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Pony Talk => Off Topic => Topic started by: bright rabbit 1 on July 19, 2019, 05:16:34 AM
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Trailer has dropped if the new Cats movie
https://youtu.be/FtSd844cI7U
I don’t get why people hate this, it’s way better than Sonic Movie coming out.
What are your thoughts about this trailer?
Is it creepy than Sonic or not?
Who’s you favourite character from the musical?
Are you happy with who has been cast?
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I don’t get why people hate this, it’s way better than Sonic Movie coming out.
because it looks weird. And really it's the same thing with sonic his face was looking too human, these cat faces look 100% human. And while they would be forgivable to be more human then cat because their bodies are human-- they are not cat at all. And funny enough, people expect a cat/human hybrid of some sort because that's what they were to begin with.
If you crop in to their faces, most of them don't look like a cat. If you cropped in the old cats, you knew they were an animal. I think they could just of done a little bit to the upper lip to make that more cat like. Also where the whiskers hit the skin looks weird. Like if look at a picture of a cat, its a bit dark.
they are wearing body suits with cg on top. And that's an insanely difficult thing to get right, that it looks realistic (like how light hits) But times that by 20 cats? I don't think the CG was nailed for this honestly-- it's average at best. And that just pushes it farther into uncanny valley --when something that is realistic just looks off. I think the short hair cats look the worst because the hair doesn't stick out at all.
That said, the dancing is absolutely beautiful. And the music is just as strong.
ETA: Honestly I prefer the old costumes-- like by far. Just because this technology exists doesn't make it look good.
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Noooooooooo, the costumes from the musical were great. These are.... freaky and disturbing. Either use CGI to give us real cats pretending to sing (new Lion King style) or have actors in bodysuits but dont marry the two with CGI otherwise it's a creepy fur suit.... and I like fursuits when they are mascot-looking
. This is too uncanny valley for me
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I agree with lovesbabysquirmy, it looks super uncanny valley.
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My general impression of Cats overall is that it's meant to be uncanny. It's a story woven together from a bunch of weird poetry, and performed by people dressed as cats singing in English xD.
I agree that it would be better to have proper stage costumes than CGI, though. that's a bit weird. Though I suppose they want to animate tails and the easiest way to do that is to make the whole thing...? I dunno.
I prefer it as a stage show, though. I think I have a bigger concern that the set seems broader.
The limited range of the stage gives more power to the characters and their songs/stories. At least in my opinion.
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CGI?!?!?! Oh no no no no no no... : :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: Why can't they just leave Cats well enough alone.. what, the last time they tried to wreck it wasn't enough? aaaaa why......
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Ha ha, wooooow.
Okay, here's my opinion.
The thing about musical theater is it heavily involves suspension of disbelief. The people on stage aren't real cats. The backdrop isn't a real city street. Everything takes place within a limited space (the stage). And the audience goes into the theater understanding and accepting all those things.
But here we have a movie that has real city streets, unlimited space . . . and the cats are still athletic cat-human hybrids. It's weird, super weird. It doesn't work.
On top of that, they made it weirder with CGI.
Edit: I've been trying to decide if it would have been better or worse if their ears moved to portray their emotions, like real cats. On the one hand, it makes them seem even weirder that their ears don't move. On the other hand . . . yeah, it might have been worse. No winning with this one.
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Nothing... just NOTHING... will ever be as creepy as Sonic. :yikes:
So... I have mixed feelings. I’m not getting uncanny valley from this, but I think the faces could be a lot better. The whiskers need to stand out more, and the bodysuits leave most of the female characters with oddly masculine-looking chests, which they never had in the stage productions...
I like Jennifer Hudson as Grizzabella. Ian McKellen and Idris Elba are also nice additions to the cast. I think most of the casting is good, with a few notable exceptions...
Overall, I’d say I’m somewhat interested in seeing it. It’s not repugnant to me or anything. I wish a few things had been handled differently, but the music and choreography make up for it, in my book.
My general impression of Cats overall is that it's meant to be uncanny. It's a story woven together from a bunch of weird poetry, and performed by people dressed as cats singing in English xD.
Pretty much this. XD I don’t think I would be able to accept a version of ALW’s Cats without an extremely weird, surreal aesthetic... The actual book is one thing, but the ALW version is something I would not want to see acted out by realistic CGI cats. It would feel... wrong.
