brain and replace it XD
Too bad it's hard to track down. It honestly deserves all the praise early FiM used to get.
Post Merge: February 05, 2020, 12:09:27 PM
Yes, actually. Some movies and cartoons especially. A few off the top of my head that I have revisited recently with this effect include Gummi Bears, Darkwing Duck, Batman: The Animated Series
All of these hold up so well for me :lol: Funny how that works. Especially Darkwing Duck is so hilarious to me, even more so as an adult. That show parodied so many superhero things and was rife with puns.
Post Merge: February 05, 2020, 12:12:37 PM
In total fairness, I also hate new sitcoms. But ones I remember from childhood (other than Seinfeld) dredge up a special kind of “ick” feeling.
That might be it ;)
I guess they were something you didn't like to begin with and your parents putting them on just added to that.
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Oh yeah-
Have any of you guys gone back and watched the original THundercats? Or Heman? The dialogue is almost hysterically bad. Of course, it was written for 3-5 year olds so I guess they get a pass.
I think the worst was when I forced my wife to watch "Goonies" which was a childhood favorite. I never realized until I watched it as an adult, that they basically just run around screaming the ENTIRE MOVIE. I mean, it has it's cute moments but definitely not the same magic that it once had...
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Operation (I forgot how much I hated that noise)
Same. The noise scared me as a kid, and so I started crying. We only played operation once as a family, and that was traumatic. The game still freaks me out on a deep level to this day.
As for anti nostalgia? I’d have to say Instagram. Mistakes were made, and it just wasn’t pleasant. It was when I was a rabid g4 mlp fan, and I was quite vocal about it. As much as I love my early fandom days, I do not miss this aspect of it at all. Glad I grew up, and became better.
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I still enjoy the original Thundercats. And that's an over-exaggeration of Goonies. They did a lot of adventuring, trap solving and thief dodging.
Post Merge: February 05, 2020, 02:26:52 PM
Operation (I forgot how much I hated that noise)
Same. The noise scared me as a kid, and so I started crying. We only played operation once as a family, and that was traumatic. The game still freaks me out on a deep level to this day.
As for anti nostalgia? I’d have to say Instagram. Mistakes were made, and it just wasn’t pleasant. It was when I was a rabid g4 mlp fan, and I was quite vocal about it. As much as I love my early fandom days, I do not miss this aspect of it at all. Glad I grew up, and became better.
Yeah, its just an obnoxious and painful sound. And some of those little parts slid into the side.
I also hated that one game where you hafta match up blocks before the timer stopped and they'd fly out. But I can't remember the name.
Looked it up, its called Perfection.
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I never liked this board game.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6MX2hxmfx_Q
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Folks, this isn't a thread about stuff you hated as a child :lol:
Quite the opposite.
Have any of you guys gone back and watched the original THundercats? Or Heman? The dialogue is almost hysterically bad. Of course, it was written for 3-5 year olds so I guess they get a pass.
Bwahaha, these are the 80s cartoons I came to love ironically. I recently had a He-Man/Transformers/Bravestarr/She-Ra party with two friends (one of which had never seen G1 Transformers) and we laughed so much we cried. It was great. Especially the swearing! YOU BOOB! FOOL! And the animation budget. And Swifty's smoker voice! Ha, I could go on.
As a kid I really loved Thundercats. Now I'm like "how are there adults who take this seriously?"
I was active in the Transformers fandom, I saw how G1 is treated almost religiously when actually it was rather silly and borderline crazy. We watched that episode where a hotel heiress (she is named Astoria Carlton-Ritz, lmao!!!) falls in love with an ugly plane Transformer and he smacks her around and stuff :lol: A+ content!
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I never liked this board game.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6MX2hxmfx_Q
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I forgot about that!
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Folks, this isn't a thread about stuff you hated as a child :lol:
Quite the opposite.
Have any of you guys gone back and watched the original THundercats? Or Heman? The dialogue is almost hysterically bad. Of course, it was written for 3-5 year olds so I guess they get a pass.
Bwahaha, these are the 80s cartoons I came to love ironically. I recently had a He-Man/Transformers/Bravestarr/She-Ra party with two friends (one of which had never seen G1 Transformers) and we laughed so much we cried. It was great. Especially the swearing! YOU BOOB! FOOL! And the animation budget. And Swifty's smoker voice! Ha, I could go on.
As a kid I really loved Thundercats. Now I'm like "how are there adults who take this seriously?"
I was active in the Transformers fandom, I saw how G1 is treated almost religiously when actually it was rather silly and borderline crazy. We watched that episode where a hotel heiress (she is named Astoria Carlton-Ritz, lmao!!!) falls in love with an ugly plane Transformer and he smacks her around and stuff :lol: A+ content!
Yeah Heman is at least funny and kinda gay which I love- but Thundercats- wow it's kinda moronic. It was a bit of a shock to me as I remember LOOOOOVING that show as a 4 year old. I guess i wasn't very bright, haha
And yeah the cartoons in the 1980s had some MESSED up content. I don't know how many of you ever watched JEM but the Misfits (or at least the main one) is a legit homicidal maniac- they actually trap one of the Hologram gals in a volcano in one episode- before it explodes ??? Anyway... now kids aren't even allowed to have bad guys as far as I can tell... somewhere in between would be nice for the kids I think...
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I don't know how many of you ever watched JEM but the Misfits (or at least the main one) is a legit homicidal maniac- they actually trap one of the Hologram gals in a volcano in one episode- before it explodes ??? Anyway... now kids aren't even allowed to have bad guys as far as I can tell... somewhere in between would be nice for the kids I think...
