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Title: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 02, 2018, 09:11:37 PM
Ok everyone who is into Pokemon should have by now heard about the demo leaks for Pokemon Gold/Silver.

I'm looking at this list of the Pokemon and thinking "Man why didn't we get a fire bear?" or "Why didn't we get some of those baby Pokemon!?"

I think a lot of the designs were interesting and some of them were kind of "What in the blue blazes is THAT?!"

Which ones do you wish were in the game that never made it or never had a redesign for later?
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Safflower on June 02, 2018, 09:33:26 PM
Yes!!! I had a look through that spreadsheet, but it was very quick.

You have to wonder who leaked it though? Apparently it was an anonymous user...

I loved seeing how the sprites changed. I've been trying to keep in mind that some were placeholders, but some are... odd. Like Caterpie, for example.

I'm kinda glad Girafirig was made less creepy. It's pre-evolution was a bit creepy too!

All three Kanto starters being in the intro explains why just Charizard is in the final release!

Also, after the intro finished, a Pikachu minigame would play where you would catch music notes!

I hope people can translate it and get past the thing that has blocked off the rest of the game.

It really makes you think though... what other betas and unreleased Pokemon do we not know about?
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 02, 2018, 09:56:43 PM
Oh yes, Girafirig... Thankfully they didn't go with the route they designed in the first place.. also it's pre-evo made me think of the Gastly line..
One of the YouTubers I follow is trying to play through the demo... apparently there was supposed to be an aquarium and the safari zone.

From what I heard from other YouTuber is that one of the articles says Joto was supposed to be a lot bigger than what we got.
I kind of wish they had kept Noctowl's design (but gave it two legs visible at the very least)

Glad they didn't do Animon either XD
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Mewtwofan1 on June 02, 2018, 10:41:57 PM
I agree. Girafarig just looks creepy. I’m glad they redeveloped it. Kinda wonder what those scrapped, never made it into the game Pokémon were supposed to be. I used some of my knowledge from Japanese class to see what I could gather about the scrapped ones, (please excuse any errors. Fonts like that are somewhat difficult to read, and I am a beginner) and in order their names are:

Rinrin, evolving into berinrin. Possible reference to the large bells they both have?
Kotara, evolving into raitora. Seems like a somewhat pikachu looking Pokémon, so the rai part might be from the Japanese word for thunder.
Sorowara (I think), evolving into kyonpon. Not entirely sure where that came from
Urifun, evolving into waarifu. Again, not sure on the origins of that one.
The Pokédex looking entry below I can’t quite translate. Give me a bit of time, and I’ll get back on that one, and see what else I can pick out.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 03, 2018, 06:27:59 AM
I agree. Girafarig just looks creepy. I’m glad they redeveloped it. Kinda wonder what those scrapped, never made it into the game Pokémon were supposed to be. I used some of my knowledge from Japanese class to see what I could gather about the scrapped ones, (please excuse any errors. Fonts like that are somewhat difficult to read, and I am a beginner) and in order their names are:

Rinrin, evolving into berinrin. Possible reference to the large bells they both have?
Kotara, evolving into raitora. Seems like a somewhat pikachu looking Pokémon, so the rai part might be from the Japanese word for thunder.
Sorowara (I think), evolving into kyonpon. Not entirely sure where that came from
Urifun, evolving into waarifu. Again, not sure on the origins of that one.
The Pokédex looking entry below I can’t quite translate. Give me a bit of time, and I’ll get back on that one, and see what else I can pick out.

The spreadsheet I'm looking at has translated name (not sure if they are accurate) but the English names for Kotara and Raitora are Tigrette and Electiger (they both look like some sort of tiger mouse hybrids XD). It's quite possible that this line was an early design for a later Pokemon line.

Rinrin (Rinring) and Berurun (Bellboyant) may have been redesigned into Purrloin and Liepard but who knows on that one!

Urifun and Waarifu, I think the spreadsheet I have calls them Urufuman (Wolfman) and Wa-urufu (Warwolf) says they may have been early concepts for Swinub's line or Snover's line

