The MLP Arena
Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Mana Minori on August 13, 2020, 03:58:47 PM
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I’ve been wondering- we have been seeing a A LOT of series from the 80’s and 90’s getting reboots (She-ra, Rocki’s Modern Life, TMNT Rise, Ren & Stimpy, Beavis & Butthead, Rugrats, Animaniacs, Frasier, Sister Sister, Alf...and so much more) now I know MY LITTLE Pony has been getting reboots with new casts of characters with every generation, but in the mists of this reboot Renaissance, can you guys see Hasbro trying to turn back the clock and having gen 5 be a reintroduction and retelling of gen 1, with many others the original characters that the collectors grew up with?
Also, how would you guys feel if Hasbro started treating g1 like the Pokémon Company does with with g1 Kanto favoritism? (Always giving g1 priorit, references, and reboots In every generation?)
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I just want new stuff. In general, not just MLP. I'm sick of reboots.
A bit of nostalgia here and there is nice... but good god I hope they never get G1 nostalgia to Kanto Pokemon levels!
I don't see it happening. Sadly I think we'll be stuck with the G4 main six for the foreseeable future...
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Like an updated G1? I would hope it has better quality animation and would have no humans. I could be down for that.
I just want new stuff. In general, not just MLP. I'm sick of reboots.
A bit of nostalgia here and there is nice... but good god I hope they never get G1 nostalgia to Kanto Pokemon levels!
I don't see it happening. Sadly I think we'll be stuck with the G4 main six for the foreseeable future...
As much as I love FiM and mane 6 I really need new characters. When they keep redoing the same characters it just starts to degrade them.
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While the last thing I want is for mlp's g1 to become pushed to the same levels that pokemon's g1 is, I honestly don't think I could see myself complaining about anything that would bring back decent quality toys with more ponies than just the mane 6 and maybe a side character here and there, with maybe a toy exclusive if we're lucky...
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I agree with being sick of reboots. There are many shows i've loved that didn't last long enough but I haven't really been happy with any of the reboots. Veronica Mars :(
Also are they really rebooting Frasier. I love the show but wasn't 11 seasons enough? Plus John Mahony passed away a few years ago. His character really balanced Frasier and Niles snobbery. I don't know if i'll be very excited for that. I'll just stick with rewatching the originals.
Maybe the cartoon reboots would be more interesting for people who grew up in the 80s and 90s to show to their kids. Do kids watch TV anymore? I feel old and out of touch now.
For MLP i'm not really into the rebooted G1. I have the Stranger Things Applejack because I like the show but i'm not planning to get the others. I guess it could introduce G1 to a younger audience?
I would rather see something creative and new. A real generation 5. These reboots are just too much for me.
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In general, I don't mind reboots. I like that it can introduce a new generation of people to something old, or it's nice to visit something familiar in a fresh way.
but I'm not sure why the original G1 movie and/or tv show needs to be redone. I fear somehow G5 is going to be a rehash of G4. (meh). I would rather see new characters, and a new storyline.
Besides, I couldn't imagine the amount of complaining that it wasn't done the right way...
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I usually don’t like reboots. I love the original Ducktales and tried watching the new version, but it didn’t appeal to me. The only reboots that I really enjoy are the new versions of Fruits Basket and Sailor Moon Crystal/Eternal.
I’d rather G1 stay as it is and not become a reboot.
Ponyfan
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no more reboots!
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I just want new stuff. In general, not just MLP. I'm sick of reboots.
A bit of nostalgia here and there is nice... but good god I hope they never get G1 nostalgia to Kanto Pokemon levels!
I don't see it happening. Sadly I think we'll be stuck with the G4 main six for the foreseeable future...
that’s a fair opinion, I think. I k ow it’s easier for companies to go back and reboot or remake their old IP (looking at you, Disney) than it is to make something new. And I am all for being creative and pitching new series (or generations) with new characters.
Though I am a bit surprised to see a strong “no” for the generation most here grew up with being given the “Kanto” treatment. Quite surprised, indeed.
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I seriously hate how they do this with pokemon. I personally want new stuff.
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You sound like someone who's heard about the unbeatable champion Leon's unbeatable Charizard! :P
(In all seriousness, I don't think the favoritism in Pokemon is that bad. Like I feel it's totally justified to have more cameos for Misty and Brock versus . . . that stupid "Science is amazing!" blond kid (Cyrus? Cylas?) who travelled with Ash, because more people DO remember and care about Misty and Brock than Blond Science Kid.)
So my feeling on G1 MLP is I love the retro toys coming out and I enjoy seeing appearances here and there of the ponies in toy form or in story elements. For example, Cha Cha the Llama being in the recent blind bag assortment--I think that's funny and great. Or Grogar being rebooted as a G4 villain.
