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Title: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Thimble on August 30, 2019, 08:58:54 AM
Has anyone watched yet? What's your vote, is it worth the time, yes/no?

Speaking as a massive fan of the original, I need input, lol.
(Spoiler free plz.) :)
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on August 30, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Ooh, sooo looking forward to this, but will watch it when my kid is back at school as it freaks her out a little bit!
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Beldarna on August 30, 2019, 09:38:09 PM
Well, I'm loving the trailers so far, they give me goosebumps.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 31, 2019, 07:35:20 AM
So far I am really enjoying it!  I love the Jim Henson Creature Workshop, watching the puppets is much more satisfying than straight-up CGI animation.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on August 31, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
It's based on the Dark Crystal novels (the prequels) which I haven't read. So I can't tell you how close they stick to these books. However, I am greatly enjoying the series. It is much bigger than the movie. Lots of characters, intrigue and three protagonists instead of one.
There is quite a lot of CG in it but the puppets still stand out and are lovingly crafted and performed. Check it out if you love the old movie, imo.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Noasar on August 31, 2019, 11:49:54 AM
I’m watching it now. I love it! Beautifully done.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Dragonflitter on August 31, 2019, 10:57:37 PM
I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch yet, but I'm SO excited! I've set aside some time next week. Practical effects and puppetry are some of my favorite things of all time, and I'm loving that they didn't just go with some cheap-looking CGI like a lot of sequels/remakes these days. (Honestly do NOT watch the Netflix version of Watership Down because it suuucks, and not just because of the horrid animation but it didn't help...  :pout: )

It's based on the Dark Crystal novels (the prequels) which I haven't read. So I can't tell you how close they stick to these books. However, I am greatly enjoying the series.

The author of those books is my childhood friend! ^.^ We haven't spoken in many years, but I'm super glad he got to be part of something so, so cool. (Also mega-jealous because we both wanted to be writers since we were kids, and he's got published before I did. Sigh. But I'm not giving up on my dream!)
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on September 01, 2019, 05:37:08 AM
I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch yet, but I'm SO excited! I've set aside some time next week. Practical effects and puppetry are some of my favorite things of all time, and I'm loving that they didn't just go with some cheap-looking CGI like a lot of sequels/remakes these days. (Honestly do NOT watch the Netflix version of Watership Down because it suuucks, and not just because of the horrid animation but it didn't help...  :pout: )

It's based on the Dark Crystal novels (the prequels) which I haven't read. So I can't tell you how close they stick to these books. However, I am greatly enjoying the series.

The author of those books is my childhood friend! ^.^ We haven't spoken in many years, but I'm super glad he got to be part of something so, so cool.

Oh that's amazing. Never heard of him before. I guess TDC was something only niche groups knew about as a fandom.
Like not even mainstream nerds, you'd have to be into puppetry or this very particular type of fantasy movie.
TDC always sort of received new content in form of books once in a while, but a high budget Netflix show just brought it to an entirely new audience and generation. People are comparing it to Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones.
I never thought something only I knew about as a kid would come back in such a bombastic way.

I recommend watching the Making Of special as well. It's also on Netflix. There is a lot of talk about how it was so important that the creators were fans of the original movie and Henson's daughter made sure her father's style was respected.

I finished it yesterday night (I binged through it like no tomorrow because it was so engaging) and while it really moved me I do NOT want a second season.

We all know what will happen to the Gelfling -_- That's the downside to prequels.

Anyway, can we make this a discussion thread? I have so many feelings.

For instance, how did some of you respond to the violence and gore? There is quite a lot of on-screen death in this show.

I damn near cried when...
!!!
MASSIVE SPOILER for character death
!!!
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...the All-Maudra died and that stupid, spiteful crown princess sided against her and burned her corpse. That was just all-around cruel and sad to see.
I was not prepared for that happening for some reason. I was prepared for many deaths because of the movie's mythology but not this kind of backstabbing from the Gelfling side.

Also, probably a popular opinion but the Skeksis are hilarious. You want to hate them but they are so entertaining to watch and fantastically performed.
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Especially the Heretic. Omg, I love this character :lol:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Ribbs on September 01, 2019, 09:39:24 AM
7 episodes in and absolutely loving it!
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on September 01, 2019, 01:29:24 PM
Had a binge today - am at start of ep 7!

I am SO PLEASED that the voices of Aughra + Chamberlain are spot-on like in the movie  (original voice actors passed away a few years ago).

And I chuckled at the end of ep 6 when...
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a certain, naughty princess had a goth make-over!  :lol: check out the eyeshadow, deep red lips and black accessories!!

Aughra is just an awesome character, too.

Right, looking forward to more tomorrow!  :cool:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on September 01, 2019, 02:19:49 PM
And I chuckled at the end of ep 6 when...
Spoiler
a certain, naughty princess had a goth make-over!  :lol: check out the eyeshadow, deep red lips and black accessories!!

