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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Starflashbaby on October 12, 2021, 07:16:43 AM

Title: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Starflashbaby on October 12, 2021, 07:16:43 AM
OK I decided to start a new topic.
This is about the G5 Netflix movie and an Article that was written about it. I just want to know if this is offensive to MLP Collectors who has been collecting for years.
It was said in this Article below first or skip just skip to the paragraph below...
https://www.newsweek.com/not-just-kids-anymore-politics-animated-movies-my-little-pony-becomes-woke-1636144

Note: I don’t care what news source said what. It’s just been said and it’s a no-no for me as a MLP Collector who collects all 4 gens for years and has over 1000 ponies.
From Newsweek Quote “Fox News recently ran a story with a headline declaring My Little Pony had "gone woke," because the new film in the popular franchise makes "an apparent effort to send a message to kids about empowerment, unity and reform."

Those three words Empowerment, Unity, & Reform are NOT what MLP is OR the "Moral of the Story" of G5 New Netflix movie.
Like I said No matter what side of the fence you believe, Left wing, Right wing, Chicken wing! Its Ponies Wing now… This is just wrong! Yes the Movie is politicalized to some viewers but the Main message from the movie is not & that is the point!
I got… Love, Peace, & Unite ^.^ Magic Hugs and Cupcakes Too!!!

Don't confuse
Self Empowerment with Empowerment
Unite with Unity 
&
Change with Reform!!!

Empowerment is this = authority or power given to someone to do something. It don’t sound like MLP’s to me. This is completely different than a Self-Empowered Person.

Self-empowerment means making a conscious decision to take charge of your destiny. It involves making positive choices, taking action to advance, and being confident in your ability to make and execute decisions. Self-empowered people understand their strengths and weaknesses and are motivated to learn and achieve. (Totally for Self-empowered people)
With Unity ponies are put together.
with Unite ponies come together.
Reform is to Make changes within in order to improve…
Change is to replace (something) with something else, especially something of the same kind that is newer or better..
MLP Change from one Generation to another not to Reform.
After all this is G5 not G2 so MLP physically changed 6 times here let me count the ways…
1 time. G2
2 times. G3
3 times. G3.5
4 times. G4
5 times. G4.5
6 times. G5

Are you guys on the same page as me?

Title: Re: Question for Die Hard Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Goanna on October 12, 2021, 07:55:47 AM
I didn't find the movie politicised, it seemed to be a very simple, kid-friendly message of ''don't judge other people'' and that you can be friends with people no matter where they come from. I don't have any issues with children's media having these kind of moral lessons in them.
Title: Re: Question for Die Hard Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Starflashbaby on October 12, 2021, 08:15:30 AM
I didn't find the movie politicised, it seemed to be a very simple, kid-friendly message of ''don't judge other people'' and that you can be friends with people no matter where they come from. I don't have any issues with children's media having these kind of moral lessons in them.

I Understand... kinda.... I love the moral lessons in this movie and in children's movies too but I hated what the Article had said about MLP movie in general. its like they have nothing else they can stab at so they go to the land of MLP & try and make things bad. they as in todays politics or the ones who make things woke.


Title: Re: Question for Die Hard Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: RoseNoire on October 12, 2021, 08:47:26 AM
I mean, it's Fox News saying that.... they make political bull* about anything and everything. I don't think they are of any interest nor factual information. Just my opinion, of course. It's not worth getting upset over them, to me.
Title: Re: Question for Die Hard Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Taffeta on October 12, 2021, 08:55:08 AM
I'm slightly amused by the fact Fox bothered to report on it, as though the MLP movie was somehow an important world event in a time when so many other things are going on.

I'm pretty cynical and was half expecting a movie about American politics and it wasn't as much like that as I thought it would be, so that's a good thing. But I imagine that the Fox report is in context and they probably would have/did make the same comment about a bunch of remake shows.