But I wouldn't want a FULL reboot of MLP & Friends or MLP Tales. I didn't like the world of MLP Tales and I didn't connect with most of the characters from MLP & Friends.
It's worth noting that G4 actually drew from G3 a lot more than G1. Not that I'm mad about it or anything, I didn't feel like it detracted from the show. I guess that's my main requirement when it comes to referencing past gens: just don't make it awkward or intrusive. Anyway, I'm happy that Skywishes finally got a toy that's a pegasus instead of an earth pony.
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I'm with everyone who says that G5 should be new.
I would love to see a wide range of well made toy characters and in that sense it can emulate G1, but the thing you have to understand is that those of us who grew up with G1 have had a really long time to get used to the idea that G1 has ended. And we've watched all the other generations come and go, but it hasn't replaced our love for G1. I feel like with some exceptions most people don't need a G1 reboot to reignite their love of the original generation. It's a different kind of mindset IMO from the fans of more recent iterations of things, who are used to being able to buy things in stores and watch new episodes regularly. I think it's much harder for those people to get to grips with the end of something precious to them.
It's not just a MLP thing. I remember that there were a lot of people unhappy about the end of MH, but also uneasy about the reboot that didn't really work for it.
Jem, on the other hand, existed for about 3 years total. And yet it's still very much there in people's minds. There's a lot more stuff out there for Jem than MLP when it comes to the TV series as well. I mention Jem because Jem had the movie reboot and honestly, it was a complete disaster for Hasbro. I can't comment on the film objectively as it never aired in UK cinemas...and while I do have it recorded on my digital box, I haven't been brave enough to watch it yet. Jem for me is the ultimate example of trying to take something awesome from the past and rehash it into the present.
So why would we need that for G1 MLP? In a sense, I feel like FIM is as close to doing that as Hasbro will ever get, because it involves concepts from G1 like smooze and references like Gusty and ponies like AJ and so on and so forth. But it isn't G1, and it isn't remotely like G1. But people keep trying to say it is, because Lauren grew up with G1 and that's kind of a problem for me.
I love the retro release from BF but I'm not interested in a rebooted G1 and I never have been. If G1 had continued in the middle 1990s, great. Even if they'd come back in 1997-8 instead of G2, that would have worked because there were no other generations or versions of MLP to conflict with. But this is 2020, and G1 ended for good 25 years ago.
Frankly I think it should be left alone and G5 should be something entirely new.
(By which I mean also laying to rest the M6 and every concept from G4, instead of piggybacking it which seems more likely.)
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No thanks :scared: :X
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Jem, on the other hand, existed for about 3 years total. And yet it's still very much there in people's minds. There's a lot more stuff out there for Jem than MLP when it comes to the TV series as well. I mention Jem because Jem had the movie reboot and honestly, it was a complete disaster for Hasbro. I can't comment on the film objectively as it never aired in UK cinemas...and while I do have it recorded on my digital box, I haven't been brave enough to watch it yet. Jem for me is the ultimate example of trying to take something awesome from the past and rehash it into the present.
I love the original Jem (I just finished rewatching the series recently :D). I have never been able to watch more than a few minutes of the Jem movie. I've always felt that the producers just used Jem character names to try to make people think it's a Jem movie when they could have used any other names for the characters and had the same movie and not have it try to tie in to Jem.
It also bothers me that in the few parts I've seen the movie turned Jerrica in to a 15 year old and Rio in to some kind of chaperone that has to go find the girls when they do reckless things.
Ponyfan
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(In all seriousness, I don't think the favoritism in Pokemon is that bad. Like I feel it's totally justified to have more cameos for Misty and Brock versus . . . that stupid "Science is amazing!" blond kid (Cyrus? Cylas?) who travelled with Ash, because more people DO remember and care about Misty and Brock than Blond Science Kid.)
idk about the anime, but the games really got on my nerves with all the Kanto pandering. i.e. only gen 1 Pokemon got Alola forms, gen 1 kept getting shout-outs, most of the Galar forms were gen 1 only (although to be fair they DID throw in some other Pokemon there)... etc etc... I'm probably starting to veer a bit too far off topic there, lol. I just wish they'd show some of the other gens some love for once.
The only reboots that I really enjoy are the new versions of Fruits Basket and Sailor Moon Crystal/Eternal.
see, I think that's a good point, cause Fruits Basket's reboot actually brings something new to the table, right? The original didn't adapt the whole manga and changed some key plot points, and the reboot's more true to the manga (from what I've gathered, still haven't gotten round to watching it!).
