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Title: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 06, 2018, 12:59:07 PM
I've been thinking back on when I was a newbie collector and I realized I had a lot of misconceptions! I'm curious as to what other's misconceptions were :) Thought it would be fun to share them, so here we go!

Before I collected G1s, I thought they were ugly and were worth nothing. I then learned about nirvanas like South Africans and Takaras and ponies like Rapunzel, lol

At first I thought that the dates on G1 hooves were the year that they were made. I think this ones common, I see eBay sellers doing it a lot. After I got my first G1 I did some research and saw it was the year the mound was copyrighted, not the pony.

What about you?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: mewthemew on May 06, 2018, 01:14:47 PM
Wait, G1 hooves aren't the date they were made?! :O

I used to be one of those people that also thought G1 ponies were useless and ugly when I first got into MLP back in 2011 when I was 14.
For a while, I used to think that Sweetheart Sister ponies where knock-offs! Another one I had was, and I feel really bad for admitting this, I thought G3 ponies were G2 ponies because on My Little Wiki, it states that G2 ponies stopped in europe at around 2002. I live in the US I thought I had something really special with one of my early G3 ponies from 2002.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 06, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Since I never saw G2s in stores, I thought G3 was G2. :blush:

That G4s were larger, weirder looking 3.5s.

That Princess Luna and NMM were two different ponies.

I was surprised to discover that peekaboos and playtime baby brothers had moveable necks.




Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Zapper on May 06, 2018, 01:46:54 PM
When G4 rolled along I thought "brony" was a cute fandom name for older guys who liked MLP because of the G1 "Big Brother" ponies. Hoooo boy was I wrong about that  :lol:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 06, 2018, 02:05:08 PM
Wait, G1 hooves aren't the date they were made?! :O
Nope :) It's the copyright for the pose. For example, I think Applejack's pose says 1983 on it. Magic Hat, though, was not made in 1983! Lol, when I got my first G1s, I was showed my mother the "dates they were made." Oh, young Safflower... DJ was not made in 1984.

I'm enjoying reading everyone's responses!

I have another one: I thought McDonald's ponies were the only ponies to ever exist when I was really really young and only had G3 McDonald's ponies. I didn't know about actual ponies, just thought they were happy meal toys.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on May 06, 2018, 02:12:39 PM
I had the brony flu and used to think MLP Tales was G2.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 06, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
90% of the people who email me about a pony ID are also confused about the year/mould thing. It's a real barrier to people IDing ponies, apparently.

My biggest misconception...that My Little Pony made sense ;)

The more I collect, the less sense it all makes :)

Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: kissthethunder on May 06, 2018, 05:10:58 PM
I had the brony flu and used to think MLP Tales was G2.

This made me snort a bit XD All my love to all pony collectors, I mean no offense by that. It's nice to see people getting in touch with their fandom roots imho.

I remember when I was young I thought the yellow basket that came with dream castle actually came with applejack so she could go apple picking. Keep in mind I was also about 8 at the time XD
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: poniesthatsparkle on May 06, 2018, 06:22:48 PM
When I first began collecting ponies in 2014, I only collected G4 and thought the older generations were terrible. I also only really liked the series and had no interest in ponies outside of the Mane 6. The tables have turned completely and now I'm tired of the Mane 6 and the series, and I absolutely love G1-G3. And all it took was finding G1 Starglow in a drawer  ^^;

I also used to find it hard to tell G1 ponies and G3 ponies apart. Now that I own plenty of each I can't understand how that was ever a problem for me.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 06, 2018, 07:23:07 PM
When I first began collecting ponies in 2014, I only collected G4 and thought the older generations were terrible. I also only really liked the series and had no interest in ponies outside of the Mane 6. The tables have turned completely and now I'm tired of the Mane 6 and the series, and I absolutely love G1-G3. And all it took was finding G1 Starglow in a drawer  ^^;
I used to hate G1-3 but all it took was finding some G1s too! For me it was DJ, Blue Baby Ember, and Magic Star :) I also started out with G4 but lost interest in it!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on May 06, 2018, 10:01:13 PM
My mom told me that there were no real Sparkle ponies so I dismissed them as fakes when I was a kid, until I got one and it said Hasbro.

I referred to G2 Skyskimmer as Fluttershy until I got back into collecting 2 years ago. I got her as a toddler so forgot her name, and renamed her after either g3 or g4 Fluttershy.

I thought each gen was specific to a decade, and that the weirdly tall ponies like Pony Bride were the awkward in-between G1/G2.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: northstar3184 on May 06, 2018, 10:19:43 PM
I've shared this on other threads but I have three that come to mind:

1) As a child, my only point of reference for ponies' identities was the cartoon series, unless I got the ponies new. But about half of my herd was bought second-hand. So, I didn't understand why my "Gusty" had flowers as her symbol and a white streak in her hair, why my "Firefly" had ducks for her symbol, or why my "Posey" had hearts for hers. I just figured Hasbro made the ponies a little different from the cartoon series. I had no idea it was because I owned different ponies.

2) I thought the U.S. releases were all that existed. I had no idea that other countries had exclusives.

3) My only TE as a child was Sweet Stuff, who I'd gotten second-hand. I had assumed the only TE ponies in existence were the ones I'd seen in the cartoon series: Sweet Stuff, Masquerade, Whizzer, Locket, Fizzy, Gingerbread, and Galaxy (I didn't see the episode with Mimic until adulthood). I was very surprised to learn that there were about twice as many TEs as I had assumed.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 07, 2018, 01:51:20 AM
That reminds me of another one or two of mine.

I assumed the animators didn't know much about ponies as they kept getting names wrong. Particularly Sweetie. Even now Sweet Stuff makes me flinch.

I believed Paradise existed but not Truly or Cupcake. I thought they were just animated. Same with Scoops and Milkweed and Tumbleweed. Of course the Paradise i believed in didn't exist as I never heard of ss ponies as a kid.

In the UK the term so soft was used for plushes so I thought all ss ponies were plush until we found a Hippety Hop randomly at a car boot sale. I was sure someone had done something awful to her or that she was a fakie at first!

I thought Shady's hair glowed in the dark. She is the only one of my ponies from 1987 or before who still has curls because of that.

I believed Medley etc were sold here :(
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Zapper on May 07, 2018, 02:43:29 AM
When I first began collecting ponies in 2014, I only collected G4 and thought the older generations were terrible. I also only really liked the series and had no interest in ponies outside of the Mane 6. The tables have turned completely and now I'm tired of the Mane 6 and the series, and I absolutely love G1-G3. And all it took was finding G1 Starglow in a drawer  ^^;
I used to hate G1-3 but all it took was finding some G1s too! For me it was DJ, Blue Baby Ember, and Magic Star :) I also started out with G4 but lost interest in it!

Just asking out of interest, what did you hate so much about the older gens? I mean, hate is a rather strong feeling to have for something that got replaced by something you love(d). Like, I can understand the other way around. When something you love gets replaced by something you can't get into. 

But once in a while I read about ex-bronies saying they hated G1-G3 before checking it out and I'm like... bwuh? You hated something you weren't even interested in?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: reddsetgogirl on May 07, 2018, 03:32:03 AM
As a child I was given Pony Bride for Christmas. This confused me as I had never seen a boy pony so why would there be a bride? My mum was friends with the lady who ran the only toy store in my small hometown. I asked her if there were boy ponies and she said "no".

LIES! I found the Dream Valley website when I started collecting g3s as an adult. I learn about Big Brothers and am heartbroken that I didn't know they existed. I only had 4 real MLPs as a kid and many fakies but I'm sure my mum would have bought me a boy for Pony Bride to marry if she knew about them.  She later customised a fakie I already owned and named him Thunderbolt. She made him a little tuxedo so I could hold pony weddings.

Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 07, 2018, 03:46:56 AM
They released Confetti here as a bride a whole year before the Mountain Boys happened. I always found that amusing. The comic found a way to explain it but Confetti's box story is all about her getting ready for her wedding.

Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on May 07, 2018, 04:25:48 AM
When I was a kid I thought my Fakies were actual MLPs, it was only when I started collecting G3s late in their run that I found out my lovely fakies were not MLP!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Zapper on May 07, 2018, 05:59:28 AM
Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P

Thank Hasbro there were enough girl ponies she could marry.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 07, 2018, 07:12:47 AM
When I first began collecting ponies in 2014, I only collected G4 and thought the older generations were terrible. I also only really liked the series and had no interest in ponies outside of the Mane 6. The tables have turned completely and now I'm tired of the Mane 6 and the series, and I absolutely love G1-G3. And all it took was finding G1 Starglow in a drawer  ^^;
I used to hate G1-3 but all it took was finding some G1s too! For me it was DJ, Blue Baby Ember, and Magic Star :) I also started out with G4 but lost interest in it!

Just asking out of interest, what did you hate so much about the older gens? I mean, hate is a rather strong feeling to have for something that got replaced by something you love(d). Like, I can understand the other way around. When something you love gets replaced by something you can't get into. 

But once in a while I read about ex-bronies saying they hated G1-G3 before checking it out and I'm like... bwuh? You hated something you weren't even interested in?
I was about ten or eleven when I found my first G1s. I think it was just me being a child, lol. I had actually looked at the wiki before finding them and browsed some G1 ponies and art and decided they look ugly. I think my mom kept getting gens confused too and I had some misdericted anger. I didn't like G3 for the look and aesthetic, and tbh, G3 isn't my favorite gen today. I don't think I knew G2 even existed, actually!

Basically, I did research because it was pony, decided I hated them, and then got them in hand :) I think hating then loving G1s is a lot like people say for G2. They look weird until you see them irl, and then they are awesome :)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 07, 2018, 07:24:44 AM
Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P

Thank Hasbro there were enough girl ponies she could marry.

So your sayin we should introduce her to Pony Bride?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 07, 2018, 07:40:26 AM
Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P

Thank Hasbro there were enough girl ponies she could marry.

Yeah. What was more acceptable socially in the 2000s definitely not in the 1980s. Wysteria was just enlightened :) Confetti was screwed over.

I think people also use 'hate' sometimes more than it's needed. Although (and this is my impression) there is a culture of strong words in G4 fandom towards things - passionately like and dislike stuff. So I can see G1 being hated because it's not G4.

What I think is interesting is how many G4 people ultimately come to G1, and sometimes even drop G4 completely. I don't know why exactly it happens, except that maybe the mane 6 repetition just gets old if you're collecting the toys. It is interesting, though. G1 has the most longevity due to its age, but it is still capable of winning over people who started out avoiding it.

I grew up with G1 and I remember G2, G3 and G4 coming out, so I don't really understand what it's like coming in at a later gen and then looking back. It is really interesting now we have younger collectors who did grow up with the later generations bringing their different perspectives on stuff, and especially on the things that attracted them to G1 or a different generation.

