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Author Topic: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"  (Read 876 times)

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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2019, 01:01:22 PM »
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2019, 11:20:17 PM »
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That he's still the resident doormat.
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2019, 11:29:24 PM »
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That he's still the resident doormat.
So pretty much just like his superhero counterpart, utterly useless.

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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2019, 12:58:45 AM »
I've said this so many times.  Spike is a sidekick this show (goaded by its so-called fans) insists on trying to make a main character.
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2019, 01:08:21 AM »
I've said this so many times.  Spike is a sidekick this show (goaded by its so-called fans) insists on trying to make a main character.
Might be a good idea for the writers to recall how Spike was done in the past.

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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2019, 01:28:31 AM »
I've said this so many times.  Spike is a sidekick this show (goaded by its so-called fans) insists on trying to make a main character.
Might be a good idea for the writers to recall how Spike was done in the past.
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2019, 01:41:57 AM »

I've said this so many times.  Spike is a sidekick this show (goaded by its so-called fans) insists on trying to make a main character.
Might be a good idea for the writers to recall how Spike was done in the past.
"But those icky G1 and G3 ponies are so universally hated by all of humanity.  That's what our fans say."
That's obviously why they were so successful and not because of the sheer joy collectors got from seeing them.  :rolleyes:

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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2019, 09:12:30 AM »
As I've said before, I love Spike, both in this generation and the previous ones (G3 is probably my fave though).
To me, he's at the very edge of "main character" material. I do appreciate their efforts in giving him character development and all, but I think having him also be the "sidekick" at the same time just gives me unpleasant vibes; as if he's a just servant to the mane 6 and they don't really think highly of him.
Plus him being a little kid amongst primarily teenage/adult aged characters doesn't help. He really has no subordinate or peer; he's the smallest and weakest (physically and sometimes mentally) character in almost every way. Smolder is probably the closest we have, but even so, I'm not a big fan of her character.
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2019, 09:48:52 AM »
What's wrong with being a sidekick?  His best material has always been when he plays straight man to Twilight in her neurotic fits, being the blunt voice of reason to bulldoze through her irrational conclusions.  His worst episodes have always been when he's the focus where the traits that make him a good sidekick make him a terrible main character.  I think of attitudes towards Spike and just think of the Cartoon Network skit where the sidekicks are talking about how role is important even if it is on a tier lower than the main characters.
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2019, 12:58:53 PM »
As I've said before, I love Spike, both in this generation and the previous ones (G3 is probably my fave though).
To me, he's at the very edge of "main character" material. I do appreciate their efforts in giving him character development and all, but I think having him also be the "sidekick" at the same time just gives me unpleasant vibes; as if he's a just servant to the mane 6 and they don't really think highly of him.
Plus him being a little kid amongst primarily teenage/adult aged characters doesn't help. He really has no subordinate or peer; he's the smallest and weakest (physically and sometimes mentally) character in almost every way. Smolder is probably the closest we have, but even so, I'm not a big fan of her character.

I like G3 Spike myself. I liked his proper attitude, patience and mischievous streak. He was great! I can never remember his full name though.
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2019, 01:59:07 PM »
As I've said before, I love Spike, both in this generation and the previous ones (G3 is probably my fave though).
To me, he's at the very edge of "main character" material. I do appreciate their efforts in giving him character development and all, but I think having him also be the "sidekick" at the same time just gives me unpleasant vibes; as if he's a just servant to the mane 6 and they don't really think highly of him.
Plus him being a little kid amongst primarily teenage/adult aged characters doesn't help. He really has no subordinate or peer; he's the smallest and weakest (physically and sometimes mentally) character in almost every way. Smolder is probably the closest we have, but even so, I'm not a big fan of her character.

I like G3 Spike myself. I liked his proper attitude, patience and mischievous streak. He was great! I can never remember his full name though.

G3 Spike and his rap career will always be the best Spike to date! Btw, his full name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Spike.

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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2019, 02:40:42 PM »
As I've said before, I love Spike, both in this generation and the previous ones (G3 is probably my fave though).
To me, he's at the very edge of "main character" material. I do appreciate their efforts in giving him character development and all, but I think having him also be the "sidekick" at the same time just gives me unpleasant vibes; as if he's a just servant to the mane 6 and they don't really think highly of him.
Plus him being a little kid amongst primarily teenage/adult aged characters doesn't help. He really has no subordinate or peer; he's the smallest and weakest (physically and sometimes mentally) character in almost every way. Smolder is probably the closest we have, but even so, I'm not a big fan of her character.

I like G3 Spike myself. I liked his proper attitude, patience and mischievous streak. He was great! I can never remember his full name though.

G3 Spike and his rap career will always be the best Spike to date! Btw, his full name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Spike.
I always thought his name was "The one with the really long name that just happens to be called Spike"?

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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2019, 02:49:52 PM »
As I've said before, I love Spike, both in this generation and the previous ones (G3 is probably my fave though).
To me, he's at the very edge of "main character" material. I do appreciate their efforts in giving him character development and all, but I think having him also be the "sidekick" at the same time just gives me unpleasant vibes; as if he's a just servant to the mane 6 and they don't really think highly of him.
Plus him being a little kid amongst primarily teenage/adult aged characters doesn't help. He really has no subordinate or peer; he's the smallest and weakest (physically and sometimes mentally) character in almost every way. Smolder is probably the closest we have, but even so, I'm not a big fan of her character.

I like G3 Spike myself. I liked his proper attitude, patience and mischievous streak. He was great! I can never remember his full name though.

G3 Spike and his rap career will always be the best Spike to date! Btw, his full name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Spike.

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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2019, 05:34:20 PM »
What's wrong with being a sidekick?  His best material has always been when he plays straight man to Twilight in her neurotic fits, being the blunt voice of reason to bulldoze through her irrational conclusions.  His worst episodes have always been when he's the focus where the traits that make him a good sidekick make him a terrible main character.  I think of attitudes towards Spike and just think of the Cartoon Network skit where the sidekicks are talking about how role is important even if it is on a tier lower than the main characters.
Oh, I have no problem with him being a sidekick.   :lookround:
What I take issue with is the writing staff having him be both a focal point of storytelling and a sidekick at the same time. There are times where they clearly want me to see him as a more jokey character, but a lot of the drama that surrounds him kinda hinders that. Do one or the other.
Now that's not to say doing both is impossible, but it does need to be done with extra care.
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Re: FiM: S9E9 "Sweet and Smokey"
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2019, 07:32:22 AM »
I meant to write on this a couple weeks ago when the episode came out, but I got busy. I'm going strictly off memory here because frankly this episode isn't worth any sort of re-watch. Forgive me if I have some details wrong. :P

I don't even know where to begin with this episode. I might just do a bullet point list of things that really bugged me.
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All in all, this was a really bad episode. Definitely a sign that we're wrapping up this generation at the right time.