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Title: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (SPOILERS!)
Post by: Flitter on February 16, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
Update 3/21/19:
Episode 1-5 Synopses & Discussion Links
http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,394601.msg1764273.html#msg1764273

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Update 3/8/19:
FiM 'The Final Season' Trailer (Spoiler warning!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DvEJl4Hh0
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Update 2/27/19:
S9 Teaser Trailer! (Spoiler warning!)
https://youtu.be/fR8ZXSYtDSw

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It's been such a crazy run, hasn't it?  :hope:
I'm excited to see what the last season will bring.
It's a little bittersweet for me but I've been ready for it to end for quite a while now and am glad it's finally official.


Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Ponyfan on February 16, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
FIM has always been hit or miss for me. There's some episodes I love rewatching and some I've never been able to enjoy. 9 Seasons is a good run for  a show but I feel it's time to move on to another set of characters/generation. It will be interesting to see how it ends though.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Pinkie21 on February 16, 2019, 05:03:56 PM
I’m glad, TBH.  Though I’m hoping we don’t get stuck with the same characters for the next generation. 
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Minty_Magic on February 16, 2019, 08:14:03 PM
Definitely a little bittersweet, but it’s time for these characters to rest :) 9 seasons is an impressive run, and overall I enjoyed the show! I’m excited to see how they will wrap everything up.

I just hope the next chapter brings all new characters and not reboots. Frankly as sick as we all are of them toy wise, they were well loved by their fans and I think it would be best to let them officially retire and not try and revamp them!
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Mewtwofan1 on February 16, 2019, 10:49:34 PM
     Yeah, it is a bit sad. G4 was what got me into the pony scene, and got me interested in a career in animation. It is bittersweet, but after this crazy run, it is time to say goodbye. 9 years, a spin off, one movie (now confirmed 2)... it’s been a good, long run.
     I am quite curious as to How season nine, and the final episode will go. I hope they do it well, and I hope it satisfies our expectations of an ending. Do it justice, Y’know? And please, let’s have a full reboot for g5. I love the mane six, but I honestly cannot have another revamp full of them and the sea of re released figures. Let them retire, and stay retired for a good while.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Bright_Glow on February 17, 2019, 07:57:18 AM


Well, I guess as they used to say everything good need to end once. I remember when the first news about the My little pony Friendship is Magic came here to the MLP Arena forum after the terrible G3.5 episodes. I'm pretty sure that FIM burnt a deep memory in the fandom and the history of MLP so the memories, the fanarts and the fanfictions will remain with us and hopefully there will be a crossover with the next generation MLP too.

To be honest, I'm a bit jealous for the huge fandom the FIM could creat even bigger fandom than the earlier generations but I guess this is the evolution of the show even if many bronies ignores the previous generations.

Well, I guessed that the show is coming to the end when Hasbro announced the Movie so somehow I counted for it to happen.

Some of my disappoints of the show:
-The young six came too late even if this show is about ponies I still found it to be refreshing to have other creatures in the focus.
-Babs Seed, Moondancer and the Canterlot five. I wish their story would more than just one episode even if they are just background ponies.
All in all, I really enjoyed this 9 years and I'm looking forward to the next generation of My little pony.

PS: I think even the fandom sturted to exhausted by now. I mean the best tumblrs almost all ended by now, even Motheryscootalo.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Harmonie on February 17, 2019, 08:38:46 AM
Honestly, I'm finding it hard to even convince myself to watch the rest of Season 8. I got annoyed with how tailored the show became to Bronies among other things. The show is what got me into MLP, but thankfully I came to love the franchise as a whole later on. Hopefully G5 brings us more varied toys and less Brony pandering. Somehow I don't think I should get my hope up for either of those happening, though. =(
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: SaraMari on February 17, 2019, 10:29:32 AM
It's been limping along the past few years here, with writing that just obviously doesn't compare with the first several seasons. Like Harmonie above I just can't watch the rest of season 8 even as background noise when I exercise.

Personally I prefer it when shows end at a point where the quality is still high rather than drag on longer as writing and stories degrade just to grab more cash, but I know some would rather have a 5/10 season than none at all.

Overall though I was very excited by fim for the first 4-5 seasons I'm glad to see it go, be gone be done. I'm ready for something totally different but I know hasbro is likely too concerned with getting more brony money to stray too far.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Taffeta on February 17, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
Maybe this means we can go back to being a community instead of a 'fandom'.

Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Bright_Glow on February 17, 2019, 10:43:39 AM
Maybe this means we can go back to being a community instead of a 'fandom'.


I quite liked but this brony thing at the beginning but it quickly became irritating how many of these newcomers talked about the previous generations like like G1, G3 and G3 wasn't the part of the evolution which led to the great 4th generation MLP.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 17, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
If this is the case, then it is sad, because G4 means a lot to me, but the G4 that mattered ultimately to me was Season 1 to Season 3 (or 4) with the stuff I liked from the later seasons thrown in.

I'm actually hoping that the better bronies will remain as part of the fandom, and continue to do some awesome stuff for G4 and the previous generations (and the latter ones if they choose to) - I hope G5 onwards gets a decent fandom/community (same thing to me), regardless of what I end up thinking about it, but I ultimately know that the love for G4 won't end when the show does.

I'm still going to be working on my G4 project (in fact, it's ultimately a multi-gen project in the guise of a G4 one.)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on February 17, 2019, 04:31:48 PM
Since everyone is writing their piece on the show, I will too:
I remember coming home from volunteer work at my Church because I wanted to catch the first episode of the new MLP show, because I remember my sisters having some from childhood and it looked interested. I was 11 when the show first premiered, and I was hooked instantly.
This was my introduction into MLP, and although I look upon G4 with a bit of sadness at what could have been in the toyline, the first seasons of the show are drilled into my mind and I can't forget the first year of me looking for all of the characters in the mane 6. I remember I got Fluttershy last, and I remember picking up my first MLP toys (Canterlot set with Starbeam Twinkle and Blossomforth).
The show has had a huge impact on me growing up from middle school to entering college, and I can't wait to see how the community will evolve once all is said and done.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: achab1984 on February 17, 2019, 06:03:16 PM
Will there still new ponies after this comes to an end? Or do you think Hasbro is done with ponies?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: lalalei2001 on February 17, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
Will there still new ponies after this comes to an end? Or do you think Hasbro is done with ponies?

There's a new movie coming out in 2012, which a lot of people think will be an introduction to G5, so there'll definitely be ponies in some form.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: SpacePinto on February 17, 2019, 11:49:02 PM
To tell you the truth I should probably be glad but let's be honest, G5 is just going to be continuation of it so it's not like much will change...
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Lilja on February 18, 2019, 01:57:35 AM
I still haven't finished season 7, but I'll get there! :lol: It's great that the show managed to last so long though. Even if it has started to feel a bit "tired" in later seasons, every once in a while they still put out some really good episodes.

I really appreciate FIM. The lore and characters have always been an important part of MLP ever since I was a child. So it was sad to realize as an adult how joyless and low effort the G1 show was. But hey, it's what can be expected of a show whose primary function was to sell toys. I know a lot of kids back then didn't pay much attention to the cartoons or story books and just made up their own world/characters with their ponies, so I can understand those people being a bit underwhelmed with the FIM marketing strategy of today.

I'm glad FIM was helmed by someone who not only wanted to tell engaging stories with fun characters, but also had a strong affinity for MLP since childhood. And Faust was surely one of the kids who completely made up their own adventures with their ponies. It's really cool how her childhood vision became part of official MLP lore. Part of me thinks we'll probably never see a MLP show as good as FIM was, but who knows. Hasbro seems to at least have understood the value of quality stories/characters and not just putting whatever out there because "eh, if the kids like the toys they'll watch anything". Maybe someone who grew up loving FIM will get to create an even better MLP show in the future.

But yeah, the show needs to come to an end. Some plot points are beyond contrived at this point. It's a testament to the writers' ability that they can write around these and still put out good episodes. Starting over with a blank slate will be good for everyone.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Taffeta on February 18, 2019, 02:30:04 AM
G1 had multiple canons, whereas G4 had only one.

I was never a fan of the G1 cartoons to any great degree, but FIM gave me a new appreciation for the G1 show. FIM has made me realise we were lucky in the 1980s not to have a forced theme underpinning the entirety of the animation that was produced. The forced and largely unbelievable messages about 'friendship' are frankly chilling on occasion, and the behaviour of the wider fandom that supported it has kind of borne that out.

The comics will always be better for me for G1. I think G1 was about selling toys, and the toys themselves carried the canon on their cards, so the animation was kind of secondary. That said, I still like the G1 animation much more now for having seen FIM. Thank goodness I grew up with Ice Cream Wars and Revolt of PE...

I am not at all sad to see the end of this show, it's gone on too long and has preached really disturbing themes on occasion. But I also hope that the not scary bronies will come more into the central community and be part of that as well. I don't hate G4 as a concept. I dislike the overspill of M6 toys, and I think the series is morally irresponsible with its messages far too often - but it's deserved its run and its popularity. It's just time to move on to something new. Something where imposing superiority is not the main goal.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Lilja on February 18, 2019, 03:39:22 AM
G1 had multiple canons, whereas G4 had only one.

Actually I already had this in mind as a child. I didn't get to see the movie until I was 10 (but had seen basically everything else), so before that I considered the two specials and the TV series to be different continuities. The "Dream Castle series" and the "Paradise Estate series". The comics were obviously part of the Dream Castle series. Not until I saw the movie did I learn the connection. But even then, with the way characters changed around it was hard to consider it all part of the same universe. And that's before Tales came around!

(In other words, I've always been thinking way too much about these things :biggrin:)

Yeah, the constant need to push "friendship lessons" was definitely one of the things that made FIM feel increasingly contrived. I guess they felt they had to since it's in the title. Most of the episodes have been about the relationships between the characters anyway, so I think it was fine like that. They didn't need to be so overt about it. Especially since the writers didn't seem think too deeply of the implications in some cases.

The Brony cultural phenomenon sure is due for a deep critical analysis. There's been positive and negative aspects, but since society at large mocked them for being guys enjoying a girls' thing, I've found it hard to bring up the negative aspects. But there sure is a lot more to it than that.

So, I hope the next generation can move forward without the aggressive pushing of friendship lessons. And that people can feel more free to enjoy it on their own terms without needing the support of an internet movement.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 18, 2019, 05:04:19 AM
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I'm glad FIM was helmed by someone who not only wanted to tell engaging stories with fun characters, but also had a strong affinity for MLP since childhood. And Faust was surely one of the kids who completely made up their own adventures with their ponies. It's really cool how her childhood vision became part of official MLP lore.
She was.  That was actually the main reason I ended up respecting her, and finding her relatable at least in that place - she was a fan who got to do her version of things professionally.  I'm sure that happens a lot, but I love it when it does.

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G1 had multiple canons, whereas G4 had only one.
G4 has at least two canons - the comics are their own thing.  It could be seen as an alternative canon, though, so that could be what you meant?  I have no idea if the toyline really has a canon (doubtful, as G1 got the most detailed backcards.)

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Yeah, the constant need to push "friendship lessons" was definitely one of the things that made FIM feel increasingly contrived.
Yeah, I feel they should have stopped the "friendship lessons" after a point, and stopped it being a "moral show" - it worked when the Mane Six were just starting to make friends (I know they probably all knew each other before Twilight Sparkle, but we didn't know that for sure back then, apart from Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy), but now they're all long term friends, it doesn't.  Realistically, the Mane Six wouldn't do the things they do at this point - a lot of things seem really forced just to include a moral, and many episodes would benefit with no moral at all.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 18, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Let us toast FiM's long postponed demise.

I'm with Taffeta on this show.  I think as it went along the need to tie everything into friendship made this show rather macabre at times with its lessons.  Starlight is a cult leader and terrorist, but Twilight made her her student?  What?  I think it was allowed to go on for too long.

I don't know how it will end, but I really don't care.  It's just coming to an end.

Now I'm worried about G5 because I fear the only lesson Hasbro learned from Transformers Generation 2 was not packaging the old series with stupid CGI transitions.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 18, 2019, 08:23:30 AM
So long, farewell, don't bother to write! The show is average and pushy with its friendship messages, the animation is flat and ugly and the toyline repetetive mess. I will not miss it.

At Lilja. Its not about them being guys that like girly things. There are older MLP fans, Sailor Moon fans, Powerpuff Girl fans, Care Bear fans, Rainbowbrite fans and Jem fans who are guys. It was about the toxic majoritys being allowed to run amok and  harass people, pushing the show like it was a religion and crying foul when people told them off for their appalling behaviour.

I hope the end takes all the nasties down with it. We'll keep the kind, decent ones though.

Anywho the Mane Six needs to Be Gone and Stay Gone! No. More. I'm sooo tired of them.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Lilja on February 18, 2019, 09:12:32 AM
Now I'm worried about G5 because I fear the only lesson Hasbro learned from Transformers Generation 2 was not packaging the old series with stupid CGI transitions.

TBH, I will find it a little bit funny if the next show is just FIM again but with 3D scene transitions. :lol:

At Lilja. Its not about them being guys that like girly things. There are older MLP fans, Sailor Moon fans, Powerpuff Girl fans, Care Bear fans, Rainbowbrite fans and Jem fans who are guys. It was about the toxic majoritys being allowed to run amok and  harass people, pushing the show like it was a religion and crying foul when people told them off for their appalling behaviour.

Yes, but most people outside the MLP community were not aware of these behaviors. The reason bronies were despised outside the MLP community was because people are generally appalled by guys liking girl things. Which is why it was so important to bronies to always stress that "G4 is DIFFERENT! It's not like the other bad girly MLP!!". Of course, to anyone not into MLP it's still all the same. I remember talking to someone at a convention about how despite being a MLP fan, I tend to distance myself from the brony label because of their behavior online. And I could tell they interpreted my words as if I just thought male MLP fans were creepy. So it's hard to talk about with someone "not in the know".

