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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Loa on March 08, 2019, 07:10:14 PM
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Are they considered "vintage"?
I've seen a few auctions where they are labelled as such, and I have snorted dismissively.
But then I had a wee pause. Are they now 'vintage'?!
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I mean, I grew up with them and so I would definitely say they have the nostalgic values that I would associate with something vintage... but I am a youngster, haha. I'm 20 years old.
But then, on the other hand, it is weird to view something I played with as a kid as vintage. Does that mean I'm vintage? I certainly don't feel that way.
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Hmm... personally I think they are still a little young to be called vintage. When did the community/sellers start referring to G1s that way?
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I think rule of thumb for things to be called 'vintage' is that they're at least 20 years old. But I'm with you on scoffing at G3's being vintage, they're still too new for me. Or I'm just too old. :huh:
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Dang. Where did the time go?
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That was the generation I grew up with...honestly, where has time gone?! I haven’t even graduated high school, and man...feel so old hearing g3 as “vintage.”
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hmmmm i saw those too and thought it was funny, i think something should be at least 25years, 30 years yeah. btw how long have we been calling the G1's vintage?
you gota think of the early 80s... 35 years plus then the late 80s....
I mean, I grew up with them and so I would definitely say they have the nostalgic values that I would associate with something vintage... but I am a youngster, haha. I'm 20 years old.
But then, on the other hand, it is weird to view something I played with as a kid as vintage. Does that mean I'm vintage? I certainly don't feel that way.
thats just it, you are still very young and had them as a kid, for me after seeing your comment its hard to call them vintage.
we are in 2019 and they came out? ...early 2000's? yeah, not vintage yet imo :P ;)
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I think they are, but it seems weird! When I started collecting G1 in the early 00’s they were considered ‘vintage’ and they were only just 20 years old. I remember older people finding it hilarious when I described them as vintage toys though.
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I am pretty sure ebay sellers labelled G1 vintage long before we did. G3 would be 16 this year, which is not vintage in my view. It's still quite a way off 20 and even if it got to 20 I agree that probably not until 25 would that be a realistic term.
I guess it also depends how you interpret the term vintage.
But no. Not for me. But I understand why it happens on ebay, because some sellers can't tell generations apart, and others want to distinguish Everything Else from G4.
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geez... i didn't realise how long ago it was.
ebay sellers just want to put EVERYTHING in their title, though. not g4 = vintage or retro :P (or both, as i have seen before)
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I think what stops many from considering G3 vintage (probably even in the future when the line is 20+ years old) is that they do still look really modern. I'm not up to date with how toy aisles look like at supermarkets, but I'd bet G3 ponies wouldn't look out of place, like G1s would.
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I go with the standard "anything 20 years or older is vintage" so yeah, they're almost there! And most G2 ponies are already there.
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I thought classification went retro, vintage, antique, primitive? I know the classifications aren't 100% clear especially when sellers just use them wily nily to their benefit. But regardless I can't see g3 as vintage yet, maybe after the go around the 20 year bend it's still a bit early.
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I mean, I grew up with them and so I would definitely say they have the nostalgic values that I would associate with something vintage... but I am a youngster, haha. I'm 20 years old.
But then, on the other hand, it is weird to view something I played with as a kid as vintage. Does that mean I'm vintage? I certainly don't feel that way.
Haha, I second this 100% :biggrin:
If G3's are vintage, does that mean that G1's are becoming... Antique? ;) :lol:
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I mean, I grew up with them and so I would definitely say they have the nostalgic values that I would associate with something vintage... but I am a youngster, haha. I'm 20 years old.
But then, on the other hand, it is weird to view something I played with as a kid as vintage. Does that mean I'm vintage? I certainly don't feel that way.
Haha, I second this 100% :biggrin:
If G3's are vintage, does that mean that G1's are becoming... Antique? ;) :lol:
Haha, don't think they're anywhere near 100 yet!
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Way too new, but getting there.
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20 years old = vintage to me.
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I normally consider 20+ vintage when it comes to toys, but they're just on the cusp. I still see them way more often than G1, haha.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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The latest ones were just released 10 years ago, so I'd hesitate to label them as being vintage. Maybe in, like, 5 years I'll be more willing to label them as such.