TBH I'm not really sure how much it included some of those messages anyway. Because MLP has always had a cast of multicoloured ponies, I see the species divide as being more about different cultures and countries than it is about different skin tones within the same society...and global relations more than racial ones. (Frankly, from a UK POV it could be more representative of Brexit right now than of anything, given all the stupid that's still swirling around that). I still think that some of the G4 messages, like the Griffins and their treasure vs 'friendship' were more offensive, politically, than the G5 movie reflecting a bunch of different cultures and folk trying to overcome that. I don't know if that's actually 'woke' or just normal global interactions. But at least G5 is trying to present different cultures coming together as opposed to one trampling over all the others - the fundamental root of the G4 concept is ponies > everyone else and friendship > everything else. Perhaps its slightly troubling that Fox think MLP has 'gone woke', given that suggests they don't think G4 was 'woke'. It asks some questions about the moral messages in G4 that maybe G5 is trying to sort out.

But Fox are going to see what they want to see in anything. Frankly I'd rather Fox were getting their knickers in a twist over some animated pastels wanting to integrate their cultures than other news outlets were reporting on the latest hate crime related incident being linked to brony fandoms. That for me was far more upsetting, and remains so - in comparison, this kind of thing is fine.

That said, Fox has zero mainstream influence here. So I guess maybe that makes a difference. I think they lost their broadcasting licence for reporting fake news. It's a weird thing but in the UK the print press can say what they like but the tv media have to be objective and impartial. And it helps if they report actual true things. So if Fox think MLP is woke, that's up to them. I think I probably don't care.

I've also been a pony fan since I was a kid (now 39) and have watched generations come and go. G4 did something to MLP that had never happened before. We're just going to have to live with the fact that with the nature of media today and the popularity of G4, these kinds of discussions will probably continue. It doesn't detract from MLP as a concept. It's just some people's opinions - you don't have to agree with them.
Title: Re: Question for Die Hard Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Minty_Magic on October 12, 2021, 09:03:04 AM
Eh, it’s Fox News, I wouldn’t let it bother you too much. I know you said you don’t care where it came from or what side you’re on politically, but I think it’s important to note Fox is just…..like that. When they don’t have any real news to run they try and whip up outrage over children’s media. Remember when they freaked out cause Mr. Potato Head got “cancelled” by the liberal agenda? :lol:

Personally I didn’t see the movie as political at all. There are tons of other animated movies aimed at kids that are much more overt with political messages imo. I didn’t even draw the similarities between Sprout and Trump until now. Maybe that was intention, maybe it wasn’t, but to me it wasn’t a super obvious reference. The imagery in the Mob Song could apply to any dictator/authoritarian figure in history. I feel like it took more cues from the Lion King’s “Be Prepared” than anything. There are certainly parallels between todays divided world and the ponies’ current divided world, but to me the main message of movie was that despite our differences, we can still be friends. And man, if that message is intimidating  to whoever wrote that article at Fox, you know, I just don’t know what to say. I know we live in a really divided world right now, but I still believe the idea of trying to find common ground and working towards a common goal is possible. The idea of friendship isn’t radical.

I’ll end this post by saying I feel like “woke” has almost become a dog whistle of sorts……I don’t know exactly how or why, but anytime I hear that word now my skin crawls. I feel like it’s used to attack anything that challenges the status quo, or promotes inclusivity and diversity. Sure, when corporations or big brands like My Little Pony try this the messaging can come off as kind of clumsy, but I believe the intentions are mostly good, if maybe not a bit shallow. But it seems anytime something is deemed “woke” lately it gets panned for promoting some agenda that someone doesn’t like. Idk….I feel that topic is too nuanced and difficult for me to articulate, but in short, being “woke” isn’t a bad thing. If that’s how Fox wants to bill the new movie, cool. At least the creators tried to send a positive message, you know?
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Taffeta on October 12, 2021, 09:07:54 AM
@Minty Magic, I totally agree re 'woke'. If it ever had a meaning outside of being a political, that meaning has been lost. TBH it's always felt like a word that didn't need to exist...the concepts it's meant to represent have plenty of other words without that one.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Starflashbaby on October 12, 2021, 09:13:45 AM
I thought that the MLP Community would have been outraged.... cause people have said this on one of the comments of the article....