I am really happy we have so many G3 collectors here now too. I have long hoped that it would happen that way, as G3 is a really nice and varied generation.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 07, 2018, 09:00:08 AM

My biggest misconception...that My Little Pony made sense ;)


:lmao: Same!!!

I was convinced there was an Argentina Starshine :(

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on May 07, 2018, 09:09:53 AM
Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P

Thank Hasbro there were enough girl ponies she could marry.
*side glance at Glory and Majesty* I can't be the only one who had a LGBT pony couple as a kid. Heck I even gad some transgender/genderfluid ponies since I couldn't decide on a gender for Ivy, g3 Minty, or g3 Applejack.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 07, 2018, 09:12:10 AM
Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P

Thank Hasbro there were enough girl ponies she could marry.
*side glance at Glory and Majesty* I can't be the only one who had a LGBT pony couple as a kid. Heck I even gad some transgender/genderfluid ponies since I couldn't decide on a gender for Ivy, g3 Minty, or g3 Applejack.
Difference between what people did in their childhood collections and what Hasbro would have got away with marketing in the 1980s. Mindsets then much more conservative than now.

My CJ and Snowflake often played boy ponies in my herd, though I don't think of them as boys. So I guess that happened in my childhood collection too.

@PKW - I'm now waiting for one to be discovered just to blow your mind ;)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Mami Tomoe on May 07, 2018, 09:12:38 AM
Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P

Thank Hasbro there were enough girl ponies she could marry.
*side glance at Glory and Majesty* I can't be the only one who had a LGBT pony couple as a kid. Heck I even gad some transgender/genderfluid ponies since I couldn't decide on a gender for Ivy, g3 Minty, or g3 Applejack.
my ponies were all lesbians
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on May 07, 2018, 09:18:46 AM
*side glance at Glory and Majesty* I can't be the only one who had a LGBT pony couple as a kid. Heck I even gad some transgender/genderfluid ponies since I couldn't decide on a gender for Ivy, g3 Minty, or g3 Applejack.
my ponies were all lesbians
I like you already. Also, is that an MST3K avatar?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Mami Tomoe on May 07, 2018, 09:33:41 AM
*side glance at Glory and Majesty* I can't be the only one who had a LGBT pony couple as a kid. Heck I even gad some transgender/genderfluid ponies since I couldn't decide on a gender for Ivy, g3 Minty, or g3 Applejack.
my ponies were all lesbians
I like you already. Also, is that an MST3K avatar?
it is
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 07, 2018, 07:54:49 PM
Add a few more years down the line and Hasbro releases Bride Wysteria with no boy ponies to marry  :P

Thank Hasbro there were enough girl ponies she could marry.

Yeah. What was more acceptable socially in the 2000s definitely not in the 1980s. Wysteria was just enlightened :) Confetti was screwed over.

I think people also use 'hate' sometimes more than it's needed. Although (and this is my impression) there is a culture of strong words in G4 fandom towards things - passionately like and dislike stuff. So I can see G1 being hated because it's not G4.

What I think is interesting is how many G4 people ultimately come to G1, and sometimes even drop G4 completely. I don't know why exactly it happens, except that maybe the mane 6 repetition just gets old if you're collecting the toys. It is interesting, though. G1 has the most longevity due to its age, but it is still capable of winning over people who started out avoiding it.

I grew up with G1 and I remember G2, G3 and G4 coming out, so I don't really understand what it's like coming in at a later gen and then looking back. It is really interesting now we have younger collectors who did grow up with the later generations bringing their different perspectives on stuff, and especially on the things that attracted them to G1 or a different generation.

I am really happy we have so many G3 collectors here now too. I have long hoped that it would happen that way, as G3 is a really nice and varied generation.
While I wasn't active in the brony and G4 community, I was still... there, I guess. I had OCs, I read fanfiction, I drew things... Though, I didn't talk to anybody, and I didn't share my content. I wasn't on any forums and I didn't read that G1 should be hated. Heck, I didn't even collect the figures. I still somehow adopted the mindset that if you don't really like G1, you hate it. Then I started to like G1. Then I realized 'oh, hey, ideas and mindsets that I have from liking and 'being' in the G4 community can be kinda crazy'. Though, I still do understand those mindsets and ideas. I think it's valuable too, as I understand (and now have) a lot of G1 collector mindsets and ideas too. I know what it's like to think G1s are worthless and to think they are one of the most valuable things and my life. I'm grateful for that :) (not trying to get all sappy and serious though lol it's not like it's religious or political issues haha)


My biggest misconception...that My Little Pony made sense ;)


:lmao: Same!!!

I was convinced there was an Argentina Starshine :(

Love pkw xxx
Starshine is my favorite. We really need this pony! Imagine what she would be like... Bright, rainbow hair colors, bold symbol, classic pose... :heart:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 08, 2018, 02:34:37 AM
I personally don't mind G4 fans hating G1, providing they are educated enough about G1 to form that opinion. I think what annoys folk is the fact most of the time it's hatred in ignorance. And that's the worst kind of hatred in all walks of life. So it isn't political or important when it's ponies, but if someone can hate something without really understanding it or bothering to find out about it - that can transfer to real life opinions too. So I guess it is serious, deep down because of that?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: poniesthatsparkle on May 08, 2018, 05:43:09 AM
When I first began collecting ponies in 2014, I only collected G4 and thought the older generations were terrible. I also only really liked the series and had no interest in ponies outside of the Mane 6. The tables have turned completely and now I'm tired of the Mane 6 and the series, and I absolutely love G1-G3. And all it took was finding G1 Starglow in a drawer  ^^;
I used to hate G1-3 but all it took was finding some G1s too! For me it was DJ, Blue Baby Ember, and Magic Star :) I also started out with G4 but lost interest in it!

Just asking out of interest, what did you hate so much about the older gens? I mean, hate is a rather strong feeling to have for something that got replaced by something you love(d). Like, I can understand the other way around. When something you love gets replaced by something you can't get into. 

But once in a while I read about ex-bronies saying they hated G1-G3 before checking it out and I'm like... bwuh? You hated something you weren't even interested in?

I honestly don't remember what it was that made me avoid them. Perhaps it was the cartoons, maybe the way they looked. Whatever it was I'm happy that I got over it and learned to love them.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 08, 2018, 07:00:13 AM
I personally don't mind G4 fans hating G1, providing they are educated enough about G1 to form that opinion. I think what annoys folk is the fact most of the time it's hatred in ignorance. And that's the worst kind of hatred in all walks of life. So it isn't political or important when it's ponies, but if someone can hate something without really understanding it or bothering to find out about it - that can transfer to real life opinions too. So I guess it is serious, deep down because of that?
Yeah. If someone is hating out of ignorance, and it's ponies, its probably more serious than that because it can move to more serious issues.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on May 08, 2018, 07:22:14 AM
Yes, the year-on-hoof thing got me too, but I have to say that this was just when I was a child. When I first entered the online pony community as an adult, I learned pretty quickly that I was wrong.

1) As a child, my only point of reference for ponies' identities was the cartoon series, unless I got the ponies new. But about half of my herd was bought second-hand. So, I didn't understand why my "Gusty" had flowers as her symbol and a white streak in her hair, why my "Firefly" had ducks for her symbol, or why my "Posey" had hearts for hers. I just figured Hasbro made the ponies a little different from the cartoon series. I had no idea it was because I owned different ponies.

This so much! When I was young I was so happy when I got Baby Shady, because she was in the cartoon. That she had a yawning sun and a tiny moon for a symbol was just a detail. :P
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Jocelyn on May 08, 2018, 06:58:01 PM
I started with G4, but really wanted to find a G1 in the wild. I kind of knew what they looked like; a bit like hippos to me, and had symbols on the butt. Those were my defining factors...So when I found my first one at Goodwill, Rainbow Curl Ringlets, I thought she was a fakie. Because her symbol was weird and not even on her butt! I was disappointed, then pretty confused when I tried to look her up on Dream Valley (defining features? Is she flocked? Uhh...what's that?), but ultimately it came around to being happy, because she was in fact a G1 :)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: ThePoneZone on May 08, 2018, 08:08:44 PM
I hope this doesn't offend anybody but here it goes.

I'm on the opposite side of the fence. I'm only in my late 20's, but I grew up with hand-me-down G1-3 tapes and toys from my mother/sister. When G4 came out, I thought it looked lazy and flat like every other cheap flash cartoon that's plaguing TV nowadays. My first misconception. Turns out it has more effort in it than most.

Then the fandom interaction came. I had a few old MLP drawings on my DA that suddenly got bombarded with "EW WHY ARE THEY SO FAT AND UGLY!?", "They look like donkeys/hippos" and the ever so popular "Kill it with fire". Most of the hate seemed to stem from Mysterious Mr. Enter's G3 """"reviews"""" and his vitriol for anything pre-G4.

I ended up deleting my old pony art just to stop the hate it was getting. I never had backups so those are gone forever. Oh well, I've made a couple new ones since then. Because of my experience, I labelled bronies as horrible people for a while. 2nd Misconception, 'cause most of my current friends are bronies and are awesome people.

After a while I tuned into some later seasons of G4 recommended to me by some of my brony friends and liked it well enough. It's a good show. I'm not a fan of most of the songs or the designs (i do like chrysalis and the old changelings) but it's a decent show and I'm sorry I backlash-hated it because of the hate the old gens were getting.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Wardah on May 08, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
I personally don't mind G4 fans hating G1, providing they are educated enough about G1 to form that opinion. I think what annoys folk is the fact most of the time it's hatred in ignorance. And that's the worst kind of hatred in all walks of life. So it isn't political or important when it's ponies, but if someone can hate something without really understanding it or bothering to find out about it - that can transfer to real life opinions too. So I guess it is serious, deep down because of that?
Yeah. If someone is hating out of ignorance, and it's ponies, its probably more serious than that because it can move to more serious issues.

I don't think someone needs to research G1 in depth to decide they don't like it. If G1 doesn't vibe with a person then that's ok. But for Celestia's sake if you (general you) don't like something and other people do then let them like the thing. It's annoying when people use their dislike of a thing as a way to hold themselves above those that like it.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on May 08, 2018, 09:06:44 PM
I personally don't mind G4 fans hating G1, providing they are educated enough about G1 to form that opinion. I think what annoys folk is the fact most of the time it's hatred in ignorance. And that's the worst kind of hatred in all walks of life. So it isn't political or important when it's ponies, but if someone can hate something without really understanding it or bothering to find out about it - that can transfer to real life opinions too. So I guess it is serious, deep down because of that?
Yeah. If someone is hating out of ignorance, and it's ponies, its probably more serious than that because it can move to more serious issues.

I don't think someone needs to research G1 in depth to decide they don't like it. If G1 doesn't vibe with a person then that's ok. But for Celestia's sake if you (general you) don't like something and other people do then let them like the thing. It's annoying when people use their dislike of a thing as a way to hold themselves above those that like it.
Disliking is easy. Hate shouldn't be as easy. If you dislike something, you can go ahead and keep disliking it. HATING  something because all you've seen is the art style, though?