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The latest ones were just released 10 years ago, so I'd hesitate to label them as being vintage. Maybe in, like, 5 years I'll be more willing to label them as such.
That's what I was thinking - the oldest ones are almost 20, but the newest ones are definitely not! I would be hesitant to say any toy from the 2000s is vintage.
It is scaring me how old the early G3s are getting though.
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Egads! Get off my lawn, you whippersnappers! *waves cane* I'm not OLD!
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dang making me feel old
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I thought classification went retro, vintage, antique, primitive? I know the classifications aren't 100% clear especially when sellers just use them wily nily to their benefit. But regardless I can't see g3 as vintage yet, maybe after the go around the 20 year bend it's still a bit early.
don't forgot ancient :lol:
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I think what stops many from considering G3 vintage (probably even in the future when the line is 20+ years old) is that they do still look really modern. I'm not up to date with how toy aisles look like at supermarkets, but I'd bet G3 ponies wouldn't look out of place, like G1s would.
True. G1s have a certain look and aesthetic that toys longer have nowadays. They have soft, simple color schemes with very basic (yet appealing and cute) eyes and symbols. Even the TAF's have very organic looking symbols that look like they came from a painting or something.
Nowadays toys have huge eyes with quite garish color schemes that consist of mostly only bright pink or a very artificial blue. Anything that is sparkly has a weird glossy and hard look to it. oh and they're blobby spheres 90% of the time. They look and feel so artificial....
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@_@ God I just can't believe G3 is almost 20. Makes sense, they were my childhood ponies and I'm 21 now. But jesus... lol.
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I figure only the G3s who have hit 20 years old are vintage . . . so original Kimono will hit "vintage" way sooner than Core 7 Starsong.
But yeah, honestly they were released a long time ago, which I only fully realized when ADULTS started showing up in the community talking about the G3s they had in their childhood. It was definitely a shock at first, ha ha! Time marches on . . .
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I thought classification went retro, vintage, antique, primitive? I know the classifications aren't 100% clear especially when sellers just use them wily nily to their benefit. But regardless I can't see g3 as vintage yet, maybe after the go around the 20 year bend it's still a bit early.
don't forgot ancient :lol:
Seeing all these distinctions and thinking about G3 as vintage, I am wondering what it makes people who grew up with G1 o.o. Antique? Ancient? XD
I love that people who grew up with G3 are now a part of our community as adults. It shows the pony love continuing and it didn't really happen so much with G2 because their sales were so restricted really in comparison. G3 were really popular when they were out among collectors here, and it's not hard to understand why kids who grew up with them would want to collect them - though maybe G4 and all the publicity is part of that too, reminding adults of their childhood toys and nostalgia.
Still not old enough to me to be vintage...
Although as I said before, it does depend how you define vintage. If you see it like wine, you can have a vintage year. So Kimono etc are MLP of 2003 vintage in that sense. And vintage can also be an original product of some kind - and these are legit MLPs, so they might be seen as vintage there too.
But in age terms, 25 and not a moment sooner :) And as LM said, it goes by individual pony release and their years.
Putting it in perspective, the youngest G1 ponies (Dutch release) are still only 24 this year. Those are quite exceptional in their limited release, so if you think even mainstream european ponies from 1994 have only JUST reached 25. The last ponies in the US are 27. That's still quite young really. They are just about vintage. G2 and G3, not yet.
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The very last G3s released were the SDCC and Pony Fair exclusives in 2011. That's only eight years ago, so I'm not ready to go "vintage G3" yet. But I can see why they're being labeled as such. There is SO. MUCH. G4. out there that it becomes harder to find anything else in a general search.
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I did a little research on the terminology. It differs a little between auction houses and car collectors but it seems to me that Classic refers to cars that are 20 yrs old, Antique in cars is 45 years old, and Vintage cars were made between 1919 and 1930.
https://www.wcshipping.com/blog/classics-cars-vs-vintage-vs-antique
With the auction house, Antique is anything 100 years or older and Vintage refers to something at least 50 years old. Retro imitates an older style.
http://calauctions.com/the-difference-between-vintage-antique-and-retro/
This site says antique is 100, true vintage is 50, and vintage is between 20 and 100.
https://www.retrokids.com/blogs/news/what-s-the-difference-between-vintage-and-retro
So I'd say G3s are bordering on "Classic" while G1s could hold the distinction of "True Vintage" within the Pony community, given that the oldest ones are closest to being 50 years old. G2 would then be "Vintage" while G4 is "Contemporary" but I wouldn't expect people selling on eBay to use those terms. Most people on eBay are just trying to sell their item and will put what they think will get attention of buyers.