Sorowara took me a moment to locate on the spreadsheet because the name is actually different XD I had to find Kyonpon lol. They named Sorowara as Norowara (Kurstraw) and Kyonpon as Kyonpan (Pangshi). They don't have what those two seem to come from other than Kyonpan is a panda of some sort and Norowara is some sort of cursed doll. My guess this is would have likely been an early concept of the later used Shuppet line
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: mewthemew on June 03, 2018, 08:53:18 AM
I think my favorites of the alpha pokemon are the middle evolution of Happa/chickorita. It just doesn't make any sense at all looking the way it does, but I want to think it's a possible prototype for the flabebe line.
Another one I like, and I can completely see why they didn't go for it is the twin ghosts pokemon that are before Girafarig coincidentally. They look way too close to Gastly, but I can't help but love them anyway. Maybe if they were in the games, they'd get an ability when G3 rolled around where sometimes they'd do more damage by chance because they're working together instead of fighting with each other, but also have a slightly lower chance to do 1/2 damage because of the opposite.
But by far, my most favorite alpha pokemon is Dandemew, or proto-hoppip. It's part cat, part flower, ALL ADORABLE!
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: emily_katie on June 03, 2018, 09:19:51 AM
I don't know their names but I love the little fat round tiger pokemon, I really wish they made it to the final cut because they would be some of my favourite pokemon!
I love the Porygon-2 prototype too!
I just love round pokemon :P
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 03, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
But by far, my most favorite alpha pokemon is Dandemew, or proto-hoppip. It's part cat, part flower, ALL ADORABLE!
I think most people who played Secret of Mana would agree that the concept of the Hoppip seemed to be inspired by the Rabbite XD (and I still want to add a t to Hoppip)
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on June 03, 2018, 04:28:39 PM
I actually realllly like old girafarig. It made the name make more sense, and I love the evil side much better than the tail we have right now.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 03, 2018, 05:10:33 PM
I actually realllly like old girafarig. It made the name make more sense, and I love the evil side much better than the tail we have right now.
I'm wondering how it would walk or more importantly, how would it go to the bathroom XD
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Stellaluna on June 03, 2018, 06:45:40 PM
I wish baby Growlithe, Meowth, Vulpix and Ponyta were real! Why did they scrap those?!

Electiger looks very goofy but I'd love to see him in the gams too.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Harmonie on June 03, 2018, 07:53:50 PM
So someone compiled some great fanart that is very similar looking to Sugimori and put it altogether and I thought I'd share.

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The one that I really wish were real is the proto-Raikou. TBH, I've never been a big fan of that legendary trio as they turned out. They're all quite over-designed when I set aside nostalgia.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 03, 2018, 08:14:37 PM
I wish baby Growlithe, Meowth, Vulpix and Ponyta were real! Why did they scrap those?!

Electiger looks very goofy but I'd love to see him in the gams too.
You and me both with the baby versions of those 4. At least with Growlithe and Vulpix as they are some of the more popular Gen 1 pokemon

Post Merge: June 03, 2018, 08:16:27 PM

So someone compiled some great fanart that is very similar looking to Sugimori and put it altogether and I thought I'd share.

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The one that I really wish were real is the proto-Raikou. TBH, I've never been a big fan of that legendary trio as they turned out. They're all quite over-designed when I set aside nostalgia.
Oh man that is very cool! I would love to have that as a poster!
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Mewtwofan1 on June 03, 2018, 09:27:56 PM
I actually realllly like old girafarig. It made the name make more sense, and I love the evil side much better than the tail we have right now.
I'm wondering how it would walk or more importantly, how would it go to the bathroom XD
I too wonder this...y’know, probably the same way as catdog. Or it just has no need to...no. It’s living, it eats, it must need a bathroom...why is thinking about Pokémon so hard?!
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Miniature Sheep on June 04, 2018, 03:30:19 AM
I actually realllly like old girafarig. It made the name make more sense, and I love the evil side much better than the tail we have right now.

I like the two-headed Girafarig too - it would make such a groovy plush! :D
The unused water Pokemon designs are really nice as well; that little frilly-looking manta ray is completely sublime and I love it.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 04, 2018, 04:22:06 AM
I actually realllly like old girafarig. It made the name make more sense, and I love the evil side much better than the tail we have right now.

I like the two-headed Girafarig too - it would make such a groovy plush! :D
The unused water Pokemon designs are really nice as well; that little frilly-looking manta ray is completely sublime and I love it.
I believe the frilly manta ray was called Rayleep and was a Mantine concept. I do kind of wish we had that one.

I'm glad they changed Politoed. I know the demo is floating around out there, kind of broken, but now I have to wonder if someone is going to make a rom hack of this version of the game XD
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Carrehz on June 04, 2018, 06:19:23 AM
Where are these english names coming from? Are they fan names? o.O

I LOVE the bell cats.. I so wish they'd made it to the final release. and omg the BABIES!!! Baby Meowth! Baby Vulpix!!! I really like proto-Girafarig too.. I wonder why they changed it, it's so much cooler than the final design (I mean, I love Girafarig, but, y'know).. and ohh man I've always loved Honooguma and those evolutions!!!!... and Twins!! So cool.. and proto-Leafeon, ooooh.. asdfghjkl I wish so many of these had made it into the final release!!!

aaaaaaa this demo leak is so EXCITING!!! It's been too long since I've been excited for Pokemon like this (wasn't really a fan of Sun/Moon) :D

ooohhh and I LOVE!! that fanart!!!! So cool, aaaa.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Safflower on June 04, 2018, 07:00:47 AM
I think the english names are coming from the team that was keeping it to themselves? They are called Team Spaceworld and had the ROM which they were translating. They were going to release an english patch of it but it leaked before they were able to finish. There is a spreadsheet with names, info, links, sprites, etc. They've translated some names already, but some are from fans. I think.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on June 04, 2018, 12:13:00 PM
Kinda wish some of these existed, while other ones that made it should have been cut.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 04, 2018, 04:17:11 PM
Where are these english names coming from? Are they fan names? o.O