Thankfully, when I posted G1 stuff on some other site's mlp board recently, I got a small few positive replies and absolutely no negativity for it. I hope that means that bronies' collective hatred for older gens has died down to a normal amount of dislike or indifference.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Jocelyn on May 09, 2018, 03:46:00 AM
I think youth really has to be considered. I understand many Bronies wouldn't have this excuse, but I'm sure a lot of them were under 14. I can see the younger factions being more simpleminded with their opinions. Kids are very likely to decide they don't like it, say, "ew, I hate it", then go on a tirade about how it sucks. Oftentimes it doesn't even matter what the thing they hate is, it's just the fun of hating something. It's stupid, but it's a kid thing, and one most grow out of. Hopefully.

You guys say it yourself, kinda. Wasn't there practically a war in the community when G2 came out, and the community was collectively younger? Over time as you guys got used to it, and as you all grew up and matured, the hatred and mudslinging probably slowed down/stopped.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 09, 2018, 04:21:06 AM
I personally don't mind G4 fans hating G1, providing they are educated enough about G1 to form that opinion. I think what annoys folk is the fact most of the time it's hatred in ignorance. And that's the worst kind of hatred in all walks of life. So it isn't political or important when it's ponies, but if someone can hate something without really understanding it or bothering to find out about it - that can transfer to real life opinions too. So I guess it is serious, deep down because of that?
Yeah. If someone is hating out of ignorance, and it's ponies, its probably more serious than that because it can move to more serious issues.

I don't think someone needs to research G1 in depth to decide they don't like it. If G1 doesn't vibe with a person then that's ok. But for Celestia's sake if you (general you) don't like something and other people do then let them like the thing. It's annoying when people use their dislike of a thing as a way to hold themselves above those that like it.
Disliking is easy. Hate shouldn't be as easy. If you dislike something, you can go ahead and keep disliking it. HATING  something because all you've seen is the art style, though?

Thankfully, when I posted G1 stuff on some other site's mlp board recently, I got a small few positive replies and absolutely no negativity for it. I hope that means that bronies' collective hatred for older gens has died down to a normal amount of dislike or indifference.

This. We were talking about hate. We weren't talking about dislike.

@Jocelyn, yes, there was. It was not pleasant. I was 15 when G2 came out, I was 16 when I was first in the community, and a lot of G1 fans were around my sort of age, a little older in some cases, a few younger ones as well. And as you said, it went ballistic because everyone got passionately attached to one or other faction (pro or anti G2) and there were a lot of arguments and stuff because of it.

I think back on it as really stupid in most respects. I regret that people left the community because of it, on both sides of the fence. But I still think that drawing artwork of G1 ponies killing G2 ponies was in bad taste. And I think if I saw that now, with G4 ponies and G1 ponies, I'd still consider it disgusting. It's fine to dislike something, or even hate it if you know enough about it to be able to hate it - but it's not okay to be hostile about it towards fans of that thing.

I was a mod on an anime forum for some five or six years and seriously, the things people argued about there was insane. And I learned also never get involved in disputes over pairings or which mainstream manga is best, because people are mad about these things.

...In essence I think this probably comes down in part to what Jocelyn said. ALTHOUGH I don't want to blame all younger pony fans for insane behaviour. I worked with kids who were bronies and none of them ever disrespected my being a G1 person. One in particular I had lots of conversations with while helping him with his artwork. He learned about G1, I learned about G4, and it was very amicable.

I think to attack someone else's beliefs or interests requires someone to be insecure about their beliefs and interests. Attacking anyone requires some kind of insecurity in ones self. While it's true that can often be something that affects teenagers, it isn't always the case.

The worst ponypeople I encountered in my time in this community were both adults and older than me. So sometimes it's just that people want to make other people miserable to satisfy their own ego.

I also had the misconception for a while that all bronies were hostile and were destroying the whole MLP thing. Instead of attacking, I just pulled out of the community completely for a bit. I didn't go to ponycon and I didn't post here or anywhere because of the stuff I saw being said. But I do know now that not all fans of G4 are like that. I just think the brony term is probably tainted because of the bad stuff.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on May 09, 2018, 06:10:38 AM
Starshine is my favorite. We really need this pony! Imagine what she would be like... Bright, rainbow hair colors, bold symbol, classic pose... :heart:

I know right? Also the possibility that she may have changed breeds, since Moonstone and Windy are earth ponies.

To irritate things further she is shown on back card art, it is a generic card, so NOTHING matches, but still.

Whhhhhhhyyyyy?

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=473054


@PKW - I'm now waiting for one to be discovered just to blow your mind ;)


:lmao:

I was rather disappointed since there is a Windy and a Moonstone, but I think it is the fact there is a Moonstone which only increases my disappointment (I am rather fond of Moonstone and have a secret army and I enjoy having a Moonstone and Starshine from each country where possible)

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Motion-Paradox on May 09, 2018, 08:34:42 PM
My CJ and Snowflake often played boy ponies in my herd, though I don't think of them as boys. So I guess that happened in my childhood collection too.

Takarazuka-Pony Edition?

And for me a big one was that G1 Ponies all had movable heads; the first G1 pony I ever owned was Baby Sweet Stuff, I had played with G1 Ponies before but never really paid attention to whether their heads turned and then the first G1 ponies I bought and displayed were a lot where the neck seals had either worn off or been taken off in the case of a partially customised one so I found it a bit odd when I saw some people posting about having trouble getting the heads off or cutting the neckrings in their childhood ones trying to give them movable heads
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Olympus on May 10, 2018, 05:47:14 AM
I underestimated a G1 ponies' cuteness and appeal.

Friendship is Magic introduced me to the franchise, and up until about two years ago I had exclusively hoarding collecting G4 ponies. I was on the fence about the other gens, and decided to buy a few G1s off eBay one day to see if I'd like them or not.

Needless to say, they won me over pretty quickly.  :P
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: OleGrayMane on May 10, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
I thought ponies (regardless of the gen) were only about tea parties.
Huh. Guess not. :)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 10, 2018, 03:32:32 PM
I thought ponies (regardless of the gen) were only about tea parties.
Huh. Guess not. :)

That's because of the disputed comment allegedly made by Lauren Faust...that said ponies were all about tea parties. I still don't understand where that came from, or if she even said it, because it has no basis in fact but I see a lot of people repeating it even now.

Thanks to Pinkie Pie and Rarity, G4 has a lot more parties and girly fashion elements than G1 ever really went in for. Although there is one tales episode about a tea club I seem to remember...and there is one comic story I remember with Tootsie and an enchanted kettle.

But for the most part G1 ponies were busy rescuing each other from some evil magic force, slavery, spells, or even Majesty's slightly sadistic ruling style. There just wasn't time for tea, especially if Majesty was just going to send you on a long run to run off the calories after...
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on May 10, 2018, 11:37:32 PM
I don't think it's too surprising that people commonly associated G1 with tea parties and frills, because the commercials were 100% tea parties and frills.  I grew up absolutely loving the G1 toys, but not really watching the show (I caught bits of it maybe twice), and as a teen (when I started collecting) I too assumed that the show was about things like "Bow Tie's quest for a comb" before I started buying the VHS tapes off eBay.  The UK comics weren't imported at all, so they didn't have any presence / influence for American kids.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: mewthemew on May 11, 2018, 05:07:37 AM
I don't think it's too surprising that people commonly associated G1 with tea parties and frills, because the commercials were 100% tea parties and frills.

Heheh, if it helps, my not liking pony at a young age was me having some sort of vendetta against anything and everything 'girlie' and 'pretty' when I was....5...and it carried over until G4 came out and loosened me up a bit. ^u^
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: PoserBeachball on May 11, 2018, 07:54:49 AM
I thought ponies (regardless of the gen) were only about tea parties.
Huh. Guess not. :)

But for the most part G1 ponies were busy rescuing each other from some evil magic force, slavery, spells, or even Majesty's slightly sadistic ruling style. There just wasn't time for tea, especially if Majesty was just going to send you on a long run to run off the calories after...

This made me roar with laughter.
Maybe not tea parties;  but surely British ponies, true to their national characteristics, would have found time for a quick brew mid-crisis :) :)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 11, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
I thought ponies (regardless of the gen) were only about tea parties.
Huh. Guess not. :)

But for the most part G1 ponies were busy rescuing each other from some evil magic force, slavery, spells, or even Majesty's slightly sadistic ruling style. There just wasn't time for tea, especially if Majesty was just going to send you on a long run to run off the calories after...

This made me roar with laughter.
Maybe not tea parties;  but surely British ponies, true to their national characteristics, would have found time for a quick brew mid-crisis :) :)

The irony being that the pony with the teapot symbol (Crumpet) wasn't sold here...

Although I can imagine there were Reasons. Perhaps beyond the fact we didn't have SS ponies. It's an unfortunate name. :)

Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Esbayne on May 11, 2018, 03:39:34 PM
Have to agree with the misconception at first that "brony" would be a cute term. I was into the older gens first, so when G4 rolled around I was pretty excited for it, was such a breath of fresh air after the Bore 7 G3.5 ponies which I really, really hated.
It started becoming a pop-culture thing and the terms "bronies" and "pegasisters" started getting thrown around, I thought it sounded kind of cute and thought it was super cool that MLP was getting so widely recognized.

Booooy was I wrong. >.>


I guess another misconception I had was when I was really little, I only knew about G1 and G3, which I only knew as "old ponies" and "new ponies." I found an Ivy G2 keychain at a Rite Aid one time, must've been very old stock, I was probably 6 or 7 and was soo confused! I knew she was an old pony but could not for the life of me figure out why she didn't match all my G1s. I cut the keychain off her back (I'd cut tags/threads/ties/clips whatever and play with it like a toy, EVERYTHING was played with by me) and decided she must've been a baby Twinkle Eye, she was Gingerbread's baby because at the time she was my only TE. Somewhere along the lines a childhood friend gave me a G2 McD's Sundance, and by then I just figured some G1s must look slightly different than the others, maybe these were later runs of G1?
The mystery was finally solved once I discovered online pony ID sites and the communities! I used to lurk here as a kid before making my account when I got a lot older.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 24, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
As a kid, I thought Twilight had a black stripe in her hair.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 24, 2018, 05:51:46 PM
I thought brony and pegasi star were cute terms too. They are, but the people aren't.

You guys can also post misconceptions you've heard if you want ;)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: dragonlady on May 24, 2018, 06:36:36 PM
When I was younger I was convinced Baby Princess Sparkle was a unicorn; you can imagine my surprise when I discovered she wasn't, lol.