All in all, I'm not sure I can say whether the brony phenomenon was a good or bad thing. It did highlight something bad in our culture, but maybe it's helped us move beyond it a little bit? We'll see.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 18, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
They dragged their appalling behavior out and annoyed other geeky communities too. When people who aren't into mlp speak of them, the bulk of the complaints are:  "They're really rude and pushy" "The fans are really toxic." "The fans are creepy." And that's some of the tamer comments.
So yes, they are known outside of the mlp community for their bad behaviour.

That's my last word on the subject as I don't wish to derail the thread further and get it locked.

My apologies.


Back OT: How many episodes are left and have you guys enjoyed some of the new stuff?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on February 18, 2019, 10:11:32 AM
Back OT: How many episodes are left and have you guys enjoyed some of the new stuff?

I don't think season 9's started yet, so there's still a full 26 left.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on February 18, 2019, 10:22:50 AM
I just really hope they wrap up Chrysalis. I wouldn't be surprised with a reformation at this point but I don't want them to leave her thread untied.
And maybe confront Cozy Glow being in Tartarus? She's a child. Why wasn't Cozy Glow Chrysalis?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 18, 2019, 10:32:47 AM
Back OT: How many episodes are left and have you guys enjoyed some of the new stuff?

I don't think season 9's started yet, so there's still a full 26 left.

Ahh. Well I hope you guys get some enjoyable episodes.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 18, 2019, 10:39:50 AM
I just really hope they wrap up Chrysalis. I wouldn't be surprised with a reformation at this point but I don't want them to leave her thread untied.
And maybe confront Cozy Glow being in Tartarus? She's a child. Why wasn't Cozy Glow Chrysalis?
I'm actually hoping they don't wrap up Chrysalis's storyline - I don't want her reformed, and I don't want her dead.  I know I'm being childish, but I want my favorite villain unresolved (even thought I know I can do what I want with her in fanon anyway.)

I feel they over did her though - I wish they'd kept her at one or two appearances in the show, and maybe her comic book appearance.

The Cozy Glow thing was just stupid - is there no juvenile centers in Equestria?  Why send a foal to somewhere that could be comparable to Hell, much less so close to an actual villain that she could easily work together with?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Lilja on February 18, 2019, 10:55:32 AM
They dragged their appalling behavior out and annoyed other geeky communities too. When people who aren't into mlp speak of them, the bulk of the complaints are:  "They're really rude and pushy" "The fans are really toxic." "The fans are creepy." And that's some of the tamer comments.
So yes, they are known outside of the mlp community for their bad behaviour.

There's been a bit of that for sure. I guess with "outside the MLP community" I meant the general public, rather than other geek communities. But it's a complicated topic that's difficult to sum up in a few words. Insecure young men seem especially prone to toxic behavior, no matter the context. What I would like to work towards, is that they won't have to feel so insecure about what they enjoy. But I think we might've made some progress in that regard since 2010, or at least so I hope.

One thing I'm wondering is if we'll get another full series after FIM, or if they'll go back to just having movies once in a while. I don't think we'll get a series as long-running as FIM (probably never again). Also, if we do get episodes I'm thinking they might be shorter. It seems few cartoons these days have episodes that run longer than 10 minutes. And some FIM episodes did feel drawn out at times to fill the runtime (like with the five minute musical numbers, as enjoyable as they can be :biggrin:).
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 18, 2019, 10:58:46 AM
Yeah I've noticed that about the ten minute trend too Lilja. Its even struck Hasbro in their recent transformers cartoon.  :huh:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: lonewolf on February 18, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
Knew this moment was coming since last year thanks to the leaks, but it still hurts to see it.  It's been a big part of my life for the last 9 years (WAY more than any of the previous generations of MLP have been).
Most fans on that side are accepting it (really it's a mixed bag of opinions), but there's some causing drama about it (including one person I saw saying they'll end themselves after S9.), of course this type of drama will continue for awhile (there's still some ranting about Twilight becoming an alicorn in S3).
With Bronycon ending this year also I think there will be a fairly sharp drop in the fandom, especially if G5 doesn't hold a candle to G4. Some of those fans will continue to make fanmade stories, art, etc long after the end, and ultimately conventions may disappear in favor of small 1 day meetups.
 As for me: It's a wait and see thing. If G5 reverts back to G3/3.5 style stories or they change the characters of the main 6 (like Applejack no longer being from the country, which was hinted at in the leak), then I probably won't be interested. Same with the toys if they don't look that good (the reason I don't get G4.5 ones).

As for what I want to see in S9: I'd like to see the comics and EqG firmly tied into the show (like Sunset or the portal appearing, and Luna's pet opossum Tiberius showing up). And of course more Maud, kirin, Luna, and bat ponies. Have all loose end stories tied up, and see Scootaloo fly.

And maybe have Glimmy become an alicorn (the salt that would cause would be awesome  :devious: ).
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Ponyfan on February 18, 2019, 12:57:14 PM
I think that Cozy Glow might still be Chrysalis. One thing I can't figure out about Chrysalis is that she has gone after Starlight for revenge but not Thorax who also played a big part in her defeat but whenever she appears Chrysalis is only after Starlight.

Placing Cozy in Tartarus right next to Tirek was a bad idea and I'm sure the Season 9 opener will show us how bad of a decision that was. 



Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Taffeta on February 18, 2019, 12:58:52 PM
Part of the problem with the toxicity is the willingness of the creators to feed it by catering to the fandom. If they hadn't done that, the toxic element would probably have got bored and moved on and left the real fans behind rather than them having to defend themselves as not being that kind of brony.

So as not to get the thread locked, I will refrain from sharing the non-MLP-rcommunity contexts in which I have encountered brony toxicity. Instead I'll go back to the show, although I think the behaviour of said community demonstrates the problems of the way the show message is transmitted. It's still that ep with the Griffins and the cultural treasure that Dash and Pinkie destroy (But it's ok cos now you have something better, friendship!) that chills me to the bone. The world is in a big mess precisely because of that kind of ideology.

But I do also think it has probably poisoned the direction in which MLP will now go forever. And that hurts me way more than the entire existence of G4, its series, and its fandom. Because each generation should be a thing. But I feel like we're never going to lose Pinkie Pie now.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 18, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
The Cozy Glow thing was just stupid - is there no juvenile centers in Equestria?  Why send a foal to somewhere that could be comparable to Hell, much less so close to an actual villain that she could easily work together with?
And yet the xenophobic Betsy DeVos pony gets reformed.  What logic went into that decision?

The problem is the staff are really not that great.  So praise to them is mana from heaven no matter what the source.  I also personally believe the writers actually agree with the fandom on its more toxic ideologies.  This is the show that condoned racism in its second season.  They also seem to have the same desperate need for validation with their stringing along stupid ideas like Scootaloo being supposedly disable and Applejack's parents being dead despite neither having actual substance to give them true impact.  Really, they were meant for each other but sadly it's being done on the back of My Little Pony.

As for Pinkie Pie.  While I imagine Pinkie Pies are just the future, could they make future incarnations frequently recurring characters.  I had the idea where Pinkie Pie is like the mayor from Paw Patrol (the woman mayor of the PP's town, not the evil guy with the cats).
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Ponyfan on February 18, 2019, 01:20:07 PM
I feel the same way about the episode that introduced Thorax. Even though I like Thorax as a character 90% of the episode is the ponies (including Twilight) saying that all Changelings are bad and can't be trusted and it isn't until Spike gets brave enough to speak up for Thorax that the ponies suddenly admit they were wrong and welcome Thorax.

Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 18, 2019, 01:41:50 PM
One thing I can't figure out about Chrysalis is that she has gone after Starlight for revenge but not Thorax who also played a big part in her defeat but whenever she appears Chrysalis is only after Starlight.

Ponyfan
Yeah, that's a good point.  If anything she should be seeking revenge against Thorax more than anyone, because he not only overthrew her, he'd also be a traitor from her perspective...
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Ponyfan on February 18, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
One thing I can't figure out about Chrysalis is that she has gone after Starlight for revenge but not Thorax who also played a big part in her defeat but whenever she appears Chrysalis is only after Starlight.

Ponyfan
Yeah, that's a good point.  If anything she should be seeking revenge against Thorax more than anyone, because he not only overthrew her, he'd also be a traitor from her perspective...

I think she even called him a traitor in the 2 part episode where he helped defeat her and he is ruling the Changelings now so it just doesn't make sense to me to take all her revenge out on Starlight. Why haven't we seen her at least try to challenge Thorax?


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: StarSwirl05 on February 18, 2019, 06:34:38 PM
Can't say I'm gonna miss it. Hasn't really been that enjoyable since like the Season 5 finale.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Bright_Glow on February 19, 2019, 09:21:41 AM
I believe there are some unfinished stories and ignored possibilities during the seasons like for me I would love to see an episode where the CMC visits Babs Seed in Manehatten and the local CMC or Twilight Sparkle introduce Moondancer and her old friends to her Ponyville friends.

Oh, I would love to see Sunset Simmer's reaction when Twilight Sparkle tells her about her School of friendship.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Sparkle Pony on February 19, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
It is a bit sad to see it go.  I and many others were introduced to the broader joy of the MLP franchise via FiM.  However, 9 seasons is frankly an insane number for any show and at this point I am well and truly burnt out on both FiM and G4.  I hope the series moves on after this but it seems a bit unlikely.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: sailorstitch on February 19, 2019, 01:46:39 PM
Because each generation should be a thing. But I feel like we're never going to lose Pinkie Pie now.

If G5 has another reincarnation of Pinkie Pie as a main character,  I'm going to scream!  :rant: :rant: :rant:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 19, 2019, 02:29:20 PM
Because each generation should be a thing. But I feel like we're never going to lose Pinkie Pie now.

If G5 has another reincarnation of Pinkie Pie as a main character,  I'm going to scream!  :rant: :rant: :rant:

I know.  :enraged:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 19, 2019, 06:57:27 PM
Because each generation should be a thing. But I feel like we're never going to lose Pinkie Pie now.

If G5 has another reincarnation of Pinkie Pie as a main character,  I'm going to scream!  :rant: :rant: :rant:

I know.  :enraged:
And if there had to be a Pinkie Pie, can we not have another LOL random pony who sounds like she breathes heliox instead of air?  And let's launch dumb jock Rainbow Dash into the sun while we're at it.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Zapper on February 22, 2019, 11:04:23 AM
I wish G5 would come sooner. I made my peace with the fact it's just going to be a reboot. At least it has the potential to give us a fresh new look.

I came back on just to check if there were more announcements for the next show/movie. Really don't care about yet another rainbow thing. Just make sure Starlight gets to be an alicorn in the end :biggrin: Make her queen!

Post Merge: February 22, 2019, 11:09:08 AM

The forced and largely unbelievable messages about 'friendship' are frankly chilling on occasion (...)

I will never ever forget the episode about stealing land from natives then Pinkie Pie doing a song and dance number about "sharing and caring". That has got to be one of the most messed up messages the show ever produced. That was early in when Lauren Faust was still on. I'll never let that one go :P
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Taffeta on February 22, 2019, 12:35:30 PM
I wish G5 would come sooner. I made my peace with the fact it's just going to be a reboot. At least it has the potential to give us a fresh new look.

I came back on just to check if there were more announcements for the next show/movie. Really don't care about yet another rainbow thing. Just make sure Starlight gets to be an alicorn in the end :biggrin: Make her queen!

Post Merge: February 22, 2019, 11:09:08 AM

The forced and largely unbelievable messages about 'friendship' are frankly chilling on occasion (...)

I will never ever forget the episode about stealing land from natives then Pinkie Pie doing a song and dance number about "sharing and caring". That has got to be one of the most messed up messages the show ever produced. That was early in when Lauren Faust was still on. I'll never let that one go :P

I don't know if it's the same one, but the one where they smash the griffins' precious statue and lecture them on being friends with each other, then decide friendship is better than some traditional treasure...creeps me out. Colonialism 101.

I just want Pinkie Pie gone. At this point everything about her annoys me. Her shade of pink. Her stupid name which was never funny or clever in G3 (what is a pinkie pie anyway? I so asked that in 2003, before deciding NOT to buy her). The fact she's the most annoying animated character in a long while just adds to the sensation. I don't think she's really that random, either. She tries to be, and tries to be funny. Which makes her neither random nor funny. It's forced and it doesn't fly. And Hasbro are obsessed with her. But judging by stores here, kids in my area aren;t.

Slightly OT but I was in Entertainer in Wimbledon yesterday. I swear, I almost took a photo of the stock shelf just to illustrate how dead this franchise is in these parts.

On the top shelf were dolls (Lemon Zest I think) from the Friendship Games release.
A little further down, a shelf with scattered ponies on card. Including pearlies wave 1. Coloratura included.
Some minis. All from a pretty early set from about three years ago.
Lots of movie stuff.
Cheese Sandwich GOH which has never sold. Ever.
And Pinkie Sea Pie in her silly water whatever it is set.
End stocklist.

...And that's in LONDON. Says everything, doesn't it.

The franchise needs to start over. I don't think that a lukewarm reboot will actually work, to be honest. I'm morally opposed to it, but I also see it pragmatically as the death of MLP because FIM has been SO successful, but now it's squeezed dry. And if you try and ride on the coattails of the success of FIM and don't change everything, you get the bored people who have moved on not caring, and the kids not really getting on board because it's not new and other things are now more important to them.

Monster High attempted this. It failed hugely. MH has bombed pathetically out of existence as a result. I would rather see MLP take a break, reinvent itself entirely (even if it's into something I don't like) and then start over, if we're to have another generation. If MLP reboots in a lukewarm kind of way, it risks killing the overall franchise forever, by trapping it into a concept that's already run dry.

