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Title: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on April 08, 2018, 04:00:54 PM
South African Ponies

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Very little is known about South African ponies. This spotlight aims to bring together the little that is known about these rare and strange looking ponies.

Before I begin I would like to say and extra special thank you to Stormy31685 and Kasin for helping me with this spotlight, for answering all my questions and for letting me use their pictures.

I will refer to South African ponies as SA ponies through out the spotlight.

Where are South African ponies from?

South African ponies were sold by Prima Toys, a South African toy company. This company is still going today and was one of the distributors of G3 My Little Pony line in South Africa.

Many Nirvana ponies were made by local toy companies under the name of Hasbro. For example, El Greco produced the Greek ponies, Auriken produced the Mexican NC ponies and DAG produced the Italian ponies. One could say that the SA ponies fit into this category in that the ponies made by a local toy company under Hasbro. However, the back card does not state where the ponies were made only the name of the company Prima Toys.

This theory of the ponies being locally made in South Africa doesn’t quite fit with the SA ponies hoof markings. South African ponies’ hooves are marked “made in Hong Kong”. The hoof markings are barely legible but you can still make it out. One could argue that it has been badly blanked out as is the case with some no country ponies.

Another line of thought is that the SA ponies weren’t actually licensed. It is possible that a mould was made using a Hong Kong pony and that this mould was used to produce a line of “My Little Pony’s’”. That may explain why they still have the Hong Kong under their feet. *kasin

In conclusion one can see that there is still no concrete evidence that SA ponies were actually made in South Africa.

Where these the only "Hasbro" ponies to be sold is sought Africa?

As well as the strange SA ponies South Africa is known to have got the Pony Friends Truly and Cupcake, as well as a whole host of other regular release ponies. *ladyg

Where have South African ponies been found?

Loose South African ponies have been found in the UK, South Africa, Germany, the Netherlands and the USA.

Who are the South African ponies?

All the SA ponies which have been found so far are from year 2 and it possible that the whole of the year 2 line was produced and sold. *kasin

Here is a list of the following variants have been found so far;

Earth

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Bubbles (yellow with blue hair)
Applejack (orange with yellow hair)
Seashell (green with green hair) (this is the only variant of seashell in a standing pose)
Bowtie (dark blue with pink hair)
Blossom (lilac with pink hair)
Cotton Candy (pink with pink hair)

Rainbow

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Sunlight (green with rainbow hair)
Windy (white with rainbow hair)
Moonstone (blue with rainbow hair)
Skydancer (yellow with rainbow hair)
Starshine (white with rainbow hair)
Parasol (half finished version found, pink with rainbow tail)

Pegasus and Unicorn

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Medley (yellow with blue hair)
Moondancer version 1 (white with pink and yellow hair)
Moondancer version 2 (white yellow and pink hair)
Firefly oddity (green head, pink body and blue and green hair)
Heartthrob (white with red hair)
Powder (lilac with white and pink hair)
Sparkler version 1 (blue with red and pink hair)
Sparkler version 2 (blue with pink and red hair)

Rumour
According to the collector Seashell, there is rumoured to be a Sprinkles, she is white with red hair. This was a case of mistaken identity!

As one can see most of the SA ponies resemble their HK cousins, however there are others who look completely different. For example, Medley is bright yellow instead of green and Seashell is in a standing pose instead of sitting.

What makes them special?

The Body.

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 *thank you kasin

If you look at a SA pony you will notice they look a bit odd. This is because some of them are made up of different pony body parts! Bubbles has Moondancer’s walking pose body and Firefly’s open mouth head!!! Seashell has a Moonstone’s proud pose body and a Firefly open mouth head. Windy has a Moonstone’s head and a Moondancer’s walking pose body.

The plastic body of a SA ponies is VERY hard.

The Hair.
The hair is similar in texture to Brazilian ponies in that it is very fine and frizzes. The hair colours also appear to be unique to SA ponies too (I have yet to find an exact hair match for my SA Sunlight with any other MLP pony) All the SA ponies appear to have long flowing manes that go right down to their hooves and quite a long tail.

The most noticeable and unique feature though is their rooted tail! Instead of having a single tail hole with a tail held together by a washer like all other ponies, they have a stitched tail instead. The tail of a SA pony is rooted in the same way as a pony mane.

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It has also been noticed that some SA ponies shed their hair very easily when brushed and others do not.

Hoof Markings.
South African ponies are all marked “© 83 Hasbro Pat Pend. Hong Kong” the hoof markings are only just legible, compared with a normal Hong Kong pony.

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Hoof markings can be misleading. Mexican, Spanish, Greek and Argentinean ponies can all have no country stamp markings on their feet and it is only by looking at the ponies’ features that can one identify their country of origin. Despite being marked Hong Kong it is clear that this is not a Hong Kong pony!

As mentioned earlier In this spotlight one could argue that due to the illegibility of the stamp it could have been badly blanked out as is the case with some no country ponies or that the HK stamp was just left or forgotten about.

Eyes
All the South African ponies that have been discovered so far all have blue eyes. The pupil, eyeliner and eye lashes on all known ponies are black. The eyes are very different to Hong Kong eyes which are cleanly printed on. South African pony eyes are very fuzzy looking as if they have been air brushed on. The only ponies that have similar style eyes to a South African pony are Italian ponies with airbrushed eyes.

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HK Sunlight and SA Sunlight eye comparison *picture pinkkittywinks

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SA Sunlight and Italy Minty with airbrushed eyes eye comparison *thank you so silver for Italian Minty with airbrushed eyes

Symbols
The symbol of the SA ponies only resembles their HK cousins in passing. They are printed on in one block colour and are quite small in scale.