Feel free to post about Jem in my cartoon thread. I really love Jem because it was doing something fresh back then. And the creator, afaik, really tried to push the envelope when it came to characters. As much as she could given the restraints of a doll line in the 80s.
I think it was freaking amazing how dangerous Pizzazz was. She could have collaborated with Cobra or the Decepticons :lol: She wasn't one of those "I'll ruin your outfit" meangirls. She was that kind of girl who'd stop at nothing. She'd drop an anvil on you for trying to book her gig.
And then by the end of the show they all were redeemed out of nowhere, lol!
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I love He-Man so much as a kid but man, it has such stilted and oft-repeated animation. (The reason, as I understand it, was that they kept their animation studio in America rather than moving to cheaper South Korea with everyone else, so I do at least appreciate the intent.)
The Dungeons & Dragons cartoon did not age well, it has a real "70s cartoon" vibe to its dialogue and scripts, even though it was made in the 80s. I looked up an episode that fans like to describe as "the darkest ever!!" and the dark part was . . . after Venger (the main bad guy) almost kills the protagonists' pet baby unicorn, one of kids thinks they should kill Venger. Which COULD be a dark episode, except! It's all done in that pseudo-70s style where the protagonists are not allowed to outright state that they want to kill him, aren't allowed to say the word "death" or "kill" . . . Yeah, it ended up being really mild and I was disappointed.
As a kid I begged to see MLP the Movie (1986 one) and, man . . . watching it now, that is one boring movie. The Care Bears one is way better.
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I love Jem but as an adult you have to wonder how the Misfits never went to jail for all of times they tried to kill/get rid of the holograms. Eric does mention in one episode that he has a good lawyer and that’s how he got out of jail.
The original Care Bears specials (Land Without Feelings, Battle the Freeze Machine) and the 2nd Care Bear movie still hold up for me as well as the original Care Bears series, the one that came before the series with No Heart.
I used to love Adventures from the Book of Virtues on PBS. It didn’t come on very often though. Sone episodes were finally released on DVD several years ago and I bought a DVD. I still like it but it lost dobevof the appeal it had. Same with Wishbone. I used to love Wishbone, bought a DVD and don’t think I’ve watched a single episode on the DVD.
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I'm not sure why I ever liked Barbie dolls, they're about the only toys that don't make me feel nostalgic. Then again, most of my Barbie doll games involved making them witches, vampires, werewolves etc, so once Monster High arrived I didn't need them anymore. (If they had had Monster High when I was little, I probably would never have bothered with Barbie.)
I can't think of a specific example, but sometimes I reread books that I loved as a child and can't imagine what I saw in them. Oh wait, I can think of some examples: C. S. Lewis and Philip Pullman don't really do it for me the way they did when I was younger, and Jacqueline Wilson really gives me the anti-nostalgia feeling. Possibly because I used to read her books obsessively at a time in my life when I wasn't very happy, so now whenever I see her books it takes me back to that. That's pretty much the definition of anti-nostalgia, I think. Nostalgia makes you think of times when you were happy and carefree and playing with ponies/beanies/whatever, anti-nostalgia makes you think of times that aren't so fun to remember.
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If I understand right, something you liked when you were little-- but now you can't get into it even if you want to?
certain anime/movies I loved as a little kid. But now... the themes are just really not my thing (and they weren't back then, but it was the first things I was exposed to. Isn't everything cool when you are 4 and your Uncle is like "Watch these cool things from Japan!!!).
Iczer specifically. Ugh, gore and robots... Bubblegum Crisis, Godzilla... Robotech. (i'm sure there's a bunch more)
But the weird thing is, I love the characters and the style so much. I just can't sit down and watch it *at all*.
It creates sadness inside in a way, like I want to enjoy it like I used to... but I can't.
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In terms of the G1 animation, I disregarded it mostly until FIM happened, at which point I became grateful that it wasn't FIM and thus now I feel more fondly towards it (aside the 4 eps I played to death and which my mother is still traumatised by this many years on). xD The comics I still have the same affection for as I did as a kid though.
Other shows - the original Thundercats. Loved it as a kid, cannot stand its moralising as an adult. I still find HeMan (the original) and SheRa watchable (except the voices in SheRa!).
I have a few DVDs of stuff I liked as a kid, and some of them, like Farthing Wood, I still have so much love for. Others, like the Demon Headmaster, I still love the original story but the sequels are meh to me now. And I guess the same for The Girl from Tomorrow, which I was literally obsessed with as an eight year old - I can watch the first season but the second kind of palls on me halfway through.
I sometimes look up things on youtube that I remember as a kid and actually some of them are funnier now I'm an adult (like Jimbo, Bertha) because of all the jokes added in to amuse the adults that as a kid you wouldn't have seen.
I don't really have nostalgia for toy lines from when I was a kid, though I have nostalgia for certain individual toys I had (and still have, those I didn't care for have mostly gone). Confused why I wanted the crawling baby doll as a kid because I hated dolls - I think it was the fascination that she moved...?
I guess my idea of anti-nostalgia is when they take something that was good in the old days and trample all over it, like they did with the Jem movie.
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Not pony related, but Sharkboy and Lavagirl. I saw it in cinema as a kid and loved it, got the dvd. As a teenager I watched it again with my boyfriend and oh my god, it's an absolute train wreck. Not magical or anything.
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Oh, I'm glad you mentioned She-Ra. I loved it as a kid. Started watching the new She-Ra (Netflix) and enjoyed it, so I wanted to revisit the original.