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I've always heard "20 years is vintage, 50 years or older is antique". Some people / collectors have different definitions, but those are the ones I hear the most often, and the ones I go with. :)
I think G3 doesn't seem that old because a lot of us remember them being "new". But for those of us who grew up with G1, think back to when you were 5 years old. (For me that would have been 1984.) Would a toy from the 1960s have seemed "not that old" to you back then? To me it would have seemed ancient!
I'm sure a lot of 40-somethings back then were also saying "Listen, 1964 wasn't that long ago." But, counterpoint, yes it was. :P Two full decades is a looong time. Anyway, that's why I go with "20 years or older = vintage." It seems right.
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When Wondermint had her display of ponies in Dudley museum, I remember being there with my Dad and there were some kids with their parents, telling their parents proudly how the G3 ponies were the 'old ponies' and the G4 the 'new ponies'. It gave me a different perspective that to those kids the G1s were what the wartime tin soldiers or 50s bakalite dolls were to me visiting museums as a kid - so that is a great point. I also had that feeling teaching recently - teaching stuff that happened in my lifetime didn't seem like history, somehow xD. (I was born in 82).
But I think also the messed up categories and the complete wrecking of the listing system adds into the use of those terms. I am so sick of G4 rubbish coming up when I try to search for MOC items. And not all sellers will use the same search terms so it is so annoying. I don't want nor care about G4 merch MOC and I never will. Not being able to screen most of those out is a pain, so vintage is a term that seems to be used now to distinguish between "current" and "not current."
Just another reason to hate ebay.
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Reminds me of going to vintage car shows and the debate over vintage vs classic and where to draw the line. Get off my lawn kids! Wow! can't believe it's been that long, I was just getting started living on my own and going to jr college. G3 was my introduction to this forum *waves*.
Remember walking into Toys R Us and stumbling on a display of the first four, or was it six? My memory is fuzzy. :P And nearly died of shock, it was so much fun to buy them new and I still like finding them while thrifting.
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If something that was released while I was in high school is going to now be considered 'vintage', I'm not sure I can handle that. :yikes:
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Are they considered "vintage"?
I've seen a few auctions where they are labelled as such, and I have snorted dismissively.
But then I had a wee pause. Are they now 'vintage'?!
OMG
1. i feel so old now
2. never thought about it, it feels like it was yesterday that g3 ponies were rumbling the toys stores...
3. im not sure about the term vintage- i mean how many years should pass before something consider vintage? theres probably a real definitaion of the term.
but alas
G3 ponies are indeed getting older and older so eventuslly they will sell as vintage items.
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Wow- 20 years since those new fangled "G3"s came out. I still look around in super old toyshops (when I find them) in the hopes of finding some leftovers... haha
I do feel a bit old.
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G3 weren't really that much of a surprise if I remember right in the community. A lot was leaked out and then they showed up soon after in stores in the US. Around summer 2003 I am pretty sure, maybe even late spring. I graduated with Rainbow Dash and it was a tight deadline - my friend found her in Stoke TRU about 2 weeks before my ceremony in July, but they were out in the US before that as someone tried to send me one (but she ended up taking 6 months to get here!).
So we were eagerly hunting and playing catch up. Kind of like it was for the retros - the first find was a surprise but after that everyone's just been shelf watching.
It's been a long time since unexpected ponies have happened in stores for me :( Long gone are the days my parents could surprise me with a pony that I didn't see out yet...
*goes to look up old people stuff on ebay*
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The latest ones were just released 10 years ago, so I'd hesitate to label them as being vintage. Maybe in, like, 5 years I'll be more willing to label them as such.
that is also true ...
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I found a Party Cake at my local Rite Aide in 2011, so not that long ago :P And she lingered for several years until she disappeared one day. Kicking myself for not picking her up, that little bit of pony history.