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 Comparison of SA Sunlight and HK Sunlight’s symbols *picture pinkkittywinks

Conclusion

From looking closely at South African ponies, one can see that they are unique in the world of MLP; though they still do bare a passing resemblance to their Hong Kong cousins. There stand out features include their mixed up poses and a rooted tail. Like many Nirvana ponies such as Greek and Mexican ponies it is thought that SA ponies were made by a local toy company under the Hasbro name, however there is still no hard evidence that SA ponies were actually made in South Africa.

Prices
They can sell for anything between $800 and $4000 plus.

A big thank you got Shelti :missy: who saved each of the spotlights. This spotlight was first published on April 19, 2008.


Please respect the Nirvana Spotlights and the MLParena and do not take pictures or information for use on eBay, personal sales or webpages. The Nirvana Spotlights were kindly written and donated to the MLParena by members for use here only.

Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ColdRuru on April 08, 2018, 04:48:54 PM
They are very lovely! I do love how they seems to talks with their open mouth, it makes them look alife!
It's a shame they are so rare, I would love to see more of them.

BTW I was talking about them to one of my flatmate recently as she's in Africa for a trip right now, asking if she could looks after one for me ahaha (zero chances it's gonna happend, saddly). This post would have been helpfull, thanks for it either way :biggrin:
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Shaz on April 09, 2018, 01:27:16 AM
Love these spotlights, I am learning so much!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: NightGliderSA on April 09, 2018, 12:45:21 PM
Ahhhhh! A spotlight on my grails! I really love these ponies, thank you for a lovely article  :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Skeen on April 09, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
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Another line of thought is that the SA ponies weren’t actually licensed. It is possible that a mould was made using a Hong Kong pony and that this mould was used to produce a line of “My Little Pony’s’”.

Honestly that makes a lot of sense.  It would appear that Prima had molds only for a completed pegasus, a completed unicorn in Glory's pose, and Moondancer's body, which would explain why all of the earthies are a mix of a hornless peg head and wingless uni body.  Firefly's head meshes marginally better with Moonstone's body than with Glory's (they both look weird), so Prima only had to have access to 5 different molds to make all varieties of pony at the time.  I wonder if SA ponies are really very sophisticated knockoffs that flew under Hasbro's radar.
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Cvoysey93 on April 09, 2018, 04:04:39 PM
I absolutely love sa ponies my dream is to own them all one day!
There is cotton candy as well she doesn’t appear to be in the list?
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Safflower on April 09, 2018, 04:23:27 PM
I love these spotlights! They are so fun to read :biggrin: SA are so pretty :heart:
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on April 09, 2018, 05:07:33 PM
I absolutely love sa ponies my dream is to own them all one day!
There is cotton candy as well she doesn’t appear to be in the list?

The spotlight was originally written in 2008, before any SA Cotton Candy had been found.

I did update the spotlight, but obviously omitted her for some reason, most likely because I’m human and make mistakes :blush:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: tootie_tails on April 11, 2018, 12:23:11 AM
The SA ponies are intriguing. I have given up on ever owning one, they are just too htf and out of my price range. I will probably end up making a custom. Has anyone ever tried making a custom rooted tail?
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: KC8114 on April 11, 2018, 09:49:08 AM
I love these spot lights!!  Thank you so much for sharing all of the information.

SA ponies are so amazing.  I love them and their uniqueness and history :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on April 11, 2018, 03:41:33 PM
The SA ponies are intriguing. I have given up on ever owning one, they are just too htf and out of my price range. I will probably end up making a custom. Has anyone ever tried making a custom rooted tail?


Yes!

I kept the regular tail hole in the middle and rooted around it to disguise it :) of course there is a tail in the centre or it wouldn't be so thick ;)

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Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pikkupapupata on April 11, 2018, 09:03:33 PM
Thank you for compiling all of this information and keeping up with it! The South African ponies have been so mysterious to me, I'm happy I was able to learn a bit more about them. I hope more continue to be found and shared; I love that there are so many international ponies, and that discoveries are still being made.

With all of the languages in South Africa, I wonder if these ponies ever had names in these languages, or if the English names were used by default. It would be so cool to find out, especially if they do have non-English names!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: tootie_tails on April 12, 2018, 05:24:31 AM
The SA ponies are intriguing. I have given up on ever owning one, they are just too htf and out of my price range. I will probably end up making a custom. Has anyone ever tried making a custom rooted tail?


Yes!

I kept the regular tail hole in the middle and rooted around it to disguise it :) of course there is a tail in the centre or it wouldn't be so thick ;)

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Love pkw xxx

How clever, and it looks really genuine..! I hope to make custom nirvanas too one day.
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: starstrider on April 12, 2018, 07:45:36 AM
Thank you so much for sharing all of this information!  I knew so little about these ponies, it's really exciting to read more about them. 
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on April 12, 2018, 12:57:44 PM
Thank you for compiling all of this information and keeping up with it! The South African ponies have been so mysterious to me, I'm happy I was able to learn a bit more about them. I hope more continue to be found and shared; I love that there are so many international ponies, and that discoveries are still being made.

With all of the languages in South Africa, I wonder if these ponies ever had names in these languages, or if the English names were used by default. It would be so cool to find out, especially if they do have non-English names!

I love alternative names as well :)

There is a backcard in the Nirvana Gallery

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=435806

The story is generic and is written in English and the Afrikaans. The names of the ponies are all in English.

