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Quote from: Taffeta on November 28, 2019, 01:55:52 PMQuote from: Zapper on November 28, 2019, 01:47:52 PMI had a super long reply but it's just not worth it. I have made my feelings about the entire brony separation thing super obvious in the past.Aw, no rant? Disappointed...Yeah, I need to be more positive on here. That's why I have become a MLP:PL advocate Thinking of our fan-name right now... mhh, we need to separate ourselves from the Bronies that hate PL. Maybe pro-lifers? Nah, too dark and political. Lifesavers?
Quote from: Zapper on November 28, 2019, 01:47:52 PMI had a super long reply but it's just not worth it. I have made my feelings about the entire brony separation thing super obvious in the past.Aw, no rant? Disappointed...
I had a super long reply but it's just not worth it. I have made my feelings about the entire brony separation thing super obvious in the past.
People have different connitations for the term brony, so I am prefacing this post with the disclaimer that when I use it here I am not talking about the integrated people or people who are G4 fans who choose to use the term to identify themselves. I'm talking about the bad bronies.
Although there was a pony community long before G4, there is an attitude from the FIM fandom (aspects of it anyway) that MLP was first meaningful when G4 happened. I wouldn't care about that at all if that wasn't the narrative also being fed into documentaries and shows and articles - that this is a "good thing", when for a lot of us it hasn't been that way at all.
I am fed up with the saccharin back-slapping affirmation type documentary inserts that basically laugh about it all and how brony is a great/random/lol/unexpected phenomenon. All this media attention is like giving sweets to a naughty child to keep them quiet. It makes the behaviour continue, because there is both affirmation and reward - here in the form of media attention.
Basically bronies have had too much attention telling them that their convictions are right and their behaviour is acceptable. Older generation fans (especially G3 fans) have seen their favourites denigrated for brony amusement with no chance to put a different perspective out there. G2 has been basically erased from existence for 'not having a tv show.' It's not only had a permanent impact on how people outside view My Little Pony, but also how they view us as fans of MLP.
Obviously all of the negative reflects on the good G4 fans (guys and girls) as well. So long as media give attention and support to the brony concept without acknowledging that they're not representative of everyone, the whole perception will remain screwed.
I don't like FIM but I don't hate G4 and I even have maybe 80 brushables (mostly not M6). But G4 fandom is also always in terms of the show, which then leads to backdating comparisons to what earlier shows did, which leads to the rubbish about G2 = Tales and so on and so forth, completely ignoring that MLP was made originally in a time when cartoons existed to sell toys, not when franchises centred on a TV show that also had toys (a more recent trend). According to this modern retcon of what a pony fan is, I'm not a pony fan any more. I'm just someone who likes pony toys. For me that's all levels of wrong, because MLP began with toys.
On the subject of the divide - that also wasn't made here. When G4 came out, everything was super inclusive. The divide was made on the other side of the wall, when the compulsive need to trash everything and everyone pre-G4 began to happen. None of us ever wanted a divide, but protecting spaces from spammy and abusive trolls became imperative else this community and others would have ceased to exist.
Though I still maintain fandom and fan opinion is not needed in a documentary about a toy.Quote from: Leave a Whisper on November 28, 2019, 12:52:16 PMa documentary should focus on the toys, toons, merch, history, creators and designers, not ANY of the fans. It'd be just as stupid and nonsensical as a Rock n Roll documentary focusing more on groupies, roadies and super fans instead of the band's history and the music they made. Understandable. Essentially why I changed my idea to being an actual fandom documentary, rather than about the subject. Respect if you don't like the idea, it was just an idea to show that we can still unite, or something. I still get what was said in Taffeta's post I just responded too.
a documentary should focus on the toys, toons, merch, history, creators and designers, not ANY of the fans. It'd be just as stupid and nonsensical as a Rock n Roll documentary focusing more on groupies, roadies and super fans instead of the band's history and the music they made.
@MJSNEIFER - if all bronies had your mindset, there would never have been a community separation. And it sucks you had to deal with the hostility as well.I would like to think if there was a documentary about the 'fandom' of MLP, it would ignore the 'bronies' - both the word and the concept of it being a male revolution - and actually go and talk to people from all different corners of the world who are of all different ages, genders, demographics, races, etc. And instead of labelling them as 'fans of x generation' or 'bronies' or whatever, just talk to them about what THEY like about MLP. NOt what they dislike about OTHER versions of MLP, but just what got THEM into collecting.So instead of having a single voiced wave of "phenomenon brony woot" publicity, it actually shows the diversity of pony fans from all generations without priveleging any one as being somehow special.I am generally against fan documentaries, though...I can ask the views of pony fans by posting a thing on here, but things on TV tend to go from being opinion to canonised because they appeared on a TV show. I would rather have the TV shows talking about the creation, production, and promotion, and other stuff like LAW says. We don't need fan voices in everything - fan voices ruined G4 and probably took the TV show in a direction away from the kids, despite them being the target audience.The difference with G1 is that the target audience wasn't competing with an adult fanbase trying to define what MLP was. The target audience of G1 basically grew up into the adult collectors of G1 that exist now. The BBC even reported on Ponycon this year. There are pictures of all generations of pony in the photos, but look at who it was they were interviewing, and look at the content of the interview. This is not a negative piece by any means - but it definitely still feeds into that same narrow focus of what MLP fans are.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-50029501Time to change the whole mindset and remove these labels and start again just with 'fan'.
I’ve always thought that the media featuring Bronies was making fun of them a little? In kind of a “look at this nut” way. Even in this episode, it didn’t make being a Brony look cool. At best, it made some Bronies feel better about themselves but I don’t think it improved the rest of the world’s view of MLP fans. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the reason why the media covers MLP these days is because they want shots of men wearing pony costumes and talking about My Little Pony. I don't think they do it to flatter the fans, they’re just looking for eyeballs.