"There was absolutely nothing woke about the movie.  Wokescolds are seeing a lot of stuff that isn't even in there.  It's probably actually the least woke piece of content Hasbro has released in the past decade."

but i see all your point...
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on October 12, 2021, 02:17:35 PM
"If you not on my vibe, I don't gotta listen" - qveen herby

Yeah no.  Words like "woke" from FOX NEWS?  LOL oh please. 
Consume different media! 
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Luxrayx on October 12, 2021, 02:47:50 PM
I think something people like this tend to forget is that "x thing is political", despite how it's usually said on the internet, doesn't necessarily mean "x thing is controversial" or "x thing is bad for kids". Did you enjoy Rescue at Midnight Castle? Congratulations, you've just endorsed a political message against slavery ;)

So is the new movie political? Well, Sunny covers up xenophobic propaganda with propaganda of her own, and she interrupts a press conference by those who seek to profit from systemic oppression. Her work literally helps change the law (it's not just about friendship, being a unicorn was a crime punishable by imprisonment). That's absolutely political :lol: Though I think the only people who would have a problem with that are those who happen to see themselves in the villains.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Beth3346 on October 12, 2021, 04:56:35 PM
i haven't seen the movie but maybe this is a case of people projecting their own insecurities on a movie? a lot of the entertainment i watched as a child would be "political" today. Captain Planet (environment), GI Joe (pro-military), Bambi (anti gun/hunting, environment) i don't think any of this is new. it just gets repackaged as a new freak out ever few years. remember the teletubbies freakout back in the late 90s.

if you go looking for political messages you disagree with i guess you will find them. i mean i find the Little Mermaid troubling today but i watched it as a child. i'm fine. if i had kids i would probably let them watch it but explain that they do not need to change themselves to please others. i mean she literally gives up her voice for a guy. anyway my personal pet peeve.

if being kind to outsiders are not criminalizing people for who they are is offensively political what kind of messages do people want their children to see? i guess it's political but i'm baffled that people find it so offensive that they're going to make a fuss. but yeah it's fox news so i guess i shouldn't be surprised. i also think sometimes these freak outs are nothing more that some pundit or grifter looking to cause some fake outrage.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on October 12, 2021, 05:07:44 PM
I am the owner of the G5MLP wiki, Discord server for it, and have been submerged in discussion about the movie since we started getting news about in February. I am so tired of the dang Fox News stuff surrounding the movie.

The Fox News article sounds like the writer didn't even watch the movie. It's just a little compilation of Fox News being Fox News and a few interview quotes from the voice actors. Everyone took the title of the article and ran with it, despite it not actually having any substance.

if you go looking for political messages you disagree with i guess you will find them

Basically sums it up right here.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Taffeta on October 12, 2021, 06:10:48 PM
That sounds a lot like the reason Fox lost their broadcast licence here, by reporting news they hadn't bothered to investigate for themselves and thus got wrong.

I think that quote of Beth's does sum it up too. And yeah, everything really does reflect human society, so in that sense it should be interesting more than a model of outrage...that art imitates life and life gets further influence from art.

Maybe the historian in me is coming out a bit there. I like to analyse stuff and most of my work is around fabricated representations of mediaeval warriors so...(I'm the kind of geek who got a bit excited when Miraculous Ladybug referenced Tomoe Gozen, then wondered whether or not the reference really made sense to the audience.)

Everything has to have an angle these days. It's quite tiring.

Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 12, 2021, 08:22:37 PM
Must be a slow news day at Fox.  :rolleyes: Didn't read it because I know they like using cheap buzzwords to try and rile people .
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: DreamsofUnicorn on October 12, 2021, 08:28:07 PM
I agree with the general consensus above,
but here to throw in my input: Imalou said she based sprout off of Dio from Jojo more than anything.
 :awake: just spreading that info
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 12, 2021, 08:54:21 PM
I thought that the MLP Community would have been outraged.... cause people have said this on one of the comments of the article....

"There was absolutely nothing woke about the movie.  Wokescolds are seeing a lot of stuff that isn't even in there.  It's probably actually the least woke piece of content Hasbro has released in the past decade."

but i see all your point...

:hug:
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Aflame on October 12, 2021, 09:01:19 PM
I watched the film thought it was meh as it was basically get the elements of harmony together again (but crystals) really but I thought that it wasn't overly woke obvious  but I did wonder why if the unis pegs and earths weren't friends shouldn't the wendigos be turning every thing cold and icy ? and FOX always seem to talk
buzz-cocks on their news any way  :really:
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Starflashbaby on October 12, 2021, 10:51:09 PM
Hi Everyone...
I just happen to see it on the net. It just seems that the news has nothing else pressing to talk about and they want to stomp on mlp's...