G1, G2, G3 and G4 were all different enough to spark their own toy line. OK, G2 failed in the US, but it didn't fail in Europe, so it still had something going for it. And it was different. G5 needs to do that too. Hasbro need to remember they can sell franchise rights all they like, but they are a TOY company. And if they are going to produce TOYS that will sell for nine years or so, it has to start with something new, brilliant and that kids are going to go for - not a rehash of the same stuff still sitting on the shelf in Wimbledon three years later.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 22, 2019, 01:13:04 PM
FiM hasn't even been successful since 2014 and the end of Season 4.  If you look at the ratings, it's been in freefall ever since.  The movie was supposed to do $60M in North America and $100M globally.  The actual numbers were $21M and $60M respectively.  And don't throw that $6.5M budget number at me.  That's how much they're willing to admit they spent.  All those big names, buying completely new technology that as of yet seems to be only have been used on this movie, and year in development hell screams a lot of hidden costs.  Especially when they released those forecast numbers.  And all this wouldn't mean much for previous generations that did not depend on their media that much, but it's fatal to Friendship is Magic which has depended on it media.

I've seen the hodgepodge of pony stuff in the toy isle.  I haven't taken a close look, but I wouldn't be all surprised if it was like when Taffeta describes.

I've said this so many times.  This has Transformers Generation 2 written all over it.  These characters will not capture the attention of people who weren't interested to begin with and the changes will alienate the people already here.  This business plan has already failed Hasbro and I don't know why they're trying it again 30 years later.

As for the two events you're thinking of, they are different episodes.  The buffalo one was first season and the griffin one was from season five.  However, how friendship has mutated in this show is terrifying.  And there are plenty of other sins throughout its run.

And they do focus on the most annoying characters.  I know Twilight, Pinkie, and Rainbow are the most dominant personalities, but they're also the most obnoxious.

Sadly, I think they meta episode we got last year where the characters essentially plugged their ears and yelled "nah, nah, nah" in the face of critics illustrates how this staff views criticism of their work.  Their you know what doesn't stink as far as they're concerned.  So everything we're worried about will likely come to pass because they think it's good and cannot be convinced otherwise.  The only that will convince them is Hasbro saying "No".
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Sora on February 22, 2019, 02:33:27 PM
Like others have said, I'm glad the show is finally ending. Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy it! But I also started to grow tired of the forced friendship messages among other things. Anyone remember how Pinkie Pie basically harassed Cranky until she could find something to make him like her?

...And that's in LONDON. Says everything, doesn't it.
I worked for Entertainer over the Christmas period, and I'm pretty sure they just order the exact same items for all of their stores. We had so many boxes of those blasted Cheese Sandwich sets... They really filled up the back shelves.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: StarSwirl05 on February 22, 2019, 03:11:00 PM
FiM hasn't even been successful since 2014 and the end of Season 4.  If you look at the ratings, it's been in freefall ever since.  The movie was supposed to do $60M in North America and $100M globally.  The actual numbers were $21M and $60M respectively.  And don't throw that $6.5M budget number at me. 
I wasn't aware it did that badly. I thought the 65 mil was how much it actually earned. Where did you find this out if I may ask?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Ponyfan on February 22, 2019, 03:16:19 PM
I am ready for a completely new MLP generation also. FIM has always been hit or miss for me anyway and if the next MLP is just the same characters with some minor changes I'm pretty sure I won't be buying the toys or have much interest in the show. I'm ready for Twilight and her friends to retire.


One the episodes that I really disliked was the one that introduced the yaks. The ponies tried to make them feel at home and the yaks destroyed everything and then Pinkie said that they shouldn't try to make the yaks feel comfortable in a new place but should show them what was unique about Ponyville. I think that's a terrible message because if I were a guest at someone's house I'd want them to make me feel at home.



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Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 22, 2019, 04:23:17 PM
FiM hasn't even been successful since 2014 and the end of Season 4.  If you look at the ratings, it's been in freefall ever since.  The movie was supposed to do $60M in North America and $100M globally.  The actual numbers were $21M and $60M respectively.  And don't throw that $6.5M budget number at me.  That's how much they're willing to admit they spent.  All those big names, buying completely new technology that as of yet seems to be only have been used on this movie, and year in development hell screams a lot of hidden costs.  Especially when they released those forecast numbers.  And all this wouldn't mean much for previous generations that did not depend on their media that much, but it's fatal to Friendship is Magic which has depended on it media.

I've seen the hodgepodge of pony stuff in the toy isle.  I haven't taken a close look, but I wouldn't be all surprised if it was like when Taffeta describes.

I've said this so many times.  This has Transformers Generation 2 written all over it.  These characters will not capture the attention of people who weren't interested to begin with and the changes will alienate the people already here.  This business plan has already failed Hasbro and I don't know why they're trying it again 30 years later.

As for the two events you're thinking of, they are different episodes.  The buffalo one was first season and the griffin one was from season five.  However, how friendship has mutated in this show is terrifying.  And there are plenty of other sins throughout its run.

And they do focus on the most annoying characters.  I know Twilight, Pinkie, and Rainbow are the most dominant personalities, but they're also the most obnoxious.

Sadly, I think they meta episode we got last year where the characters essentially plugged their ears and yelled "nah, nah, nah" in the face of critics illustrates how this staff views criticism of their work.  Their you know what doesn't stink as far as they're concerned.  So everything we're worried about will likely come to pass because they think it's good and cannot be convinced otherwise.  The only that will convince them is Hasbro saying "No".

But they're bringing in a new team right? So wouldn't mane six ad naseum 2.0 be solely the fault of hasbro when/if it flops.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 23, 2019, 03:49:23 AM
FiM hasn't even been successful since 2014 and the end of Season 4.  If you look at the ratings, it's been in freefall ever since.  The movie was supposed to do $60M in North America and $100M globally.  The actual numbers were $21M and $60M respectively.  And don't throw that $6.5M budget number at me. 
I wasn't aware it did that badly. I thought the 65 mil was how much it actually earned. Where did you find this out if I may ask?
Box Office Mojo for the movie.  The Wikipedia page keeps track of the show's ratings through a site that tracks the Top 150 programs for a given time slot.  Every episode of Season 4 hit the Top 150, none of Season 8 did.

Anyway, I thought it was leaked that Meghan McCarthy was still going to be in charge of the new series.  Which has me worried since a lot of the toxic messaging has come at her direction.  And ultimately it is Hasbro that would be the ones saying just do the Main Six again.  Which again makes me wonder if the people in Rhode Island have forgotten what a complete failure Transformers Generation 2 was.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Zapper on February 23, 2019, 04:53:51 AM
I feel like we're never going to lose Pinkie Pie now.

I feel like Pinkie has become for MLP what Bumblebee has become for Transformers. She is standing out because of her color scheme and she is supposed to be the character kids should relate and gravitade towards. Just like Bumblebee her character changed but visually she stayed looking similar to the older designs.

I never liked Pinkie in G3 as a character. She was just the boss of everyone and didn't even have good leadership skills (justice for Kimono).
Pinkie in G4 could have worked for me if not for the randoooom/4thwall breaking outbursts and insanely high pitched voice. She had moments when she was handled better. Like the episodes with her sister that were all about Pinkie being more thoughtful of others.
When she was just a loud meme machine I wanted to shoot her out of that cannon and into the sun. She just isn't a good kid appeal character, imo. Because she makes kids hyper and nervous. Witnessing little kids mimic Pinkie Pie was one of the worst babysitting experiences of my life :lol:

But yeah, she is not going anywhere. So I am hoping for a character overhaul with a slight tweak in coloration. She needs something that breaks up all that pink on pink. Like a strand of hair that is a different color.

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I also think being a pegasus would fit her better and I loved that redesign with the feathery tail. There she could be all full of energy without constantly shooting a cannon or talking to the camera. Instead she could be flying around doing tricks and Rainbow Dash could finally be more of a daredevil than a show-off. Just tone down all of their annoying traits and diversify their characters instead of doing yet again these Lauren Faust stereotypes.
When you look at Lauren's resumee it's all repeats of character tropes she likes. The loud girly one without braincells,  the loyal tomboy who is also rude for no reason (us soft spoken tomboys do exist :P), the soft spoken nature lover who can't stand up for herself because she is just too feminine. Make it end.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Ponyfan on February 23, 2019, 05:50:28 AM
Most of the Mane 6 can annoy me at times although Pinkie gets on my nerves pretty easily especially when most of the episode is her making silly faces for no reason or saying completely random things all the time.  It stopped being funny a long time ago. Twilight also gets to me when she makes a friendship mistake because she is supposed to be the best pony at friendship yet there are times when she judges another character too harshly or is too lenient (Starlight Glimmer) so it's hard for me to completely believe that Twilight is really as good at friendship as the show wants us to think.

One thing I didn't like was reforming Diamond Tiara. I liked that she was a bully to the CMC because I felt that it was realistic. Not everyone you meet is going to like you and just "being nice until the bully is your friend" doesn't always work.


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Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Taffeta on February 23, 2019, 07:29:52 AM
It's as if FIM are scared to present the possibility that you might just not be able to make friends with someone, because reasons. It's trying to force down the throats of kids the idea that YOU CAN befriend everyone! So the message beneath that is that if someone won't be your friend after you have tried to befriend them, there's something wrong with you :/

I just find the whole thing obnoxious. But I could deal with obnoxious. It's the politically dodgy sentiments that stink of colonising another country with your idea mantra that I have problems with. That and Dash's animal cruelty episode. Because making animals race around for you (animals as forced entertainment?) to prove they are worthy of YOU when you can't even show kindness to them bothers me. But what bothers me more is that the one she abuses most keeps coming back for more and insists on forging a long term relationship with her as her pet/companion/whatever. So now we have encouraging kids to continue an abusive friendship with someone who bullies them, but then takes advantage of them when they're needed. Not cool. Not cool.

Pinkie looked amazing as one of the Rainbow Rocks ponies. I have that Pinkie here in London with me. I found her at the carboot sale. She has a mix of colours in her mane and patterns on her body other than just her symbol. It makes her look like not-pinkie. It makes her look presentable and interesting.

Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 23, 2019, 10:08:06 AM

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When you look at Lauren's resumee it's all repeats of character tropes she likes. The loud girly one without braincells,  the loyal tomboy who is also rude for no reason (us soft spoken tomboys do exist :P), the soft spoken nature lover who can't stand up for herself because she is just too feminine. Make it end.

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The loud girly one had brain cells, though - she was actually very intelligent, but that was easily missed because of her goofy fun-loving personality, and that character trait happened when Lauren was running the show.

I'm not doubting that Lauren sticks to character traits she likes, because I'm sure a lot of writers at least go through a phase of doing that (I will try to have as many different character types as I can, but there are bound to be ones I like, and I can already think of one), but can you give other examples?  The only other characters of Lauren's I can think of are The Galaxy Girls - and they don't have a show yet.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Zapper on February 23, 2019, 10:25:11 AM

One thing I didn't like was reforming Diamond Tiara. I liked that she was a bully to the CMC because I felt that it was realistic. Not everyone you meet is going to like you and just "being nice until the bully is your friend" doesn't always work.

I think DT was one of the better reformations because it felt more organic. She wasn't healed by friendship, she was finally ditched by her BFF/minion and was shown that nobody likes her.
What I thought was too over the top was the fact we were shown a "reason" why she bullies others. Her parents raised her that way by telling her she was better than everyone else.
I get that FiM is for kids by the end of the day, but DT was made out to be too much of a victim.

I guess because she was popular with the fandom. Let's face it, that's why Discord and Starlight Glimmer were brought back and redeemed.
I love my little dictator Starlight, but I won't act like the writers had always intended for her to come back one season later and be a 7th main character :lol: If they say so I won't believe them.

Post Merge: February 23, 2019, 10:40:59 AM


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When you look at Lauren's resumee it's all repeats of character tropes she likes. The loud girly one without braincells,  the loyal tomboy who is also rude for no reason (us soft spoken tomboys do exist :P), the soft spoken nature lover who can't stand up for herself because she is just too feminine. Make it end.

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The loud girly one had brain cells, though - she was actually very intelligent, but that was easily missed because of her goofy fun-loving personality, and that character trait happened when Lauren was running the show.

I'm not doubting that Lauren sticks to character traits she likes, because I'm sure a lot of writers at least go through a phase of doing that (I will try to have as many different character types as I can, but there are bound to be ones I like, and I can already think of one), but can you give other examples?  The only other characters of Lauren's I can think of are The Galaxy Girls - and they don't have a show yet.

The Galaxy Girls are what FiM became. She couldn't get anyone to pick up the property. They had a small run of fabric dolls in the US but that was it.
She used a few of her GG characters and put them onto the ponies. You can go to their website if it's still running and see the character blurps. Like Pluto is 1/1 Rainbow Dash. For some reason tomboy + brash/rude + loyal is a thing with her.

Then there is the new incarnation for DC Superhero Girls were Barbara Gordon was changed into Pinkie Pie (actually that started with the SBFF shorts. And Supergirl is once again Rainbow Dash/Pluto). DCSHG Batgirl has more of the smarts we could see in S1 Pinkie Pie.

I just wish for G5 to broaden these Lauren Faust basics. I know she didn't create the tropes themselves, but she sticks with them. And the rest was Hasbro's doing, like making Rarity a fashionista.
If there is one girl trope Lauren does not stick to it's the fashion obsession. And I like that.

