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Quote from: SpacePinto on June 08, 2020, 05:06:10 AMQuote from: Mana Minori on June 07, 2020, 06:02:30 PMEvery Pony gen has the fans making the staple art of it- fan drawings, fanfiction. But with g4, we saw a whole flood of different forms of pony art- from original fan made music and remixes of the official music, to PMV’s, custom sculpts and crafts, to fan made fracking animations!To be honest, I find plenty of G4 fan works to be pretty cringeworthy.um...care to elaborate on that?Post Merge: June 08, 2020, 11:15:34 AMQuote from: Leave a Whisper on June 08, 2020, 06:30:14 AMOther then fanmade animation none of what you mention is new to any franchise that lends itself to creative endeavors. I don't know why anyone thinks sculpting, writing, customs, songs, crafts and stuffed toys got their start with FiM fans? Sorry, but if some of them actually think that, they are full of themselves.I remember my friend drawing and writing stories about new characters, because it was her dream to work at Disney's animation department some day. I've seen handmade crafts at swapmeets with popular characters before and during the time when the internet was what it is today. When I started going online to research G3s and look up my old G1s, I saw lots of pony customs and fan crafts. I've even commissioned a few. The only difference is that it can be widely shared. Why would it be some recent thing when lots of people have tried their hand at it even as kids? And people have been making up lyrics to songs for ages, often parodies belted out on the playground. Or Weird Al. As for G5, I've seen a few pics but with it only an announcement, Hasbro wildly see-sawing between two different styles and no further official information in sight, people can only speculate, and there will be little of it till further notice.ok, didn’t mean to offend, and I know these mediums of art existed before g4, but I was saying that I haven’t personally come across any, so either I’m looking in the wrong places, or they are rare and few and far between. I asked for a correction if I was wrong and there are some out there. And I appreciate you bringing this to light. I would also like you to point me in the direction of these earlier gen forms of art, if you please. Post Merge: June 08, 2020, 11:18:03 AMQuote from: lovesbabysquirmy on June 08, 2020, 08:10:41 AMPrevious to G4, we didn't have as much tech to have a platform to share fanwork. Well, yes you can upload images of your plushies to a website, but having web platforms like Youtube, DeviantArt, and Imgur and Flickr really helped. plus all the social media sites! yeah, SnS has been a huge help to finding and discovering people’s Pony works for sure! And there are so many now that it’s hard to compile them all in one space. I know that Takara pony crafts and crochet plushies exist out there, for sure! (I actually forgot about those when I was writing the op).
Quote from: Mana Minori on June 07, 2020, 06:02:30 PMEvery Pony gen has the fans making the staple art of it- fan drawings, fanfiction. But with g4, we saw a whole flood of different forms of pony art- from original fan made music and remixes of the official music, to PMV’s, custom sculpts and crafts, to fan made fracking animations!To be honest, I find plenty of G4 fan works to be pretty cringeworthy.
Every Pony gen has the fans making the staple art of it- fan drawings, fanfiction. But with g4, we saw a whole flood of different forms of pony art- from original fan made music and remixes of the official music, to PMV’s, custom sculpts and crafts, to fan made fracking animations!
Other then fanmade animation none of what you mention is new to any franchise that lends itself to creative endeavors. I don't know why anyone thinks sculpting, writing, customs, songs, crafts and stuffed toys got their start with FiM fans? Sorry, but if some of them actually think that, they are full of themselves.I remember my friend drawing and writing stories about new characters, because it was her dream to work at Disney's animation department some day. I've seen handmade crafts at swapmeets with popular characters before and during the time when the internet was what it is today. When I started going online to research G3s and look up my old G1s, I saw lots of pony customs and fan crafts. I've even commissioned a few. The only difference is that it can be widely shared. Why would it be some recent thing when lots of people have tried their hand at it even as kids? And people have been making up lyrics to songs for ages, often parodies belted out on the playground. Or Weird Al. As for G5, I've seen a few pics but with it only an announcement, Hasbro wildly see-sawing between two different styles and no further official information in sight, people can only speculate, and there will be little of it till further notice.
Previous to G4, we didn't have as much tech to have a platform to share fanwork. Well, yes you can upload images of your plushies to a website, but having web platforms like Youtube, DeviantArt, and Imgur and Flickr really helped. plus all the social media sites!