Also thought MLP was a US only toy, I'm so glad I was wrong:)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: mewthemew on May 24, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
I thought leaving pony hair around to get all tangled and frizzy was "styling" their hair....
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on May 25, 2018, 12:08:34 AM
I don't think it's too surprising that people commonly associated G1 with tea parties and frills, because the commercials were 100% tea parties and frills.  I grew up absolutely loving the G1 toys, but not really watching the show (I caught bits of it maybe twice), and as a teen (when I started collecting) I too assumed that the show was about things like "Bow Tie's quest for a comb" before I started buying the VHS tapes off eBay.  The UK comics weren't imported at all, so they didn't have any presence / influence for American kids.
Yes, ye gods... The G1 MLP commercials and package bios were as overly saccharine as the G1 Transformers box bios were overly edgy.

I initially thought the "brony" community was cool. But between the mindless vitriol for older gens, the harrassment and smear campaigns I witnessed, the content that was defended.. Urgh.

Me, I was never disdainful of G1. While it was FiM that had initially gotten me into MLP, like with Transformers I was curious to see the franchise's roots and was quick to check out the first series. And hoo boy did it get me hooked on the older stuff.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: haircutsandhighlighters on May 25, 2018, 05:07:50 AM
Growing up on the G2 toys and the G1 cartoon, I thought that G1 and G2 were the same thing. I didn't understand why some of the used ponies I got were bigger than the others and didn't have sparkly eyes, and I never twigged that they were closer to the style of the G1 show because they were G1 ponies... I had no idea there were different generations. I remember seeing the first few G3 ads on TV when I was about 10 or 11, and I couldn't understand why they all looked different and lived in "Ponyville" instead of the "Pony Land" I was familiar with. I'd more or less left my childhood pony phase then, but I still thought they'd ruined it. I was a stubborn, pedantic pre-teen.  :P
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Glitter Yolk on May 25, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
When I was young I only had fakies that I thought were real mlp, and they both had painted hooves. Imagine my surprise when I came across true G1s with plain hooves, I was very confused.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: SwirlyWhirly on May 28, 2018, 07:22:32 AM
When I was a kid I thought Sundance was a boy. I think I thought the pose was more "boyish" than the three other ponies I had in the Posey pose and that the name sounded male. English is not my first language so of course I had no idea what Sundance meant either. To me it was just a weird sounding name.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on May 28, 2018, 09:41:17 AM
^ I had the same problem with some names, haha! Honeysuckle for example... I knew what honey was, but "sukkel" means doofus in Dutch, and I just couldn't understand why anyone would call a pony Honeydoofus. XD
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Shaiyeh on May 28, 2018, 11:23:25 AM
When I was a kid I thought Sundance was a boy. I think I thought the pose was more "boyish" than the three other ponies I had in the Posey pose and that the name sounded male. English is not my first language so of course I had no idea what Sundance meant either. To me it was just a weird sounding name.

I had the same kind of thing with my Tuneful! While I didn't know his name (or, well, her...) at the time, the colours and pose made me think he was a boy ^^' I still am having a hard time not thinking of Tuneful as a male pony haha xD
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: gabumon on May 28, 2018, 11:40:57 AM
I grew up with my sisters G1 MLP though we had our fair share of fakies too.I guess my misconception was that only girls can like MLP. I also assumed that there were only female ponies too.  Being male myself I just went with that.
As an adult I discovered G1 Quartrtback at a thrift store! Clydesdale hooves?  “Hasbro” on the foot-  was this MLP!?!!! a boy?!

So yes MLP is for anyone! and they make boy ponies too!  glad I figured that out! ;)


Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Sunset on May 28, 2018, 01:10:24 PM
As a kid, my only access to mlp media was renting the VHS tapes at the local rental place ( and one or two eps I caught while at my grandparent's house).  I adored the original special but was less enthusiastic about the movie.  As a result, I got mixed up and thought of RAMC as the "real movie" and thought the one with the Smooze was just a long special.

So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on May 28, 2018, 01:44:38 PM
So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
I think of her as blue too. Her shade is a bit green, but it is still blue to me!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on May 28, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
One of mine was that gen one spike was never made into a toy, I am happy to have one now.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 28, 2018, 05:35:00 PM
So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
I think of her as blue too. Her shade is a bit green, but it is still blue to me!

She looks blue to me too.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Ponyfan on May 28, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
I though Hasbro made a family set of Gusty, Baby Gusty and Daddy Gusty. I thought I saw them in the store once and wanted them. When I started collecting MLP I learned that Hasbro never made a Daddy Gusty and what I saw must have been the Apple Delight family but for years I really thought there was a Daddy Gusty.

Ponyfan
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Sunset on May 28, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
I think of her as blue too. Her shade is a bit green, but it is still blue to me!

She looks blue to me too.

OH, good!  I'm glad I'm not the only one then.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on May 28, 2018, 09:25:54 PM
As a kid, my only access to mlp media was renting the VHS tapes at the local rental place ( and one or two eps I caught while at my grandparent's house).  I adored the original special but was less enthusiastic about the movie.  As a result, I got mixed up and thought of RAMC as the "real movie" and thought the one with the Smooze was just a long special.
Oh yeah, me too! I thought RAMC was the movie, but the rental shop closed down around the time I got a copy of the mlp movie of ebay (a bootleg with screenshots from RAMC on the back) and was upset and confused that it wasn't the "real" mlp movie.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leikin on May 29, 2018, 01:08:13 AM
When I was a kid I thought Sundance was a boy. I think I thought the pose was more "boyish" than the three other ponies I had in the Posey pose and that the name sounded male. English is not my first language so of course I had no idea what Sundance meant either. To me it was just a weird sounding name.

I had the same with Firefly and Applejack. My babies where both males (didnt have the adults) I think my baby Glory was male too. I think with Glory and Firefly it was probably due to the blue in the hair, and with applejack, I assume it was because of the name Jack. :P
So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
I think of her as blue too. Her shade is a bit green, but it is still blue to me!

She looks blue to me too.

OH, good!  I'm glad I'm not the only one then.

I think of her as green, but much of the merchandise she is more blueish with green hair, so I guess it is not wrong to call her blue, as it seems that she might have been intended to be somewhat blue.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on May 29, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
I think of her as blue too. Her shade is a bit green, but it is still blue to me!

She looks blue to me too.

OH, good!  I'm glad I'm not the only one then.

I was actually surprised how green the real pony is, as I always thought of her as more teal/bluegreenish from all the drawings I saw as a kid (I never saw her in real life till I started online trading).
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 20, 2018, 09:33:07 AM
I thought Baby Bellaluna had a big tropical flower symbol. :s Oops!

I thought Sunbeam and Twirlerina were mint green.

Post Merge: June 20, 2018, 09:43:55 AM

^ I had the same problem with some names, haha! Honeysuckle for example... I knew what honey was, but "sukkel" means doofus in Dutch, and I just couldn't understand why anyone would call a pony Honeydoofus. XD

Honey Doofus! :rofl:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on June 20, 2018, 10:00:35 AM
I thought Baby Bellaluna had a big tropical flower symbol. :s Oops!

I thought Sunbeam and Twirlerina were mint green.

Post Merge: June 20, 2018, 09:43:55 AM

^ I had the same problem with some names, haha! Honeysuckle for example... I knew what honey was, but "sukkel" means doofus in Dutch, and I just couldn't understand why anyone would call a pony Honeydoofus. XD

Honey Doofus! :rofl:

It's a name hasbro missed when coming up with names for G3 XD
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on June 20, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Honey Doofus!!! I just got a Honeysuckle, I think that'll be her nickname!

I just realized another thing - before I started collecting G1s, I thought G1 was based on the TV show and the toys were an equally large part of the franchise, but still, it all stemmed from the show, like G4. Welp, that was wrong. I think a lot of people still think this too. My mom even thought so and she grew up in the 80s! I don't really know where this is coming from, maybe G4 and it's take on things?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Sunset on June 20, 2018, 11:24:11 AM
Honey Doofus!!! I just got a Honeysuckle, I think that'll be her nickname!

I just realized another thing - before I started collecting G1s, I thought G1 was based on the TV show and the toys were an equally large part of the franchise, but still, it all stemmed from the show, like G4. Welp, that was wrong. I think a lot of people still think this too. My mom even thought so and she grew up in the 80s! I don't really know where this is coming from, maybe G4 and it's take on things?

It's tempting to blame it all on G4.  But I suspect it's more general than that.  Most big toy lines had a media presence in the 80's and that has continued to today.  Most especially in the boys toys.  Even if those toy lines started out as a toy and then got media, they were still heavily married to the cartoon.  So MLP is one of those lucky brands that is simply popular as a toy concept, regardless of how much or little media it gets.  Though these days, Hasbro has to compete with the knockoffs of its own brand.  Maybe that's one reason they have been pushing the idea of central characters so hard.  So that kids will demand "Pinki Pie" rather than the $2 knockoff.  Back in the 80's MLP was the first of its kind and so didn't have cheap alternatives yet.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on June 20, 2018, 11:33:21 AM
Honey Doofus!!! I just got a Honeysuckle, I think that'll be her nickname!

I just realized another thing - before I started collecting G1s, I thought G1 was based on the TV show and the toys were an equally large part of the franchise, but still, it all stemmed from the show, like G4. Welp, that was wrong. I think a lot of people still think this too. My mom even thought so and she grew up in the 80s! I don't really know where this is coming from, maybe G4 and it's take on things?

It's tempting to blame it all on G4.  But I suspect it's more general than that.  Most big toy lines had a media presence in the 80's and that has continued to today.  Most especially in the boys toys.  Even if those toy lines started out as a toy and then got media, they were still heavily married to the cartoon.  So MLP is one of those lucky brands that is simply popular as a toy concept, regardless of how much or little media it gets.  Though these days, Hasbro has to compete with the knockoffs of its own brand.  Maybe that's one reason they have been pushing the idea of central characters so hard.  So that kids will demand "Pinki Pie" rather than the $2 knockoff.  Back in the 80's MLP was the first of its kind and so didn't have cheap alternatives yet.
Hmm, I agree. It would make sense for Hasbro to have very recognizable characters so that kids will know the difference.  I'm sure G4 still has a part in it, most people know more about it than G1. But it is more general, I guess!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on June 20, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Also, there are three kinds of fans. Those who like the show but don't want the toys, those who like the toys but don't watch the show and those who like and want both.

G1 collector fans are more likely to be in the last two categories. But there might be fans who were either fans of the show only or the show and toys but only as a kid who maybe remember the shows more than the toys.

I noticed in the Jem community this divide is pretty distinct. There are show-people and doll-people, with a few that straddle the middle-line. I guess G1 is maybe the same...but as most of the people here collect toys, our focus in therefore on being fans of the toys.

BUT all that said, G1 toys inspired the show and the show, however popular, was designed to promote the toys. Jem was the same, although the show was much more successful than the toys. G4 is a show designed to promote MLP but not just toys - also other franchised goods. The nuance is different with G4.