So yeah, I also hope G5 won't have a fashionista but that won't happen because they need a reason for new outfits all the time :P
So hopefully it can be a secondary character and Rarity can have another business.
Her being business oriented was interesting. But I would also welcome geologist Rarity. AJ can be the one with the cider juice business :lol:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on February 23, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Zapper, thank you for typing out what I wanted to say but was unsure of.  :P I wish I had more to add but it makes her work feel very...whats the word...samey? Like, even her work on the DC superhero girls made me go "Ok, that's the Pinkie Pie".
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Zapper on February 23, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Zapper, thank you for typing out what I wanted to say but was unsure of.  :P I wish I had more to add but it makes her work feel very...whats the word...samey? Like, even her work on the DC superhero girls made me go "Ok, that's the Pinkie Pie".

Sometimes people think I just want to bash her but I really just don't like the Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy and RD stereotypes and want them altered for G5. That's all.
I love Lauren's art style but not so much her writing. Like the first DCSHG short was exactly like one episode of SBFF. She just likes repeats :lol:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 23, 2019, 11:59:48 AM
Why would she do that to DC Girls when most of those characters are decades old and well established?   :pout:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 23, 2019, 12:20:23 PM
Why would she do that to DC Girls when most of those characters are decades old and well established?   :pout:
Because she can.

And Faust was far from baseless from some really bad decisions in FiM's early days.  Dragon Quest (aka the episode that condoned racism) was encouraged by her.  She wanted it to be a message about the ridicule males get for liking typically feminine things.  However, because they conflated gender to race, the condemnation of the dragons comes off as racism.  The coda was essentially Spike is so lucky to be raised civilized ponies and not that race of brutes.  This is made all the worse that G1 already did this episode with Spike's Search, only the dragons were much more deplorable (burning and robbing a village in Spike's Search compared to what was little more than roughhousing in Dragon Quest), the G1 ponies actually put the dragons in their place compared to the supposedly stronger G4 ponies running from teens, and most importantly Spike's Search made sure to say the gang of bandits Spike ran into shouldn't be cast as an example of all dragons.

I don't know who decided Equestria's origins should be a boogeyman story, but basing their unification on fear of a mutual threat really hurt the feel of the show.  And both these episodes were penned by Merriwether Williams whom I consider the worst hire for this series (not that she's bad but didn't fit the series).

I think the Cozy Glow/Neighsay resolutions really broke what was left of this series' integrity.  An openly racist politician put in a much higher position than he ever should have been allowed is reformed, but a literal child is put in Hell?  What?  Seriously what?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: StarSwirl05 on February 23, 2019, 12:32:07 PM
I think the Cozy Glow/Neighsay resolutions really broke what was left of this series' integrity.  An openly racist politician put in a much higher position than he ever should have been allowed is reformed, but a literal child is put in Hell?  What?  Seriously what?
They didn't even explain how the whole link between Cozy and Tirek got started. It was just already established. Seems that's what the show's been about lately. Things are just "happening" because "reasons"
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 23, 2019, 12:50:57 PM
To Zapper: Thanks, I had forgotten about the superhero stuff she did - I actually didn't realise any of it made it past planning, I don't think.  And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if some of The Galaxy Girls' personalities ended up as her ponies, even though the ponies themselves were based on how she played with the G1 ponies they were going to be (yes, I still say that's true - I hope to get my thread concerning this done as soon as I can.)

Either way, I still hope that one day The Galaxy Girls get a show - I mean, I'm glad they didn't back then, as it lead to My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, but I'd like it to be picked up one day, and keep Lauren running it (it might be a good indication of how FiM could have gone if she'd stayed in control, at any rate.)

To Al: I never got the impression that "Dragon Quest" was saying that all dragons were like that, it seemed very obvious that it was just those dragons/that bad dragons exist - it never looked like the whole race/species to me, and it didn't need to be said that it wasn't.  Also, I still don't find Merriweather as bad as others, but she did go down in later seasons.  She was touch and go, but I liked "Dragon Quest", "Hearth Warming Eve", "The Mysterious Mare Do Well" and "Wonderbolts Academy" at the very least.  I'll get back to you on "Bats!"

To Leave a Whisper: Because when you do your own version of established characters, you are allowed to write them how you want.  It's controversial to some, but it's your version of them.  It's up to you how you want to interpret them (and yes, making them exactly the same is allowed too.)  Seriously, the comic book characters get several different versions created for them every now and then.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 23, 2019, 02:54:29 PM
So you didn't have a problem when Spike told Pee-Wee he would teach him how to be a pony?  Not a good dragon but a pony.

Wonderbolts Academy also bugged me because I think we could have done without the rest of the characters and focus on Rainbow Dash exclusively.  Instead of just kicking Lightning Dust to the curb, Rainbow's dilemma is abandoning her and taking a chance to teach her how to be a team player.  Also, why is Spitfire, the leader of a squadron specializing in formation flying only concerned with individual achievement?  They could have made a great episode where Rainbow Dash could show she is truly the Element of Loyalty and inspiration to other ponies by helping Lightning Dust.  Instead we get a rather pat episode about how you need to choose your friends over your dreams only she got both anyway.  Why does focusing on Rainbow Dash make episodes dumber.

And Bats was just ripping off Wallace and Grommet.  Oh, and that one advocated for the rights of an invasive species to destroy an environment.  As someone who watched the emerald ash borer kill every ash tree in my neighborhood, this episode made me hate Fluttershy.  She's one of those faux environmentalists who don't really care about the environment but use it as a platform for their extremist views.

And on the subject of Fluttershy, Fluttershy Leans In reminds me of a poster in my middle school depicting various destructive behaviors.  One of them, (I think it was the one in the middle in fact) was of a person swing a baseball bat labeled "My way" with two people unconscious labeled "Another Way" and "Different ideas".  Fluttershy was the one wielding the bat and the show celebrates it.  Again, and episode that could have been great as Fluttershy learns she can compromise without caving in, but instead is just another demonstration of how assertive she is (and by assertive I mean unreasonably stubborn).
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 23, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Why would she do that to DC Girls when most of those characters are decades old and well established?   :pout:
Because she can.

And Faust was far from baseless from some really bad decisions in FiM's early days.  Dragon Quest (aka the episode that condoned racism) was encouraged by her.  She wanted it to be a message about the ridicule males get for liking typically feminine things.  However, because they conflated gender to race, the condemnation of the dragons comes off as racism.  The coda was essentially Spike is so lucky to be raised civilized ponies and not that race of brutes.  This is made all the worse that G1 already did this episode with Spike's Search, only the dragons were much more deplorable (burning and robbing a village in Spike's Search compared to what was little more than roughhousing in Dragon Quest), the G1 ponies actually put the dragons in their place compared to the supposedly stronger G4 ponies running from teens, and most importantly Spike's Search made sure to say the gang of bandits Spike ran into shouldn't be cast as an example of all dragons.

I don't know who decided Equestria's origins should be a boogeyman story, but basing their unification on fear of a mutual threat really hurt the feel of the show.  And both these episodes were penned by Merriwether Williams whom I consider the worst hire for this series (not that she's bad but didn't fit the series).

I think the Cozy Glow/Neighsay resolutions really broke what was left of this series' integrity.  An openly racist politician put in a much higher position than he ever should have been allowed is reformed, but a literal child is put in Hell?  What?  Seriously what?

Ugh. Seriously? Hasbro really ought to leave stuff like that out of their shows.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Taffeta on February 23, 2019, 03:42:28 PM
I can't (and won't) comment on episodes I haven't seen as I've only seen about 2 and a bit seasons of FIM and then odd episodes that were randomly on Tiny Pop when I used to have a proper freeview connection rather than having to stream everything...

But I'll say that I did see a couple of eps with worrying themes underpinning them.
The problem is that for the most part they fly under the radar. Not because they're necessarily meant to brainwash people or that they're meant to spread bad ideas. The people creating them often have "a goal" and in meeting that goal they completely miss the other problems that goal creates.

Good example of this happened in the Jem series a couple of times.
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The one good example of the "goal message" that hugely backfires is in an ep called Roxy Rumbles. Basically it's an episode about getting kids to read. So Jem and co are on this big literacy crusade to get everyone reading. Meanwhile, Roxy, of the Misfits, can't read. The episode as a whole can maybe be forgiven as it happened around the time when awareness of dyslexia etc was still quite patchy. But the whole episode is hugely patronising. Aside from ascribing illiteracy to a social class, ie Roxy and her friends, it implies that not reading is a matter of not bothering and that it can be resolved by someone just showing up and saying, "hey, go read!". Jem and company are pushing the idea so much they lose any sense of empathy for the people they are trying to help. It's only the fact one of the Starlight girls is more empathic that any progress is made.
 The song from the ep is called Open a book and it has a line like, "open a book and open up your mind." But the episode itself is so closed minded because it's pushing literacy and not addressing the problems that lead to illiteracy.

There are other slightly questionable things in Jem which can maybe be put down to the time in which it was made (like when you have four or five grown women on a runaway train and they need a man to come tell them to pull the emergency cord that one of them has already pulled once earlier in the episode). But sometimes things - like theme and song - are so badly mismatched you wonder if they're being satirical. There's another ep in which the FBI spends the whole episode invading the Holograms' lives trying to hunt down and confiscate Synergy as a 'national security risk'. Then they end the ep with a song called Freedom which has as the key lyric, "I have freedom, I live in the USA". The episode and the song should not go together, unless they wanted kids to think that freedom is having the govt steal your computer because it can...

Sometimes these things are hair raising but they're that way because of tunnel vision on a particular idea without seeing the consequences. And the thing is that many times the audience also don't see them either. Also, there is a certain hypocrisy attached to hero characters. I've had this conversation with Jem fans a lot but Jem lies, steals, cheats, encourages her boyfriend to two time her with herself, then two times him with Riot...and tries to kill Pizzazz at least twice. For all the Misfits also do some bad things, the problem is that, to a kid, they're flagged up as the villain. Ie, "this is how not to behave." When the heroine does those things it's more of a problem. If a kid saw Jem stealing the earrings from a museum because they looked like hers (even though they ultimately weren't), then it sets a precedent that that's ok to do. And I don't think it really is. But little details like that often get lost in the bigger picture.

On character. It is mindnumbingly easy to make characters distinct from one another. Even if you're told to make one particularly sporty, or one particularly shy. If the same character templates go from one series to another it just suggests Faust is an artist but she's not a writer. That's fine, but asking her to create the characters was probably a mistake. The thing is, it's hard to know how much emphasis was put on her to make them a certain way too. Just if she has other characters that are basically carbon copies, it suggests she's more an artist than a writer. All that said, the series writers over 9 seasons are also responsible for feeding those stereotypes. I am not a fan of Faust, but she isn't responsible for everything other people wrote. Even if she did create the character bible, they still have to interpret it.

One thing I liked about G1 (and bear in mind I don't love G1's animation) is that there were nuances in characters. There were also some daft characters, like Heart Throb and Truly. But I feel like...in a sense...Pinkie Pie isn't really based on Surprise but rather a warped and damaged version of Fizzy. Fizzy worked very well in the original series, because her bubbly personality wasn't overcooked or forced on anyone. Pinkie Pie's is so extroverted that it becomes obnoxious and one-dimensional and begins to define her. Just like Firefly in RaMC was a daredevil in her flying skills. But she wasn't obnoxious with it. She was brave, she encouraged Megan, she showed all those different aspects to her character along with her love for stunts. In contrast, Dash lacks that subtlety.

I am ok with Twilight being rubbish at friendship, except for the fact they made her princess of friendship. That's the same as someone buying a PhD online and then going to work as a university professor to me! She's got the job because she knows the princesses and one of them is her tutor. That's called nepotism, kids. When you give someone the job that they're not qualified for because you know them or are related to them and therefore give them preferential treatment. The problem isn't Twilight messing up. Her messing up is actually quite natural? Her messing up as the Princess of Friendship now with a school is the problem. Again, pushing the idea, not thinking of the wider implications.

...I don't know who the Merriweather person is, but it's cool they had a writer with a pony's name. ;)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 23, 2019, 04:19:05 PM
And I think that might be what was most disappointing.  They had the resources, time, and creative freedom to explore nuances with these characters.  However, if anything that got more and more one-dimensional as time went on.  It's such a waste since Friends and Tales were so limited in their runtime they didn't have a chance.

Maybe with a new start they have a chance to go right where they went wrong.  However, I fear they don't believe they went wrong.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: RandomPony on February 23, 2019, 04:37:09 PM
Awe! Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it ends....it's sad to see it go!
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 23, 2019, 07:06:25 PM
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So you didn't have a problem when Spike told Pee-Wee he would teach him how to be a pony?  Not a good dragon but a pony.
To be fair, that part flew past me, but then - Spike does the whole "everypony" thing, so he's probably used to saying pony.  Either way it's odd, because Pee-Wee is neither of those things.

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Wonderbolts Academy also bugged me because I think we could have done without the rest of the characters and focus on Rainbow Dash exclusively.  Instead of just kicking Lightning Dust to the curb, Rainbow's dilemma is abandoning her and taking a chance to teach her how to be a team player.  Also, why is Spitfire, the leader of a squadron specializing in formation flying only concerned with individual achievement?  They could have made a great episode where Rainbow Dash could show she is truly the Element of Loyalty and inspiration to other ponies by helping Lightning Dust.  Instead we get a rather pat episode about how you need to choose your friends over your dreams only she got both anyway.  Why does focusing on Rainbow Dash make episodes dumber.
I will try to consider these points, I mostly just enjoyed the episode because it was helpful to me, and I found it interesting, but I can see how the episode idea you have would work as well.

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And Bats was just ripping off Wallace and Grommet.  Oh, and that one advocated for the rights of an invasive species to destroy an environment.  As someone who watched the emerald ash borer kill every ash tree in my neighborhood, this episode made me hate Fluttershy.  She's one of those faux environmentalists who don't really care about the environment but use it as a platform for their extremist views.
I don't really think it ripped off anything, I think they just both had similar stories based on an already unoriginal storyline - I wouldn't be surprised if the Wallace and Grommet one came from somewhere else as well (but if I'm wrong, fair enough, but it's still only one part of it.)