Man oh man, are the voices annoying / cringy in the original She-Ra. And Catra just making rando cat sounds all the time . . . :lol: For me the worst was Madame Razz, the minute she opened her mouth I was like "oh no. No thank you."
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I'm not a fan of some of she-ra's voice acting either.
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Yes, actually. Some movies and cartoons especially. A few off the top of my head that I have revisited recently with this effect include Gummi Bears, Darkwing Duck, Batman: The Animated Series, Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen, and The Page Master movie. @ Ragamuffin, I feel the same way about the MLP G1 cartoons, other than MLPTales. They are more boring than anything. I have the Care Bear series but have not had a chance to watch them yet. I have not really been able to sit through episodes of the G1 cartoon as an adult. I do still like the MLP Movie and Care Bears movies, especially the first one. Those I know I watched as a kid, and still love them.
I like the G1 cartoons a decent bit, actually. I watched every episode as an adult and they held my attention more than FiM's later seasons. XD I wouldn't call them masterpieces but they're nice. I can't name a whole lot of bad ones, just boring ones, like The End of Flutter Valley, and the Ghost of Paradise Estate. The Care Bears cartoon feels like the same thing over and over.
With MLP n Friends, some parts may not have been exciting, but I stuck around to watch the whole thing. With Care Bears (and late FiM), I would click off the video and have it be background noise a couple times because there wasn't anything going on.
I have literally tried to watch the G1 boxed set I have a dozen times and just cannot get through the first few episodes. Maybe I need to skip the first few and just start somewhere in the middle because I honestly can say I have never made it that far because the first few bore me to tears. I make it through the specials but I cannot get past Ghost of PE. I see you listed that one as boring, so maybe I will skip that one on to the next lol.
Yes, actually. Some movies and cartoons especially. A few off the top of my head that I have revisited recently with this effect include Gummi Bears, Darkwing Duck, Batman: The Animated Series
All of these hold up so well for me :lol: Funny how that works. Especially Darkwing Duck is so hilarious to me, even more so as an adult. That show parodied so many superhero things and was rife with puns.
To be fair, I once again could not get through the first episode of DWD. So, maybe I just need to push on. I used to love it as a kid but now I find DW's voice grating and annoying. I forgot that Launchpad is also in this show. He's always a side kick with everyone lol.
I still enjoy the original Thundercats. And that's an over-exaggeration of Goonies. They did a lot of adventuring, trap solving and thief dodging.
I have not watched ThunderCat's recently but another I liked as a kid but only had one episode on tape from my brothers. Might have to look into it again. The Goonies are still a cult classic and epitome of 80s movie kitsch in our family. It is quoted often.
He-Man's dialogue is pretty bad and Battle Cat's alter ego is just pathetic. So is He-Man's Prince Adam(?). Suuuch a dunce.
I also hated that one game where you hafta match up blocks before the timer stopped and they'd fly out. But I can't remember the name.
Looked it up, its called Perfection.
Perfection, every type A child's nightmare lol.
I was active in the Transformers fandom, I saw how G1 is treated almost religiously when actually it was rather silly and borderline crazy. We watched that episode where a hotel heiress (she is named Astoria Carlton-Ritz, lmao!!!) falls in love with an ugly plane Transformer and he smacks her around and stuff :lol: A+ content!
Astoria Carlton-Ritz?!? Hysterical!
I don't know how many of you ever watched JEM but the Misfits (or at least the main one) is a legit homicidal maniac- they actually trap one of the Hologram gals in a volcano in one episode- before it explodes ??? Anyway... now kids aren't even allowed to have bad guys as far as I can tell... somewhere in between would be nice for the kids I think...
Feel free to post about Jem in my cartoon thread. I really love Jem because it was doing something fresh back then. And the creator, afaik, really tried to push the envelope when it came to characters. As much as she could given the restraints of a doll line in the 80s.
I think it was freaking amazing how dangerous Pizzazz was. She could have collaborated with Cobra or the Decepticons :lol: She wasn't one of those "I'll ruin your outfit" meangirls. She was that kind of girl who'd stop at nothing. She'd drop an anvil on you for trying to book her gig.
And then by the end of the show they all were redeemed out of nowhere, lol!
I actually watched Jem for the first time as an adult. And I loved it! I was very surprised but I binged on it thoroughly during nursing school. I would totally watch it again. Never much into the dolls though. Thought they looked rather man-ish.
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Nostalgia makes you think of times when you were happy and carefree and playing with ponies/beanies/whatever, anti-nostalgia makes you think of times that aren't so fun to remember.
That's a pretty good explanation and way of looking at it.
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I've got one, though I'm sure no one here knows it. XD
When I was about 15, I was a huge fan of a Dutch band called Skik. However, I went way too far with it, I was basically a hysterical groupie, my mental health wasn't the best at that age. :P Because of that I absolutely DREAD it when I hear them on the radio, because I am so ashamed of my crazy behaviour back then. :lookround:
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I don’t think I’ve ever experienced anti-nostalgia. I’ve always preferred media from my childhood to stuff today. I guess I might be a little embarrassed by my obsession with boy bands in the 90’s, but otherwise I like everything from my childhood a lot more than stuff of today.
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Oh, how about food and candy? I used to love Dots, you know, those pastel colored dots of sugar on paper. They were my absolute favorite as a kid. Now they're too sweet for me and the paper always comes off with them. Gross.
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Oh, how about food and candy?
I used to like spinach and oatmeal/hot cereal but I don't like them as much as an adult, if it counts. :lookround: Spinach and oatmeal separately, not together! :lol:
I still like oatmeal in like, cookies and stuff, oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are the best! But as a breakfast item, I don't like the texture...