I personally was in the had toys, didn't really watch the show group for MLP. I had the comics, though...I guess they were my equivalent.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: MerryAnvil on June 20, 2018, 01:49:12 PM
My biggest misconception was that, due to having grown up with G3, I thought there were no male ponies, and therefore Steamer must be a female pony who was modeled after a Clydesdale xD I was only like seven or eight at the time that I got my first G1s so I think I can be forgiven for that, but until I got curious enough to look them up and do my research (which didn't take that long; probably within a couple days), I thought he was a girl. Man it's funny thinking back on that now!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Ponyfan on June 20, 2018, 02:05:55 PM
I didn't realize that the cartoon wasn't always accurate in portraying the toys.  I thought Sniffles and Snookums were Earth ponies because that's the way they appeared in the cartoon and that Tuneful was green instead of blue.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: cookifaa on June 20, 2018, 02:29:43 PM
I thought that Posey and Kiss Curl were the same pony for long enough.

I also thought that the Tales were relatively new because they were being rerun on the tv when i was a kid, it was only a few years ago that I found out they were made in the 90s.

I also thought that the year stamped on the ponies foot was the year they were made. It wasn't until my mum pointed out that some of the ponies that have 83/84 stamped on their feet weren't in stores when she was a collector that I realised it was the pose year.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Jorgito93 on June 22, 2018, 04:30:41 PM
I thought that mlp was just a stupid girly thing when i was younger.Then i fell in love with FiM, the artstyle was a big part of me loving it so i thought the older generations were ugly in comparison.I didn't really hated it aggressively like some bronies, but i still couldn't see how people could like them (though i remember liking g3 rarity early on, don't know why).Then i began lurking here, and well it's all in the past now. Also i did the same dumb brony mistake that a lot of people did : i thought g2 was tales.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Beldarna on June 23, 2018, 12:30:21 AM
My first encounter with MLP was Rescue at Midnight Castle and Escape from Catrina. In the first Swedish dub the ponies were given other names: Firefly - Silver, Medley-Melody, Skydancer - Molnet ((the) Cloud), Bowtie - Isabella, Megan - Mimmi etc. The confusion was huge when we got another movie and Mimmi had another name! So wrong! I remember being so confused and angry about how they had gotten it all wrong in all the rest of the movies as well! :P

First pony I ever got was ft Baby North Star. She was a pink pegasus with purple hair. No lightningbolts as symbols but still, she was close enough. Silver she is!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Harmonie on June 23, 2018, 09:25:57 AM
I got into MLP with FiM, and had absolutely no interest in toys of any kind previously. Prior to getting into FiM, my only exposure with MLP that I can remember was a moderator of a forum I was a member of in my mid teens. She had a G3 MLP as her username. Coming into MLP with FiM, I had thought that particular MLP had to be some important character and was totally looking for her in the show, even the main characters. It turns out that wasn't the case at all, as she was just one of many, many G3 ponies released, and had no prominence over any other.

As I said, I came into MLP from a cartoon angle, because I've always loved animation and watching cartoons, so I had no understanding of how the toys worked. Also, another misconception related to this: When I heard about FiM and how the creator was trying to create a show with relatable female characters for girls, I was really excited. Sadly, even having no reason to dislike the previous generations of MLP, I kind of rode that Faust train for a while thinking that the older generations (animation) were bad and that FiM was something amazing.

It wasn't until shortly before joining this forum that I decided to look back into the previous generations of MLP, watched all of the cartoons (except for Tales, later G3 cartoons when everything changed, and G3.5 cartoons, I just couldn't get through Tales. It just feels like too much of a regular teen cartoon with ponies slapped onto it. Tales fans can tear me apart if I've come under some misconception!). I then started looking into the toys, and found that G3s were the most appealing to me.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on June 26, 2018, 09:53:55 PM
...Harmonie is basically right about Tales, dangit. Though I personally like it because it's a slice of life show like FiM. I'm a sucker for 80s and early 90s cartoons and Tales seems like an idealistic representation of life as a kid in the 80s. (I was a 90s kid.)

So, in short, you're spot on about the kind of show that Tales is.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 29, 2018, 06:54:16 PM
When I was little I thought Shady's symbol was regular glasses.  Being blue and white, they don't look like sunglasses.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Einhornbaby on July 01, 2018, 07:49:09 AM
I firmly believed Raindrop was RegentrÖPFCHEN in Germany... after 14 years of collecting I relaized that its RegentrOPFEN... lol. Oh man.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Esbayne on July 10, 2018, 07:56:15 AM
I firmly believed Raindrop was RegentrÖPFCHEN in Germany... after 14 years of collecting I relaized that its RegentrOPFEN... lol. Oh man.

I know a bit of German but am not super fluent so I was curious if there was something there I wasn't getting and if öpfchen meant anything specifically.

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Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on July 10, 2018, 08:04:21 AM
So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
I think of her as blue too. Her shade is a bit green, but it is still blue to me!

She looks blue to me too.

OH, good!  I'm glad I'm not the only one then.
 

There are two. The one made in 1983, with straight hair, is almost the same color as the blue Baby Ember.  She is ever so slightly green even next to each other.  The curly hair one released in 1984 is a lighter color, much more clearly green.   You could be entirely forgiven for thinking the 1983 version was blue.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on July 10, 2018, 08:15:11 AM
So I'll add this one even though I don't consider this a misperception so much as a difference in perception.  Medley was my first ever pony and I've always considered her as blue.  Really she is an in-between-sort of teal but everyone else seems to label her as green.  But I would label her as blue.  A pastel teal-y blue.
I think of her as blue too. Her shade is a bit green, but it is still blue to me!

She looks blue to me too.

OH, good!  I'm glad I'm not the only one then.
 

There are two. The one made in 1983, with straight hair, is almost the same color as the blue Baby Ember.  She is ever so slightly green even next to each other.  The curly hair one released in 1984 is a lighter color, much more clearly green.   You could be entirely forgiven for thinking the 1983 version was blue.

I didn't know that.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: RoseNoire on July 10, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
Well, I had your common misconceptions (Tales being G2, year under the hoof,...)
But when I was a little kid, knowing absolutely nothing about mlps and simply playing with them, I though only G3 were real MLP and all the others were fakies (my few G1s and my only G2 at the time) just because they didn't have the hoof magnet. I though real mlps all have magnets. Boi was I wrong. :'D
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on July 10, 2018, 08:38:03 AM
My sister's Medley is as green as Braided Beauty and I'm pretty sure she was the 1983 version. I guess only some were blue?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on July 10, 2018, 11:01:30 AM
My sister's Medley is as green as Braided Beauty and I'm pretty sure she was the 1983 version. I guess only some were blue?

I am not saying she IS blue, I'm saying she's far bluer (and darker) than the longer and curlier haired counterpart. Age, yellowing, etc notwithstanding. I've gone through a lot of Medleys in my time (she was one of my first) and I could never figure out why the two releases looked so different. (Firefly's the same way, I got two of them when I was a kid, the straight haired one was a slightly more salmon color, more akin to Twilight and the curly one was just ever so slightly pinker. You could only really tell unless they were side by side.

I don't have a long, curly haired Medley anymore, and I don't have Braided Beauty, but I do have Ember and Mirror Mirror. Mirror Mirror matched my last curly haired Medley. 


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See it's this weird color between the "blue" of Ember and that other color.  And if you hold the ponies far apart, their hair makes them see more dissimilar than they are, color-wise.
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I kind of want to rehair a Medley to blue and a baby Ember to green now.


Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on July 10, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
Maybe this is another example of my colour fussy eyes...but Medley and Ember are totally different colours in that picture.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Snapdragon on July 10, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
My weirdest misconception was about winger ponies! Summerwing/Windy Wing, I mean! I thought, okay, so these guys are probably about the size of an adult G1, right? Maybe a little shorter! I didn't know how TINY they actually were, and how they can basically fit in the palm of your hand! They're so precious and small, I love them!! :heart:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on July 10, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
Maybe this is another example of my colour fussy eyes...but Medley and Ember are totally different colours in that picture.


Yes.  They are different colors.  I was not saying they were the same color. I was saying that the short haired Medley was closer to Ember than the curly haired Medley is, which was nearly an exact match for Mirror Mirror.

Also keep in mind monitors and calibration and all that. I kind of feel like I have to go buy a bunch of Medleys to get my point across now. That the short haired one is slightly bluer than the curly haired one, a difference I've noted since 1984 (So I'm not just basing this on old ponies that may have faded), so if you get ponies who have not yellowed you will see a noticeable difference. It's even more noticeable in tungsten light.

Edit: I found one seller who was selling multiples, so presumably the lighting conditions are close-ish, but obviously not perfect. Middle two are long haired. The top row right two, the long haired and short haired ones next to each other, most clearly show the difference, and have the closest to identical lighting conditions.
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Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: tulagirl on July 10, 2018, 03:54:15 PM
That G1's with white hair/white streak might have actually had pink hair/pink streak.    I keep finding new ponies that I didn't realize were supposed to have pink in the mane. The standard ones I know, but I discovered a few surprises recently.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on July 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
That G1's with white hair/white streak might have actually had pink hair/pink streak.    I keep finding new ponies that I didn't realize were supposed to have pink in the mane. The standard ones I know, but I discovered a few surprises recently.
It's funny you say that.  I somehow never saw Posey as a younger child, not in person. The first one I came across had white hair and white tulips (it had been outside for a long time, it was falling apart, the plastic was CRACKED, and the person wanted $15 for it. Um no.) and by the time Dream Valley had rolled around to identify things, I was very disappointed to learn she was supposed to be pink.  To this day my only Posey is one I found with white hair and white tulips that I dyed slightly more yellow.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Sunset on July 10, 2018, 05:22:06 PM
Re: Medley.  This is why I said that this might be more a matter of perception.  Medley is a shade between "obviously blue" and "obviously green."  Where is the line where someone will label her blue over green or vice versa?  That line for one person might be different from another person.

Also, it makes a difference what you are comparing her to.  If you compare her to an "obviously blue" pony then it's easy to see that she is greener.  But if you compare her to something "obviously green", such as her own hair, then it's easy to say that her body is bluer.  I think this is how I tend to think of her.  She has obviously green hair with a bluer body (in comparison to her hair.)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on July 10, 2018, 05:38:28 PM
That G1's with white hair/white streak might have actually had pink hair/pink streak.    I keep finding new ponies that I didn't realize were supposed to have pink in the mane. The standard ones I know, but I discovered a few surprises recently.

Me too.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on July 11, 2018, 01:10:19 AM
Re: Medley.  This is why I said that this might be more a matter of perception.  Medley is a shade between "obviously blue" and "obviously green."  Where is the line where someone will label her blue over green or vice versa?  That line for one person might be different from another person.

Also, it makes a difference what you are comparing her to.  If you compare her to an "obviously blue" pony then it's easy to see that she is greener.  But if you compare her to something "obviously green", such as her own hair, then it's easy to say that her body is bluer.  I think this is how I tend to think of her.  She has obviously green hair with a bluer body (in comparison to her hair.)

This.