Yeah, the sympathy for invasive species thing can easily be controversial - even if you are sympathetic towards animals, you still have control things like this.  I disagree about Fluttershy though, if you hate her, fine, but I wouldn't view her as an extremist at all, and I can say she definitely cares about the environment, this episode probably wrote her badly.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: TJgamer on February 24, 2019, 04:21:57 AM
Parts of me will miss this show, as I do have a lot of good memories with it. But I am glad it is ending. I don't want it to go on and on until it falls into complete mediocrity. Arguably it has already begun to devolve in that direction since season 8 wasn't that impressive.

Speaking of which, even though School Raze does have a lot of plot holes, I will still defend the decision to redeem Chancellor Neighsay and imprison Cozy Glow. Keep in mind that Neighsay was a narrow-minded jerk, not really an evil villain. He didn't want to cause harm to the non-pony students, even while he believed they were behind the magical crisis. He simply intended to send them home. Though, granted, Neighsay changing his mind about the students after they rescued him was a little rushed.

As for Cozy Glow, despite being a child, she knew full well what she was doing. She clearly wanted to suck all the magic in the world dry and become the "empress of friendship". She is very capable of manipulation and deception. She truly is evil. That being said, I will agree putting her next to Tirek was a stupid idea. And, unfortunately, we still don't know enough about her to draw any more clear conclusions. We don't know about her family, or if she even has one.

Anyway, I just hope FiM ends on a high note. And I still have some hopes for the next generation.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Ponyfan on February 24, 2019, 06:52:57 AM

I am ok with Twilight being rubbish at friendship, except for the fact they made her princess of friendship. That's the same as someone buying a PhD online and then going to work as a university professor to me! She's got the job because she knows the princesses and one of them is her tutor. That's called nepotism, kids. When you give someone the job that they're not qualified for because you know them or are related to them and therefore give them preferential treatment. The problem isn't Twilight messing up. Her messing up is actually quite natural? Her messing up as the Princess of Friendship now with a school is the problem. Again, pushing the idea, not thinking of the wider implications.







This is what I was trying to say. Becoming the Princess of Friendship implies that she understands friendship better than anyone else but even after she became one there have been many times where she messed up by not giving others a fair chance like Thorax until someone else made her see that Thorax shouldn't be judged just because he's a Changeling.


Speaking of which, even though School Raze does have a lot of plot holes, I will still defend the decision to redeem Chancellor Neighsay and imprison Cozy Glow. Keep in mind that Neighsay was a narrow-minded jerk, not really an evil villain. He didn't want to cause harm to the non-pony students, even while he believed they were behind the magical crisis. He simply intended to send them home. Though, granted, Neighsay changing his mind about the students after they rescued him was a little rushed.

As for Cozy Glow, despite being a child, she knew full well what she was doing. She clearly wanted to suck all the magic in the world dry and become the "empress of friendship". She is very capable of manipulation and deception. She truly is evil. That being said, I will agree putting her next to Tirek was a stupid idea. And, unfortunately, we still don't know enough about her to draw any more clear conclusions. We don't know about her family, or if she even has one.




To me Neighsay illustrates how the show changes its mind from "every creature needs friendship and friendship solves everything" to "Only ponies derserve friendship and can understand it.


You have good point that Neighsay wasn't evil and was only trying to stop the students from draining the magic from Equestria although he did chain them and lock them in the room.

I also agree that Cozy knew what she was doing. It's obvious that Tirek taught her how to use all the magic items to drain magic which makes putting her in a cage right next to Tirek (where they can plot their revenege) not smart. How did they even come to that descion after Twilight and her friends escaped from Tartarus?

I still think Cozy might just look like a filly but either be Chrysalis or an adult pony.



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Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Lady Frostbite on February 24, 2019, 04:08:19 PM
I kept referring to Cozy as Darla Dimple; she is E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. like her.

I hope Sunset Shimmer comes back to Equestria; if not, I REALLY hope her voice actress appears in G5, if there's a cartoon!

I wonder if the last episode will be a leap ahead in time to see adult Flurry Heart or grown-up CMC or something. Or heck, I'd set the brony fandom alight by making all the mane 6 alicorns or reveal never-mentioned-before parents for Celestia and Luna  :lol: I'm still really disappointed by how the Changlings were zapped good and Queen Chrysalis was just completely bad instead of bad-for-a-good reason. At least she's still a villain, unlike almost every other antagonist.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 24, 2019, 04:10:41 PM
Who is Darla Dimple?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Sunset on February 24, 2019, 04:29:15 PM
I kept referring to Cozy as Darla Dimple; she is E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. like her.

 

I thought this too!   

Darla Dimple is the Shirley Temple-esque villain from “Cats Don’t Dance”, a very cute animated musical about a group of animals (I.e. minorities) trying to break into show biz.

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Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: SpaceButtPonies on February 24, 2019, 06:46:35 PM
I kept referring to Cozy as Darla Dimple; she is E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. like her.

 

I thought this too!   

Darla Dimple is the Shirley Temple-esque villain from “Cats Don’t Dance”, a very cute animated musical about a group of animals (I.e. minorities) trying to break into show biz.

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I'm so happy I'm not the only one!
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 24, 2019, 06:53:59 PM
She looks very familiar. But I've never even heard of that movie.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Zapper on February 25, 2019, 04:21:54 AM
(...) Fluttershy.  She's one of those faux environmentalists who don't really care about the environment

Lol! I don't think that was evertheir intention but Fluttershy sure comes off that way sometimes. I mean, it is entertaining forme to watch, especially her semi-spiritual side in that episode with Treehugger, her stoner hippie friend. But it's a show that teaches lessons to kids so her hypocrisy is often portrayed as the good thing to do. She just loves animals. Which speaks to the kid audience. But I think the writers do too little research on actual environmentalism so Fluttershy is not supposed to be an environmentalist. She is a catlady. Just look how that bunny walks all over her :lol:
In a better kids show she would be a better activist. She would be the one coming
up with solutions (and sometimes she did, but oftentimes she was just all about liking animals and having teaparties and slumberparties with them).
My least favorite Fluttershy moment was in Power Ponies where she was a useless Hulk parody, having no issues watching her friends nearly getting killed but the moment a little animal was in danger she hulked out and saved them all. That's a good joke to make about her character but a bad thing to use as a moral to kids. Fluttershy cares more about her pets than her friends. That's hilarious to me, an adult watcher, but it makes no sense for the character who is supposed to be protective and nurturing - just not when it comes to her best friends she is linked to via magic bond? Ok.

I guess us adult fans' on the MLPA biggest problem with the show comes back to the wishy washy friendship morals. Without those, would the next show appeal more to you? It would to me. Just tell a story. Of course there can be lessons but they can be integrated in a more organic way. They can come from the characters decisions and actions instead of having to get implanted via Hasbro mandate.

A good adventure story with heart that comes to an end within 3-4 seasons would be my ideal. MLP doesn't lend itself to neverending comedy shows like The Simpsons or Spongebob.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 25, 2019, 06:54:40 AM
I've certainly seen enough "faux-environmentalist" characters to know that Fluttershy certainly doesn't act like one (but if that's what people see I respect it) - for one thing, she doesn't boast about how much good she is doing for the environment, and genuinely seems to care, she just states her opinion and stands up for the animals when they need standing up for.  It's nice to see that kind of character portrayed genuinely, since it's an easy joke to make to write the character as intentionally annoying, and like they're on an ego trip.

Regarding "Bats!" I'll look deeper into this when I review it, but it sounds like Fluttershy's motives would have worked better if one of the following things happened;

1.  The plan was to actually exterminate the bats, and the idea to move them comes later, as the compromise (but they can't do this, as it would make the other ponies look bad, and they're too diluted to show death by that point.)

2.  The Mane Six were children, so they idea of infestation would be more realistically lost on Fluttershy, and she'd have to learn that you can still love animals, but also understand that infestations are bad and that you have to control the population at times (but the Mane Six aren't children, so...)

Ultimately, it ends up being all about Flutterbat anyway, so the problem really is that the episode forced itself to have a moral that it didn't really need - they could have just skipped the big debate, and gone straight to the plan, and had Flutterbat happen.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Taffeta on February 25, 2019, 06:55:22 AM
I feel like, for all she sometimes needed a slap, Bright Eyes was more convincingly environmental in MLP:T.

What you say, Zapper, goes back to what I said above about writers and tunnel vision on one idea without realising the implications of that one idea in other contexts. Leaving some concerning questions around the overall message for kids (and sometimes adults) to pick up on.

Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Zapper on February 25, 2019, 07:12:44 AM
she just states her opinion and stands up for the animals when they need standing up for. 

Yeah but that's more animal wellfare and a love of pets. In real life Fluttershy would be someone who runs a pet shelter and watches a lot NatGeo, but she would also say stuff like "shooting deer is evil" and vacation in places where she can legally disturb the local wildlife :lol:
She is just nuts for animals, she is not a real activist. Which is ok for the show because they can't show death anyways.
Ironically, Rainbow Dash had a real activist moment when she stood up for the native buffalos. But with Fluttershy, they could never really show environmentalism because that requires these darker themes. And Flutters also can't call out the ponies usage of plastic bottles or whatever, because their world is not like ours. There is no littering or destroying nature even though they have cities and factories.
So when they tried to pick up a real world issue like a plague of vermin destroying a farmer's livelihood they really handled Fluttershy badly. They had to stick with the friend to all creatures theme and the subject matter was just not well chosen.

Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 25, 2019, 08:17:33 AM
I don't really see Fluttershy as an environmentalist, or an activisit but more an animal lover. Though the two do usually go hand-in-hand. She's the one who will pick up a starving dog off the street, or nurse an injured bird back to health, rather then to stand up for deforestation or the pollution of a river. I think the only environmentalist we ever had in MLP was Bright Eyes.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 25, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
she just states her opinion and stands up for the animals when they need standing up for. 

Yeah but that's more animal wellfare and a love of pets. In real life Fluttershy would be someone who runs a pet shelter and watches a lot NatGeo, but she would also say stuff like "shooting deer is evil" and vacation in places where she can legally disturb the local wildlife :lol:
She is just nuts for animals, she is not a real activist. Which is ok for the show because they can't show death anyways.
Ironically, Rainbow Dash had a real activist moment when she stood up for the native buffalos. But with Fluttershy, they could never really show environmentalism because that requires these darker themes. And Flutters also can't call out the ponies usage of plastic bottles or whatever, because their world is not like ours. There is no littering or destroying nature even though they have cities and factories.
So when they tried to pick up a real world issue like a plague of vermin destroying a farmer's livelihood they really handled Fluttershy badly. They had to stick with the friend to all creatures theme and the subject matter was just not well chosen.
Ah, I see what you mean now.  You are right; environmentalist/activist doesn't fit with her character for those reasons.  Like you say, she is someone who cares about animals and their welfare, but it was never really an environmentalist thing.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Al-1701 on February 26, 2019, 03:24:14 PM
I think what irritated me most about Bats was the reviews that wanted to dissect the moral choice of removing the bats and casting Applejack as bad for wanting to go against nature.  Again, as someone who witnessed first hand the devastation an invasive species can do, the immoral choice is to not act.

And this show has done this so many times when it tries to get into not so simple topics.  They do an awful job of it due to the limits imposed by Hasbro or frankly the incompetence of this staff on the matters.  Luna is harming herself, that's going to solved with a hug and an encouraging word, she needs to be dragged to professional help.  Just applying yourself is no guarantee of success, especially now, and they made Zephyr Breeze so detestable I couldn't bring myself to care whether or not he succeeds.  I think wishy washy is a good description of how this show handles topics.  Unfortunately, when you are dealing with more serious matters, a wishy washy treatment of them is worse than no treatment at all.  This show has unintentionally delivered so many toxic messages to its young audience it's frightening.

And even issues of the fiction itself have crept up.  Since making Daring Do real, she hasn't had a good episode because each episode featuring her has to bend over backwards to justify all the garbage you need to swallow to make this work.  And in the end the episodes create more problems than they solve.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Zapper on February 27, 2019, 09:03:54 AM
Just applying yourself is no guarantee of success, especially now, and they made Zephyr Breeze so detestable I couldn't bring myself to care whether or not he succeeds.

I can't look into the writer's head but the entire Zephyr episode was so much more in line with stories you see for a tween/teen audience. I figured it was meant as a comment on how young men stay at home much longer than in the past, young adults in general are living longer in their parent's house because the job market is crap - except with Zephyr he always found excuses to stay unemployed and use his family.
So I guess he was meant to be a jerk and kids weren't meant to root for him. Just root for him to finally leave his poor doormat family alone :lol:

I kinda liked the parent episodes overall. But I'm always looking for an entertainment aspect first. Some episodes I like have messages I don't agree on or seem to have unrealistic setups, but I enjoy them anyways.
I never got the hype for Bats! tho. I guess it was because adult fans honstely believed Fluttershy was now a vampire and the show would go to dark places with her, lmao!
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: MJNSEIFER on February 27, 2019, 09:48:46 AM
I think what irritated me most about Bats was the reviews that wanted to dissect the moral choice of removing the bats and casting Applejack as bad for wanting to go against nature.  Again, as someone who witnessed first hand the devastation an invasive species can do, the immoral choice is to not act.

And this show has done this so many times when it tries to get into not so simple topics.  They do an awful job of it due to the limits imposed by Hasbro or frankly the incompetence of this staff on the matters.  Luna is harming herself, that's going to solved with a hug and an encouraging word, she needs to be dragged to professional help.  Just applying yourself is no guarantee of success, especially now, and they made Zephyr Breeze so detestable I couldn't bring myself to care whether or not he succeeds.  I think wishy washy is a good description of how this show handles topics.  Unfortunately, when you are dealing with more serious matters, a wishy washy treatment of them is worse than no treatment at all.  This show has unintentionally delivered so many toxic messages to its young audience it's frightening.
I feel that My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic should have stopped being a moral show by season 4.  It doesn't need to have a moral every single episode, and I think the fact that it forced itself to have a moral in every single episode was one of the things that damaged it - we end up with ponies having to learn things that they already know, or with episodes where the moral is badly explained or seems thrown in and isn't really needed with the rest of the episode.