Like what trailrustedtealeaf said
The Fox News article sounds like the writer didn't even watch the movie. It's just a little compilation of Fox News being Fox News and a few interview quotes from the voice actors. Everyone took the title of the article and ran with it, despite it not actually having any substance.

I had no Idea Fox news had a bad rep already but in other parts of the world... :what:

I thought that the MLP Community would have been outraged.... cause people have said this on one of the comments of the article....

"There was absolutely nothing woke about the movie.  Wokescolds are seeing a lot of stuff that isn't even in there.  It's probably actually the least woke piece of content Hasbro has released in the past decade."

but i see all your point...

:hug:
:hug: Back Thanks I needed that!!! :happy:

I'm not trying to get on the bad side of the mlparena I was trying to show you what was happening... I guess it came off wrong too... Sorry bout that
 :hug: to all my MLP friends!!! :redface:

By the way I Love the Movie and G5 Collection I started.  :lovey:
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Pinkie21 on October 12, 2021, 11:12:00 PM
Honestly, I find it amusing that Fox waited for this particular generation to discuss MLP's "wokeness".  The last generation...the whole series was a giant woke-brigade, to the point where it became insufferable.  This movie, I thought, was really good in how it tackled issues like friendship, unity, and activism.  It wasn't punching you in the face with "friendship!  friendship!  friendship!" like G4 was.  There was a *reason* for the need to discuss friendship and unity, not just "Oh you're an introvert who would rather read than make friends?  Here, let's take you on a 9-season-long journey to force you into being the princess of friendship.
 And forget about My Little *Pony*, let's focus on all the other ugly little creatures we have here and forget the what the whole franchise is about"  A New Generation, though it does hold what some might consider political issues, tackles it in a way that's not insufferable like FiM was.  It's just funny how Fox kinda just ignored FiM (though it definitely went after the fanbase...) when FiM was soooooo much worse and unsubtle  in terms of political messages. 
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on October 12, 2021, 11:32:46 PM
What exactly is ""woke"" about the G5 movie...? That it promotes being accepting and kind towards everyone regardless of appearance, background etc? I know it's Fox News but my celestials! That's just basic human decency!! And probably all kid shows have themes around friendship and caring for others anyway.


It's a pattern I've noticed, for clueless adults to come after things that are meant for kids or that is popular among them, and purposefully interpret the content to be adult or political in some way. We've seen it with Minecraft, we've seen it with Fortnite, with Emojis for celestials' sake, with Pokémon and fidget spinners and video games at large and it just. never. ends.


What it boils down to, imo is fear mongering from helicopter parents who want to lock their children in their bedrooms with no access to the outside world at all. They see everything that they don't understand or happens to be popular as a threat, and their kids suffer the consequences of being taught to fear the world around them. It's a sad reality of the First World.


Something for us grown ups to remember is that anything we see that we think might be made with adult themes and ideas is that much of the time, it's our imagination that reads into these things. The kids don't see a movie that's trying to make allegories to real world systemic racism, they see societies of characters that come together for the good of their world and themselves. They see a fun story about a bunch of friends going on an adventure together, through the ups and downs but staying friends in the end. That's really what MLP as a whole is about.

In short, it's just not that deep. It's a show about talking horses. Sit down and enjoy it. And learn not to take everything so seriously while you're at it.

Post Merge: October 12, 2021, 11:37:55 PM

I also forgot to add that the term "woke" is a word snatched from AAVE that was originally meant to refer to being aware of antiblack racism in every day society in this day and age, but now is a buzzword that older people tend to use to refer to anything that they think might be progressive or challenging the norm. So what I mean by that is that asking if MLP is "woke" now is like asking if the Care Bears are working to combat institutional oppression in their communities. * eye roll *
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: brightberry on October 12, 2021, 11:51:33 PM
Quote
"I think we don't see things as 'political' until they a) fall formally into the political domain (laws being passed) or b) until we see something we disagree with," Ross told Newsweek via email.
That's a quote from the Newsweek article and I have to wonder what it is about the movie Fox News disagrees with...
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Starflashbaby on October 13, 2021, 12:02:58 AM