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Personally I wouldn't even call the line vintage until the last ones are 20+... but that's because it makes me feel old. :P Yeah three-ish years ago I saw people listing later G3s and G4s on Etsy as vintage... noooo... I agree that the definition varies too widely.
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I think "retro" gets overused these days, too.. to me "retro" means something that is made to look like an older product, not something that is actually from that era. The Basic Fun ponies are retro.. the originals aren't.
But I do agree that probably a lot of the problem lies with eBay's lack of specific categories >.< It's a real pain trying to pick through eBay searches these days.
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Id say not for another 5-10 years.
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G3's came out in 2002 right? So 17 years. I know songs and such are oldies at 18 years, so I'd say 2020 is when they would be considered "vintage". Super weird that my childhood toys are so old.
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G3's came out in 2002 right? So 17 years. I know songs and such are oldies at 18 years, so I'd say 2020 is when they would be considered "vintage". Super weird that my childhood toys are so old.
IIRC 2002 is when they began making them, as this is the year some molds have stamped on them, but they began releasing in 2003.
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They're about to be called vintage. Personally, I can't even call G2 vintage because that's a term I associate with much older things.
I think "retro" gets overused these days, too.. to me "retro" means something that is made to look like an older product, not something that is actually from that era. The Basic Fun ponies are retro.. the originals aren't.
Truth and facts. Hence why Hasbro uses the words "classic" on the Basic Fun ponies and "retro" for the new G3ish ponies they released for SDCC and the M6 set, despite these molds being newer than the G4 reboot molds.
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G3's came out in 2002 right? So 17 years. I know songs and such are oldies at 18 years, so I'd say 2020 is when they would be considered "vintage". Super weird that my childhood toys are so old.
IIRC 2002 is when they began making them, as this is the year some molds have stamped on them, but they began releasing in 2003.
Oh wait Europe released them earlier, which is also probably why they're stamped that. Still production began then and even 2003. Wow
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Oh goodness please don't remind me D: Nope, nope...I refuse to believe it. It feels like only yesterday that I got my first pony.
I guess I'm considered vintage then, since I'm almost 22 years old :P
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I was pondering this the other day as well since ebay keeps labeling them as vintage as well. General rules are 20+ is vintage so maybe the very first year only? Such a loose term.
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Nope, not for another 10 years! :silly:
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G3's came out in 2002 right? So 17 years. I know songs and such are oldies at 18 years, so I'd say 2020 is when they would be considered "vintage". Super weird that my childhood toys are so old.
IIRC 2002 is when they began making them, as this is the year some molds have stamped on them, but they began releasing in 2003.
Oh wait Europe released them earlier, which is also probably why they're stamped that. Still production began then and even 2003. Wow
As far as I remember from when these came out, the US had them first and it was 2003. I graduated in July 2003 for my first degree and I needed Rainbow Dash for reasons to graduate with me. I first had someone send one from the US but she went astray. Then my friend found one in her local TRU and so I managed to get one just in time...so that would've been some time in July 2003.
I don't remember continental Europe getting them before the UK or I wouldn't have looked to get one from the US.
So I think no, they came out in the US first, and it was 2003. Some subsequent sets showed up in NZ first, but the original ponies started stateside. Pretty sure the whole first 50 stuff happened over there first as well.
But moulds sometimes have a prior year. A case in point, retro Pinwheel's hooves say 2018, but no pony in that pose came out last year.
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I think technically, they can be called that. But for me it feels so strange to call G3 ponies vintage because I still feel like I'm quite young! I'm going to be 23 this December, and so I grew up during G3...it just doesn't connect quite yet for me.
I'm sure many OG pony people here may have felt that way about G1 ponies and other toys from the 80's. Or perhaps they still do. It's just weird to think about it when you're also recalling how young or old you are/were when it was a thing.
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uuugghhh i'm too old :shocked:
imo, i think g3s can be called "vintage" when the last ones have turned 20. i think in general terms vintage is 50+ but i often see toy collecting communities bump it down to 20-25?
anyway if people are calling 2003 ponies "vintage" i think i have to go lie down *hobbles away with my cane* :drunk:
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I grew up with g3. I'm only 17 [almost 18] and the thought of g3 being considered almost vintage makes me feel old!