People often generalise shades between blue and green as the one which it most resembles to them. It;'s entirely subjective and totally without formal right or wrong answers.

In short, no matter how many Medleys anyone buys, I am never going to see her as blue. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't see her as blue. It's just perception.

It's not about monitors, either. I own both Medley y2 (loose and MOC) and y3 and I own blue Ember. i've had doubles of the y2 one in lots over the years even though she wasn't sold here, too. They're not remotely alike to me, but my eyes are very colour detail specific to the point I annoy people by splitting hairs on shades. So I don't always trust that what I see as a distinction is actually a distinction in the bigger picture. However, in this case, they're extremely different, not just slightly, so it's worth mentioning.

Ember is blue, unless she's suffered sundamage or discolouration, in which case she goes greener. So to resolve the issue of Ember vs Medley requires proving that Ember is as blue as she should be and Medley is still her original shade as well (as she can get bluer with sundamage! Yay for plastic!)

So yeah. In summary, Medley is not blue to me, but if she's blue to you, great :) She is bluer than Y3 Medley, who is definitely more green...but that doesn't make her comparable in my opinion with properly blue ponies.

Re: fading hair - Still struggling to persuade people that Skyflier and Twist have pale pink streaks...at least my MOC ones both do >.>
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: strawberrypony on July 31, 2018, 12:28:02 AM
When I was a tween I thought the g1 Chocolate Delight was the original of the g3 Fizzy Pop, I didnt have internet back then so my only reference was the ponies I had so I ended up thinking a lot were younger or older versions of themselves. I tried haha  :P I didnt figure it out until I got dial up internet back in the day and discovered pony websites later
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: katrine2309 on July 31, 2018, 06:14:39 AM
My biggest misconception I think is believing US releases to be the standard of MLP releases. That belief confused me so much for years (!!!) as I struggled with understanding how my childhoods and ponies found second-hand fit into it all. When I started looking at things from a more worldwide view everything made more sense. Of course, I am still confused about a lot of stuff (as European releases are messy) :lol:

It’s not so strange that I (and I am sure many others!) lacked the more global understanding and approach though. In 2006 ( when I started collecting) most ID sites were very US centric in understanding MLP releases. I have been on and off collecting the last couple of years, and I recently got more active again. What I’m most happy about coming back to the community is that it is a much broader understanding of MLP releases outside of North America now. It makes everything so much easier  - and more interesting! :lol:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 02, 2018, 03:55:36 AM
My biggest misconception I think is believing US releases to be the standard of MLP releases. That belief confused me so much for years (!!!) as I struggled with understanding how my childhoods and ponies found second-hand fit into it all. When I started looking at things from a more worldwide view everything made more sense. Of course, I am still confused about a lot of stuff (as European releases are messy) :lol:

It’s not so strange that I (and I am sure many others!) lacked the more global understanding and approach though. In 2006 ( when I started collecting) most ID sites were very US centric in understanding MLP releases. I have been on and off collecting the last couple of years, and I recently got more active again. What I’m most happy about coming back to the community is that it is a much broader understanding of MLP releases outside of North America now. It makes everything so much easier  - and more interesting! :lol:

That is the exact reason I decided to add all the ponies to my website, not just the international releases, because it's all a lot more interesting and complicated in Europe. The US line is fairly straight forward but European releases don't fit into the US timeline or the sets or anything really.

I have always hated the US centric way of looking at MLP - not because I have anything against US MLP or US ponies or US people - but that it just is so inefficient when trying to ID or hunt or sort ponies if you grow up in a country other than the US or maybe Canada. It's illogical that you can grow up with Baby Applejack and Baby Blossom, and yet not be able to find them both together because one was sold in the US and one wasn't...

And since then I've learned how MUCH more complex Europe is, so I can totally see how confusing it is for you guys still. There remains at present no real proper resource for a lot of European releases...just the combined knowledge of people here talking about it, like this.

I think your misconception is one a lot of people still share, tbh. It's hard to think otherwise when the mainstream information sources (originally DV, then MLPCollector, now Wiki etc) all rely on that same outdated framework.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Stormrave on August 02, 2018, 06:04:44 AM
I didn't know that the first mail-order babies were all supposed to be Baby Ember.  I considered only the one with the cassette tape and the star to be Baby Ember.  Since the other three to my mind had no name, I named them myself:  the blue was Elm Blossom, the purple was Cherrystar, and the pink was Emerald (because I wanted a name LIKE "Ember" because I didn't have the Ember pony, but it couldn't actually BE "Ember" because Ember was, in my mind, someone else!)

It's silly because she's not green AT ALL :D
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: katrine2309 on August 02, 2018, 12:32:46 PM
My biggest misconception I think is believing US releases to be the standard of MLP releases. That belief confused me so much for years (!!!) as I struggled with understanding how my childhoods and ponies found second-hand fit into it all. When I started looking at things from a more worldwide view everything made more sense. Of course, I am still confused about a lot of stuff (as European releases are messy) :lol:

It’s not so strange that I (and I am sure many others!) lacked the more global understanding and approach though. In 2006 ( when I started collecting) most ID sites were very US centric in understanding MLP releases. I have been on and off collecting the last couple of years, and I recently got more active again. What I’m most happy about coming back to the community is that it is a much broader understanding of MLP releases outside of North America now. It makes everything so much easier  - and more interesting! :lol:

That is the exact reason I decided to add all the ponies to my website, not just the international releases, because it's all a lot more interesting and complicated in Europe. The US line is fairly straight forward but European releases don't fit into the US timeline or the sets or anything really.

I have always hated the US centric way of looking at MLP - not because I have anything against US MLP or US ponies or US people - but that it just is so inefficient when trying to ID or hunt or sort ponies if you grow up in a country other than the US or maybe Canada. It's illogical that you can grow up with Baby Applejack and Baby Blossom, and yet not be able to find them both together because one was sold in the US and one wasn't...

And since then I've learned how MUCH more complex Europe is, so I can totally see how confusing it is for you guys still. There remains at present no real proper resource for a lot of European releases...just the combined knowledge of people here talking about it, like this.

I think your misconception is one a lot of people still share, tbh. It's hard to think otherwise when the mainstream information sources (originally DV, then MLPCollector, now Wiki etc) all rely on that same outdated framework.

Agreed- to everything! :lol:

The MLP scrapbook has really helped A LOT! I am so impressed of all the knowledge there- you really did an amazing job with it(and continue to do so!)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Haruna on August 02, 2018, 10:30:17 PM
When I was a kid still playing with my (secondhand) ponies, I didn't know that clydesdale hooves meant a pony was male, so I decided Steamer and Chief were girls (Salty remained a boy). Thinking about it now, my logic made more sense than Hasbro's. Clydesdales can be female, of course.

Re: fading hair - Still struggling to persuade people that Skyflier and Twist have pale pink streaks...at least my MOC ones both do >.>
:blink: Well, now I learned something new! I wonder if I've ever seen a Twist or Skyflier with the pink streak. I've always believed it was supposed to be white, and I'm pretty good with my fading pink hair knowledge. Mind officially blown.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 03, 2018, 03:57:33 AM


Re: fading hair - Still struggling to persuade people that Skyflier and Twist have pale pink streaks...at least my MOC ones both do >.>
:blink: Well, now I learned something new! I wonder if I've ever seen a Twist or Skyflier with the pink streak. I've always believed it was supposed to be white, and I'm pretty good with my fading pink hair knowledge. Mind officially blown.

I think all the official art material I know of also shows Skyflier with a white streak. I think they are MEANT to have white in terms of design, but I definitely have had them with pink. Now whether that is because the red ran into the pink or what I am unsure, but it seems weird that both my MOC Twist and my MOC Skyflier have it. BUT it is really hard to prove it via photographs, so nobody really believes me xD.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 04, 2018, 07:28:10 AM


Re: fading hair - Still struggling to persuade people that Skyflier and Twist have pale pink streaks...at least my MOC ones both do >.>
:blink: Well, now I learned something new! I wonder if I've ever seen a Twist or Skyflier with the pink streak. I've always believed it was supposed to be white, and I'm pretty good with my fading pink hair knowledge. Mind officially blown.

I think all the official art material I know of also shows Skyflier with a white streak. I think they are MEANT to have white in terms of design, but I definitely have had them with pink. Now whether that is because the red ran into the pink or what I am unsure, but it seems weird that both my MOC Twist and my MOC Skyflier have it. BUT it is really hard to prove it via photographs, so nobody really believes me xD.


Hmmm that's super weird.  They do have pretty similarly colored hair, I wonder if being MOC did cause them to bleed since the hair's been in contact barely moving for decades?  I didn't have Twist as a kid, but I've definitely had her at points and the last one I had did have a pink streak, which confused me, I just don't have decades of comparison to make. I did have Skyflier as a kid, my cousin got her the year she came out, just basically kept her in the attic and then gave her to me.  I still have her and her baby Cotton Candy, but between that one and the one my neighbor had, I always recall that being white. And the last Skyflier I bought I took apart to make a custom (like a week ago), and it was white inside.   But now I kinda want to get another and pink up that streak.

But then again, Hasbro.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on August 04, 2018, 08:03:28 AM


Re: fading hair - Still struggling to persuade people that Skyflier and Twist have pale pink streaks...at least my MOC ones both do >.>
:blink: Well, now I learned something new! I wonder if I've ever seen a Twist or Skyflier with the pink streak. I've always believed it was supposed to be white, and I'm pretty good with my fading pink hair knowledge. Mind officially blown.

I think all the official art material I know of also shows Skyflier with a white streak. I think they are MEANT to have white in terms of design, but I definitely have had them with pink. Now whether that is because the red ran into the pink or what I am unsure, but it seems weird that both my MOC Twist and my MOC Skyflier have it. BUT it is really hard to prove it via photographs, so nobody really believes me xD.


Hmmm that's super weird.  They do have pretty similarly colored hair, I wonder if being MOC did cause them to bleed since the hair's been in contact barely moving for decades?  I didn't have Twist as a kid, but I've definitely had her at points and the last one I had did have a pink streak, which confused me, I just don't have decades of comparison to make. I did have Skyflier as a kid, my cousin got her the year she came out, just basically kept her in the attic and then gave her to me.  I still have her and her baby Cotton Candy, but between that one and the one my neighbor had, I always recall that being white. And the last Skyflier I bought I took apart to make a custom (like a week ago), and it was white inside.   But now I kinda want to get another and pink up that streak.