I also forgot to add that the term "woke" is a word snatched from AAVE that was originally meant to refer to being aware of antiblack racism in every day society in this day and age, but now is a buzzword that older people tend to use to refer to anything that they think might be progressive or challenging the norm. So what I mean by that is that asking if MLP is "woke" now is like asking if the Care Bears are working to combat institutional oppression in their communities. * eye roll *

I want to let you know I was not asking mlparena if they were "woke" I dont know how that came about... I'm letting the community know what the news article said about the MLP's in general and I want to know if that makes the community mad along with me or am I wrong for being mad for it being called "woke"...

I agree though there is nothing woke about the movie and that makes me mad at the news article even more....
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Beth3346 on October 13, 2021, 12:37:58 AM

I also forgot to add that the term "woke" is a word snatched from AAVE that was originally meant to refer to being aware of antiblack racism in every day society in this day and age, but now is a buzzword that older people tend to use to refer to anything that they think might be progressive or challenging the norm. So what I mean by that is that asking if MLP is "woke" now is like asking if the Care Bears are working to combat institutional oppression in their communities. * eye roll *

I want to let you know I was not asking mlparena if they were "woke" I dont know how that came about... I'm letting the community know what the news article said about the MLP's in general and I want to know if that makes the community mad along with me or am I wrong for being mad for it being called "woke"...

I agree though there is nothing woke about the movie and that makes me mad at the news article even more....

"woke" is just a loaded term these days. i think that's the point of outlets like fox news highjacking it. to get people worked up when they see it.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Starflashbaby on October 13, 2021, 12:44:50 AM
Quote
"I think we don't see things as 'political' until they a) fall formally into the political domain (laws being passed) or b) until we see something we disagree with," Ross told Newsweek via email.
That's a quote from the Newsweek article and I have to wonder what it is about the movie Fox News disagrees with...

This is the fox news Article...
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/my-little-pony-gone-woke-netflix-progressive-creatures

I was wondering when someone would catch on that I posted Newsweek article... and not fox...


Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on October 13, 2021, 01:00:38 AM
I want to let you know I was not asking mlparena if they were "woke" I dont know how that came about...

It didn't, I think you're misunderstanding the responses a little... But it's still worth speaking about because the article used the term in the first place. Actually I didn't expect many people here would even know the word, I always thought the Arena was more separated from the Internet at large lol, maybe thats a me thing.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Zargata on October 13, 2021, 01:47:06 AM
Haven't seen the movie, nor will I anytime soon.

Just sounds like clickbait to get people to interact with the article. To drive discussion and views to their site.

Personally I would love to see more children media deal with complex issues in meaningful way, but I doubt that happened here in the new movie. Honestly is sounds like a pretty standard flick.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Taffeta on October 13, 2021, 02:12:22 AM
I'm not sure whether to be amused or concerned at the idea that being a member of the Arena somehow means being insulated from the entire rest of society. I mean, I hate social media with a vengeance, but it's not like you can avoid terms, terminologies and angles. Not if you're paying attention.

I'm not really a fan of the term woke; I don't think it's helpful in its original context or its wider one. Racism is a big issue that affects a lot of people in different ways. It can't be generalised under one word, not least because sometimes it's a lot more complicated than it appears on the surface.

G4 is really not as liberal as maybe it wanted to be in the first. Aside the class system with the princess perks, there's also the idea that ponies are superior to everyone else. I get the fact the line is MLP, emphasis on the P, but there's an unfortunate message that ponies > everyone else that runs through some of the storylines. I haven't seen the episodes with the school but I have to wonder why a pony has to educate the other species in friendship. Not least because she really doesn't understand it herself all that well - as the movie demonstrates.

I guess if you wanted to play advocate, if G4 was a liberal series, Twilight would have been elected the  princess of friendship by the whole of Equestria, rather than appointed by Celestia. You wouldn't have symbols singling out individual destinies, either...nor the need for everyone to universally adhere to the concept of friendship over everything else. Equestria's single-note message basically makes for a not healthy social structure. It's not deliberate, but it's the end result of pushing friendship at every turn - even on characters who may not want it or who are bullies/abusive. No other generation of MLP has done that in such a singleminded way...it's why it's a bit disconcerting.