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She was so extreme in her reverence for the Skeksis she even adopted their questionable fashionsense.
Speaking of eyeshadow, Rian's blue eyeshadow and highlights are on point! Warrior trendsetter.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Gator on September 01, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
I'm trying to slow myself down and spread it out.  Finished episode four.  I'm unsure how I feel about Aughra's backstory.  She was my favorite character when I was a kid, and I always thought of her as a scientist type.  Now she is a
Spoiler
a Gaia-like goddess, a mother-earth type character?
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on September 01, 2019, 02:31:29 PM
@ Gator:
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I got strong shaman/druid vibes from her.  Someone who can communicate with the gods, not a goddess herself.
She is more an explorer than a scientist, I guess? I was a bit surprised the Skeksis built the machine for her. Either I forgot that part or it wasn't said in the movie who built it (?)
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on September 02, 2019, 03:37:14 AM
Just finished watching them all  :satisfied:

Just a wee question
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So they found the Shard that will one day fix the crystal to make it whole

HOWEVER
doesn't the Emperor have a tiny piece of crystal in his staff that he uses to capture some of the energy of the Darkening? Doesn't that little piece need to be reunited with the big crystal to help make it whole, too?

Or am I missing something? Plot hole?  :shrug:

...or will they make another feature that continues the story further?

Oh, and...
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the demise of the General - um, wasn't he in the movie and succeeded the Emperor as the new leader? Or am I getting my Skeksis mixed up?

Ah, looked at Wiki, Garthim Master is in the movie, not the General.  :pout:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on September 02, 2019, 08:36:59 AM
@ Glitterball:
I, too, had the suspicion the
Spoiler
tiny shard
was the backdoor to a possible second season
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(along with Deet just disappearing into the forest and holing herself up... and is she infected with the Darkening now?)


Also had to look up all the "canon Skeksis" because I kept mixing them up. One thing is for sure, the Chamberlain usually hates the Generals :lol:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Noasar on September 02, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
I really hope there’s a second season!

Also did anyone notice that Deet has two Dads? A really thoughtful addition for 2019 and they were a super cute family!
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Gator on September 02, 2019, 05:53:32 PM
I finished episode five.  How did Gurjin escape?  Did I miss something?  They left the castle without looking for Tavra?
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on September 03, 2019, 03:22:11 AM
Also did anyone notice that Deet has two Dad’s? A really thoughtful addition for 2019 and they were a super cute family!

Anyone not noticing mustn't have paid attention because they are shown very early on and referred to as "family", Deet talks about "my two fathers" and then by the end we see them reunited and she refers to them as fathers again.

I am personally very intrigued by the concept of "Maudra". They carefully made sure not to call them "queens" implying there is a king. All Gelfling leaders are female and there is no male counterpart required. Also, did they ever mention if the princesses had a father?

I think it's a nice change from the ever prominent "princess with daddy issues, mommy died in childbirth" trope. Especially since the UrSkeks are already all-male and Thra and the tree are coded male as well. Too many... youknowwhat on the dancefloor. It was only right they would bring in a bigger female presence.

The Gelfling are very feminine in design (which I learned was on purpose). They also seem to be a society where there is hardly any sexism - female leaders, homosexual parents, respected single mothers, both men and women can become warriors and get respected as such. Even the warrior dad is shown to have a soft, paternal side.

Makes it even more tragic this society perished according to the movie.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on September 03, 2019, 05:03:19 AM
@ Glitterball:
I, too, had the suspicion the
Spoiler
tiny shard
was the backdoor to a possible second season
Spoiler
(along with Deet just disappearing into the forest and holing herself up... and is she infected with the Darkening now?)


Also had to look up all the "canon Skeksis" because I kept mixing them up. One thing is for sure, the Chamberlain usually hates the Generals :lol:

re: Deet + other stuff:

Spoiler
is a love triangle is happening?

Rian has feelings for Deet - who shied away from his advances (too shy - or - because she saw the darkening appear in her veins earlier and did not want to expose him the effects/contagion of the Darkness to him?)

Princess Brea has feelings for Rian (did you see her drawing of them together in her journal?) or is this a prophecy that they are destined to pair-up and become ancestors to either Jen or Kira?
 
The blue-faced Dousan named Rek'yr who flew our heroes to the Circle of the Suns - he showed a bit of attention to one of the Princesses (but I have forgotten which one!) T
ETA: I think it was Brea! Ooh that makes things interesting...  :devious:

Deet and her visions from the Sanctuary Tree - I saw her with purple eyes and was she sat on the Skeksis throne? [ep 8, 45 minutes in, as she gets power from the tree] Is this a future scene where she tries to defeat the Darkening? Maybe this is the bit where she uses her powers to try to defeat the Darkening but needs access to the tiny crystal in the Skeksis staff, the crystal being the conduit between the Skeksis and Darkening?
Also - scenes of Jen healing the crystal and a mother Gelfling [Deet? Brea?] with a baby [Jen? Kira?] , fleeing the Garthim...