Tootie :) I'm glad you like how the tail turned out. It required a little thought before hand, but once I realised what I could do it made sense :) I'd love to see your nirvana customs when they are finished :bigups:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Silversnow on April 12, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
Loving the spotlight, PKW and team! Thanks!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pikkupapupata on April 12, 2018, 01:32:09 PM
Pkw, that's so cool!! I just wish the photos were clearer; I haven't been able to find other photos of an SA card. Thank you!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Loa on April 12, 2018, 05:03:28 PM
That custom is so clever!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on April 13, 2018, 04:08:14 PM
It's a shame that that backcard scan isn't clearer, because the answer to the licencing problem may be included on the fuzzy blue text at the bottom of the backcard. A lot of clues can be found in backcard small print.

I have to admit, I don't like SA ponies. I mean, some have nice colour schemes, but the rooted tails creep me out a bit. Also, the prices are crazy. If they were to be sophisticated bootlegs, then the fact they're more expensive than some of the 'real' ponies is a bit worrying.

I don't need to ever own one :) I have seen a few at ponycon before, and that's enough for me :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: kellyponyfeathers on April 13, 2018, 04:30:08 PM
So, just to check, we're not sure if SA ponies were produced under official license from Hasbro? They may turn out to be bootlegs, technically?
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on April 13, 2018, 07:33:07 PM
This is very neat, they are such strange yet wonderful ponies.  :lovey:
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on April 16, 2018, 03:35:52 PM
So, just to check, we're not sure if SA ponies were produced under official license from Hasbro? They may turn out to be bootlegs, technically?

It's a possibility that can't be ruled out just yet.

So far I've only seen poor quality scans of one backcard featuring the earth set. You just can't see the fine print on the bottom :( this fine print would tell us if they were truly made in South Africa and about the license and distribution.

I do believe a collector located in South Africa got in touch with Prima Toys a number of years ago regarding the G1 line, but sadly there was no information to be had :( they just didn't have records going back that far.

Prima Toys did distribute the G3 line, but on looking at their website they aren't distributing the G4 line currently.

I'm hoping one of our South African based collectors can help us out with information or a clear backcard image.

Love pkw xxx
 
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on April 16, 2018, 03:54:37 PM
The text is completely illegible. The things I do notice from the card are that the rainbow does have the TM by the MLP logo, which could mean nothing but may be important.

Also that the artwork is based on the art from the Y2 US card but with the unicorns and pegasus ponies omitted. They are obviously placed in different places and in a couple of cases the names are also positioned differently. It may be the blurry picture but I feel like this is a recreated version of the artwork rather than the actual artwork. That said, the UK also redrew the US artwork (adding in bows, braids etc) so that might just have been normal practice for sets that didn't feature all the same ponies as the US set:

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/comparing1984.jpg

I checked Argentina and their card art looks a lot more like the US art lifted in situe. The positioning of the six ponies on the SA card is much more distinct than on other cards and spreads across the whole of the card where others have braiding instructions and stuff. It suggests that the card was probably produced for these ponies specifically in South Africa. But it doesn't answer whether that was under licence or not :/

There's definitely a copyright symbol in that blue blur. But it's not clear whether the words after say Hasbro Bradley or Hasbro South Africa...or anything else. The mystery ><
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pikkupapupata on April 16, 2018, 03:57:54 PM
I want to see that backcard clearly so bad!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on April 17, 2018, 06:05:31 AM
I think I have found the information we are looking for, I had it all along!!!! Saved on my PC for YEARS ago was a capture of a no longer working website created by a South African collector called Seashell.

I have highlighted in bold the information we were looking for:

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My Web PageThis site hosted by Free.ProHosting.com
       Enter your search terms  Submit search form         


 South African Ponies
Hi there!
This page is dedicated to South African MLP variants .......
I was given these two South African ponies when I was a little girl!
I despirately wanted Seashell and Applejack, and so these are the "Seashell" and
"Applejack" I was given......
You can imagine my disappointement at the time, I'm sure! - they were not what i
was expecting!
Anyway...take a look at these ponies........
 

This is a SouthAfrican variant "Applejack"
She has the body pose of Moondancer and the head of prancing pegasus, Firefly!
 They must have just used the moulds and created pony-variants!
The hair of these ponies is of poor condition....it was never as silky and
shiney and regular MLP hair.
Also, the tail hair does not go in through one hole as in the regular MLPs,
instead it is threaded in through many small holes.....
 
 

This is a SA variant, "Seashell"
She has the body pose of unicorn Glory and again the same pegasus head of
Firefly's!
The hair is also not nice and shiney and is inserted through many small holes.
This Seashell was called "Seashell" on her packaging, but she has the different
colouring!
The symbols are painted on or stamped on, often badly.
 
These versions were fairly common in South Africa and many people got these
versions since they were MUCH cheaper than the regular My Little Ponies......but
of course, they LOOK much cheaper too!
 
 
Here is the backcard of SA "Seashell".

The cards have the real MLP pics on them and say:
"c 1985 Hasbro Bradley, Inc., Pawtucket R.I. USA All Rights Reserved"
They were made by "Prima Toys", a South African toy company, but nowhere does it
say WHERE they were made...
On the underside of the pony hooves is the same imprinted writing, presumably
just from the original moulds. The back two hooves say (rather illegibly),
"c 83 Hasbro Pat Pend." and "Hong Kong"

On the back of the backcard is written:
"Hello, I'm a cute pony.
I love adventure and making new friends.
Please be my friend, and comb and braide my long
silky hair and tie it with ribbon."
then this is repeated below in the Afrikaans language...
 
So, basically, these are cheaply made variants of MLP's.
The original moulds were obviously used but joined incorrectly, the heads
obviously
not fitting the bodies since the head is of one pose and the bodies of other
poses.
They are made of a much harder material than the vinyl of the regular MLPs.
These ponies do have similarities to the Argentinian and Mexican variant ponies,
which were also made by local toy manufacturers under the Hasbro name, and are
also not quite as well made as the US and other regular ponies.