I LOVE the bell cats.. I so wish they'd made it to the final release. and omg the BABIES!!! Baby Meowth! Baby Vulpix!!! I really like proto-Girafarig too.. I wonder why they changed it, it's so much cooler than the final design (I mean, I love Girafarig, but, y'know).. and ohh man I've always loved Honooguma and those evolutions!!!!... and Twins!! So cool.. and proto-Leafeon, ooooh.. asdfghjkl I wish so many of these had made it into the final release!!!

aaaaaaa this demo leak is so EXCITING!!! It's been too long since I've been excited for Pokemon like this (wasn't really a fan of Sun/Moon) :D

ooohhh and I LOVE!! that fanart!!!! So cool, aaaa.
I think the english names are coming from the team that was keeping it to themselves? They are called Team Spaceworld and had the ROM which they were translating. They were going to release an english patch of it but it leaked before they were able to finish. There is a spreadsheet with names, info, links, sprites, etc. They've translated some names already, but some are from fans. I think.
Yeah this is the spreadsheet I was linked to by a friend
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1B5epMdm1Wcvh33qFABpw-SO76uZt6WNSl0UsD5yq_dI/htmlview?sle=true#

If you don't want the html view you can take that part out of the url XD
Note that the name list on the left of the sheet is what was released officially in Gold/Silver and due to some of the Pokemon from the official not being on the spreadsheet they don't match up XD

It's quite possible the names are fan names for many of them. Lol I looked up the translation for Mikon (baby vulpix) and in literal translation to English... Microcomputer.

Monja, the Baby Tangela, translated name actually makes sense.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Carrehz on June 04, 2018, 05:09:55 PM
ah, yeah, as far as I can make out, it looks like the "English names" are just fan-translations made to go with that translated ROM they're working on, i.e. names made to match the official English names for the other Pokemon. Eh, I'll continue using the Japanese names, I'm not really a fan of most of the fan names tbh.
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 05, 2018, 04:35:31 AM
to me the English names of more official Pokemon don't make sense in how they got the names lol. Then again I don't know Japanese so I'm not familiar with the meanings of each of the character symbols XD

The Kana/Romaji might be a little off though XD Because I'm still confused with ミコン/mikon (every look up is related to electronics)
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: Taffeta on June 05, 2018, 08:33:50 AM

The spreadsheet I'm looking at has translated name (not sure if they are accurate) but the English names for Kotara and Raitora are Tigrette and Electiger (they both look like some sort of tiger mouse hybrids XD). It's quite possible that this line was an early design for a later Pokemon line.

Kotora, surely, in that case, rather than Kotara?

I have been out of the loop on Pokemon lately so this is all news to me, but that just struck me as tiger is tora, not tara, and kotora would be baby tiger...?

Raitora would be electric tiger so that makes sense..?
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: kestral_kitsune on June 05, 2018, 04:03:22 PM
i was gonna ask... wasn't Gold/Silver already released years ago? and ..also what the heck is up with some of these pokemon like the chikorita line
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on June 05, 2018, 04:12:57 PM
i was gonna ask... wasn't Gold/Silver already released years ago? and ..also what the heck is up with some of these pokemon like the chikorita line
Gold and Silver was released years ago. What was leaked was the demo that was going to be gold/silver before they made tons of changes.

Some of the designs are pretty neat and some are... um.. what the hey XD


The spreadsheet I'm looking at has translated name (not sure if they are accurate) but the English names for Kotara and Raitora are Tigrette and Electiger (they both look like some sort of tiger mouse hybrids XD). It's quite possible that this line was an early design for a later Pokemon line.

Kotora, surely, in that case, rather than Kotara?

I have been out of the loop on Pokemon lately so this is all news to me, but that just struck me as tiger is tora, not tara, and kotora would be baby tiger...?

Raitora would be electric tiger so that makes sense..?
Don't know lol. Like I said I don't think most of the stuff on the spreadsheet is 100% accurate XD
Title: Re: Lets talk about the Pokemon from the Gold/Silver Demo
Post by: kestral_kitsune on June 05, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
i was gonna ask... wasn't Gold/Silver already released years ago? and ..also what the heck is up with some of these pokemon like the chikorita line
Gold and Silver was released years ago. What was leaked was the demo that was going to be gold/silver before they made tons of changes.

Some of the designs are pretty neat and some are... um.. what the hey XD


The spreadsheet I'm looking at has translated name (not sure if they are accurate) but the English names for Kotara and Raitora are Tigrette and Electiger (they both look like some sort of tiger mouse hybrids XD). It's quite possible that this line was an early design for a later Pokemon line.

Kotora, surely, in that case, rather than Kotara?

I have been out of the loop on Pokemon lately so this is all news to me, but that just struck me as tiger is tora, not tara, and kotora would be baby tiger...?

Raitora would be electric tiger so that makes sense..?
Don't know lol. Like I said I don't think most of the stuff on the spreadsheet is 100% accurate XD

lol i was wondering
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