That's why I'm not going to do moral shows when I write.  I'm going to do moral episodes, but I'm not going to force my entire shows to have a moral in each episode.

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I never got the hype for Bats! tho. I guess it was because adult fans honstely believed Fluttershy was now a vampire and the show would go to dark places with her, lmao!
Yeah, I never got this either.  If anything "Bats!" made me realise how diluted FiM had become, since it was made very obvious that Flutterbat wasn't a threat to any living being.  The early seasons (and earlier generations) would have at least allowed us to make up our own minds whether she was a danger to anyone, even if they still avoid actually showing she was.  I'm cool if fans want to have their own version of a bat pony, which actually is a danger to other ponies, though.

Season 4 onwards just seemed really overly eager to make sure we all knew that the ponies weren't in danger.  I'm not saying they just have ponies dying ever five seconds, but the previous seasons and generations at least showed death as a possibility, but at this point they seemed afraid of the ponies even getting hurt.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: brightberry on February 27, 2019, 10:04:56 AM
The Zephyr episode almost seemed like it was aimed as a cheap shot at "Bronies" or the public opinion of what Bronies are.  I'm sure it wasn't meant that way.  But it was kind of a depressing episode.

I do feel that the messages of friendship were getting to the point of insanity.  It's important to be civil and fair to others.  But personally, I think saying you're friends with people you don't trust, who try to harm you, who think of themselves first and you don't know well at all really devalues the meaning of friendship and the real friendships you already have.  Friendship is important but it needs to be based on respect and actual caring and definitely should not go only one way.

"Be nice even at your own expense or people will think you're too demanding" is really not a lesson I think should be taught to little girls especially as it's been proven detrimental to their adult versions in the workplace and other relationships. 
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM
Post by: Flitter on February 27, 2019, 01:03:59 PM
We have a trailer!
SPOILERS!
https://youtu.be/fR8ZXSYtDSw

S9 is coming in April!


Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Mewtwofan1 on February 27, 2019, 03:19:14 PM
     Oh I’m hype! Looks like is shaping up pretty well.
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there’s king sombra doing evil stuff again! I was wondering when he’d start terrorizing flurry!
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Al-1701 on February 27, 2019, 06:55:27 PM
     Oh I’m hype! Looks like is shaping up pretty well.
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there’s king sombra doing evil stuff again! I was wondering when he’d start terrorizing flurry!
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If they reform him, I'll scream

You know, I'm more hype for the new Pokemon generation than this.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Ponyfan on February 27, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
We have a trailer!
SPOILERS!
https://youtu.be/fR8ZXSYtDSw

S9 is coming in April!






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Interesting. I though we'd see Cozy in the trailer. If King Sombra is trying to kidnap Flurry Heart I could see where that might introduce Grogar and that Chrysalis. Cozy, Tirek Grogar and Sombra might be working on some elaborate plan together.




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Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Sunset on February 28, 2019, 05:48:34 AM
We have a trailer!
SPOILERS!
https://youtu.be/fR8ZXSYtDSw

S9 is coming in April!






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Interesting. I though we'd see Cozy in the trailer. If King Sombra is trying to kidnap Flurry Heart I could see where that might introduce Grogar and that Chrysalis. Cozy, Tirek Grogar and Sombra might be working on some elaborate plan together.




Ponyfan


I’d completely forgotten about those rumors of
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Grogar’s return....
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on February 28, 2019, 11:25:39 AM
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Was pretty much my reaction.
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Wonder how they're going to explain Sombra's return? To my memory he was pretty much eliminated.
I'd prefer a Chrysalis return or something. I get that they may be holding that off for the finale but with this it feels like they're dropping Season 8's loose ends.
Wasn't there a full leaked season 9 plot list a bit back that hinted to Grogar? Has that been debunked or is it still up somewhere? Am I remembering incorrectly?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: StarSwirl05 on February 28, 2019, 11:30:33 AM
Here's hoping Sombra actually does something because when he was beaten, he didn't really do anything except look menacing. Of course, the trailer doesn't really peek my interest much.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Zapper on February 28, 2019, 04:52:34 PM
Forgot this dude existed.
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But good to see McFlurry is back and I hope her powers will grow even bigger much to the chagrin of all people who hate her :lol:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 28, 2019, 08:05:31 PM
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Was pretty much my reaction.
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Wonder how they're going to explain Sombra's return? To my memory he was pretty much eliminated.
I'd prefer a Chrysalis return or something. I get that they may be holding that off for the finale but with this it feels like they're dropping Season 8's loose ends.
Wasn't there a full leaked season 9 plot list a bit back that hinted to Grogar? Has that been debunked or is it still up somewhere? Am I remembering incorrectly?

Maybe. Though the cameo in flurry of emotions may have simply been it.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Al-1701 on March 03, 2019, 04:07:02 PM
I'm conflicted over Grogar appearing or not.  On the one hand he would be the perfect villain to end the show on (Return of Tambelon felt like a series finale for the original cartoon).  However, this show has botched so many of their callbacks with Power Thirst Tirek and the radioactive booger.  I can't help but think they'd screw up Grogar.  Also, the concept art we saw suggests they learned nothing when it comes to overdesigning these classic villains.

Actually, what I'm more worried for is the 200th episode.  We don't need another memefest.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Majesty on March 03, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
Not to intentionally sound rude or offend anyone, but it's about time.  To be honest I'm surprised it lasted this long.  As others have said some episodes I liked and some I didn't, I enjoyed more episodes in the first maybe 3 and 1/2 seasons and after that it kind of went downhill for me and I pretty much just watched it for something to watch.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Zapper on March 03, 2019, 07:03:43 PM
Also, the concept art we saw suggests they learned nothing when it comes to overdesigning these classic villains.

Actually, what I'm more worried for is the 200th episode.  We don't need another memefest.

Did I miss a Grogar concept leak? I only read about/saw concepts for a
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hyena
.

At the very least, the 200th episode should do something interesting with the show's lore. The 100th wasn't just meme-y, I was barely able to understand what was going on because it was all Brony in-jokes. It was like seeing someone's fanfiction come to animated life. That's way too much 4th wall breaking for me. I sometimes miss the times fans did not have so much influence on a kids cartoon. It only breeds entitlement.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 03, 2019, 10:54:06 PM
I'm conflicted over Grogar appearing or not.  On the one hand he would be the perfect villain to end the show on (Return of Tambelon felt like a series finale for the original cartoon).  However, this show has botched so many of their callbacks with Power Thirst Tirek and the radioactive booger.  I can't help but think they'd screw up Grogar.  Also, the concept art we saw suggests they learned nothing when it comes to overdesigning these classic villains.

Actually, what I'm more worried for is the 200th episode.  We don't need another memefest.

The radioactive booger! XD
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on March 08, 2019, 09:27:54 AM
New trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DvEJl4Hh0

I feel like it really puts into perspective how little Hasbro themselves puts into the franchise comparing how the FiM staff is treating G4 ending with this huge ending to its cartoon, compared to how Hasbro treats G4 ending (and really the past few years of G4 really) with the underwhelming display we saw at this years' Toy Fair. I do hope that the laziness we've been seeing from Hasbro really is just them caring less and putting less effort in because it's the end of the generation as opposed to how they'll plan on handing G5 as well.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on March 08, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DvEJl4Hh0
That's really weird? At least we have a date now.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Sunset on March 08, 2019, 01:12:50 PM
Well, I hope this just means that if we must have the mane 6 during G5 that they will be in the “mentor “ roles and that we will at least get a new cast of characters.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: MJNSEIFER on March 08, 2019, 02:13:44 PM
Well, I hope this just means that if we must have the mane 6 during G5 that they will be in the “mentor “ roles and that we will at least get a new cast of characters.
That is close to something I've been planning for years (albeit with just one, or technically two Mane Six characters...)

EDIT: Actually... possibly forget that, I commented before I watched the video.  I just read "mentor roles" and "new characters" and it made me think of my project...
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update w/ trailer 2/27)
Post by: Mewtwofan1 on March 08, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Honestly, the new season looks okay from the trailer. I am wondering how exactly the premier is going to play out with the characters and events I am going to safely assume take place from background and setting. I’ve been preparing for the beginning of the end for some time now. I still wonder what the final send off is going to be like, and if it will be a good one like gravity falls or adventure time. A sad send off, but one that satisfies and brings a good conclusion before g5 begins.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Flitter on March 08, 2019, 07:43:14 PM
The new trailer has me feeling some feels  :cry:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Al-1701 on March 09, 2019, 05:10:20 AM
Equestria run by Twilight and company?  And I meant an apocalyptic ending as a joke.  Please let this is be a Celestia troll.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: StarSwirl05 on March 09, 2019, 05:59:36 AM
Equestria run by Twilight and company?  And I meant an apocalyptic ending as a joke.  Please let this is be a Celestia troll.
Doesn't bode well for the school either, not that it was a good idea in the first place.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Taffeta on March 09, 2019, 06:08:48 AM
Equestria run by Twilight and company?  And I meant an apocalyptic ending as a joke.  Please let this is be a Celestia troll.

I don't watch FIM as a rule and I won't watch this season either, but I did watch the trailer and something struck me. There's a difference between harmony and friendship in the real world. I think that's what's wrong with FIM. The two have to be interlinked. Harmony is about difference but mutual respect. It's not about befriending everyone and making them all agree on that core value.

I felt watching that clip that...I've been teaching students about societies like that this term. You know, when a group takes ideological control of the whole nation and then imposes their thought processes...

Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Al-1701 on March 09, 2019, 07:00:12 AM
Conflation has been a problem with this series from the beginning.  It's just gotten worse as the show tries to apply its simplistic ideology to more complex issues.  There's a massive difference between minor squabbles between friends and the issues of nationalism, race, and other thorny subjects this show has stumbled through.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ponyfan on March 09, 2019, 12:07:48 PM
New trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DvEJl4Hh0

I feel like it really puts into perspective how little Hasbro themselves puts into the franchise comparing how the FiM staff is treating G4 ending with this huge ending to its cartoon, compared to how Hasbro treats G4 ending (and really the past few years of G4 really) with the underwhelming display we saw at this years' Toy Fair. I do hope that the laziness we've been seeing from Hasbro really is just them caring less and putting less effort in because it's the end of the generation as opposed to how they'll plan on handing G5 as well.




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From this new trailer it looks like my guess about Sombra and the other villains teaming up might happen.




I'm not sure how I feel about Celestia and Luna deciding to let Twilight and her friends rule all of Equestria It was nice to see the Young Six again though and it looks like they might be able to use the Elements of Harmony along with Twilight and her friends.




Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Goanna on March 09, 2019, 06:49:35 PM
Equestria run by Twilight and company?  And I meant an apocalyptic ending as a joke.  Please let this is be a Celestia troll.

This made me laugh out loud  :lol: Ha! You're so right, it's bizarre. And I have never found Twilight to be a good leader. She's better in the background, researching magic or whatever (like Sunburst)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Roogna on March 09, 2019, 08:49:30 PM
*Hasbro: we need to bring MLP:FiM to a close. Suggestions?
*Writers: Let's have the 2 IMMORTAL princesses who are literally in charge of raising the sun and moon and loads of other stuff like running the whole kingdom ... RETIRE!
*Hasbro: Perfect! This will appeal to all the fans who are a) kids and b) young adults who can't even picture retirement yet. But, how does this work with our Mane 6?
*Writers: We have Twilight (who has her hooves full with her SCHOOL and being the princess of friendship for the entire kingdom and has ZERO governing experience) and her friends (who have their OWN freakin' adult jobs and help her out on things because = friendship) take over as the new ruler/s.
*Hasbro: nods. This is logical. We've been grooming Twilight as Celestia's apprentice since day 1 anyway.
*Celestia: So....what do we do with our endless, immortal retirement? Vacation on the Moon?
*Luna: ....
*Celestia: Too soon?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on March 09, 2019, 08:53:06 PM
*Hasbro: we need to bring MLP:FiM to a close. Suggestions?
*Writers: Let's have the 2 IMMORTAL princesses who are literally in charge of raising the sun and moon and loads of other stuff like running the whole kingdom ... RETIRE!
*Hasbro: Perfect! This will appeal to all the fans who are a) kids and b) young adults who can't even picture retirement yet. But, how does this work with our Mane 6?
*Writers: We have Twilight (who has her hooves full with her SCHOOL and being the princess of friendship for the entire kingdom and has ZERO governing experience) and her friends (who have their OWN freakin' adult jobs and help her out on things because = friendship) take over as the new ruler/s.
*Hasbro: nods. This is logical. We've been grooming Twilight as Celestia's apprentice since day 1 anyway.
*Celestia: So....what do we do with our endless, immortal retirement? Vacation on the Moon?
*Luna: ....
*Celestia: Too soon?

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

But yeah, having Twilight run the school and the entire country, as well as the other Mane 6 ponies helping her with that (and still the school???) and their other jobs? The poor girls aren't gonna have any free time!
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ragamuffin on March 09, 2019, 09:03:44 PM
*Hasbro: we need to bring MLP:FiM to a close. Suggestions?
*Writers: Let's have the 2 IMMORTAL princesses who are literally in charge of raising the sun and moon and loads of other stuff like running the whole kingdom ... RETIRE!
*Hasbro: Perfect! This will appeal to all the fans who are a) kids and b) young adults who can't even picture retirement yet. But, how does this work with our Mane 6?
*Writers: We have Twilight (who has her hooves full with her SCHOOL and being the princess of friendship for the entire kingdom and has ZERO governing experience) and her friends (who have their OWN freakin' adult jobs and help her out on things because = friendship) take over as the new ruler/s.
*Hasbro: nods. This is logical. We've been grooming Twilight as Celestia's apprentice since day 1 anyway.
*Celestia: So....what do we do with our endless, immortal retirement? Vacation on the Moon?
*Luna: ....
*Celestia: Too soon?