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Oh, how about food and candy? I used to love Dots, you know, those pastel colored dots of sugar on paper. They were my absolute favorite as a kid. Now they're too sweet for me and the paper always comes off with them. Gross.
yessss. (not too sweet for me-- but the paper. nah uh)
Now and Laters. I don't mind the taste, but I'm horrified to put that them my mouth. Or Little Hugs (drinks), squeeze its, or that zebra fruit stripe bubble gum. OH! And anything little debbie snacks (I can tolerate half of it, and don't mind it, but then I'm over it).
And like, Surge, but since I can barely tolerate half a can of pop in general, I don't think I'd be able to drink that stuff... but I was obsessed with it. O_o Apparently you can buy it again? I'm so tempted to make a road trip now to test this theory...
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Omg Surge. I too was obsessed. I even went to the rallies, lol. They did bring it back but I haven't seen it in my area. I probably wouldn't like it now.
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Bubble gum. I chewed Wrigleys Juicy Fruit, various bbg balls and yipes stripes. Now I barely touch the stuff
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Oh, how about food and candy?
Oh, good one! Circus Peanuts candy, those orange, spongy, peanut-shaped candies that are always in those $1 candy bags. Loved them as a kid. Tried them as an adult and I couldn’t even swallow it. It was so gross compared to what I remembered. Peeps are another one even though I don’t hate them. I am just not as fond of them as I once was. That Stripes gum I remember not being that great and very short lived as far as the flavor lasting. Surge was a big deal when I was in elementary school even though I don’t remember it being that dissimilar from Mountain Dew? My husband bought a can to try again but I am pretty sure it’s still in the fridge and that he bought it last year or so. My brother’s traveling basketball team was sponsored by Surge so that was on their jerseys.
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Oh, yes! These things!
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They look like marshmallows, but they're not. They are hard and powdery. I was crazy about them as a child, but now I think they're disgusting. >_< They also give me a massive headache now!
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I don't think food counts unless you get a bad feeling eating it, associating something negative with it. Bad taste is different because as we age our tastes can change naturally for no reason.
I have a nostalgic food that is a certain kind of red bonbon. I like the taste in general but I get a comfy feeling eating it because my grandma used to give them to me.
Anti-nostalgia food would probably be something you ate while you were having a bad time? Not something that you sort of grew out of. For instance, I hated gingerbread as a kid but now I love it. No reason, I just developped a taste for malt. I also love malt and root beer now.
As a kid I loved to eat Milka chocolate but now it gives me a throat ache because they use something I can't stand to sweeten it. Nothing out of the ordinary. Kids in general eat a lot of sweet stuff and avoid bitter.
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I have an anti-nostalgic feeling when I see 90s fashion trends (and maybe early 2000s? I'm not sure what to call it) making a comeback. It all reminds me of an awkward period in my life, lol. Mom jeans, scrunchies, sparkly eyeshadow, and midriffs everywhere. Maybe I'd be less bitter if I could pull these styles off better, heh.
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I have an anti-nostalgic feeling when I see 90s fashion trends (and maybe early 2000s? I'm not sure what to call it) making a comeback. It all reminds me of an awkward period in my life, lol. Mom jeans, scrunchies, sparkly eyeshadow, and midriffs everywhere. Maybe I'd be less bitter if I could pull these styles off better, heh.
I'm just glad bell bottoms aren't back like they were in the 00s. Looking at old photos of myself in bell bottoms is like "why did I do that?!"
I looked like a time travelling hippie. I have little nostalgia for fashion for some reason, maybe because it tends to repeat itself. Some trends are ugly to me and others are not.
Right now I am happy we can get pants that cover part of the belly. These bell bottoms I used to wear were also low-rise so sitting down was a struggle. There were so many exposed buttcracks back in the day :lol:
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I don't know how many of you ever watched JEM but the Misfits (or at least the main one) is a legit homicidal maniac- they actually trap one of the Hologram gals in a volcano in one episode- before it explodes ??? Anyway... now kids aren't even allowed to have bad guys as far as I can tell... somewhere in between would be nice for the kids I think...
I missed this before, but I have to go back to it because it's not true. The Misfits have nothing to do with the volcano. It's entirely on Zipper, who is operating on Eric's orders, and only Eric's orders. The Misfits actively save Kimber from being murdered on stage in Morvania, so there's a very clear distinction to Misfits doing violent things for the sake of getting ahead and the Misfits actively intending to kill someone. The Misfits =/= Eric, Techrat, or Zipper.
In fact I think that Christy Marx said something back when about Zipper being replaced by Techrat because his actions were just too much for the audiences/parents. (Mind you same parents allegedly complained because Stormer wore fishnets, go figure).
By the same token of violent and dangerous actions, there's the moment Jerrica crashed Pizzazz's hangglider (attempted murder is justified revenge for graffiti?) and tried to crash her car in the Indy 500 using a mini hologram (attempted murder is justified to win a race?). Those are things that Jerrica did directly, yet people somehow think the Misfits are worse because someone connected to someone connected to them did something awful.
This is a pet bugbear of mine, because a lot of the things Jem/Jerrica does throughout the Jem series are not really morally superior to most of the things the Misfits do throughout the series either. They're human beings struggling against each other in a pretty catfight kind of a way, but because the audience are told Jem is the hero, people just ignore when she does literally dangerous, deceitful or evil things - which happens often.