I have also come across SA variant Moonstones, Windys, Sprinkles (white with red
hair....!)
and others

Here are some pics of SA variants i have received from various collectors:
(appollogies for not referencing these pics, please contact me if these are your
photos,
as i have lost your email and would like to give you the proper credit!)


SA variant Bowtie


SA variant Moondancer


SA variant Windy

These SA ponies were very common in their day, however, any MLP's are very rare
in South Africa these days and SA variants even less common for some reason...
They are therefore quite special and rare collector's items! and worth quite a
bit!

Please e-mail me if you have any other info on these....I'd love to know if they
were sold anywhere else other than in my country, or if they are indeed, All
South African variants!
 
Home
   Katrina aka Seashell 

Pics from Crazy Jack's:  http://www.moondancersdream.com/DQfreepics.htm
"My Little Pony" is copyrighted to Hasbro


Taffeta you have a better understanding of licensing than I do, what do you think?

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on April 17, 2018, 06:52:04 AM
Ah, that's interesting :D Well found :D Seeing the bolded bit, if you look back at the shape of the blue blobs on the card you can see that everything Seashell says fits the shape of the print.

I am not sure if I do know more, especially not about Nirvana, but this is the question that it raises for me. Here's a lovely close up scan of an Argentinian card for comparison.

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/528398968774818134/

This one also contains the same copyrighting information for Hasbro Inc, but also adds that the ponies are made in Argentina by Top Toys and most importantly, it mentions a license.

I am having trouble finding comparative legible examples for Brazil and the Piggy Ponies etc, but from what I can see they also have a lot of blue text on the card which suggests maybe similar text.

I am not really much of an expert on Nirvana stuff, my knowledge mostly stretches to variations within Europe, which tend to be a bit different.

We know that other ponies were distributed in South Africa, some of which appeared on UK style cards and from presumed UK distribution (like Truly, Cupcake etc on that card I would love to get my hands on). But it's not uncommon for even pony cards in the Uk to mention Hasbro Inc. However, they also then say distributed in the UK by Hasbro UK (address). Those are official rather than licenced ponies but the system is very similar.

The South African card mentions the copyright, but doesn't mention a licence and doesn't mention distribution in South Africa. My disclaimer on this is that we haven't many examples of non-mainstream South African cards, leaflets, etc that might close that gap and just demonstrate that S.A didn't put all the wordy stuff on the card but still had the licence.

The artwork is not identical to the US artwork but as I said before, nor is the UK one for that set. Redrawing and packaging within one's own country is not unusual either. The fact the Rainbow has a TM on it and the copyright information is included might just indicate Prima preferred not to spew great amounts of detail on the cards...

I would just have thought it normal to have a distribution address at least on the card somewhere. BUT I also can't read whether there's anything like that under the Prima logo either :/ Or whether the pony may have come with an insert that had all that info on it, and so it never needed to be on the card. Prima not being on the pony hooves also means nothing given that several Nirvana pony lines don't have the company on the hooves. The Made in Hong Kong is a touch concerning but then look at the official NC ponies and how badly that's sometimes swept out, so may also mean nothing.

1985 also offers one other possibility - these poses all come from year 2 I think? Production of Rainbow Ponies and Sprinkles continued in the UK through 1985, but it's possible some of those moulds were discarded at that point. 1985 dates on cards often mean a 1985-1986 release so it might be that the moulds were given over to or sold to (or licenced to) Prima following their withdrawal from use for mass production in Hong Kong. Two historical facts that might tie it all together - Hong Kong is in the commonwealth, as is South Africa, and in 1985, Hong Kong was a British territory still, and the UK organised distribution to South Africa in terms of mainstream ponies to at least some extent. Right now I am having trouble thinking when the Moondancer pose was ever used for a pony sold in the UK, and am coming up blank. Firefly's pose was literally only Sprinkles who was already in production and may have been on the cancel list - I suspect she came to the UK as surplus stock because we were meant to have Cascade. And the Glory pose was still here, admittedly, but wasn't used again after the 1984-5 Rainbow Pony set except for Majesty, whose production did switch to China later on.

So...

Maybe this is a case of travelling moulds, rather than anything else. In which case they're copyrighted to Hasbro, produced in South Africa, but not so much licensed as inherited...?

I dunno. This is all speculative and doesn't address the fact Majesty was still available after 1985-6.

I don't think on this evidence alone it's possible to say yes or no. We need more information...but the the lack of licencing and distribution info makes me wonder.

(Side note, I now know the actual name of one of my argentinian baby ponies. xD yay).
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pikkupapupata on April 17, 2018, 08:40:46 AM
If it helps at all, I remembered seeing 2 MOC Piggies, one Brekkar and one not, on eBay right now, so I went to have a look at the photos, and took some screenshots. I hesitate to post them as I don't know the etiquette, but I could if it's deemed okay on here. But, while there is still a bit of fuzziness, I was able to zoom in a bit and see some of the fine print on the cards. The non-Brekkar one says, '1984 MB España S.A. under Berne and Universal Copyright Convention. Made in Valencia, Spain in 1984'. underneath is a disclaimer in Spanish basically saying that the actual colours of the items may vary from those shown on the card. This information is on the back at the bottom. The Brekkar has this information on the front at the bottom, just to the left of the bubble. It says, '1984 MB España S.A. - under Berne and Universal Copyright Convention. Made in Spain.'. On both, I believe that © is present before 1984, but they are both just fuzzy enough that I can't say for sure.

I'm still trying to see if I can find a Brazilian card or something for comparison, but I was able at least to find these.