Well yes. Once again its because people didn't have a widespread means to go Hey! Look what I made isn't it neat? But that doesn't mean it didn't exist or that it was rare. To imply otherwise is feeding into certain mindsets of ignorant arrogance.
@ Carrehz.
but yeah, I think as long as G5 has a fandom (and of course it will - even if it doesn't reach the levels that FiM did, there'll be people watching, people discussing, drawing, writing, etc), there'll be fan content, and I suspect that fan content *in general*, across all newer fandoms, will continue to become more advanced as technology does and the ways to deliver it do. (also hopefully this is at least halfway coherent. I'm very tired.)
Quote from: SpacePinto on June 08, 2020, 05:06:10 AMQuote from: Mana Minori on June 07, 2020, 06:02:30 PMEvery Pony gen has the fans making the staple art of it- fan drawings, fanfiction. But with g4, we saw a whole flood of different forms of pony art- from original fan made music and remixes of the official music, to PMV’s, custom sculpts and crafts, to fan made fracking animations!To be honest, I find plenty of G4 fan works to be pretty cringeworthy.um...care to elaborate on that?
but then that's still a fandom, surely? Why is there this "need" to have a "fandom"? You can't control or predict what will/won't be a hit. I'm sure at least some of us will still be around for G5, isn't that enough of a fandom?
Quote from: Carrehz on June 09, 2020, 07:10:05 AMbut then that's still a fandom, surely? Why is there this "need" to have a "fandom"? You can't control or predict what will/won't be a hit. I'm sure at least some of us will still be around for G5, isn't that enough of a fandom?This is why the subject of comparison is so vexed - people trying to impose their interpretation of 'fandom' based on modern criteria, rather than interpreting it more broadly based on on what the word means. It's that which conveys this (false) idea that only modern 'fandoms' with modern 'content' are valid. This is why I hate the forced comparison. It's always used to undermine older fandoms as not meeting modern criteria, whether purposefully or otherwise, and it's simply irrelevant without taking into consideration wider context. Newer =/= better. Moving away from MLP for a moment but I know a couple of anime fandoms where something becomes out of date almost as fast as it's been posted.Anime fandoms (speaking as someone with broad experience of them) are also problematic because there are things that belong in those fan spaces that get transferred out to other lines or whatever. Anime can be quite adult in places. Ship fics and so on make sense in anime fandoms. Do they make sense in MLP ones? Some people will say yes, some will say no. It's a controversial question that probably has no answer.This completely omits the small percentage of crazy people in anime fandoms who spend all their time applying anime tropes to REAL LIFE people, spew random Japanese words into all their sentences, refer to themselves as x-chan and think everything should be remade in a Japanese style/chibi/whatever. I mean some level of that may be fine, but there's a limit to how much you can do that. Those people who take it over the top are embarrassing in their *own* fandom. They're a menace when they infiltrate others.Although based on what happened with FIM, the modern context of fandom was not just positive content but a lot of negative and seedy material as well...given that, and given MLP's demographic, it would probably be nice if G5 went back to a more muted sense of appreciation, where people contributed, but didn't feel the need to mutate it into something more adult than it is meant to be.Edit - SpacePinto basically beat me but made the same point about the seedier side of the 'fandom'.
It's just my guess but I suspect LAW is annoyed because she remembers the thread posted by this user a couple of years back which intimated G1 didn't have a fan presence online and needed to ape G4's in order to survive. Sadly that thread got removed but this one:http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,386564.15.htmlOn similar lines didn't, and also carries similar undertones in it.I remember those discussions and I'm sure LAW does as well. And with that context, it's easy to be ruffled by the OP's questions, comparisons, and pretence that she isn't aware of G1 fan media. But eh, perhaps lockdown has torched the OP's memory.In any case, a sincere request from me.Can we maybe have some discussions that don't require comparing fandoms? I think discussing fan media for G5 is valid and interesting, but this thread doesn't really seem to be about that so much as discussing whether G1 or G4 had media or whatever. But we're talking about G5, right? And the thing is, who knows where we will be going forward with tech in 10 years? So trying to imagine what might be possible then is an interesting exercise. I really expect 3D printing will play a bigger role than it does now, given that it's got very sophisticated even since the birth of G4 and G5 would be a perfect opportunity for it to evolve further.