I've always felt that I can understand where the Misfits stand in the equation, because they're cast as bad guys, thus their bad acts are explained, but occasionally their fight to show either vulnerability or a level of morality beyond their brief makes them relatable and human characters. Whereas Jem is meant to be the hero, yet her actions often cut corners to get ahead, and she doesn't act with what she preaches. I find her a hypocrite, thus I can't stand her. I like all the holograms, I just think Jem (and Jerrica, but mostly Jem) is disgusting.
While talking bad stuff, it should bring me to the Stingers, who were psychological villains on a completely different scale to the Misfits and frankly, IMO, that made them worse because their 'bad' was so much more subtle. That and the fact the second season of Jem opened up a lot more detail about the Misfits and aspects of their lives which made them more relateable (Pizzazz's mother, Jetta's homelife, Roxy's illiteracy, Stormer learning to stand up for herself, etc) whereas then the Stingers came in and trashed all of that with basic fraud and chauvenism (?!).
In any case, on the subject of Jem and the kind of stuff the show included, I think the prime example is the runaway train in the Rock & Roll Express episode. Earlier in the episode Raya stopped the train to let the Misfits on board, using the emergency cord. Yet when the train goes out of control, Rio - who has been left behind at the station...has this whole action sequence where he steals (!) a bike, races after the train, clambers dashingly and bravely onto the observation car, where the entire band of grown women are standing and gasps out heroically...
"Pull the emergency cord."
At which point one of them does.
So apparently even though one of them already did it earlier in the episode, these five grown women need a man to come tell them how to stop the train.
Cringe.
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I'll be honest and say I never cared much for the Jem cartoon even as a kid. I didn't hate it either and occasionally there would be a storyline I'd find interesting. But the crazy helplessness was annoying. If that many super dangerous "accidents" happened to me that regularly, I'd never go out again and certainly never go skiing, rafting or mountain climbing. But, it was one of my sister's favorite cartoons so it was either take turns on shows or no TV at all.
I do feel nostalgia when I see it though and I remember it being a better show.
Another anti-nostalgia I have now is white chocolate. It's sickeningly sweet to me now but back then I loved it until I tried it with ice cream. It tasted like wax and was a bad experience.
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I tried watching Peewee Herman again a few years ago when it became available on Netflix and I was like 'ehh no' Loved it as a toddler/preschool age kid. Now I think I'm in the same boat my mom was in then. There aren't many shows I've outgrown but that is definitely one of them. I also used to love all the Peanuts specials. Also a few years back I finally admitted to myself that I'm just not a fan anymore. The Peanuts cartoons are just too dry and boring to me.
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I don't know how many of you ever watched JEM but the Misfits (or at least the main one) is a legit homicidal maniac- they actually trap one of the Hologram gals in a volcano in one episode- before it explodes ??? Anyway... now kids aren't even allowed to have bad guys as far as I can tell... somewhere in between would be nice for the kids I think...
I missed this before, but I have to go back to it because it's not true. The Misfits have nothing to do with the volcano. It's entirely on Zipper, who is operating on Eric's orders, and only Eric's orders. The Misfits actively save Kimber from being murdered on stage in Morvania, so there's a very clear distinction to Misfits doing violent things for the sake of getting ahead and the Misfits actively intending to kill someone. The Misfits =/= Eric, Techrat, or Zipper.
In fact I think that Christy Marx said something back when about Zipper being replaced by Techrat because his actions were just too much for the audiences/parents. (Mind you same parents allegedly complained because Stormer wore fishnets, go figure).
By the same token of violent and dangerous actions, there's the moment Jerrica crashed Pizzazz's hangglider (attempted murder is justified revenge for graffiti?) and tried to crash her car in the Indy 500 using a mini hologram (attempted murder is justified to win a race?). Those are things that Jerrica did directly, yet people somehow think the Misfits are worse because someone connected to someone connected to them did something awful.
This is a pet bugbear of mine, because a lot of the things Jem/Jerrica does throughout the Jem series are not really morally superior to most of the things the Misfits do throughout the series either. They're human beings struggling against each other in a pretty catfight kind of a way, but because the audience are told Jem is the hero, people just ignore when she does literally dangerous, deceitful or evil things - which happens often.
I've always felt that I can understand where the Misfits stand in the equation, because they're cast as bad guys, thus their bad acts are explained, but occasionally their fight to show either vulnerability or a level of morality beyond their brief makes them relatable and human characters. Whereas Jem is meant to be the hero, yet her actions often cut corners to get ahead, and she doesn't act with what she preaches. I find her a hypocrite, thus I can't stand her. I like all the holograms, I just think Jem (and Jerrica, but mostly Jem) is disgusting.
While talking bad stuff, it should bring me to the Stingers, who were psychological villains on a completely different scale to the Misfits and frankly, IMO, that made them worse because their 'bad' was so much more subtle. That and the fact the second season of Jem opened up a lot more detail about the Misfits and aspects of their lives which made them more relateable (Pizzazz's mother, Jetta's homelife, Roxy's illiteracy, Stormer learning to stand up for herself, etc) whereas then the Stingers came in and trashed all of that with basic fraud and chauvenism (?!).
In any case, on the subject of Jem and the kind of stuff the show included, I think the prime example is the runaway train in the Rock & Roll Express episode. Earlier in the episode Raya stopped the train to let the Misfits on board, using the emergency cord. Yet when the train goes out of control, Rio - who has been left behind at the station...has this whole action sequence where he steals (!) a bike, races after the train, clambers dashingly and bravely onto the observation car, where the entire band of grown women are standing and gasps out heroically...