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Ha ha, wooooow.
Okay, here's my opinion.
The thing about musical theater is it heavily involves suspension of disbelief. The people on stage aren't real cats. The backdrop isn't a real city street. Everything takes place within a limited space (the stage). And the audience goes into the theater understanding and accepting all those things.
But here we have a movie that has real city streets, unlimited space . . . and the cats are still athletic cat-human hybrids. It's weird, super weird. It doesn't work.
Yes! This. This is what I was trying to say about the set. It feels wrong not on the stage.
I agree with Nemesis as well, though. Real cats performing would be even weirder.
Fundamentally I think Cats only works for me actually live on stage.
As a kid I wasn't super interested into it, but I played Memory on the clarinet and used to sing it so when it came to London a few years ago I decided to go see it. I was actually blown away by the live performance, even though I'd seen recordings of stuff. It was the atmosphere that made the show, as well as the music.
The trailer has no atmosphere. It's a bunch of people dressed as cats singing well known songs from Cats.
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Watched this at my local theatre (stage vers) had Growtiger’s Last Stand in and the siamese popped out from under the stage frightening me.
To me Macavity in the 1998 film didn’t look like a cat more of a demon, Macavity in this looks more like a cat. Wearing a hat, coat, and having a fluffy tail. I just hope they clear up the connection to him and Mr Mistoffeles being his son.
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Confession: I've never liked Cats, but I heard they were making it and was willing to give it a second chance. But I saw the trailer. It is very creepy to me. Worse than Sonic. Some people brought up that this would have worked better as an entirely animated film and I agree. Singing cats that look like Aristocrats or something sounds so much better. Or even bring in a competent furry artist and they could've come up with something cat people that isn't a nightmare.
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Confession: I've never liked Cats, but I heard they were making it and was willing to give it a second chance. But I saw the trailer. It is very creepy to me. Worse than Sonic. Some people brought up that this would have worked better as an entirely animated film and I agree. Singing cats that look like Aristocrats or something sounds so much better. Or even bring in a competent furry artist and they could've come up with something cat people that isn't a nightmare.
ALW doesn’t like animated film, he promised the author (who wrote the poems) wife that he won’t animate it like Disney wanted to do (Luckily he didn’t succeed). And ALW doesn’t go back on his word.
I don’t think it’s a nightmare.
This is just like Avatar and Greatest Showman.
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Which do you prefer
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I don't think making it with real looking cats (animated or CGI) would have worked at all. The choreography is such a big part of the show. Let's be real: Cats has a paper-thin 'plot'. It's just a string of cat poems by T.S. Elliott set to music. Like a variety show of cat-dressed performers. This isn't Les Miserables, this is "Okay gang, we're singing about the train-cat now! Woo-woo!"
It really doesn't work outside of musical theater.
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I love this :lol:
I unironically love CATS. It's a bunch of sexy dancers in tight costumes acting out a bunch of poems about felis domesticus. Nothing more and nothing less.
This movie looks just like the musical but with some CG effects instead of string tails and cloth fur. They are not supposed to look like real cats they are supposed to look like the musical performers. I dig it.
Who’s you favourite character from the musical?
Are you happy with who has been cast?
Bombalurina and I am not exactly happy about Taylor Swift but then again I never thought about who should play her. My only issue is that she should have had longer fur and be unrealistically red :P
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I don't think making it with real looking cats (animated or CGI) would have worked at all. The choreography is such a big part of the show. Let's be real: Cats has a paper-thin 'plot'. It's just a string of cat poems by T.S. Elliott set to music. Like a variety show of cat-dressed performers. This isn't Les Miserables, this is "Okay gang, we're singing about the train-cat now! Woo-woo!"
It really doesn't work outside of musical theater.
And some of the moves are hard to do, the one who played Mongojerry in the 1998 one had to have a support on him because during the practice run of the double cartwheel he twisted his back a bit.
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I love this :lol:
I unironically love CATS. It's a bunch of sexy dancers in tight costumes acting out a bunch of poems about felis domesticus. Nothing more and nothing less.
Thos movie looks just like the musical but with some CG effects instead of string tails and cloth fur. They are not supposed to look like real cats they are supposed to look like the musical performers. I dig it.