Okay, I managed to find two photos of Brazilian packaging, an Os Fofinhos card, and a Baby Buggy box. Between the two, I was able to get most of the fine print. The card has the information split into two parts at the bottom, one part on the left, the other on the right, and the box has it all in one place on one of the sides. From the card, this is what I have:

MANUFATURA DE BRINQUEDOS ESTRELA S.A.
Rua Cabo Norberto E. Weber Nº. 222 - São Paulo
Ind. Brasileira - C.G.C. 61.082.004/003-12 - Made in Brazil

The box has the same information, with two additional lines. I couldn't make out part of the first additional line, but here's the additional information:

Departamento de Vendas, Rua Joaquim Carlos 633 - São Paulo [blur blur blur blur blur]
Fabricado sob licença de Hasbro, Inc. Pawtucket, Rhode Island, USA

I hope this can bring even the littlest bit of insight concerning these mysterious South African ponies.  ^.^
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Leikin on April 17, 2018, 10:03:03 AM
Interesting discussion! :) I was really just popping in to see if there was any info on how many ponies are known for each character, anyone know?

Also, I dont know hoe early SA started importing mlp, but is it possible that the cards are made for the imported ones, and they just used the same for the ones they made themself? Or did the import start later on?

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I have also come across SA variant Moonstones, Windys, Sprinkles (white with red
hair....!)
and others

White with red hair? That sounds awfully a lot like Heart Throb.  Could it be a cause of mistaken identity? I mean, why would they make two withe pegasus with red hair, when none of them had that colour to begin with?



Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on April 17, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
There is some stuff I want to look for, but chronic illness is kicking my behind at the moment.

Great work Taffeta and Pikku on finding those bits of information, I've had a look at my backcard pictures and it's similar for each country :bigups:

I hadn't considered a leaflet coming with the ponies :wow:

I've only seen two South African backcards and both were for the year two earth ponies. On looking at the ponies released it was year two and year three ponies :)

Before I forget!!! These babies! But no pictures of the backcard sadly.

https://mylittleponystickergallery.weebly.com/international-stickers.html

http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,301123.msg274071.html#msg274071

Leikin: I think there was a "count" at some point, but I honestly can't remember :blush: some are ooak, others 2-5 and a few are about 8-10. I too wondered if Sprinkles was a case of mistake identity as well. I included her her as a "rumour" in the gallery and the spotlight, just for informations sake :)

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on April 17, 2018, 01:34:18 PM
I remember those baby ponies. If ashlyne gave those pics, does she have them in her collection? Maybe she has the card?

Those are normal release babies, though interestingly that rainbow has no TM on it, nor the R from some of the other licensed ones in other languages.

Imports like that are a hazy grey area...I don't even know were to begin with them, except their existence is interesting to me :D

Otherwise the stuff that I am aware of being sold in S.A was stuff on cards we'd recognise here in the UK, including that one I mentioned - as far as I know.

But we really just don't have enough intel on S.A in general.
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pikkupapupata on April 17, 2018, 02:16:37 PM
OOOOOOOO look at those stickers!!

Oh boy, this is getting so interesting. I kept poking around the internet to see other cards and boxes, whatever I can find available, and from what I've been able to find and see, I've noticed that Greek packaging and Danish packaging don't explicitly mention copyright or licence information. The Danish card for Alternate Birthflower December has only a Hasbro logo in the bottom left corner on the front, and an 'Import' marker in the bottom right corner. Nothing on the back. An Australian card for April, though, has copyright information on the back at the bottom. I just can't tell if it mentions a licence or not, but I don't think so. The Greek packages don't typically have anything aside from an El Greco logo; I thought I found copyright writing of some sort on one of the Collector Pony boxes on eBay right now, but after translating, it just lets one know to collect all eight ponies in different colours. One of the Pony Wear boxes had a Hasbro logo on the back in the bottom right corner, with 'Patented by Hasbro U.S.', but that's all that I saw on any of the Greek packages. A Belgian card for the Rabbit Pony has Dutch and German on the front (aside from 'For 3 years and older' in French), and Dutch and French on the back with copyright and distribution information, but no mention of a licence. A German card for Baby Sunribbon has copyright information on the back in German, but nothing about a licence. A German card for Nachtlicht also mentions no licence. An Italian box for Minty mentions copyright and licence.

Aside from the Greeks, I've noticed a theme of mentioning a licence if the ponies are not made in either Hong Kong or China. If the ponies are made in either of those two places, then there is at least a small mention of Hasbro somewhere, but not of a licence. I'm curious about cards from France for those made in France, as well as Colombian, Mexican, and Venezuelan packaging to see how they are formatted and what information they disclose.

I'm not sure what this all could say about the South Africans, but if wide-release ponies were sold in South Africa alongside the South African ponies, which have Hong Kong on their hooves, it might not be odd that there's no mention of a licence, and they could very well be genuine as opposed to knock-offs. But then, I wonder, was a South African pony on that South African card, or was it a wide-release pony on that South African card?

ALSO! Just found this thread (http://www.mlptp.net/index.php?threads/south-african-ponies-how-rare-are-they.103782/#post-841401) over on the Trading Post where Seashell, under ZuluSeashell, posted in November of last year. She has clearer photos of the backcard! Interestingly, I went to save them for my digital reference collection of others' packages, and they automatically showed up with the names 'FakieBackcard1gif' and 'FakieBackcard2gif'. Hmmm...
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on April 17, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
There is some discussion about the means by which the 1995 Dutch ponies were sold and whether they were/were not official MLPs in the sense of those which came before.

This is probably going to need to be a different thread as we're moving away from South Africa, but I need to say quite emphatically that there is a difference between licenced ponies (Estrela, Top Toys, etc) and ponies distributed in other regions outside of the US but still produced by Hasbro. Those two things are being blurred.