"Pull the emergency cord."
At which point one of them does.
So apparently even though one of them already did it earlier in the episode, these five grown women need a man to come tell them how to stop the train.
Cringe.
I actually DON'T put Jem in the "anti-nostalgia" category- I was just giving the example as an example of violent cartoons from the 1980s that would never happen today - I apologize for unfairly maligning the misfits :biggrin:
I don't have the episodes memorized (and only a vague recollection of them anyway)- but I am sure Pizazz did all kinds of crazy homicidal things. Didn't she chase Jerrica around with a tractor? (Or maybe Jem) or try to run her off of a cliff ? Granted I have only a very vague idea of the episodes 40 years later and have only seen one or two since then so I will certainly admit I am not an expert and that Jem and the Holograms could have been just as reactionary and dangerous as the Misfits- I just don't recall!
It was still a show I liked and surprisingly- I watched an episode or two on Netflix a few years ago and the show is still very watchable (although I still hated RIo as much as ever)
Anyway good for you for standing up for the Misfits- I hope you know some more dolls are coming out? (Grossly overpriced yes but also fabulously gorgeous and incredibly detailed)
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I don't have the episodes memorized (and only a vague recollection of them anyway)- but I am sure Pizazz did all kinds of crazy homicidal things. Didn't she chase Jerrica around with a tractor? (Or maybe Jem) or try to run her off of a cliff ?
I remember Roxy running a digger crazily around the future Starlight mansion.
I'm sorry, I went rather into default mode because I've seen so many people over the years try and use the volcano scene as a rationale to prove the Misfits are evil, when it's nothing to do with them (literally). At the same time they're pretending like it's fine that Jem's there crashing gliders, stealing from museums, and so on because she's the 'heroine'. It's hypocrisy and I just hate it.
You can't justify someone doing bad things just because they're the heroine and the show is named after her :P. As a kid I can see people might miss it, but there are so many things that should make an adult viewing feel uncomfortable vis a vis the overall morality of a heroine who is encouraging her boyfriend to two time her with herself.
On the subject of violence that would be censored now, maybe we should also be talking about Rio's anger management issues and the poor pot plant he assaulted. I also remember Stormer's brother Craig putting a microphone (?) cable around Eric's neck at one point.
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I don't have the episodes memorized (and only a vague recollection of them anyway)- but I am sure Pizazz did all kinds of crazy homicidal things. Didn't she chase Jerrica around with a tractor? (Or maybe Jem) or try to run her off of a cliff ?
I remember Roxy running a digger crazily around the future Starlight mansion.
I'm sorry, I went rather into default mode because I've seen so many people over the years try and use the volcano scene as a rationale to prove the Misfits are evil, when it's nothing to do with them (literally). At the same time they're pretending like it's fine that Jem's there crashing gliders, stealing from museums, and so on because she's the 'heroine'. It's hypocrisy and I just hate it.
You can't justify someone doing bad things just because they're the heroine and the show is named after her :P. As a kid I can see people might miss it, but there are so many things that should make an adult viewing feel uncomfortable vis a vis the overall morality of a heroine who is encouraging her boyfriend to two time her with herself.
On the subject of violence that would be censored now, maybe we should also be talking about Rio's anger management issues and the poor pot plant he assaulted. I also remember Stormer's brother Craig putting a microphone (?) cable around Eric's neck at one point.
It really struck me watching as an adult in the early episodes that Rio doesn't initially want to be Jem's boyfriend because he's loyal to Jerrica. Whenever he protests, Jem convinces him "Jerrica won't mind" and eventually he is dating Jerrica and Jem at the same time.
Ponyfan
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I don't have the episodes memorized (and only a vague recollection of them anyway)- but I am sure Pizazz did all kinds of crazy homicidal things. Didn't she chase Jerrica around with a tractor? (Or maybe Jem) or try to run her off of a cliff ?
I remember Roxy running a digger crazily around the future Starlight mansion.
I'm sorry, I went rather into default mode because I've seen so many people over the years try and use the volcano scene as a rationale to prove the Misfits are evil, when it's nothing to do with them (literally). At the same time they're pretending like it's fine that Jem's there crashing gliders, stealing from museums, and so on because she's the 'heroine'. It's hypocrisy and I just hate it.
You can't justify someone doing bad things just because they're the heroine and the show is named after her :P. As a kid I can see people might miss it, but there are so many things that should make an adult viewing feel uncomfortable vis a vis the overall morality of a heroine who is encouraging her boyfriend to two time her with herself.
On the subject of violence that would be censored now, maybe we should also be talking about Rio's anger management issues and the poor pot plant he assaulted. I also remember Stormer's brother Craig putting a microphone (?) cable around Eric's neck at one point.
I always thought Rio was an idiot and never liked him- I do remember him kicking and breaking a potted plant - he was mad at Jem or Jerrica or something... ?
Even as a kid (okay tween) I found it problematic that Jerrica never trusted Rio enough to tell him her secret- I mean that went on for YEARS - and ALL the other holograms knew (and a few others right?) I guess she just wasn't that serious about him! :lol: And maybe I can see why- how stupid must he have been to not be able to determine they were teh same person ? I Mean COME ON MAN. Didn't Jem and Jerrica kiss the same? Didn't they look a LOT alike???
Plot issues and Rio's anger aside, the show was pretty entertaining and the music was (and is) surprisingly good!!!
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For fear of taking this OT this will genuinely be my last post on the Jem subject, but there was also that ep where she created a third identity to get some space from the Jem Jerrica problems, only to have Rio go after that identity as well...