On the subject of spooked parents, this also goes back a long way. Stormer's fishnets and the Misfits being generally 'violent' in the Jem cartoon is meant to have led to them taking more of a backseat to the Stingers. Who were psychological villains who promoted all kinds of other things that kids might not have understood so obviously as wrong. And of course, the most violent character was probably Rio, who even assaulted a pot plant on one occasion, but you know, he's meant to be a 'good guy'. :P

@Starflashbaby - I don't think you came across in a bad way at all. You have every right to be annoyed by the article, we're all just discussing the issues it throws up (not necessarily aiming that discussion at your comments specifically).
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Beth3346 on October 13, 2021, 02:43:07 AM
it's just annoying today how every piece of pop culture has to be for conservatives or liberals. it's annoying on both sides and i don't think it's something that resonates with most people. except idiots like me who enjoy being miserable and keep up with politics.

the article is annoying and i've always looked at MLP as an escape from the politics. i'm not annoyed at your comments though. :)

i'm just commenting on the larger issues that children's entertainment has been weaponized by bad faith political actors for decades. this isn't specific to MLP. i think it's just easy to get people riled up when children are pulled into the conversation. though i doubt the people at fox news who wrote the article really care about children. they just make a lot of money off clickbait and bad faith arguing. we have serious issues in the US but it's easier and more profitable to make up problems that don't exist than to try to solve real problems.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Starflashbaby on October 13, 2021, 03:07:41 AM
I want to let you know I was not asking mlparena if they were "woke" I dont know how that came about...

It didn't, I think you're misunderstanding the responses a little... But it's still worth speaking about because the article used the term in the first place. Actually I didn't expect many people here would even know the word, I always thought the Arena was more separated from the Internet at large lol, maybe thats a me thing.

Ohhh I get it!  :ohyeah:
it's just annoying today how every piece of pop culture has to be for conservatives or liberals. it's annoying on both sides and i don't think it's something that resonates with most people. except idiots like me who enjoy being miserable and keep up with politics.

the article is annoying and i've always looked at MLP as an escape from the politics. i'm not annoyed at your comments though. :)

i'm just commenting on the larger issues that children's entertainment has been weaponized by bad faith political actors for decades. this isn't specific to MLP. i think it's just easy to get people riled up when children are pulled into the conversation. though i doubt the people at fox news who wrote the article really care about children. they just make a lot of money off clickbait and bad faith arguing. we have serious issues in the US but it's easier and more profitable to make up problems that don't exist than to try to solve real problems.

Yess!!! Beth I totally agree!!!
@Starflashbaby - I don't think you came across in a bad way at all. You have every right to be annoyed by the article, we're all just discussing the issues it throws up (not necessarily aiming that discussion at your comments specifically).

Thank you Taffeta  :hug:

P.S I edited the wording to the poll I think it looks better now...
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on October 13, 2021, 06:48:32 PM
I'm having a hard time finding the words for what I mean. I don't know if I agree that the Internet at large coincides with society, in any one place. There's certain customs, language, social rules, etc that don't really translate well in "real life." You probably can't expect for your parents to understand if you react to their Facebook post with an image or gif. We would know the image in question conveys a particular emotion or state of mind, but to them you may as well have responded with a picture of a pickle jar. And I really hope you wouldn't respond to a post about the loss of a loved one with "Can we get an F in the chat" (Can you imagine? GOD)


Anyway, yeah, I think the article can just be boiled down to somebody who's incredibly bored and actually has nothing notable to say about anything meaningful. It's fishing for attention and trying to cause mass hysteria over nothing, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: TickledPink on October 14, 2021, 01:38:13 AM
I haven't read the article, and I don't plan to.  It's all a bunch of noise to drum up ratings and anger. Not worth my time!
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: SunPony on October 14, 2021, 03:27:33 AM
I would say...I dislike the article more as a human being than specifically as a mlp fan, if that makes sense?  If it was about something I didn't even watch, like...Paw Patrol, or PJ Masks, it would still be grating to me.  >_<