Next series, perhaps?  :cool:

ETA: bit about the Skeksis and tiny crystal is in Ep 7 20 minutes-in.

General> "You can control it? "

Emperor> "Not yet. On my sceptre I hold a crystal - much smaller than the Crystal of Truth but gifted with its own unique power. In time I will use this crystal to harness the might of the darkening for our greater glory.
Exposure to the Darkening is not without consequences. It destroys, corrupts my body as it does all of Thra. True power demands sacrifice. "

So - is this little crystal some other crystal or an actual part of the Crystal of Truth? From what the Emperor said, he hasn't explicitly said that it is from the COT. If it is not, then that sorts out the Shard as being the only piece missing. Hmm, where is this little crystal from?

Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Galactica on September 03, 2019, 08:04:31 AM
I'm trying to slow myself down and spread it out.  Finished episode four.  I'm unsure how I feel about Aughra's backstory.  She was my favorite character when I was a kid, and I always thought of her as a scientist type.  Now she is a
Spoiler
a Gaia-like goddess, a mother-earth type character?

Yes that threw me as well-  I seem to recall this concept as being from the graphic novels and even then thought it was quite a departure.  I think it is the only real thing (for me) that stands out as being inconsistent with the original movie.  Doesn't ruin the series for me though.

Anyway, I am enjoying the series.  Although it is competing (for me) with that steampunk-fairy series that also started on the same day (on Amazon prime).  I will be sad when they both end all too soon. Trying to only watch one episode a day...
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Noasar on September 03, 2019, 09:47:40 AM
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Anyone not noticing mustn't have paid attention because they are shown very early on and referred to as "family", Deet talks about "my two fathers" and then by the end we see them reunited and she refers to them as fathers again

I didn’t literally mean ‘did people notice’ XD of course they did! I just thought it was a really nice addition, and like you say it showed how loving and liberal their society was - even more of a shame that it disappears and it makes them even more of a contrast to the Skeksis.

I really need to watch the film again, I haven’t watched it for years so I feel as though I need to get my head around how everything ties in...
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Galactica on September 03, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
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Anyone not noticing mustn't have paid attention because they are shown very early on and referred to as "family", Deet talks about "my two fathers" and then by the end we see them reunited and she refers to them as fathers again

I didn’t literally mean ‘did people notice’ XD of course they did! I just thought it was a really nice addition, and like you say it showed how loving and liberal their society was - even more of a shame that it disappears and it makes them even more of a contrast to the Skeksis.

I really need to watch the film again, I haven’t watched it for years so I feel as though I need to get my head around how everything ties in...

Actually I didn't notice- I guess I wasn't paying enough attention, I'm glad you pointed it out because it does make me happy   :)
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Noasar on September 03, 2019, 03:35:01 PM
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Actually I didn't notice- I guess I wasn't paying enough attention, I'm glad you pointed it out because it does make me happy   :)

A good excuse to re-watch it!
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on September 04, 2019, 11:30:55 AM
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Actually I didn't notice- I guess I wasn't paying enough attention, I'm glad you pointed it out because it does make me happy   :)

A good excuse to re-watch it!

I am rewatching it rn in German because I always miss out on some stuff and there are soooo many details, especially scenery and background stuff I simply didn't see watching it for the first time.

I urge anyone to watch the Making Of. They made damn near everything by hand. I wish I could have one of those Gelfling book props, so precious.

I just saw Funko released a few Pops and Brea is missing from the line-up :pout:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 06, 2019, 12:52:44 PM
I love this show! I never seen the movie, or knew about the original story (why???). This was all new to me, but it just really drew me in. It had this really old times thouch about it that I love! Reminds me of my childhood :heart:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Gator on September 06, 2019, 03:52:44 PM
I'm on episode 8.  How come when...

Spoiler
the hunter and the archer died, the archer didn't fade away like the mystics in the movie when their counterparts died?
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on September 07, 2019, 02:08:43 AM
I'm on episode 8.  How come when...

Spoiler
the hunter and the archer died, the archer didn't fade away like the mystics in the movie when their counterparts died?

because...

all will be sensationally revealed in ep 10,

I wondered this too, I don't want to spoil it for you, just keep watching!  :cool:

also...
Spoiler
there is a scene at the very start of the series where a certain discussion is made by The Archer with someone about sacrifice... but that's all I'll say for now!
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Gator on September 07, 2019, 06:59:56 AM
Ok, I'm done now.  I tried ssooooo hard to drag it out and make it last. I lasted eight days.  So now what am I going to do for a year until next season?