The US line is not the central nucleus and ponies not sold in the US are not peripheral and other in this equation. This is a false division invented by collectors but bears no resemblance to production reality (which is why I want to stamp out the tendency to segregate). In a lot of cases different cards just show different packaging in different areas. Ponies like Baby Sunribbon are produced by Hasbro in Germany and the Uk just the same as in the US. They are just packaged locally, albeit that style of packaging is uniform across Europe for the period. Baby Sunribbon herself is made in China.

Similar rules for Nachtlicht. Her set wasn't sold in the US, but that doesn't mean she needs to be licensed. Hasbro has a lot of branches outside of the US. To put it more simply, if you look at the hooves of the Surprise Twins pony, you'll see it says Hasbro Int'l - a collaborative Hasbro based in Europe which produced MLP after the US line ended.

What we're talking about here is not distribution in different countries or regional exclusives which were produced by local Hasbro in different areas of the world. We're talking about actively selected other companies who produced the ponies for Hasbro. Sunribbon doesn't need licencing on her card because she isn't licenced - but the Top Toys argentinian ponies do, because they are.

Of course, into this is the grey area of European made ponies sold under the hasbro umbrella. The piggy ponies are a separate extreme entity, but the difference between the italian ponies sold in Italy under the special licence and the Italian ponies sold in other parts of Europe on other cards in other languages is a blurry one sometimes. My MOC Italian Hopscotch (German Card) says all the usual copyright for a Hasbro pony and then made in Italy instead of Made in China. Her card also has the label on it that says she is an original Hasbro pony - so we can say she's not licensed but made by Hasbro in Europe directly for sale there. But there are Italian ponies with very distinctive different labelling and Italy has a unique style of packaging as well. And some of them DO have different criteria.

Let's not forget that Hasbro in the US produced one set in Thailand, but we don't think of that as needing licencing messages on the boxes...I think for the most part that exported Italian and French ponies may also be Hasbro directly. Spanish ones are also complex...I just looked at the info on Rocio's card and it doesn't mention a licence but Hasbro own MB by that point, so is a licence even necessary at that point? Probably not...?

I would love to know exactly what the copyright convention their cards mention relates to though...from what is said on Hopscotch's card it sounds like it was something to do with the division of copyright/assets/whatever relating to the merger of Hasbro and Milton Bradley.

Whatever was going on in Europe at this point, it didn't spread to the UK - except in Sundance and some of the family ponies. Everything sold here aside those was either China or HK (even the set which in the US is made in Thailand), and all of it officially distributed through Hasbro, not under licence - by Hasbro UK in first Berkshire then later, Gwent. Hasbro UK is still in Gwent.

Going back to S.A - it is interesting that she refers to it that way. I am in no way brave enough or convinced enough either way to state that I think the S.A ponies are real Hasbro ponies or bootlegs, not least because of all the money tied up in them. I still think we need much more information about them before we can be sure.
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pikkupapupata on April 17, 2018, 03:49:03 PM
Sorry, I'm not meaning to take away from South Africa, or imply that the US are central; I was writing as I was thinking and thought that everything was connected to the goal of understanding more about the South African ponies by looking at some of these details generally. I think I'm showing how little I understand about how these things work, and I may have been making or implying improper connections unintentionally. Your breakdown did make everything a bit clearer, though.

I found it interesting too how she termed them; she seems to know a lot about them, but that terminology seems so definitive when there are still so many questions. It could be subjective, but it could mean something, too.

These ponies are so mysterious!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: skyline on April 17, 2018, 03:49:27 PM
For what it's worth: I grew up in Australia, but my grandmother lived in Johannesburg my whole childhood, and we would visit her at least once a year for the bulk of the 90s. She bought me MANY ponies from local sources, but the ones I remember most clearly were First Tooth Baby Ponies - she loved spoiling me and my sister, and some of my best memories of her & her house were opening the cupboards in the guest room that she would stash with presents for us. For sure she gave me FT Baby Lickety Split, FT Baby Fifi, FT Baby Bouncy, and FT Baby North Star, but I'm pretty sure there were others as well.

I also distinctly remember a friend in the neighbourhood who had a lot of first group princess ponies (Princess Sparkle stands out in my memory), and the Dance N Prance puzzle...

Funnily enough, though we would go to department & toy stores, I have absolutely zero recollection of these Nirvana variants. All my experiences with MLP in South Africa were later release official ponies I had seen on backcards & in catalogues elsewhere. The local kids' TV station, K-TV, had My Little Pony N Friends on high rotation.
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on April 17, 2018, 03:55:23 PM
@Skyline - interesting o.O. Do you remember if your friend in the neighbourhood had dragons or bushwoolies or neither of the above with her princesses?

Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: skyline on April 17, 2018, 03:59:27 PM
@Skyline - interesting o.O. Do you remember if your friend in the neighbourhood had dragons or bushwoolies or neither of the above with her princesses?



That is a great question, and one I often wracked my brain about when I started re-collecting in the early 2000s. I could never make up my mind. Both felt familiar, but I couldn't remember if the bushwoolie memory came from Quest of The Princess Ponies, and the dragon memory from brochures. I think the reality is that by the time I hung out with her and played with her ponies she had lost most of the accessories, so it's impossible to know if they were US or UK release. I WANT to say UK, but that feels very un-scientific.
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ZuluSeashell on May 04, 2018, 05:43:09 AM
This is a lovely Spotlight thanks!

I am from SA and have 7 SA ponies! I'd love to post pic but it doesn't seem to let me for some reason...?

I have SA Seashell, Cotton Candy, Applejack, Heartthrob, Moonstone, Skydancer, Blossom.