Back on main topic.
Books.
Last summer I reread some of the school story Enid Blyton books I'd read as a kid. They were a ton shorter than I remembered them being. But the reason I bring them up in this thread is because apparently in more recent prints of one of these stories, a scene where a girl is slapped gets changed into a 'shove'.
Sigh.
Hindsight censorship fail.
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I loved watching GI Joe, Transformers and Jem back in the day. A few years back when we had Netflix I watched them all a few times and just couldn't get into them again. So very sad.
As for toys I have shyed away from pound puppies and purries I just don't want or need 'em anymore. Watched the reboot cartoon, no go.
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Does anyone remember the Super Mario Brothers Super Show that had the live action segments and the animated Mario cartoons? I bought a DVD of some of the episodes and they were so boring to me as adult. I still love Mario games but the animated cartoons didn't hold up for me.
Ponyfan
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On the topic of Mario... Mario. His games.
Like, I love Mario, I liked Odyssey, I'm always playing Mario Kart, but I don't think I have any nostalgic feelings towards the games. I feel cozy whenever I play Yoshi's Island, Rayman, the Zoo Tycoons, Roller Coaster Tycoon 3, The Sims 2, Nintendogs, and Animal Crossing Wild World, or if I listen to their soundtracks... I don't really feel anything towards Mario. Mario's good, but not nostalgic, for some reason. The only Mario song that makes me go "aww" is the credits theme for Mario 64.
Rayman might have been my first game ever, but Mario is what really got me into gaming. I spent a lot of time playing Mario 64. Yet when I watch people play Mario 64 on Twitch or Youtube, I don't get any warm fuzzies. It's just a nice game that I liked, nothing more than that...
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For fear of taking this OT this will genuinely be my last post on the Jem subject, but there was also that ep where she created a third identity to get some space from the Jem Jerrica problems, only to have Rio go after that identity as well...
Back on main topic....
OMG :lol: :lol: :lol:
Okay back on topic for me- Kings Quest IV - Perils of Rosella.
I seriously LOVED LOVED LOVED playing that game on the computer- I still remember how my heart fluttered like mad when I saw the Unicorn for the first time- and how immersed I would get in that game- like for hours and days (when you are a grades school kid you gots all kinds of time during summer break). I'd play it until my eyes would cross. And remember back then, you couldn't just pop on the internet to find a quick answer when you got stuck- so my sister and i (who both played it) would sometimes get stuck on something for weeks... I think it only made the game that much more meaningful when we would FINALLY progress.
A few years ago they recently did a "Kings Quest Reboot" game- and it was very nice and reminiscent of KQ- but it wasn't a reboot of the Kings Quest that I loved- KQ IV. It was also centered on King Grahm, not Rosella. And, no unicorns. It did give me a hard core craving for that original KQ IV game...
Well, I discovered you can fairly easily find and play the game online. But my god- the graphics and game play is WAY rougher than I remembered- and it takes FOREEEEVER for Rosella to just walk across the screen..... I still kinda want to play... but wow who has that kind of time? Lol
I guess I still do get the "feels" for the game, so it's not a complete anti-nostalgia- but it definitely doesn't have the magic it had in 1989 or whenever. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Scooby-Doo, Smurfs, and most Hannah Barberra shows in general just aren't fun for me anymore.
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I suppose I could say Ed, Edd & Eddy. As a child I really enjoyed that show. I tried to come back to it as an adult, and just found it to be nonsensical.
On the topic of Mario... Mario. His games.
Like, I love Mario, I liked Odyssey, I'm always playing Mario Kart, but I don't think I have any nostalgic feelings towards the games. I feel cozy whenever I play Yoshi's Island, Rayman, the Zoo Tycoons, Roller Coaster Tycoon 3, The Sims 2, Nintendogs, and Animal Crossing Wild World, or if I listen to their soundtracks... I don't really feel anything towards Mario. Mario's good, but not nostalgic, for some reason. The only Mario song that makes me go "aww" is the credits theme for Mario 64.
Rayman might have been my first game ever, but Mario is what really got me into gaming. I spent a lot of time playing Mario 64. Yet when I watch people play Mario 64 on Twitch or Youtube, I don't get any warm fuzzies. It's just a nice game that I liked, nothing more than that...
I adore the original two Paper Mario games and Mario Kart games as well, but the Mario platformers are generally just kind of 'eh' to me. I'd say that Sunshine (the overtly difficult levels aside) and Odyssey are the most fun I've had with them. I have a soft spot for Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island as I played that a lot in my childhood. The rest of the Mario platformers are just kind of there IMO.
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Rugrats. I loved that show when I was a kid. Not now.
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I used to looove David the gnome. It was like my favorite show. As an adult I tried to rewatch it and I’m speechless at how... boring? It is! Just so weird.
I also agree about the care bears show! I used to be obsessed with renting the three vhs my local video store had and I loved them so much! As an adult not so much. I will always love shrieky and beastly though.
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There are certain cartoons that I still kind of enjoy buy they feel pretty awkward compared to when I watched them as a kid, like Moomins, but one particular example is The New Adventures of Speed Racer. I really liked it as a kid because of the subplot taking place in the dystopian future, but now when I look back at it I realize how many problems it had typical of edgy boys' cartoons of that era. Filled with cringeworthy techno-babble, trying to be as serious as possible while maintaining the G rating (i.e. criminals would always do things like smuggling diamonds or designing new weapons, but no drug cartels or human trafficking), always bypassing the "no guns in kids shows" rule by giving everyone a futuristic energy weapons even when it made no sense (the high-tech protagonist team or characters from the future could get away with it, but even soldiers from a small rurithanian country in Europe had them!), or how every human driver would always conveniently jump out of their car right before it crashed, or writers failing at thinking four-dimensionally in the time-travel episodes (like the one there the future "invaded" the present (???) and the 90s architecture inexplicably morphed into futuristic one, wth), or the hamfisted environmental messages... Overall, I still like it and I still think it had its charm, but God, sometimes it hurts.