But then again, Hasbro.
It would be cool if they did have a pink streak, I've never heard of the possibility before! The only things that I can think of otherwise would be bleeding and the white hair being a bit translucent, showing the color of hair underneath. That red color is known to bleed, so it could be, especially if the pony is MOC.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Breyer600 on August 04, 2018, 01:30:26 PM
I remember noticing as a kid that Twist and Sea Mist had pink stripes.  I don't remember noticing Skyflier's but when I saw it mentioned as pink some time ago I checked my childhood one and it's definitley a match to Posey's fading pink.  I took these photos at the time - comparisons to Powder, Posey, and Star Dazzle (who just happened to be handy as another fading pink example):

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For it to be from the red hair bleeding we would have to assume that just lying loosely on top of the red is enough to cause it to stain, the bleed was completely even from roots to tips, and it just happens to stain the exact same color as fading pink - which I find a real stretch to believe, especially since I'm 100% positive that Twist and Sea Mist (the two ponies with similar color schemes for their manes) had pink stripes to begin with.  I have been meaning to use some hair from a couple of baits to try to force a segment of red hair to stain a segment of white just to see if it even comes close but haven't gotten around to it yet. 
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on August 04, 2018, 01:49:14 PM
I agree, that isn't bleeding. Thank you for the pics!

I think the thing that makes the most sense right now is that the hair is fading pink.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 04, 2018, 02:11:23 PM
Yay! I am not crazy. Thanks for the pics Breyer600!!

I also checked my loose Skyflier who is mint against Posey with similar results but couldn't get a good picture.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 04, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
Holy crap, guys, that is so, so weird. I think it might be an optical illusion about it being white because of her hair and coat color.  Because I just pulled out my "good" Skyflier, and peered closely, and she looks white. Compared it to her eyeballs, still pretty white. Separated her hair so it isn't laying on the red, still looks white. UNTIL I put her between brand new hair that matches that "fading pink" color, and Twilight's tail, and mine is definitely faded, but decidedly pink. 

Even putting BRAND NEW pink hair over top that color, it "looks" more white than pink, that bright color completely overpowers it.  It looks like white just picking up reflections of the hair and body depending on the context. It is the blue/black or yellow/gold dress all over again.

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Edit, so I took this outside because my indoor lighting was definitely skewing the color perception, it's far warmer. Comparison pics under spoiler.


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Ok, so, my comparisons.  With my Skyflier who needs a bath, and has a relatively thin streak.

Left to right, Dollyhair Virgin Snow, g1 Sunlight, Dollyhair Pussycat, and g3 flutter Honeysuckle flattened so you can see they're the exact same color when flattened.

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It is weird because even looking through my phone's screen her hair is decidedly pinker than with my naked eyes...not just in pics, even just looking while taking a pic.
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Here's the comparison across the spectrum.
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bunched up and thickened though, it's clear.
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But the ultimate test of that has me convinced that it is fading pink?  It FLUORESCES exactly like the "fading pink" color, and the white hair from the same era does not whatsoever.  Case closed right there as far as I am concerned.

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I wish I would have checked the other Skyflier so we can see if it's just a case of "some ponies used up some stock of some hair", or all of them have pink.

Ok, final edit, this is making me insane.
It fluoresces the same when the black light is at a distance, and the white appears not to.  But when you get close...
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Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 05, 2018, 01:11:54 AM
I think Hasbro doesn't help by allowing so many white streaked Skyfliers.

I first raised this a really long time ago because Twist and Skyflier were two of my first MIP ponies, but there's never really been anyone looking at it in detail like this. I thought I must be crazy because as I've mentioned before, it's not uncommon for me to identify 2 colours as being different when everyone else sees them as the same :/

I would think using up stock hair is a good explanation but because it's fading pink, it's probably impossible to totally prove it's not bleeding on any pony or that all of them had fading pink from the start. But I am super gratified that after about 15 years people are actually looking into it as a possibility.

It's like white haired Daisy Sweet. When I first raised that one I was told she was faded, but it's since been proven that the white haired one is a valid variation and clearly uses Sweet Lily hair instead of the gold (so maybe they ran out).

I think we may be back into batch territory. But if they aren't meant to have pink streaks, what are the odds of my Twist MOC and my Skyflier MOC and my loose Skyflier all having pink streaks? (I sadly can't get at loose Twist at the moment to check her). And I never thought of checking Sea Mist, but now I'm going to look at mine...

Yep, hers is pale pink as well...
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 05, 2018, 06:24:26 AM
Holy crap, guys, that is so, so weird. I think it might be an optical illusion about it being white because of her hair and coat color.  Because I just pulled out my "good" Skyflier, and peered closely, and she looks white. Compared it to her eyeballs, still pretty white. Separated her hair so it isn't laying on the red, still looks white. UNTIL I put her between brand new hair that matches that "fading pink" color, and Twilight's tail, and mine is definitely faded, but decidedly pink. 

Even putting BRAND NEW pink hair over top that color, it "looks" more white than pink, that bright color completely overpowers it.  It looks like white just picking up reflections of the hair and body depending on the context. It is the blue/black or yellow/gold dress all over again.

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Edit, so I took this outside because my indoor lighting was definitely skewing the color perception, it's far warmer. Comparison pics under spoiler.


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Ok, so, my comparisons.  With my Skyflier who needs a bath, and has a relatively thin streak.

Left to right, Dollyhair Virgin Snow, g1 Sunlight, Dollyhair Pussycat, and g3 flutter Honeysuckle flattened so you can see they're the exact same color when flattened.

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It is weird because even looking through my phone's screen her hair is decidedly pinker than with my naked eyes...not just in pics, even just looking while taking a pic.
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Here's the comparison across the spectrum.
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bunched up and thickened though, it's clear.
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But the ultimate test of that has me convinced that it is fading pink?  It FLUORESCES exactly like the "fading pink" color, and the white hair from the same era does not whatsoever.  Case closed right there as far as I am concerned.

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I wish I would have checked the other Skyflier so we can see if it's just a case of "some ponies used up some stock of some hair", or all of them have pink.

Ok, final edit, this is making me insane.
It fluoresces the same when the black light is at a distance, and the white appears not to.  But when you get close...
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With the brand new hair:
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Without:
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So cool!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: RoseNoire on August 05, 2018, 12:23:01 PM
Heh, I got a good one. lol.
For all my childood up until recently, I always though G3 Rainbow Wishes' symbol was a rosette instead of a Ferris Wheel. :'D
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Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 05, 2018, 12:41:40 PM
Heh, I got a good one. lol.
For all my childood up until recently, I always though G3 Rainbow Wishes' symbol was a rosette instead of a Ferris Wheel. :'D
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I seriously had no idea it was a Ferris wheel. Your girl is gorgeous! It does look like a rosette.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: RoseNoire on August 05, 2018, 01:12:35 PM
She's pretty, indeed. I suppose I'm glad I'm not the only one. :lol:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Haruna on August 05, 2018, 03:38:28 PM
But the ultimate test of that has me convinced that it is fading pink?  It FLUORESCES exactly like the "fading pink" color, and the white hair from the same era does not whatsoever.  Case closed right there as far as I am concerned.

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Whoa! That's pretty convincing.

I wonder if what Taffeta brought up as batch differences is a possibility? Some were made with a fading pink streak, and some were made with a white streak (when one or the other ran out)?

I really want to get my hands on my Skyflier counting book now -- I could have sworn the artist drew her with a white streak, but now I'm not sure. (I'm not at home right now or I would look.)
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 05, 2018, 05:35:29 PM
But the ultimate test of that has me convinced that it is fading pink?  It FLUORESCES exactly like the "fading pink" color, and the white hair from the same era does not whatsoever.  Case closed right there as far as I am concerned.

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Whoa! That's pretty convincing.

I wonder if what Taffeta brought up as batch differences is a possibility? Some were made with a fading pink streak, and some were made with a white streak (when one or the other ran out)?

I really want to get my hands on my Skyflier counting book now -- I could have sworn the artist drew her with a white streak, but now I'm not sure. (I'm not at home right now or I would look.)
 

Which pony is it that often has a faded mane, but a still bright tail?  Sunspot?  I might have to find one, because I want to see if the mane hair fluoresces like the old hair, but if her tail does like the new. That would be another "hair stock" mystery.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Esbayne on August 05, 2018, 05:44:12 PM
Heh, I got a good one. lol.
For all my childood up until recently, I always though G3 Rainbow Wishes' symbol was a rosette instead of a Ferris Wheel. :'D
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It does, now that you mention it! The only reason I knew it was a ferris wheel as a kid was because she was the amusement park pony, but it totally does look like that! It's a bizarre looking ferris wheel, lol!

Also I love the name Rainbow Wishes for her a lot more! Her name is Round N Round and the amusement park was called Rainbow Wishes Amusement Park, but I really like that name better for her. Round N Round has always struck me as a really weird name. xD
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 05, 2018, 06:44:13 PM
I think I want Rainbow Wishes now. She's got great colors, and a unique electronic symbol. I love carnivals. Is she hard to get hold of?
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on August 05, 2018, 07:08:32 PM
Heh, I got a good one. lol.
For all my childood up until recently, I always though G3 Rainbow Wishes' symbol was a rosette instead of a Ferris Wheel. :'D
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Round 'n Round is her name, though! Rainbow Wishes is her playset.

I think I want Rainbow Wishes now. She's got great colors, and a unique electronic symbol. I love carnivals. Is she hard to get hold of?

Don't think so, I just thrifted my Round 'n Round a while back.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Haruna on August 05, 2018, 07:31:32 PM
Which pony is it that often has a faded mane, but a still bright tail?  Sunspot?  I might have to find one, because I want to see if the mane hair fluoresces like the old hair, but if her tail does like the new. That would be another "hair stock" mystery.
I think Sunspot is one, along with Fancy Flower (the Sweetheart Sister). Yeah, that would be a good experiment!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: RoseNoire on August 05, 2018, 10:27:53 PM
@Esbayne @TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 Oospie, you're right ! I was supposed to know her name is Round-and-Round, I even grew up with the playset, I just didn't think it though when I searched for her name on Wikipedia.
Now that you think of it, yeah, Rainbow Wishes is a sweet name for her. I wonder what her French name is, I forgot, it's been so long since I played with her.  >_<
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Jocelyn on August 06, 2018, 04:14:00 AM
Okay, so is that a common problem for Fancy Flower? Because I've been lowkey searching for her for years. I kept on seeing sellers posting her with white hair/pink tail, and...this is going to sound stupid...I honestly thought everyone was just passing the same pony around, buying her then reselling her. For years, just that one Fancy Flower :lol: I guess that's a pony misconception....
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: scifipony on August 06, 2018, 07:28:40 AM
Heh, I got a good one. lol.
For all my childood up until recently, I always though G3 Rainbow Wishes' symbol was a rosette instead of a Ferris Wheel. :'D
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Up til now, I also thought it was a rosette, too. I never knew her name, either, so I always just nicknamed her "Rosette" since I knew there was an earlier pony with that name. XD
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 06, 2018, 10:59:18 AM
Round and Round does make more sense for a Ferris wheel pony, then a rosette pony.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 06, 2018, 11:40:24 AM
Which pony is it that often has a faded mane, but a still bright tail?  Sunspot?  I might have to find one, because I want to see if the mane hair fluoresces like the old hair, but if her tail does like the new. That would be another "hair stock" mystery.
I think Sunspot is one, along with Fancy Flower (the Sweetheart Sister). Yeah, that would be a good experiment!