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It really doesn't work outside of musical theater.
see, this is what I'm saying, and that's why the original filmed version worked so well (granted it wasn't perfect - they cut down several sequences for time - but still). It wasn't trying to be something it's not; it didn't take something that is made for one specific genre/venue/whatever phrase you want to use, and then try and awkwardly shoehorn it into a different one. :/
I would have liked to see another filmed performance, but I guess everything has to be covered in CGI these days...? -shakes head-
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It really doesn't work outside of musical theater.
see, this is what I'm saying, and that's why the original filmed version worked so well (granted it wasn't perfect - they cut down several sequences for time - but still). It wasn't trying to be something it's not; it didn't take something that is made for one specific genre/venue/whatever phrase you want to use, and then try and awkwardly shoehorn it into a different one. :/
I would have liked to see another filmed performance, but I guess everything has to be covered in CGI these days...? -shakes head-
Have you seen anything like goofs or things that shouldn’t be there in the film version.
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Sorry but no. Idris Elbacat is not sexy to me at all.
None of them are. They all look like little cat demons XD
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Sorry but no. Idris Elbacat is not sexy to me at all.
None of them are. They all look like little cat demons XD
Rum Tum Tugger is creepy and not sexy (my mum had a crush on him in the 1998 version)
Thing that put me off is that giant bra that one of the cats used.
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I know nothing about the original but from the trailer I don't like how it looks
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I’ve never seen Cats. I will one day when it’s on stage. But, I’m not bothered any more by the CGI than I am by the cat suits. Either way, I think the costumes always seemed a little creepy to me. Adults pretending to be sexy cats? That’s not how I see cats and that’s probably why I haven’t seen it. But I do love the music so I plan to one day.
CGI Sonic is way creepier. Just... no comparison.
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I’m a fan of the musical but I don’t like how they cgi’d this. I also wish the had stuck with the costumes. They could have just used cgi for the tails. But the faces in particular are both too human but not human enough at the same time. I also agree about the short hair. I feel like longer hair would have softened the edges and make them look a little more cat like rather than a bunch of people who have grown a pelt and are now running around naked.
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Either way, I think the costumes always seemed a little creepy to me. Adults pretending to be sexy cats? That’s not how I see cats and that’s probably why I haven’t seen it.
Never see Starlight Express. Adults pretending to be sexy trains wearing corsets, garters and codpieces. Andrew Lloyd Webber is like that :cool:
I wish they made a Starlight Express movie, it would be insane
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Wow, I'm the odd man out.
As soon as the trailer dropped I was showing it to my family and making plans to see it with my niece who is a cat nut(the animals, not the play).
I have never liked most of the costumes in the play. I felt like, well, like they didn't resemble real cat coat and color patterns. In this trailer, I can tell Oh, that's an orange tabby. Or heck, actually tell that is a tabby pattern at all compared to the mixed up splashes of color on the theater costumes.
But that's just my opinion. Don't throw fakies at me.
I will add, Taylor Swift... Me-wow!
And Rebel Wilson... Awesome! She does look a little weird here, but in real life I find her very attractive and have a crush on her.
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I will add, Taylor Swift... Me-wow!
And Rebel Wilson... Awesome! She does look a little weird here, but in real life I find her very attractive and have a crush on her.
I support you :lol:
I hope they won't make Rebel the laughing stock. It looks that way from the trailer and I don't understand what character she is playing.
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I have seen stills from the trailer and that is enough for me, it does not look good design wise and I don't think they have the technology to render it in a pleasing way. I can't bring myself to watch the trailer it looks too creepy and pointless. Like there is already recordings on the stage show?
Edit: ok I just watched it so I can make an informed opinion. And yes it is ugly and I don't like it. Why didn't they wear costumes in a cg environment? The cg is bad (not badly done, just design wise bad), and I agree the fur is too short.
The cast looks good for the most part, and there will be good renditions but oh the look of it is off putting
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Honestly, the one thing I am a little curious about with regards to this film is what they'll do with "Growltiger's Last Stand". The original film cut it and even the current version of the show has replaced it with "The Awefull Battle of the Pekes and the Pollicles" (not a *perfect* replacement, but better than the revised version of "Growltiger" that they had in the Palladium run a few years back -_-). Between the Palladium run revising it and the Broadway/International run replacing it, I get the feeling they're realizing that sequence is one of the weaker points of the show... so I wonder how they'll handle it here.