I also have an SA Seashell up for sale on the Nirvana sales page for anyone who is interested... pretty much mint condition.

xxx
ZuluSeashell :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 04, 2018, 03:10:52 PM
I am glad you enjoyed the spotlight zuluseashell :)

Did you have them all from new as a child? What a collection to have 7 of them :D

Can you post a link to your pictures? :)

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ZuluSeashell on May 14, 2018, 05:51:11 AM
Hi there,

No only Seashell and Applejack are from my childhood. The rest I have picked up whilst thrifting... but few and far between... ive been collecting since i was a little girl.

Just to clarify; I was 'Seashell" who has the website with that info on Applejack and Seashell that was mentioned above in this thread. I left the arena and trading post several years ago and put pony collecting on hold as life 'got in the way'. When i re-joined - last year- I had to create a new name so I became 'ZuluSeashell". It was me who put up the pics on the Trading Post of the backcards in November last year. Way back then i saved the pics as 'fakiebackcardgif1' because to me they were always 'not the real thing' when I was a kid. As I said long ago on my old website, I was disappointing when given those ponies because they looked so different and poorly made. I always wanted sitting seashell and I told my parents her name then I was given green SA seashell much to my disappointment. Obviously I had no idea that they were actually going to be valuable!!

Also by way of clarifying: SA first got the Year2 earth ponies from the US. We never (as far as I know) got the Year1 ponies. None of my friends had the collector flat foot ponies. Some lucky girls got ponies on visits to to europe though. My very first pony was Bowtie when I was 4 years old. After the year 2 ponies very released and year 3 started arriving in SA this set of SA moulds started appearing. At about the same time. The US and UK ponies we got here very very expensive. The SA ones were much cheaper.

From the year two ponies not the whole set was found equally. For example I don't recall ever seeing Sunbeam until i discovered ebay 20 years later... I have a feeling with the Apartheid system and sanctions in place back then we 'took whatever we could get' and we got end of ranges often and only part sets of things. We were at least a year behind in the ranges. For example i only got my Bowtie a year after the range was released overseas.

We tended to get imports of US, UK and interestingly Italian ponies... so a real range!

A friend of mine is going to post some backcards later (i can't seem to upload photos here for some reason so she's gonna do it). Shes also from SA as am I. She will also post a pic of my SA girls. I have 7 - Applejack, Seashell, Moonstone, Skydance, Heart throb, Cotton candy and Blossom.

Anyway please ask me if you want to know anything else... I was such a keen collector my whole childhood and was obsessive with my lists of what ponies i had etc.
As for Prima Toys and where the SA girls were actually made, no one knows... not even the prima people. They do not have records from so far back.

Hope this info helps :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on May 14, 2018, 12:33:38 PM
@ZuluSeashell

:lovey: :lovey: :lovey: :lovey:

I feel like mysteries are about to be solved. Also, backcards :lovey:
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 14, 2018, 03:57:43 PM
ZuluSeashell :bigups: I did wonder if it was you, I remember finding your website and drooling over your SA Seashell! However I can well imagine as a child, your disappointment at your Seashell not being lilac and not sitting (incidentally, Seashell was the pony I always wanted as a child and never got)

Do you ever recall a SA Sprinkles? She is a rumour I picked up of your website ^.^

Love pkw xxx

Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ZuluSeashell on May 14, 2018, 11:31:42 PM
 pinkkittywinks, that was another confusion from my childhood. On my webpage I referred to a Sprinkles. But it was because my Neighbour when I was a kid had her and mistakenly called her sprinkles...she was in fact HeartThrob. But the symbols were not clearly stamped in and looked more like Sprinkles symbol than heartthrob’s  :P

Nice to reconnect with you all after all these years!! :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Leikin on May 15, 2018, 07:31:50 AM
pinkkittywinks, that was another confusion from my childhood. On my webpage I referred to a Sprinkles. But it was because my Neighbour when I was a kid had her and mistakenly called her sprinkles...she was in fact HeartThrob. But the symbols were not clearly stamped in and looked more like Sprinkles symbol than heartthrob’s  :P

Nice to reconnect with you all after all these years!! :)

Oh, nice to meet you! I remember your site as well from back then. The SA ponies where such a mystery :)
And I suspected that rumored Sprinkles to be Heart Throb. Neat to finally have it confirmed :)
Welcome back!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ZuluSeashell on May 15, 2018, 07:51:01 AM
Thank you Leikin :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 15, 2018, 10:32:31 AM
pinkkittywinks, that was another confusion from my childhood. On my webpage I referred to a Sprinkles. But it was because my Neighbour when I was a kid had her and mistakenly called her sprinkles...she was in fact HeartThrob. But the symbols were not clearly stamped in and looked more like Sprinkles symbol than heartthrob’s  :P

Nice to reconnect with you all after all these years!! :)

Thank you so much for confirming the Sprinkles was indeed Heartthrob :bigups: I too suspected it was a case of "mistaken identity" but I couldn't be 100% with out proof :)

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: NightGliderSA on May 15, 2018, 10:35:43 AM
Hello all!

I am the friend mentioned by ZuluSeashell and will be posting her photo's on her behalf. Please note: None of these photo's are mine and neither are the backcards or the ponies. They all belong to ZuluSeashell  :)

Firstly... PONIES
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Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 15, 2018, 10:42:03 AM
:faint:

Those backcards..... woooooooooow!!!!

Thank you so much Nightglider and zuluseashell :heart:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ZuluSeashell on May 15, 2018, 10:43:25 AM
Thank you NightGliderSA for posting and assisting with my technological incompetence 😂 haha!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: NightGliderSA on May 15, 2018, 10:50:54 AM
Thank you NightGliderSA for posting and assisting with my technological incompetence 😂 haha!