I will add
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so glad the Collector died.  No disrespect to Nora Lum, but I really disliked the voice acting on this character.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on September 07, 2019, 07:18:17 AM
Ok, I'm done now.  I tried ssooooo hard to drag it out and make it last. I lasted eight days.  So now what am I going to do for a year until next season?

I will add
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so glad the Collector died.  No disrespect to Nora Lum, but I really disliked the voice acting on this character.

I agree
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at first I thought it was the voice actor for Roz the slug-lady from Monsters Inc! Yes,I found  that voice was annoying too.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Marlin on September 07, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
I have avoided reading all the hidden spoilers, since hubby and I just finished watching episode 7 last night.

I am loving it.

But it took time for me to get fully absorbed. I have outright really liked Aughra and the Skesis from the first minute (the skesis are so bloody hilarious and delightfully nefarious in equal measure!), but some aspects of the gelfings took me a while to adjust to. Mostly because of the jokey, corny (and at times, stilted) dialogue in places which honestly, just made me cringe big time. I felt like a lot of the humour (also with regards to some of the podling antics) was a bit overdone.

But having said that, by about episode three I was getting right into the (really good) character development and a lot of that initial awkwardness has fortunately settled. I have found it quite moving in places
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my gosh, that scene where they sing in that circle re the deaths of the Au Maudra and Rhian's father!!  :cry: 
and (not being familiar with the prequel source material) am finding the storyline thus far so clever and interesting.


So yeah, so far so wonderful. This is easily the most creative and imaginative show I've watched in a long time. can't wait to watch the remaining episodes
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even though I know it ultimately can't end well!!

Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Zapper on September 07, 2019, 02:51:54 PM
Ok, I'm done now.  I tried ssooooo hard to drag it out and make it last. I lasted eight days.  So now what am I going to do for a year until next season?

I will add
Spoiler
so glad the Collector died.  No disrespect to Nora Lum, but I really disliked the voice acting on this character.

I agree
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at first I thought it was the voice actor for Roz the slug-lady from Monsters Inc! Yes,I found  that voice was annoying too.

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I actually liked her voice acting. I didn't recognize her at all until I saw the credits. But I will say that I am glad, too, because the Collector was dis - gus - tinggg...
I can't look at mucus, snot and drool. It makes me feel sick. When his head exploded into a fountain of mucus I was gagging.

I am also glad the Hunter died because that character was too much for me. All that almost-dying, will he won't he, and finally he croaked. I was celebrating.

My fave is the Heretic and I am enjoying the Emperor, too. They did that thing to hjm where a character says "I will never do X" in a prequel and the audience knows he actually will do X. In case of the Emperor he said he will never turn to dust and it made me chuckle. Yes you will be dust, honey. When he took off his nose I gagged again :lol:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Galactica on September 09, 2019, 08:43:52 AM
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Did you guys see the Fizzgig puppet preorder at Gamestop?  I compared it to the original puppet and it is pretty spot on....

Pricey AF but it really does look SO GOOD! I am terribly tempted...
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on September 09, 2019, 09:18:06 AM

Did you guys see the Fizzgig puppet preorder at Gamestop?  I compared it to the original puppet and it is pretty spot on....

Pricey AF but it really does look SO GOOD! I am terribly tempted...

OMG I could actually HEAR Fizzgig bark at me from that photo!  :lol:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Galactica on September 09, 2019, 10:05:56 AM
Here is the original puppet-  it was auctioned off for sale a year or two ago somewhere-  a little worse for the wear from being in storage for 30 years no doubt...

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Oh and here is the newer puppet used in the recent series...  looks pretty close right?

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Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: glitterball on September 09, 2019, 10:16:12 AM
They are very well made!
I wonder if they will start making costumes?

I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot of DCAOR cosplay at the upcoming cons and for Halloween!
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Noasar on September 09, 2019, 11:35:48 AM
I never noticed the second row of teeth! Brilliant! (And he reminds me of one of my dogs!)
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on September 09, 2019, 05:32:13 PM
About halfway through
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 22, 2019, 12:08:58 PM
Love this series! Never seen the original movie- but the puppets remind me of childhood :heart:
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Aflame on September 23, 2019, 07:55:03 AM
a big yes its really good and the story so far is great also got an excellent voice cast ;D
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Galactica on September 23, 2019, 09:52:04 AM
It was an excellent series-   the story wasn't spellbinding- but it was good.  The puppetry was beautiful and it really looked like the Dark Crystal "world" -  very enjoyable.

The "making of" was also really interesting and worth a watch
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Koudoawaia on September 23, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
Slowly watching it with my husband. We just finished the third episode last night. Really good so far.
Title: Re: New Dark Crystal, yes or no?
Post by: Gator on November 12, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
I found an Aughra action figure today at Target!!!  They had the hunter skeksis too, but I would take any other skeksis over him.  I wasn't a fan of him.
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