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Title: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on November 04, 2019, 03:21:08 PM
I'm trying to stay on top of these for the Wiki but not sure if I should open up a new page for the 2020 line or just tack them on to G4. Insight? Ideas?
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2019, 03:29:00 PM
Just plain ol G4. If SHS,  Teeny-tinies and Dream Beauties count as 1. whatever, then this is just g4 impo.
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on November 04, 2019, 03:30:26 PM
I went with "G4.5, the 'reboot' is just 'reboot'". Here I had gotten used to calling the reboot G4s "G4.5", but these upcoming ponies are much more similar to G3's G3.5 than the 2016 reboot molds were, so it makes more sense to call these new ones G4.5s. Even if it'll be a pain to start trying to apply this term to these new ponies now after a few years of calling the other ponies G4.5. :lol:

Just plain ol G4. If SHS,  Teeny-tinies and Dream Beauties don't count as 1. whatever, then this is just g4 impo.

If these were just a side line that'd be one thing, but I suspect these will be entirely replacing the current style molds for next year until G5 starts up.
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Wind~Whistler on November 04, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
I feel like we should’ve just called what we used to call G4.5 the “Movie” line, and these should be G4.5.
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Shadowperla on November 04, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
*laugh* ugly demons is my fav.
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on November 04, 2019, 04:10:52 PM
*laugh* ugly demons is my fav.
:P I knew it would be important to include.
I'm willing to rename/merge the pose pages that i had set up, it makes a lot more sense to call these G4.5 proper as the other figures were definitely cut from a similar cloth.
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: SunbeamV on November 04, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
I was actually thinking about this the other day. Perhaps we could do generation 4, and mould series? ie: g4m1, g4m2, g4m3.

Or, stick with plain g4, but then reboots 1 and 2? ie: g4r1, g4r2. Just an idea!
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on November 04, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
I feel like we should’ve just called what we used to call G4.5 the “Movie” line, and these should be G4.5.

Eh, I disagree on that. These molds began in 2016, before the movie and its merchandise came out (in 2017), and stuck around after the movie as well. I don't think they did the 2016 molds because of the movie.

I was actually thinking about this the other day. Perhaps we could do generation 4, and mould series? ie: g4m1, g4m2, g4m3.

Or, stick with plain g4, but then reboots 1 and 2? ie: g4r1, g4r2. Just an idea!

Something like this could work! It's not consistent with the G3 terms, yeah. But it would make since for G4 since now it has three different styles of molds.
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 04, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
*laugh* ugly demons is my fav.

This is good too
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Spectrum on November 04, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Potion G4s? They’re marketed as potion ponies. No clue if that will be a consistent gimmick though. I never thought of what we call G4.5s to be different enough to warrant the .5 label, but using that label for these instead would be confusing.

G4.75 is probably what will end up sticking though, even though I think we’re getting a bit excessive with the decimals. :P
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: maycrestmom on November 05, 2019, 12:04:00 AM
agree that now in hindsight the SHS line and bridal pose are still first generation MLP.  If you do a label designation like potion or movie that would make sense for the box art they come in and yeah "ugly demon" is getting my attention because I am like : these  things are not ponies (shudders)...

anyhow, best of luck in deciding
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Zapper on November 05, 2019, 02:39:55 AM
I am leaning towards G4, just like the reboot models are not really G4.5 to me. The .5 to me represents a transitional design stage. So if the new molds turn out to be just that I'll probably call them G4.5
If not I'll call them G4 and whatever they are based on (series, movie, musical... dunno what Hasbroken has still planned for them in 2020).
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 05, 2019, 07:21:17 AM
I am leaning towards G4, just like the reboot models are not really G4.5 to me. The .5 to me represents a transitional design stage. So if the new molds turn out to be just that I'll probably call them G4.5
If not I'll call them G4 and whatever they are based on (series, movie, musical... dunno what Hasbroken has still planned for them in 2020).

What if they really are transitional? What if...Hasbro is returning to the grand return of Little Litters Kitties because cat vids have been all the rage on youtube? What if...masterminding cats have taken over Hasbro?!
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Carrehz on November 06, 2019, 07:23:37 AM
Ugly Demons gets my vote :P

I've never been fan of the "but SHS/Dream Beauties/etc are still G1!!!" argument because it doesn't make sense. Those were only ever side-lines, they didn't replace the original G1 molds. It's like saying "G3 Ponyville should be called G3.5!". IMO it's only a new generation (or half-generation) if it completely replaces the current molds/design/etc.

It's difficult to know what to call these until we've seen more, really. I mean, the moniker "G3.5" wasn't really settled upon until G4 happened. I remember plenty of people calling G3.5 "G4" and other names prior to that.. I think it's too soon to nickname these, anyway. They've only just appeared online.

I think I'm in favour of calling these G4.75 or something like that. Or maybe we could go for something like G4, G4.2 (Movie/reboot/whatever), G4.3 (these)? Or is that too confusing.
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on November 06, 2019, 07:47:55 AM
It's difficult to know what to call these until we've seen more, really. I mean, the moniker "G3.5" wasn't really settled upon until G4 happened. I remember plenty of people calling G3.5 "G4" and other names prior to that.. I think it's too soon to nickname these, anyway. They've only just appeared online.
Ahh that's good to note. I was just a wee young babby then so I never knew if you all figured out the term at the moment or far in the future...
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: SaraMari on November 06, 2019, 07:57:14 AM
I think these and the 2016 retooling should all be G4 it's just not a big enough design change to warrant a half generation; size and proportions are the same etc. However I see these new demons as closer to G4.5 than the 2016 designs.

The difference from G3 to G3.5 is huge, and the reasoning between calling it G3.5  not G4 was because it was the same characters right? Well that's not going to ever change now, Hasbro finally has an optimist prime and a bumblebee of MLP so I doubt we'll ever see anything besides the M6 in different art styles again.

It might be hard to make stick but a numbering system for each retooling sounds the best for organizing as mentioned above
Title: Re: G4 Pony Classification?
Post by: Sunset on November 06, 2019, 04:46:29 PM

I think I'm in favour of calling these G4.75 or something like that. Or maybe we could go for something like G4, G4.2 (Movie/reboot/whatever), G4.3 (these)? Or is that too confusing.


The difference from G3 to G3.5 is huge, and the reasoning between calling it G3.5  not G4 was because it was the same characters right? Well that's not going to ever change now, Hasbro finally has an optimist prime and a bumblebee of MLP so I doubt we'll ever see anything besides the M6 in different art styles again.

I remember advocating the G4.1, G4.2, etc. system back when we were discussing what to call the last reboot for these exact reasons.   It doesn’t look likely that we will ever have clearly defined generational separation again  in the same we we had for G1-G3.   If we skip immediately to the half generation for the first reboot then it gets really complicated naming any future reboots that we don’t want to label G5.  Which is exactly what seems to be happening.  At least with the .1, .2 designations then we have at least 9 numbers to play with before getting into the double decimal point designations.  And surely by then we will reach something that the majority of people can agree to call G5.
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