It makes sense to reboot that, cause there's a lot that hasn't been adapted yet. But reboots of original media (I mean stuff that isn't an adaptation of anything), trying to draw the crowd in through nostalgia rather than something *new*... That's what I'm tired of.
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Imo, there is no reason for a G1 reboot because they can just recycle the characters like they did in - mostly - G4. A reboot of G2 would interest me, tho. It never had a show, only media presence was video games, so coming up with a little story for the G2 royals and their subjects could be fun. You could have new toys and even a slightly tweaked art style. I think it could work if Hasbro gave a single damn about G2, that is ;)
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Toywise bring it on! Media wise no thanks. They can just air re-runs.
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I see the new furuba as a correction rather than a reboot as it goes back to the source...
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You sound like someone who's heard about the unbeatable champion Leon's unbeatable Charizard! :P
(In all seriousness, I don't think the favoritism in Pokemon is that bad. Like I feel it's totally justified to have more cameos for Misty and Brock versus . . . that stupid "Science is amazing!" blond kid (Cyrus? Cylas?) who travelled with Ash, because more people DO remember and care about Misty and Brock than Blond Science Kid.)
So my feeling on G1 MLP is I love the retro toys coming out and I enjoy seeing appearances here and there of the ponies in toy form or in story elements. For example, Cha Cha the Llama being in the recent blind bag assortment--I think that's funny and great. Or Grogar being rebooted as a G4 villain.
But I wouldn't want a FULL reboot of MLP & Friends or MLP Tales. I didn't like the world of MLP Tales and I didn't connect with most of the characters from MLP & Friends.
It's worth noting that G4 actually drew from G3 a lot more than G1. Not that I'm mad about it or anything, I didn't feel like it detracted from the show. I guess that's my main requirement when it comes to referencing past gens: just don't make it awkward or intrusive. Anyway, I'm happy that Skywishes finally got a toy that's a pegasus instead of an earth pony.
Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee
Bringing back the first two trainers in Sun/Moon
Alola Kanto variants
Gigantamax Kanto pokemon
Galarian variants of Kanto pokemon
Reusing the first few episodes as a rebooted kanto movie
Charizard getting many many new forms
Yeah it is getting kinda bad. Ahaha. :rolleyes:
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I am never going to say no to Alolan Vulpix and Ninetales. I hunted round 3 pokemon centres in Japan before I found a vulpix plush, and then had to lug her all the way from Hiroshima to Shimonoseki and then back to Kyoto on my fieldwork trip in among all my other luggage. And then of course Kyoto got a different one so I ended up bringing two vulpixes and a ninetales back with me. Plus...possibly...some freebie stickers and a couple of keychains <3
I love regular Vulpix/NT too but I really. love. the Alolan ones.
(Although I agree that there are some good pokemon in other generations. Anything in the Oddish or Ralts lines is immediately good with me. Though I feel both lines do get decent game exposure in later gens. I guess because Oddish is a G1 pokemon...
...Maybe that's off topic.
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I see the new furuba as a correction rather than a reboot as it goes back to the source...
What's furuba?
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I love the idea of regional forms, etc, I just wish they could showcase a wider variety of Pokemon. One thing Sword/Shield did right was give Galar forms to some non-gen 1 Pokemon, now if only it could be a more even mix instead of just "Gen 1 and, um, also one or two other Pokemon" then we'd really be talking! They got it right with mega evolutions (yeah, Charizard really didn't need two forms, but otherwise I thought the megas showcased a pretty good mix of gens) so idk why they suddenly fell into "gen 1 only" with the next few alt. forms.
Furuba = Fruits Basket, and I agree that's not really a "reboot"... just a new adaptation. I think stuff like Sailor Moon Crystal, the new Tokyo Mew Mew, etc are kind of unnecessary, since in those cases the original animes took the manga and fleshed them out... yeah there were changes, but they still adapted the whole story. They're more of a reboot than something like Furuba, I think.
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I love Alolan Vulpix / Ninetales so much. One of the most beautiful Pokemon. <3
They started giving other gens regional forms in Sword/Shield, though. I had a Galarian Stunfisk and Zigzagoon on my team.
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In terms of the toy, I would love to see something more like what HQG1 is doing. G1 style design, new characters.
In terms of the show, there are elements of early G1 I would like to see. Namely a more pastoral/less urban vibe. More songs! And while I wouldn’t say no to seeing one or two older characters brought back, like Applejack but not Applejack again*, I don’t need for it to be an entire reboot.
I will admit to imagining what it would be like if RAMC could be made into a full length movie but I’d want it to be in the same style with the same charm. I’m afraid that any “reboot” would mean flat, highly stylized and “edgy” characters such as has been the trend in animation lately.