And Strawberry Swirl's last reply/post is resonating with me quite a bit, about the internet and real life cultures not matching up:
I'm having a hard time finding the words for what I mean. I don't know if I agree that the Internet at large coincides with society, in any one place. There's certain customs, language, social rules, etc that don't really translate well in "real life." You probably can't expect for your parents to understand if you react to their Facebook post with an image or gif. We would know the image in question conveys a particular emotion or state of mind, but to them you may as well have responded with a picture of a pickle jar. And I really hope you wouldn't respond to a post about the loss of a loved one with "Can we get an F in the chat" (Can you imagine? GOD)
I hope that last part was intended to be funny because I literally laughed out loud!  :lol:
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on October 14, 2021, 04:36:12 PM
I believe the newyork times may have also done an article so I don't think it was just foxnews. And the Gutfeld show did a segment where they discussed the movie; that show is on Foxnews. I'd post the link to the episode of the Gutfeld show that discusses the MLP movie but, if that article offends then I'm pretty sure the Gutfeld show would as well.

i'm not particularly offended that it's being discussed or that some people may have a different view/opinion of MLP than I do.



Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Taffeta on October 14, 2021, 07:00:55 PM
It's definitely true that the internet doesn't marry up with real life (although that's a bit different from vocabulary seeping across from one to the other IMO). But they did some studies here on social media and the internet and found that polarising views, racism, sexism, hate speech etc were much more likely to manifest online than in real life situations. I don't know if it's easier to throw hate at people online or if people who hate get together more easily across distance that way, but it's quite a disturbing truth.

I still think that G4 made it unavoidable for ponies to not be a discussion point for the media now. That in itself is the biggest annoyance...but it will probably die down.

I saw the thing Uni mentioned and I saw bits of the NYT article as a result. Frankly I think they're overblowing the undertones in the opposite direction...so yeah. I think that we're just going to have to live with pony being a political discussion topic for some time to come.

We no longer have CNN on our network, sadly, so I am unaware if they've been talking about it too...
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: lowpolyzoe on October 15, 2021, 12:33:38 AM
I saw the nonsense around this article a couple weeks ago and just sighed that some people want to get up in arms at what is essentially a basic non-confrontational message of "why don't we just get along" and unity.

I don't know if I'd even describe it as anti-racist commentary on the US specifically because the current situation regarding racism in the US is very different from what we see in the G5 movie. Outward segregation and xenophobia like what we see in the movie is very different from an integrated society where discrimination and inequities still exist due to historic and present racism built into government systems and structures.

Though when G4 was ending and the last episode has a single line implying AJ and Dash are in a romantic relationship now I seem to remember some people like this also being up in arms about "MLP goes woke!!!!" but I notice they've forgotten all about that. I can't get mad at it. It's just very silly and any people actually up in arms about this will forget about it in about two weeks.

I'm most concerned for the young children of the kinds of people who take these articles seriously the wheel of progress is turning without them and suddenly every little thing that has even the most non-confrontational message of unity is now Banned from their household for being "woke". If the parents of these children want to shelter them from things like that then what *are* they going to be allowed to watch or enjoy or play or read?
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on October 15, 2021, 12:47:10 PM
I'm most concerned for the young children of the kinds of people who take these articles seriously the wheel of progress is turning without them and suddenly every little thing that has even the most non-confrontational message of unity is now Banned from their household for being "woke". If the parents of these children want to shelter them from things like that then what *are* they going to be allowed to watch or enjoy or play or read?

Yeah, see, we can make fun of paranoid adults who see a talking horse movie and whine about it and that's all fine and dandy but in the end the kids are the ones who suffer the consequences of being sheltered from the outside world. It's something I personally find to be especially heinous, knowing that when they reach adulthood, they're not going to have a single idea of how to navigate a world that they never got to experience until then. The kids will always be the real casualties for our (adults) mess ups.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Beth3346 on October 15, 2021, 03:20:00 PM
I'm most concerned for the young children of the kinds of people who take these articles seriously the wheel of progress is turning without them and suddenly every little thing that has even the most non-confrontational message of unity is now Banned from their household for being "woke". If the parents of these children want to shelter them from things like that then what *are* they going to be allowed to watch or enjoy or play or read?