Pleasure  :)
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Leikin on May 16, 2018, 06:40:01 AM
Oh, love the Fairytale cards! The back art is just so different with the rainbow :)

Which pony did came on the SA card?  Is it africaans as the other language?

And those ponies are just stunning! :heart:
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 16, 2018, 07:52:51 AM
Oh, love the Fairytale cards! The back art is just so different with the rainbow :)

Which pony did came on the SA card?  Is it africaans as the other language?

And those ponies are just stunning! :heart:

Zuluseashell believes it was Seashell's card :) The backcard story is the same in both languages ^.^

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on May 16, 2018, 12:01:00 PM
:lovey: Awesome pictures.
The Surprise/Gusty etc card breaks my heart every time I see it, with the UK stuff on the bottom. We were meant to have those and they took them from us and gave them to everyone else instead :'(

I have never forgiven Hasbro for that decision :P
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 16, 2018, 02:28:52 PM
:lovey: Awesome pictures.
The Surprise/Gusty etc card breaks my heart every time I see it, with the UK stuff on the bottom. We were meant to have those and they took them from us and gave them to everyone else instead :'(

I have never forgiven Hasbro for that decision :P

I knew that would upset you :hug: If the Flutterbye card had been vertical it would have just rubbed salt into the wound :hug:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on May 16, 2018, 02:55:53 PM
:lovey: Awesome pictures.
The Surprise/Gusty etc card breaks my heart every time I see it, with the UK stuff on the bottom. We were meant to have those and they took them from us and gave them to everyone else instead :'(

I have never forgiven Hasbro for that decision :P

I knew that would upset you :hug: If the Flutterbye card had been vertical it would have just rubbed salt into the wound :hug:

Love pkw xxx

Well, I do like to see the cards, because I love the cards, but it does break my heart because it's proof of how much we were betrayed. They made us love those characters and focused the bulk of the early year stories on ponies we were never able to buy. Despite that, they made them, packaged them in UK packages and then sent them abroad. The rainbow card is also upsetting but not as much as this one. I would have given a lot as a kid to have seen those in stores. I don't suppose I will ever get over the fact they had them and yet sent them overseas. Even now I still haven't managed to obtain a pony with that backcard, either. It's just a whole bunch of sad.

Oh well. At least I know they did make some kids happy, somewhere :/
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: NightGliderSA on May 17, 2018, 02:28:03 AM
Sorry Taffeta,

This wasn't posted to make you feel sad  :(
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ZuluSeashell on May 17, 2018, 04:49:54 AM
oh dear, Sorry Taffeta!
But if it helps, it did make many SA kids very happy!

So strange though... I wonder what Hasbro's thinking was? :|
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Taffeta on May 17, 2018, 06:15:07 AM
Oh, it's not your faults! It's Hasbro UK's. I don't know what the rationale was at all :'( I mean, if you aren't going to sell the pony here, don't put the character in the comics and books and on the merchandise..:'(
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Opiumskye on June 10, 2018, 01:57:12 AM
Hi everyone

So I just recently found something that proves that Prima Toys was licensed by Hasbro in the 80s :) https://photos.app.goo.gl/H8dGpFR7hXyVr8sLA
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 11, 2018, 07:32:53 AM
Hi everyone

So I just recently found something that proves that Prima Toys was licensed by Hasbro in the 80s :) https://photos.app.goo.gl/H8dGpFR7hXyVr8sLA

Amazing find!

Is that the bottom of a bubble bath or money box? I cannot tell :blush:

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Opiumskye on June 11, 2018, 11:52:32 AM
It's the Money Box :D https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jq4YiyShdDCToNHP6

Any idea on the value of something like this?
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 11, 2018, 12:17:15 PM
I have no idea! It looks quite different to the money boxes I have seen, I am no expert in merch. I suggest the corral would be the best place to ask :)

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Opiumskye on June 12, 2018, 12:21:47 AM
Ok great, thank you :D
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: ZuluSeashell on June 13, 2018, 01:45:15 AM
Awesome!!!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: pinkkittywinks on June 13, 2018, 06:49:50 AM
I posted in the corral, but I wanted to post this here too.

The stamp used to make money box Blossom looks almost identical to the one use on actual SA Blossom.

The Bubbles symbols appear the same, but not as detailed, they money box is lacking the smaller dots.

Love pkw xxx

Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Leikin on June 13, 2018, 07:42:53 AM
nice find :)  Love rainbow haired Blossom ^^
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Opiumskye on June 13, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
Oh
I posted in the corral, but I wanted to post this here too.

The stamp used to make money box Blossom looks almost identical to the one use on actual SA Blossom.

The Bubbles symbols appear the same, but not as detailed, they money box is lacking the smaller dots.

Love pkw xxx



Oh wow, that's interesting. The people at Prima Toys were obviously not that interested in the accuracy of colours haha but it makes for an interesting Pony - Blossom's cousin from SA  :devious:
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Jennifer2004 on July 01, 2018, 10:37:43 AM
Thanks so much for this spotlight. Love to learn about Nirvana ponies and see all these awesome photos!
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: NightGliderSA on July 12, 2018, 02:12:54 AM
Update: as promised I did meet up with the collector who told me that she still had her ponies MIB.

And while she DOES have many ponies MIB, this is true, they are actually G3 and newer. Not G1. So I cannot actually give new information on SA G1's after all - sorry everyone! We will just have to keep on searching.
Title: Re: MLPArena Nirvana Spotlight: South African Ponies by pinkkittywinks
Post by: Foxtale on July 26, 2018, 09:11:01 PM
I love reading the spotlights they are so fascinating :D
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