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There are certain cartoons that I still kind of enjoy buy they feel pretty awkward compared to when I watched them as a kid, like Moomins, but one particular example is The New Adventures of Speed Racer. I really liked it as a kid because of the subplot taking place in the dystopian future, but now when I look back at it I realize how many problems it had typical of edgy boys' cartoons of that era. Filled with cringeworthy techno-babble, trying to be as serious as possible while maintaining the G rating (i.e. criminals would always do things like smuggling diamonds or designing new weapons, but no drug cartels or human trafficking), always bypassing the "no guns in kids shows" rule by giving everyone a futuristic energy weapons even when it made no sense (the high-tech protagonist team or characters from the future could get away with it, but even soldiers from a small rurithanian country in Europe had them!), or how every human driver would always conveniently jump out of their car right before it crashed, or writers failing at thinking four-dimensionally in the time-travel episodes (like the one there the future "invaded" the present (???) and the 90s architecture inexplicably morphed into futuristic one, wth), or the hamfisted environmental messages... Overall, I still like it and I still think it had its charm, but God, sometimes it hurts.
I didnt grow up with speed racer but i had a friend who did and they showed me one of the episodes of the cartoon a few years ago and its great. Its a wonderfully "bad" show that has a lot of charm.
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When I was a wee kid, I *loved* reruns of the Monkees tv show from the 60s/maybe early 70s. It was a half hour sitcom starring the Monkees band(the American Beatles-like band). It came on late afternoons on weekdays after school for a year or two. When I could no longer find it, I spent years trying to track it down again. One day while I was in high school, I spotted it while flipping channels.
Ooooooooo. It did not age well. Not at all. Woof.
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Does anyone remember the Super Mario Brothers Super Show that had the live action segments and the animated Mario cartoons? I bought a DVD of some of the episodes and they were so boring to me as adult. I still love Mario games but the animated cartoons didn't hold up for me.
Ponyfan
Oh yeah! I bought those for Daughter Dearest and I to enjoy years ago. They're still fun for me at least.
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Growing out of your favorite kids shows is hardly anti-nostalgia for me. Kids have different interests and especially different standards than adults.
writers failing at thinking four-dimensionally in the time-travel episodes
This is what I mean :lol: Broadly speaking, kids just don't notice or care about these things - unless they are already little science buffs.
So of course adult you can't feel the same joy anymore you felt as a kid when watching the anime - you have become too aware of the flaws :P
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As a kid, I really liked Garbage Pail Kids(like every other kid I knew). I had the cards and quite a bit of merch, and I even spent many an afternoon with my friends making up new names. I was the exact right age for them, and I had a decent collection at one time.
I don’t like them at all anymore. Not at all. There is a nostalgia resurgence of them right now - not interested. I was recently at my parents’ house, going through the old stuff in the basement. I keep everything, and I mean everything, and I have a miserable time letting go of anything. The GPK cards were literally the only thing I was happy to get rid of. I had a harder time letting go of my high school trig notes.
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or the hamfisted environmental messages...
And immediately I think of Captain Planet.
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or the hamfisted environmental messages...
And immediately I think of Captain Planet.
Now that I think of it, Largo Sludge did look awfully like a stereotypical Captain Planet villain.
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Definitely, yeah lol
Homestuck, Creepypastas, Spongebob, FanBoy and ChumChum, and Johnny Test are some. :blush:
I'm especially embarrassed by the Homestuck thing because I've never even read the actual comic!! I was 12-14 and would get all my info through animations, tributes, and fan-comic dubs on Youtube.
I did that with Warrior Cats too until I got ahold of the actual books, it's kinda crazy how accurate my tiny kid mind could collect all the info and still manage to know enough to make it seem like I read the actual thing.
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I'm especially embarrassed by the Homestuck thing because I've never even read the actual comic!! I was 12-14 and would get all my info through animations, tributes, and fan-comic dubs on Youtube.
Wasn't the homestuck fandom a lot like bronies back when both were at their prime, complete with "fans of the fandom" and all?
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There aren't any cartoons from my childhood that really hold up for me anymore. I also loved all of the early 90s era nicktoons/nickelodeon shows when I was a kid. I tried to watch some of them a few years back when they showed them again and they were so cringy and overdone. Even one of my old favorites Clarissa Explains it All. The acting was horrible and the stories just seemed dumb. Maybe it's because i watched it before i was in high school. even her clothes didn't hold up.
Also all of the old ABC sitcoms Full House, Step by Step, Family Matters. I don't like how they all had some fake moral crisis that was resolved in 20 minutes with a hug. Some of it just feels judgemental today. I also think learning how raunchy Bob Saget's standup is kind of killed the wholesome sitcom dad image.
I also agree that whole late 90s early 2000s era makes me cringe today. The music, the clothes. everything shiny and "futuristic". I still like the early/mid 90s "Clueless" look but things went downhill fast after that.
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Mostly I re-watch Ren and Stimpy and the Tick and wonder in fascination how on earth some of these "children's animated television shows" were EVER approved or considered appropriate for children. Because they are still hysterically funny to adults today. Well at least to me.