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

But yeah, having Twilight run the school and the entire country, as well as the other Mane 6 ponies helping her with that (and still the school???) and their other jobs? The poor girls aren't gonna have any free time!

Rainbow Dash has the most going on for her, between the weather, Wonderbolts, the School, and now being a ruler of Equestria. Wasn't she supposed to be the slacker? :biggrin: How does this affect someone like AJ who's so family-oriented? Sorry Apple Bloom, Big Mac, and Granny Smith...
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on March 09, 2019, 09:24:11 PM
Rainbow Dash has the most going on for her, between the weather, Wonderbolts, the School, and now being a ruler of Equestria. Wasn't she supposed to be the slacker? :biggrin: How does this affect someone like AJ who's so family-oriented? Sorry Apple Bloom, Big Mac, and Granny Smith...

Oh yeah, Rainbow's got a ton of responsibilities! None of the Mane 6 are gonna have time to do anything fun anymore, haha. I kinda feel bad for them! Every day is just gonna be work, work, work for all of them!
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on March 10, 2019, 06:08:06 AM
Oy vey. Guess should not expect too much from this. Was hoping for a different route but that's just my 80's/90's side working on how shows would end their run if they had been able to....
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Al-1701 on March 10, 2019, 07:22:21 AM
I'm glad I was able to sabotage this trailers cheap attempt at emotional manipulation by pointing out the actual implications of what we were shown.  You're welcome everyone.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: StarSwirl05 on March 10, 2019, 07:37:13 AM
I think I'll be renaming Twilight's School of Friendship Swiss Cheese Academy because it has some serious holes in its curriculum and will have even more this season.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 10, 2019, 08:06:34 AM
I think I'll be renaming Twilight's School of Friendship Swiss Cheese Academy because it has some serious holes in its curriculum and will have even more this season.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Lady Frostbite on March 10, 2019, 12:41:56 PM
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Gee, wonder why.

I really don't think this is a good idea. I'm with the others; what would the Princesses do in retirement? Poor Luna; she's been back from the moon for a couple of years and yeah guess what, retirement. Yeesh. Plus, take it that means Cadance doesn't rule the Empire? Did Celestia think she could lock all 6 to being co-princesses despite their own careers and dreams?

I'm hoping it's a troll, otherwise the internet will blow up with this more than they did with Alicorn drama  :pout:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Mami Tomoe on March 10, 2019, 02:32:11 PM
this could be a really funny comedy episode if this was a test by celestia
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Lady Frostbite on March 10, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
Kind of a cruel one, given that Celestia know Twilight is an anxious pony and has long doubts about her title.

I'm guessing it's a fakeout by King Sombra. Remember the nightmare dark magic vision from the Crystal Empire episodes? (The one where Twilight had a vision of Celestia being angry, cold and disappointed in her)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on March 10, 2019, 04:39:40 PM
Kind of a cruel one, given that Celestia know Twilight is an anxious pony and has long doubts about her title.

I'm guessing it's a fakeout by King Sombra. Remember the nightmare dark magic vision from the Crystal Empire episodes? (The one where Twilight had a vision of Celestia being angry, cold and disappointed in her)
I doubt this will be a magic vision sort of thing. More like the creators following the Trolestia idea... I guess
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ragamuffin on March 10, 2019, 06:05:06 PM
Kind of a cruel one, given that Celestia know Twilight is an anxious pony and has long doubts about her title.

I'm guessing it's a fakeout by King Sombra. Remember the nightmare dark magic vision from the Crystal Empire episodes? (The one where Twilight had a vision of Celestia being angry, cold and disappointed in her)
I doubt this will be a magic vision sort of thing. More like the creators following the Trolestia idea... I guess

I thought maybe Chrysalis or some other changelings might be behind it. Everyone keeps saying they want her to come back. (Haven't watched the past couple finales, not sure what the big deal is with her...)

Some sort of bad guy.

Maybe... Bad Guy disguises as the Princesses (or hypnotizes them) to tell Twilight they're retiring, Twilight becomes leader and when she's vulnerable due to stress, the Bad Guys take over, and the Mane6 rise up and defeat them. Celestia and Luna congratulate Twilight for being such a good leader and she becomes the ruler of Equestria for Real... and the rest of the Mane6 become alicorns, of course. :P
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ponyfan on March 10, 2019, 07:41:42 PM
I can't realistically see Celestia and Luna permanently retiring and leaving Twilight and her friends to rule everything. I think Shining Armor and Cadence would be better rulers than Twilight since they actually rule the Crystal the Empire and Shining Armor was Captain of the Caterlot guard and also seems to be Captain of the Crystal Empire guards.


I have a feeling the season opener will end with Twilight not really being in charge of Equestria and Celestia and Luna staying in power.


Is anyone else slightly confused by the line about "the longest period of peace" How long of gap is supposed to be between the season 8 finale and Season 9?



Ponyfan



Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on March 10, 2019, 08:30:44 PM
I thought maybe Chrysalis or some other changelings might be behind it. Everyone keeps saying they want her to come back. (Haven't watched the past couple finales, not sure what the big deal is with her...)

Some sort of bad guy.

Maybe... Bad Guy disguises as the Princesses (or hypnotizes them) to tell Twilight they're retiring, Twilight becomes leader and when she's vulnerable due to stress, the Bad Guys take over, and the Mane6 rise up and defeat them. Celestia and Luna congratulate Twilight for being such a good leader and she becomes the ruler of Equestria for Real... and the rest of the Mane6 become alicorns, of course. :P
I still would not give the creators that much credit lol. But then again I haven't watched FiM for several seasons :P

Is anyone else slightly confused by the line about "the longest period of peace" How long of gap is supposed to be between the season 8 finale and Season 9?



Ponyfan
That's a good question actually... I think sometime after the first season there was speculation on how much time actually passed in the show. We don't have much to go by I think to really find out how much time has passed... and basically where this "longest period of peace" actually starts...
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Goanna on March 10, 2019, 11:52:46 PM

Is anyone else slightly confused by the line about "the longest period of peace" How long of gap is supposed to be between the season 8 finale and Season 9?



Ponyfan
That's a good question actually... I think sometime after the first season there was speculation on how much time actually passed in the show. We don't have much to go by I think to really find out how much time has passed... and basically where this "longest period of peace" actually starts...

Lol that's so true! Has the 'longest period of peace' seriously only been like what... 1-10 years? :P
I can't remember which season it was, maybe 5 or 6, but there was an episode with them celebrating the Summer Sun Celebration and how it had been 1 year since Twilight arrived in Ponyville. So it really doesn't seem like it's been that long at all, not that I think the writers pay any attention to the timeline of the show...

I would like it to be that it's Chrysalis pretending to be Celestia but then- why would Luna be there going along with it? (Since Chrysalis no longer has any changeling followers). I also just don't think they would do that, they've never really hidden any kind of big twist like that before. E.g. before Season 3 started they pretty much started advertising that Twilight would become a princess.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Lady Frostbite on March 11, 2019, 05:54:48 AM
Chrysalis would certainly explain the change of expression on Celestia's face when she says's she's retiring; that expression change tells me this is some sort of hoax, troll or dream.

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It might be Chrysalis teaming up with someone else, if that is what it is. The comics have all sorts of villains that might do that, and I could see them bringing in a comic villain to spice things up.

All 6 becoming alicorns would be hilarious XD
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: StarSwirl05 on March 11, 2019, 06:42:46 AM
Chrysalis would certainly explain the change of expression on Celestia's face when she says's she's retiring; that expression change tells me this is some sort of hoax, troll or dream.

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It might be Chrysalis teaming up with someone else, if that is what it is. The comics have all sorts of villains that might do that, and I could see them bringing in a comic villain to spice things up.

All 6 becoming alicorns would be hilarious XD
A dream would make more sense because if it's a hoax, Celestia's not hiding it well.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Zapper on March 11, 2019, 07:09:06 AM
I'm sorry but this just made me laugh. It's probably just gonna be the season starter double episode.

Notice the lack of Cadence and Flurrykins. I need new powerful queen Flurry to take control!

PS: From a casual fan point of view, the princesses are useless leaders considering the villains always managed to subdue them and Twilight and friends had to step in and save them. So it's kinda logical they would just piss off to Heaven one day and leave everything to Twilight  :lol:
Luna always had a thankless job that she didn't do for centuries. Like, who needs a dream guardian? At least Cadence was a princess who guarded a powerful magical artifact in her city/castle. She had a real kind of job.

PPS: When they were all building that castle first thought was "and here is the new playset" :lol:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ponyfan on March 11, 2019, 07:12:54 AM
The reformed Changelings still have the power to shapeshift into other creatures but I don't see any of them leaving Thorax and joining Chrysalis since Thorax showed them that Chrysalis was basically starving them to keep them under her control.


I think Sombra has joined forces with Tirek, Cozy and Chrysalis  (and possible Grogar) and somehow they've either put Celesita and Luna under some type of spell or this Celestia and Luna aren't the real princesses.

From the first trailer it looks like Sombra is going to try to kidnapp Baby Flurry Heart so that the love for her that keeps the Crystal Heart engergized and protects the Empire will start to break down.


Did anyone else see the two ponies in the Sombra masks walking beside King Sombra?

Maybe that line about the "longest period of peace" is a clue that the Celestia we see isn't the real one?

Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Zapper on March 11, 2019, 07:19:31 AM
"Comments are disabled for this video"

Gee, wonder why.

Probably because they couldn't delete the slurs and death threats fast enough. Good on them! It's a kids cartoon, not world politics.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Lady Frostbite on March 11, 2019, 07:28:10 AM
The reformed Changelings still have the power to shapeshift into other creatures but I don't see any of them leaving Thorax and joining Chrysalis since Thorax showed them that Chrysalis was basically starving them to keep them under her control.

This is why, despite not being a fan of the series, I kinda want to write a fanfic repainting that and pointing more towards Chrysalis not letting them reach Sparklebug form because there's a downside, for example their life psan is DRASTICALLY shortened in that form (similar to some male bugs that die fairly soon after adulthood/maturity). It's possible she has a secret second brood, we saw Pharynx was in his original form and had a lot of trouble adjusting to Thorax' regime before Fwendship showed him the way. Big villains have teamed up a few times in the comics, it would make sense that Chrysalis would team up with another to destroy STarlight, if no-one else.

... Wait, was Starlight in that trailer at all?
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ponyfan on March 11, 2019, 10:04:57 AM
The reformed Changelings still have the power to shapeshift into other creatures but I don't see any of them leaving Thorax and joining Chrysalis since Thorax showed them that Chrysalis was basically starving them to keep them under her control.

This is why, despite not being a fan of the series, I kinda want to write a fanfic repainting that and pointing more towards Chrysalis not letting them reach Sparklebug form because there's a downside, for example their life psan is DRASTICALLY shortened in that form (similar to some male bugs that die fairly soon after adulthood/maturity). It's possible she has a secret second brood, we saw Pharynx was in his original form and had a lot of trouble adjusting to Thorax' regime before Fwendship showed him the way. Big villains have teamed up a few times in the comics, it would make sense that Chrysalis would team up with another to destroy STarlight, if no-one else.

... Wait, was Starlight in that trailer at all?


I think it's possible that there are some Changelings that either weren't in the hive when Thorax and Starlight defeated Chrysalis or she might have infiltrated Thorax's kingdom and recruited some younger Changelings (same age as Ocellus) and made them loyal to her. In that episode where the Young Six faced their greatest fears Ocellus was a afraid of turning in to another Chrysalis.

I don't see Starlight in the trailer either.

Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: TJgamer on March 11, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
Perhaps the longest period of peace may be referring to the longest time ponykind and all the other creatures have lived in harmony? I don't know.

I am on the boat that the princesses retiring isn't too bad of an idea, given that they're pretty much useless at this point. Though I do wonder if Luna will no longer be helping ponies in their dreams. Is that magic that can be taught to Twilight?

As for the trailer as a whole, I can appreciate the show staff wanting this final season to take a more somber tone, as opposed to the more epic, action-packed advertising we've recently had in the past. I am glad this show is ending, but I still look back at my early years with this show and smile.   :lookround:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Zapper on March 12, 2019, 04:03:34 AM
I like how we always have the same people in these threads saying they are no (longer) fans or that they don't watch FiM at all but at the same time seem to be still interested in it.
Will you guys hatewatch the final season? :lol:

I quit FiM when they announced Tirek and only came back to it 2-3 seasons later. I have now finally seen all episodes I missed and I have to say in each season there have been dumb ones and good ones. Don't understand why people say S4 was the last good one when in ended in a stupid Dragonball "check his powerlevel" fight :lol:

I have a hunch we'll be getting a few more "old" characters returning and a lot loose ends tied up in a hurry to appease as many fans as possible.
But we won't end with Queen Twilight. Come on, if they really want G5 to use the same core cast, why would they make her super powerful that rapidly just to turn her into an Earth pony one year later. That would cause backlash and not from adult whiners but the core audience of girls who remember Twilight as having powers and liking her that way. It would be like Disney suddenly saying Elsa got the mutant cure and was a regular woman from now on.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: JazzMatazz on March 12, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
I'm sad to see it over but glad the drawn out plot broken by the movie is going to be over.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: SpacePinto on March 12, 2019, 10:18:44 AM
I like how we always have the same people in these threads saying they are no (longer) fans or that they don't watch FiM at all but at the same time seem to be still interested in it.