*what about Gusty? She seems to be relatively popular and I wouldn’t mind seeing new Gusty toys. But I’m mostly thinking as a toy collector and not necessarily as a fan of the cartoon character.
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I want something new. Fresh. Horsey. Collectible. Brushable. Needless to say, Hasbro basically gets none of my money these days. Basic Fun and HQG1Cs, however...
I'm not really sure what else I want from G5, other than a move away from the main six/core seven type thing, but I doubt Hasbro will abandon the concept.
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The Gen I Pokemon favoritism is beyond ridiculous at this point. Don't even get me started. As someone who got into Pokemon in Gen I, it is not amusing to me for even one second. I feel like they've taken that nostalgia and stomped all over it. I don't have nostalgia when I see Gen I Pokemon anymore, only irritation.
My Little Pony is a different kind of franchise. It's hard to think of what they'd do that would make it comparable. Even an all-out remake of G1 wouldn't be taken as bad by me because MLP is formatted differently - With Pokemon, each new generation builds upon the past ones, with each new MLP generation, it is more of a blank slate. This is why Pokemon has become so annoying about it, because they feature prominently only Gen I when there are so many great Pokemon from the later generations that should be equal in importance.
Plus, MLP brushables have gone a bit astray. I would love another generation of MLPs that is more like G1 or G3... But I am an adult now, not Hasbro's targeted audience. (hopefully they don't target Bronies over us. *sigh*)
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I see these topics as two separate things that are already being done by Hasbro tbh. Every generation of MLP is a reboot. While it would be nice if they went closer in spirit to the original for a reboot FIM was such a success I think it will be more likely like FIM. And as for favoritism just look at their overuse of Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash. Which ironically were from the generation that was out around the same time as Pokemon just started in Kanto. Pinkie Pie is basically their Pikachu.
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I see these topics as two separate things that are already being done by Hasbro tbh. Every generation of MLP is a reboot. While it would be nice if they went closer in spirit to the original for a reboot FIM was such a success I think it will be more likely like FIM. And as for favoritism just look at their overuse of Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash. Which ironically were from the generation that was out around the same time as Pokemon just started in Kanto. Pinkie Pie is basically their Pikachu.
I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I'm fairly certain that Pokemon G1 is concurrent with G2. G3 didn't begin till 2003, but I know I had a GBA and Pokemon Blue in 2000. I also have a feeling that Moon and Sun marked the 20 year anniversary.
...Although the idea of Pinkie as a repetitive and annoying Pikachu, I can understand. It's just not the same timeline.
FIM and the M6 already killed any chance of a proper reboot in G5, and honestly, probably the whole franchise, since quick money is preferred over creativity in the modern world. FIM is kind of evidence of that, with its repeated toys and a series crafted on character stereotypes.
TBH the most fantastical things in FIM tend to be the attempts to force mythical concepts of 'friendship' into each episode.
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I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I'm fairly certain that Pokemon G1 is concurrent with G2. G3 didn't begin till 2003, but I know I had a GBA and Pokemon Blue in 2000. I also have a feeling that Moon and Sun marked the 20 year anniversary.
Pokemon G1 was began in 1996 in Japan, so that puts it right before MLP G2, IIRC. So they are pretty much concurrent, yes. Pokemon was is in Gen 3 when MLP entered G3. Isn't that convenient? :P
As for the reused characters... (this is more for Wardah) Again, it's different in MLP than it is in Pokemon. In Pokemon, the generations build upon each other. Pokemon that existed in previous generations continue to exist in later generations. It's not comparable to MLP. Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie were different characters in G3. The most that can be said is that they're using the designs as a template and going a completely different direction from there.
Of course, there is something to be said about Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash being prominent characters in both G3 and G4. Just... They're very different in each generation.
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I like reboots if they can stand on their own as a series. If it depends on the older fans to carry it, it’s not good. Make new content but keep the same feeling is what I like to see. Keep the action and adventure, but perhaps update, introduce or remove content. IMO, if a reboot is just a retelling of the previous, it’s not a new thing.
I love new content based on old things. And it’s nice to slip references here and there. But slip in references to more than just the first generation, and make sure there is enough new stuff that it doesn’t feel like a slap of paint on an old picture. Make a new picture based on the old one, but with its own style and pizazz.
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I would not mind a reboot of G1 friends and tales. I love Sailor Moon & Crystal too.
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The only reboot I needed in my life was 'Will & Grace'.
As for cartoons, I honestly have avoided everything coming back because they're just not the same. Agreed that I can see Hasrro will use core G4 for a bit more.