ON IT because I also really want a Fancy Flower anyway!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: BlushingBlue on August 06, 2018, 09:22:13 PM
Which pony is it that often has a faded mane, but a still bright tail?  Sunspot?  I might have to find one, because I want to see if the mane hair fluoresces like the old hair, but if her tail does like the new. That would be another "hair stock" mystery.
I think Sunspot is one, along with Fancy Flower (the Sweetheart Sister). Yeah, that would be a good experiment!

ON IT because I also really want a Fancy Flower anyway!

Not to dissuade you at all from getting a Fancy Flower to experiment with, but if you're curious how permanent pink hair compares under UV--
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From left to right: Skyflier, Sunspot with permanent pink, Yum Yum with unfaded fading pink, Sunspot with faded fading pink, and Nightglider

My phone isn't great at picking up colors under black light, but hopefully you can tell that the permanent pink is quite its own thing. It fluoresces with a much pinker hue than the peachy color of fading pink (which is really just a lighter version of Skyflier's electric red).

More off-topic UV fun!
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My two Sunspots have a number of small differences -- tail colors, tinsel colors, the MO's cheek symbol -- but under black light, you can see even more variation between the two!

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Their bodies are pretty identical in normal light, but the mail order version glows pink while the store version glows yellow-orange. Even more surprising is that the MO's symbol shows an olive green sun face and the store version's is dark red!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 03:27:16 AM
These UV images are awesome. And you just confirmed something else I've been convinced of for ages - that variations in sparkle ponies are not all discolouration/fading as people often say.

I definitely have 2 completely different MO Star Hoppers down to how their symbols are printed. Your images kind of suggest that there may be more subtle differences too that we're not even aware of. Lots of different batches I imagine.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Khoufu on August 09, 2018, 07:23:45 AM
And to think the only glitter pony variation I've seen in person was 3 Sunspots where one had gold tinsel, one ha silver, and one had silver in her main and gold in her tail. I now own the latter and my friend said she has one with the same oddity.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 09, 2018, 07:42:40 AM



Not to dissuade you at all from getting a Fancy Flower to experiment with, but if you're curious how permanent pink hair compares under UV--

What I am looking for is a pony, manufactured as-is that might have more than one hair type.  I noticed that this ratty old Pinkie Pie I have has pretty much the same color hair as the fading pink in her streaks, but it glows like the new Dollyhair color replacement. I want to see if we can pinpoint a pink nylon hair reformulation, or pinpoint how sunlight fading affects the fluorescence. At least in loose terms.  I have a suspicion.  And I am willing to sacrifice this Pinkie to see if I can get her to fade to white, or to match g1 hair, if at all.

I've been experimenting with my ponies with mismatched bodies, and there's definitely different plastic batches there.  I have a baby Blossom who is really purple (Taffeta, I think you mentioned something about this recently, the dark Blossom vs. the greyer one), but her head is greying, and her head fluoresces while her body does not.

@BlushingBlue, your photo actually leads more credence to what I'm going to try out. I am suspecting that  I'll take photos with my DSLR so we can try to get reproducible images that others can test with the same camera settings.  With a variety of pony styles + new nylon hair.  I genuinely think these misfits with the non-fading tails had a formulation update that continues in nylon hair production today. And it would be a good thing to know if your pony will or won't fade. Or is faded.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 08:18:13 AM
I am just so happy someone with the skills to investigate is looking into this because it is just the kind of geeky data I love :D. And it is great at last batch and shade is being considered alongside fading for different colours as we probably can learn stuff about how they were made.

For example it has been mentioned before that german watercolor babies are sometimes more vivid than the US ones. Baby Mischief also definitely comes in two pink tones as well as all the hair variations.

@Khoufu I have seen those differences in Sunspot tinsel too...I have her MOC and have a feeling she not only has different hair shade intensity like we've been mentioning but possibly also conflicting tinsel. I have a feeling tinsel stuff also affects Napper...but tinsel variations I guess are a whole other topic...

Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 09, 2018, 09:03:08 AM
I just ordered a purple-skewing Galaxy to see if I can figure out why she's "normally" this slightly lavender-ish pink color, but some of them are bright neon pink, and are referred to as having "full body regrind". I'll see if I can dig up some Pantone swatch books to get actual, consistently measurable colors as the basis of comparison.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: BlushingBlue on August 09, 2018, 02:04:42 PM
And to think the only glitter pony variation I've seen in person was 3 Sunspots where one had gold tinsel, one ha silver, and one had silver in her main and gold in her tail. I now own the latter and my friend said she has one with the same oddity.

My store-version Napper also has mismatched tinsel, gold in her mane and silver in her tail. :biggrin: I'm sure the stations for mane-rooting and tail-assembly were different areas of the production line, but in the case of the Sparkle ponies, it seems like sometimes they were in whole different buildings!

Not to dissuade you at all from getting a Fancy Flower to experiment with, but if you're curious how permanent pink hair compares under UV--

What I am looking for is a pony, manufactured as-is that might have more than one hair type.  I noticed that this ratty old Pinkie Pie I have has pretty much the same color hair as the fading pink in her streaks, but it glows like the new Dollyhair color replacement. I want to see if we can pinpoint a pink nylon hair reformulation, or pinpoint how sunlight fading affects the fluorescence. At least in loose terms.  I have a suspicion.  And I am willing to sacrifice this Pinkie to see if I can get her to fade to white, or to match g1 hair, if at all.

Now I'm confused... Are you saying that new fading pink nylon fluoresces differently than what was used in G1? Aside from what can be attributed to fading, that's not my experience.

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Here are my aforementioned Sunspots, under regular indoor light:
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(Store has a permanent pink tail, half-faded fading pink mane; MO has half-faded fading pink tail, very faded mane)

Under black light:
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Their faded hair still glows under UV, but only a warm, creamy white without much of the peachy vibrancy of new. Permanent pink is, as ever, doing its own thing.

Under black light, with Sparkle Baby Wosserface with un-faded fading pink hair on top of them, and a hank of new fading pink nylon on top of her:
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(Interesting to note that the Sparkle baby matches the MO's body, not the store version.)

With what I have on hand, the new hair glows identically to original un-faded hair.

@BlushingBlue, your photo actually leads more credence to what I'm going to try out. I am suspecting that  I'll take photos with my DSLR so we can try to get reproducible images that others can test with the same camera settings.  With a variety of pony styles + new nylon hair. I genuinely think these misfits with the non-fading tails had a formulation update that continues in nylon hair production today. And it would be a good thing to know if your pony will or won't fade. Or is faded.

I wish you all the luck in your experiment -- reproducible results is the keystone of science! -- but unless I'm misunderstanding your meaning, I don't know that you'll be able to find much evidence for the statement I bolded. I've never run across a G3 with "permanent pink" hair, only fading pink and matte pink. (I think that's "pussycat" and "kitten" in Dollyhair terms?) And I don't think G4s reliably use nylon hair anymore...?

Okay, G3 nerdery ahoy!

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Here is that same hank of pussycat nylon, compared to Sunspot's permanent pink tail, Spring Parade's mane with unfaded fading pink streaks, and Starcatcher's white and half-faded fading-pink streaks:
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All these ponies are from my trade bin, btw... Just sayin. ;)

And again with Sparkle Baby's tail to compare:
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Sorry about the weird magenta speckles. My poor phone was flipping out by this point. :drunk:

What's interesting to me is the possibility of using black light to root out (ugh, pun not intended) instances of "rotting" G3 hair types.

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For instance, here are the different medium-pinks of Cute Curtsey (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Cute_Curtsey)(matte), Bumbleberry (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Bumbleberry)(translucent), and Green Apple (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Green_Apple)(rotting):
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Although it looks quite similar to the others in normal light, Green Apple's hair glows a strange, sickly shade of periwinkle under UV.

Much like using black light to hunt down age spots in ponies' vinyl, it could also be useful in checking for hidden weaknesses in similar-looking G3 hair types... before it suddenly snaps off at the root. :wonder: It's not a fix, but forewarned is forearmed.

Sorry, this is getting pretty off-topic, but I find it all very interesting! ^^; I'm looking forward to your write-up on Galaxy, flutterscotch!
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 04:39:27 PM
We are super off topic :( Maybe it needs a new thread.

Using the UV to root out rotting possibilities is a great idea though O.O.

As for non-fading Pink, I think Flutterscotch means the kind of pink that is more vivid and doesn't fade as easily...like that used on ponies like Clover and Love Story at the end of the line. Also some ponies like Sunspot tend to have vivid pink tails that don't fade as easy as the manes. At least I am guessing...
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on August 09, 2018, 05:16:56 PM
Another of mine was the pink mermaid pony was never made, as I never found her in all the years I had been searching till now. I had one come all the way from the land down under.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 09, 2018, 05:18:53 PM
Another of mine was the pink mermaid pony was never made, as I never found her in all the years I had been searching till now. I had one come all the way from the land down under.

Now I have that song in my head.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: cookifaa on August 10, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
Heh, I got a good one. lol.
For all my childood up until recently, I always though G3 Rainbow Wishes' symbol was a rosette instead of a Ferris Wheel. :'D
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Wait what? I always thought it was a Rosette too! A Ferris Wheel makes a lot more sense though seeing as though she came with the Rainbow Wishes Amusement Park :lol:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Safflower on August 20, 2018, 02:19:22 PM
About pony experiments - I wonder if the variations have different washers? (Or just sets like So Softs and Movie Star) I've noticed 5 different tail washers in ponies, so I have to wonder if it could be a clue, or at least another difference.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Sukey on August 22, 2018, 08:12:26 PM
I thought some of the female ponies were boys. I never knew that male ponies existed till I was an adult collector. I had never seen one when I was a child.
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: chateaushelton on August 23, 2018, 10:26:38 AM
I'm another one who was surprised when I found out that other countries had special G1 ponies that were not released in the US (Cascade, Kiss Curl, Baby Applejack, ect...)

Was surprised again when I learned that some G1 ponies (Bowtie, Confetti, Applejack) were released in other countries in different poses than the US releases.

And possibly my biggest misconception is that I'm done adding to my collection :lol:
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Taffeta on August 23, 2018, 11:28:50 AM

And possibly my biggest misconception is that I'm done adding to my collection :lol:

We all suffer from that one sometimes :)

I can relate on the others, though. It was weird to find out all these different ponies available across the sea...
Title: Re: What were your pony misconceptions?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 23, 2018, 11:29:30 AM
I'm another one who was surprised when I found out that other countries had special G1 ponies that were not released in the US (Cascade, Kiss Curl, Baby Applejack, ect...)

Was surprised again when I learned that some G1 ponies (Bowtie, Confetti, Applejack) were released in other countries in different poses than the US releases.

And possibly my biggest misconception is that I'm done adding to my collection :lol:

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