I think some people are just afraid of being lumped together with some other fans of the show so they'll just pretend they don't really care about it while secretly still watching it.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: StarSwirl05 on March 12, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
I like how we always have the same people in these threads saying they are no (longer) fans or that they don't watch FiM at all but at the same time seem to be still interested in it.

I think some people are just afraid of being lumped together with some other fans of the show so they'll just pretend they don't really care about it while secretly still watching it.
It might also be that they're watching to see if they're wrong.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Lady Frostbite on March 12, 2019, 11:34:52 AM
Personally, it was once my job to be in top of pop culture, and I still try. Plus, being online in 2012 meant you were force-fed a lot of brony things, and I checked out the show to see what the fuss was about. I honestly don't get it; I like some characters, don't like others, and overall it's very take-it-or-leave-it. The aesthetic of some things appeals to me, especially some of the art design.

Plus, I like to be forwarned of any incoming drama, akin to the Twilicorn or Muffins controversies that arose and swamped a lot of my social media at the time.

With the series ending, I'm curious if they'll keep the IOS game going, or keep it static as it's a good moneymaker I'm assuming (plus,, there will always be fans who refuse to move to a new Gen. I refused to move to Monster High's second gen, for example!)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Zapper on March 12, 2019, 01:31:38 PM
Whatever happens, I hope we finally get to see Zecora's land or at least her family in S9. It always bothered me how Zecora was kind of the token youknowwhat. She is a whole TV trope. No life of her own, just always helping the hero with a potion or a curse, talking in rhyme to a drum beat, doing magic brews.

She is a pony, she has a cutiemark.
I want just one scene where we see St. Savannah or Zebraville or whatever punny name, just show where she came from and show that not all zebras are voodoo priests :lookround:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Taffeta on March 12, 2019, 03:39:36 PM
I like how we always have the same people in these threads saying they are no (longer) fans or that they don't watch FiM at all but at the same time seem to be still interested in it.

I think some people are just afraid of being lumped together with some other fans of the show so they'll just pretend they don't really care about it while secretly still watching it.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I watched the first half of season 1 out of curiosity on the pressure of a non pony friend when it came out. Didn't get on with it much. Watched a couple of series through because I feel like I should not complain about something without having watched it in order to form an opinion. Airing in the UK was spasmodic so saw some eps out of sequence, but I think I've watched up to about the midpoint of season 3? End of season 2? Something like that.

I did go deliberately to watch the eps about Starlight Glimmer out of sequence because I felt it disrespectful to comment on people's diverse opinions of her without knowing the context and I found the discussion about her and her actions interesting.

As for discussing it, and why I sometimes do, I study representation of theme in narrative. So I find that stuff interesting. Kind of speaks for itself really...

You don't have to like something to engage in the conversation. But I think it's better to know something you dislike than say you dislike something you've never seen, right? I am not a fan of the brony sector who have never seen or looked into G1 but say they hate it. So obviously I am going to watch FIM before I comment on it. That's just common sense.

But that's just me. Don't know about anyone else :)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: MJNSEIFER on March 12, 2019, 04:47:32 PM
Airing in the UK was spasmodic so saw some eps out of sequence.
Yeah, the UK handled it weirdly; when it was on Boomerang they kept repeating the first half or so of season one, and then showed the rest of that season, but called it season two - then Tiny Pop took it.  I love that it ended up on Tiny Pop, because I have fond memories of that channel, and it fitted in more on that to me.  However, they showed things out of order at times, and even aired some seasons for the first time out order in someway (it definitely made unicorn/alicorn Twilight Sparkle inconsistent, whatever order it was.)

I was mostly alright - I basically watched most of it on YouTube, so I tended to get it in order, and on time back then.  Aside from watching "The Show Stoppers" on YouTube before even knowing what it was, and then "Applebuck Season", "Bridle Gossip" and "Friendship is Magic Part 1" (I think in that order) on television, I was part of a group chat on a Final Fantasy forum where we live chatted all of season 1 and what we had of season 2 at the time.  After that, I just followed it on YouTube - I was hanging out at the wiki a lot back then, in addition to the aforementioned FF forum having a pony thread, so I always more or less knew when to look for the latest episode - I probably felt I had to before I saw what people were saying about it, to be honest.

It's the opposite now, I feel I have to check around to see what people are saying about the episode to build my confidence up to see it - it's weird, but it feels different.

As for talking about it, despite not watching it; well, it's still an important show to me, because season one and season two really do live up to the hype they've been given in my opinion - I realise that the earlier generations did most, if not all of the things that make those seasons awesome now, but the show really did come at the right time for me, and genuinely felt like a show I had grown up with, rather than something that came out "last year" (at the time), so I'll always have an opinion on what I feel My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is and what I feel it should be, and the fact that it is a sentimental show to me, is what causes me to have so much opinions on the later season, which I feel don't live up to what it started out as.

Season three was good as well, and while cracks were definitely forming in season four (some in three, and even two if my views on "Putting Your Hoof Down" counts) season five onwards tends to make season four not as bad in places, or at least makes me want to look at it again... I dunno.  The beginning of the end was in season four for me though.

However, I have still managed to find things I like, in I think every season (though I'm so in and out of it, I have to remind myself what episode is from what season at times.)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Zapper on March 13, 2019, 03:07:45 PM

I did go deliberately to watch the eps about Starlight Glimmer out of sequence because I felt it disrespectful to comment on people's diverse opinions of her without knowing the context and I found the discussion about her and her actions interesting.


That's funny because I did the same. Got back into FiM when I had heard of the Starlight outrage (when she came back as a reformed character) and watched her eps before catching up with anything else.
She ended up in my top 3 fave characters in FiM so I decided to catch up and continue watching the show. Also was delighted to find out her voice actress.

Then I watched Flurry Heart episodes because that used to be a big outrage, too. I started fangirling Flurry just because virtually all other adult fans hated her. My love of Starlight is real, my love of McFlurry is me being a contrarian :lol:
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on March 13, 2019, 03:33:24 PM
Adventures in baby sitting with King Sombra
(and you thought the episode with Pinkie Pie babysitting was funny)

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Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Taffeta on March 14, 2019, 01:05:07 PM

I did go deliberately to watch the eps about Starlight Glimmer out of sequence because I felt it disrespectful to comment on people's diverse opinions of her without knowing the context and I found the discussion about her and her actions interesting.


That's funny because I did the same. Got back into FiM when I had heard of the Starlight outrage (when she came back as a reformed character) and watched her eps before catching up with anything else.
She ended up in my top 3 fave characters in FiM so I decided to catch up and continue watching the show. Also was delighted to find out her voice actress.

Then I watched Flurry Heart episodes because that used to be a big outrage, too. I started fangirling Flurry just because virtually all other adult fans hated her. My love of Starlight is real, my love of McFlurry is me being a contrarian :lol:

I actually really liked Starlight Glimmer. Which appears to be an unpopular opinion but I like her more than the mane 6. But the thing is in EQG (which I do watch, when specials come out), I like Sunset Shimmer best of all the characters. So maybe it's just a theme with me about the characters I like in things. In Jem I like the Misfits better. I dunno. I find intended heroes don't click with me because they either have to be heroic and thus dull or hypocrites and thus annoying. So all the Starlight discussion really piqued my interest.

It didn't inspire me to watch more. But I did find it interesting. And her interesting. Which probably means for me those are the best FIM eps. But I won't post in the other thread about it as I have seen maybe 1/3 of eps and aside Rarity's whining/complaining speech which I still love, none of the other eps stick out for me positively. Mostly I don't remember much about them from another at all, except when there's a theme I go WOAH at. And that's not so good.

But yeah, Starlight was fine :D
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on March 14, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
So maybe it's just a theme with me about the characters I like in things.



Meanwhile, I'm posting pictures of King Sombra trying to kidnap a baby...
And lest we not forget...professor Snape pony...

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and if I remember right, that was an episode with Starlight

Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Taffeta on March 14, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
So maybe it's just a theme with me about the characters I like in things.



Meanwhile, I'm posting pictures of King Sombra trying to kidnap a baby...
And lest we not forget...professor Snape pony...

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and if I remember right, that was an episode with Starlight



Trust you to spot a Snape-pony :D
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Post by: KarentheUnicorn on March 14, 2019, 07:07:26 PM


Trust you to spot a Snape-pony :D

 it's totally Snape, they copied that character from attitude down to the outfit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ57LsOIxhk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ57LsOIxhk)

here is a link to the video scene that pony is in. Not sure if you've watched that episode or not If I remember rightly he was Starlight's teacher when she was a young pony :)
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ponyfan on March 15, 2019, 06:55:48 AM
Adventures in baby sitting with King Sombra
(and you thought the episode with Pinkie Pie babysitting was funny)

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I'm wondering how Sombra will be able to get in to the Empire. I thought the Crystal Heart keeps him out?


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on March 15, 2019, 09:43:46 AM
Adventures in baby sitting with King Sombra
(and you thought the episode with Pinkie Pie babysitting was funny)

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Hopefully the photo will show up.


I'm wondering how Sombra will be able to get in to the Empire. I thought the Crystal Heart keeps him out?


Ponyfan

They needed a baby sitter, Sombra applied.

I imagine him saying,  'I will show you foolish ponies how to change a diaper!!'
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Zapper on March 15, 2019, 11:13:13 PM
I thought Sombra was only able to say "crystals" like some kind of pokemon :P
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: 2nd trailer 3/8) SPOILERS!
Post by: Al-1701 on March 16, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
So maybe it's just a theme with me about the characters I like in things.



Meanwhile, I'm posting pictures of King Sombra trying to kidnap a baby...
And lest we not forget...professor Snape pony...

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and if I remember right, that was an episode with Starlight
Snape Pony: This is the legendary Amulet of Whachamacallit, said to be the key of untold wonders.

Starlight:  Like what?

Snape Pony: I can't tell you or they wouldn't untold anymore.
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update:ep1-5 synopses) SPOILERS!
Post by: Flitter on March 21, 2019, 10:07:47 PM
Several episode synopses have been revealed.

S9E01&02 "The Beginning of the End" Apr. 6, 2019 - Episode Discussion:
Spoiler
In the back-to-back season premiere episodes, titled "The Beginning of the End," Princess Celestia and Princess Luna decide to retire and hand off the ruling of Equestria to Twilight Sparkle and her friends, which sends Twilight into a tailspin of self-doubt. Meanwhile, an ancient villain bands together a legion of nefarious characters to conquer all of Equestria, challenging Twilight Sparkle and the rest of the Mane 6 to step in and save the day.

The Beginning of the End, Part I  When Celestia and Luna decide to retire and hand off the ruling of Equestria to Twilight and her friends, it send Twilight into a tailspin of self-doubt. The ancient villain Grogar plots to conquer all of Equestrian, but King Sombra has ideas of his own.
 
The Beginning of the End, Part II As Twilight and the rest of the Mane six struggle to come to terms with destruction of the Tree and Elements of Harmony, King Sombra sets his sights on conquering all of Equestria.

(sources: not specified, info. from EqD)

S9E03 "Uprooted" Episode Discussion:
Spoiler
The Young Six respond to a magical summons from the Tree of Harmony, only to learn it has been destroyed.

(source: https://whensiton.com/episode/uprooted/EP013304160240)


S9E04 "Twilight's Seven" (200th Episode) Episode Discussion:
Spoiler
Twilight and Shining Armor Pit their wits against each other to settle a long-standing sibling rivalry, but they soon discover they are not the only competitors.

(source: whenitson.com)

S9E05 "The Point of No Return" Episode Discussion:
Spoiler
Twilight realizes she never returned a book to the Canterlot Library and may have caused her favorite librarian to lose her job.

(source: whenitson.com)

Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: ep 1-5 synopses) SPOILERS!
Post by: StarSwirl05 on March 22, 2019, 05:59:41 AM
With a title like "The Beginning of the End", they're foreshadowing the end of the series. What's the finale called, "The End of the End?"
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: ep 1-5 synopses) SPOILERS!
Post by: Ponyfan on March 23, 2019, 11:20:27 AM
Thoughts on episodes 1,2 and 3

Spoiler
Based on the info we have and the previews, I think Grogar will unite the remaining villains and send each of them to a part of Equestria. Chrysalis will challenge Thorax to try to back the Changeling kingdom and Sombra will try to kidnap Flurry Heart so the Crystal Heart will lose its power and the Empire will be unprotected.

Episode 3.

I think even if the Tree of Harmony is destroyed that there the Elements will always be present in some form within the ponies /creatures that hold them.



Ponyfan
Title: Re: Season 9 Officially the Last Season of FiM (Update: ep 1-5 synopses) SPOILERS!
Post by: Sora on March 23, 2019, 12:45:59 PM
My thoughts on the episodes:

Spoiler
First two episodes I think will involve Twilight handing over the power of the elements to the Young Six at some point (https://youtu.be/Y8DvEJl4Hh0?t=66).

Also, Sombra (or perhaps Grogar) will hypnotize everyone but the Mane Six after the tree is destroyed. Twilight and her friends won't even need the elements to defeat Sombra after all (https://youtu.be/fR8ZXSYtDSw?t=20).

With episode 3, I won't be surprised if they try to restore it, only to learn that they already had the magic inside them so it doesn't matter.

Interested in episode 4, although I have no speculations yet. Sounds like it could be a good episode.

I don't know, episode 5 sounds a bit silly (for this far in the series at least). Who loses their job because someone doesn't hand back their book? Did no one contact Twilight about it? Did she ignore/miss the messages? If it was that important, you wouldn't be allowed to take it out of the library in the first place. And Twilight's a princess - I imagine if she asked and explain they'd gladly reinstate her job. I feel like there will be a "yeah but here's a complicated reason why that won't work" conversation in this episode... So yeah, not excited for this one.

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