Yeah, see, we can make fun of paranoid adults who see a talking horse movie and whine about it and that's all fine and dandy but in the end the kids are the ones who suffer the consequences of being sheltered from the outside world. It's something I personally find to be especially heinous, knowing that when they reach adulthood, they're not going to have a single idea of how to navigate a world that they never got to experience until then. The kids will always be the real casualties for our (adults) mess ups.

yeah these panics about "wokeness" are a lot more dangerous than funny. it's easy to laugh because we can see that there is no reason to panic. but there is something more sinister behind articles like the Fox one when you start seeing stuff like this. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/14/texas-school-holocaust-books-race-southlake

Now it looks like this is just a school administrator misinterpreting the new law in Texas. but the fact that this was ever a discussion is very worrying to me. "What is the opposing view to the Holocaust?" feels similar to "What is the opposing view to being kind to outsiders?"
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Taffeta on October 15, 2021, 04:10:27 PM
In terms of the pony, though, it's not a lot different from some of the ways parents behaved in the past with toys, even ponies - eg over unicorns, and I remember a massive thing over Harry Potter at one point.

Kids are always subject to the whims or otherwise of those who raise them. Sometimes this is not great.

And society, unfortunately, is fond of setting up bubbles into which people can build up each other's fear levels without ever appreciating that they are not making sense. The only thing is that now, thanks to the internet, there are more places for it to happen and more widely than maybe in the past.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 15, 2021, 04:44:16 PM
I honestly don't see how whining over talking cartoon animals is going to stunt their growth as adults. I don't really consider that sheltering,  just idiots who are building mountains out of mole hills. Sheltering to the point where there adult lives are stunted involves far worse mindsets and targets real life things.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: BlackCurtains on October 15, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
But it starts with talking cartoon animals. Today, MLP is bad because it's inclusive, tomorrow, you're segregating water fountains or telling people how and where to go to the bathroom. It's all a part of the same mindset.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Beth3346 on October 15, 2021, 05:25:38 PM
But it starts with talking cartoon animals. Today, MLP is bad because it's inclusive, tomorrow, you're segregating water fountains or telling people how and where to go to the bathroom. It's all a part of the same mindset.

exactly. it starts silly and gets really sinister.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 15, 2021, 05:32:50 PM
But it starts with talking cartoon animals. Today, MLP is bad because it's inclusive, tomorrow, you're segregating water fountains or telling people how and where to go to the bathroom. It's all a part of the same mindset.

Okay, I haven't seen anyone going to segregated water fountains in my lifetime. And certainly not because people throw hissy fits over moralizing cartoons. If a kid learns to be a pearl clutching bigot from their parents, its because of their parents and their own choice to not  want to use their brain. You will also get the kids who learn not to be that way, despite their parents. People have been petty jerks long before mass pop culture media ever existed, and they'll be petty jerks long after.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: BlackCurtains on October 15, 2021, 05:38:46 PM
I don't think being a bigot is akin to being a "petty jerk" :huh:
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Beth3346 on October 15, 2021, 05:42:40 PM
it's more the fact that it's coming from Fox News that makes me feel like it's less silly than it appears. just in the context of the current political climate in the US. when you live in a state where there are people who are still angry over desegregation it feels like a slippery slope.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 15, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
I don't think being a bigot is akin to being a "petty jerk" :huh:

Only because I can't call them what I'd really like to call them without getting  banned. But yes, when it comes down to it they are definitely jerks. And if they hate people for a simple  thing that leads to bigotry, then they are most assuredly petty.

Pearl clutching people have always been nitpicking and making mountains out of molehills over everything from books,  to music, to movies for thousands of years and try to get them banned or restricted, so they're petty jerks too.
Title: Re: Question for the Collectors/ Read First before Polling!!!!
Post by: Beth3346 on October 15, 2021, 06:30:12 PM
I don't think being a bigot is akin to being a "petty jerk" :huh:

Only because I can't call them what I'd really like to call them without getting  banned. But yes, when it comes down to it they are definitely jerks. And if they hate people for a simple  thing that leads to bigotry, then they are most assuredly petty.

Pearl clutching people have always been nitpicking and making mountains out of molehills over everything from books,  to music, to movies for thousands of years and try to get them banned or restricted, so they're petty jerks too.

It's just a weird time unfortunately.
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