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Noooooooooo, the costumes from the musical were great. These are.... freaky and disturbing. Either use CGI to give us real cats pretending to sing (new Lion King style) or have actors in bodysuits but dont marry the two with CGI otherwise it's a creepy fur suit.... and I like fursuits when they are mascot-looking
. This is too uncanny valley for me
Totally this. The whole trailer I was nope nope nope.
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I will add, Taylor Swift... Me-wow!
And Rebel Wilson... Awesome! She does look a little weird here, but in real life I find her very attractive and have a crush on her.
I support you :lol:
I hope they won't make Rebel the laughing stock. It looks that way from the trailer and I don't understand what character she is playing.
Rebel is playing Jennyanydots
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I actually like the trailer and the way the cats are shown. Mind you, I have a slight fever right now so who know what I will think when that's gone.. But to be fair, just throw in Memory anywhere and I'm sold.
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Well alright.
I've never seen the musical or the movie but I think this looks pretty neat :P I don't think they're creepy at all.
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It’s interesting to me how divided the opinions are on this... Maybe it has to do with how much of a threshold different people have for uncanny valley?
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It’s interesting to me how divided the opinions are on this... Maybe it has to do with how much of a threshold different people have for uncanny valley?
I feel like I have a higher threshold.. which is why I'm disappointed in the faces.
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This thing popped up yesterday as one of the trailers before the Lion King... Well, guy behind me whispered "nightmare" and that's pretty much what I was thinking. I did not like it at all...
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This thing popped up yesterday as one of the trailers before the Lion King... Well, guy behind me whispered "nightmare" and that's pretty much what I was thinking. I did not like it at all...
That's so funny because I thought some stuff in LK was way more uncanny/nightmarish looking. It's because LK tried to be as photorealistic as possible so when an animal wobbled weirdly or had a too calculated movement it immediatly took me out.
With this I expect weird whimsical images, not realism. So it bothers me less. It's all about expectations for me somehow.
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This thing popped up yesterday as one of the trailers before the Lion King... Well, guy behind me whispered "nightmare" and that's pretty much what I was thinking. I did not like it at all...
That's so funny because I thought some stuff in LK was way more uncanny/nightmarish looking. It's because LK tried to be as photorealistic as possible so when an animal wobbled weirdly or had a too calculated movement it immediatly took me out.
With this I expect weird whimsical images, not realism. So it bothers me less. It's all about expectations for me somehow.
Because they were actual animals, it was fine for me. TLK did do a good job at recreating them, and nothing came across as nightmare fuel, even on the big screen.
But these things? Human/animal combos don't work for me, unless they're in theatres or 2D animation, where I can suspend my belief enough. Then again, I'd be no less creeped out if they were 3D kid-friendly animation and appeared in a Minions movie, honestly :yikes:
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They don't bother me because it looks like costumes and less CGI-ish. I like realistic fursuits and body paint and stuff like that.
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I find it interesting how many people misunderstand the point behind CATS. It's not about cats, it's about types of people. You've got the harmless scoundrels (Mungojerrie and Rumpleteaser), the old ones living in the past (Gus), the very involved neighbor (Jenny Anydots), the outsider (Grizabella), the "cop" (Munkustrap), the player (Rum Tum Tugger), and the true criminal (Macavity), among others. Yes, the plot is thin, playing on the idea that cats have more than one life, but when you look at the deeper meaning, it's better than just looking at a bunch of dancing kitties.
That said, I don't know how I feel about Judi Dench playing Old Deuteronomy. When I first saw her in the trailer I thought she'd be Grizabella, which I was excited for. Now I'm not sure what else they've changed. I didn't like the new Into the Woods as much as the stage version, but I'm willing to give this one a chance before I decide.
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I loved the trailer! and have seen the play interested most because of the ace cast though , and I think the costumes are brilliant ! it looks really good so not going to knock it before I've seen it oh and I loved cat woman to cos you know cats :)
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Ok I’ve watched the trailer a few times now. I think I’m getting used to it. Maybe I will see the movie.