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Re: Community veterans: How were nirvanas discovered?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 06:07:03 PM »
I have DV printouts as well. I printed many from the library before we had net at home. I learned about ponies in the US from it - that Firefly etc were real ponies, not just in stories...and all the mail orders. Also some weird ponies I'd found second hand in the UK who I could now identify. I think DV was fine until it started to add UK stuff and then it imploded because all the info came at the same time and it could never keep up - and then she kind of gave up trying, so it got messy. But when I first found DV the only non US ponies mentioned were the last 2 years and everyone assumed that we had the same stuff as the US till then. And I assumed everyone else had what we had in the UK. And yeah. Culture shock all round. Followed by trading hysteria...

I really hope we never connect collector minds. Imagine the chaos. Imagine the apocalypse.
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Re: Community veterans: How were nirvanas discovered?
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 06:29:16 PM »
   DV was my go to source for info at the time! I've got the entire website printed out and in a binder still to this day. The original version of it. Every. Single. Page.  ^_^   So many ink cartridges died that day.

I did the same, and still have it too! The early pamphlet version. It looked so colorful and shiny. I just had to print it all out so I could sit and drool over the pictures without having to dial up to the internet, wait minutes for a page to load, cause the phone to not work for hours on end and cost a tremendous amount of money... Who said everything was better before? :lookround:

Can't say my mother was particularly happy about me using so many ink cartridges, but I think the alternative would have made her even unhappier ;)

For me, though, it was the tons of US ponies that I never knew existed that blew my mind and that I drooled over on that site :dropjaw:

When it came to the UK ponies I actually always referred to Taffetas page :) I thought that was, hands down, the best guide at the time for those.

I can't remember the name anymore (I've been racking my brain for a while now), but there was a German collector I believe (possibly Dutch) also back then which had quite an informative page about those ponies. I remember seeing Dutch Baby Flower on it especially and how I became just as mesmerized about those ponies as I was about the US ones :P

Today, for me personally, the MyLittleWiki has become the go-to place for pony info even though it lacks that personal feel to it. It is very informative though!
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Re: Community veterans: How were nirvanas discovered?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2019, 08:02:21 PM »
I have printouts of Dream Valley.  Also the My Little Pony Collector site with all the checklists!  :blush:

I don't even know how long I've been dealing with MLP and the Internet... LOL  I think I was on the Yahoo mailing lists, and of course, the 3 different iterations of the TP and hmmmmm... yeah... it was probably one of the first things I started using the Internet to research.  Mom had to get an ebay account for me and everything... 

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Re: Community veterans: How were nirvanas discovered?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2019, 09:44:25 AM »
Quote from: Desert Rose link=topic=394170.msg1755599#msg1755599

When it came to the UK ponies I actually always referred to Taffetas page :) I thought that was, hands down, the best guide at the time for those.


Thank you for that ;) I'd like to hope it still is, though the Wiki has become the go to site (and is much better than DV), it still has a lot of errors around ponies not from the US, esp in timelines.
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Re: Community veterans: How were nirvanas discovered?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2019, 11:04:25 AM »
I do mostly use the Wiki these days when quickly checking things.

However, when in-depth info or comparing info is needed to make sure things are right I always check with the other websites such as yours, Taffeta, the Dream Valley when that was still around, Strawberry Reefs site, the Rainbow Forest before that went down, Silverfalls Ponytopia back in the days for G3's, the Arenas Nirvana gallery and so on...

Unfortunately, many of those personal sites with info has gone down / become long forgotten by the owners :( Which is a shame because, like I said, I much prefer that 'personal feel' that those sites always have had :) Not to mention, all those different sites combined gave really good, complete info in the end after reading through them all in search for answers.
The only thing that always has been missing it seems is a personal site for Nirvanas (or perhaps I have just missed it?)

I completely understand why the owners of those sites that went down or have been forgotten can't / didn't want to keep up with them though. It must have been a monumental task. One I most certainly couldn't have kept up with. So you and all those who have worked on such sites over the years to provide the community with as accurate info as possible definitely have my respect.
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Re: Community veterans: How were nirvanas discovered?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2019, 06:10:47 PM »
I actually think the more websites we have the better for doing exactly what you said, and cross-referencing. Strawberry Reef is awful for G1 but I find it really helpful for G3 stuff. I use the Wiki a lot for quick reference on other gens as well, and I think as the go to mainstream site it takes on a lot and does a good job. It's just a problem if people only go to one site and assume it's 100% accurate because lets face it, we're all humans and nobody knows everything.

One big reason I left variants behind when they exploded into madness. Better not included that not right...<--my mantra for websites.

Erm, there have been specialist Nirvana websites. Marco used I think to have something on Italian stuff. Way back. I may be misremembering. There is the Gallery here as well, PKW would like me to point that out - so that's kind of specialist in its own way.

One other. But if you don't mind, I won't be talking about it.

I don't really know why other specialist sites didn't spring up. But to be frank, I think it's a question of effort. Running a website takes time. Energy. Research. And access to the product as well. A lot of the time you see posts here asking for image donations for new sites, which is fine, but it makes it harder when you don't have the ponies yourself to check. Especially with variations. And some of the Nirvana ponies are and were expensive or hard to source. Then there's the other problem that very few new websites are actually new.

Almost every new website since DV to now doesn't start from scratch, but takes the DV years timeline, and bases their information around that. For US sites that's fine, but it doesn't work with European or UK releases, and it is even worse with Nirvana. So because you'd have to begin from scratch with a totally different template, that's also a challenge and extra work.

 I admit, although I integrate the US, UK and European lines as much as possible, there are still threads of that timeline in how I organised my site as it currently is - more so people could find things than anything else. Although when my PhD is done and I have some time, I am going to do something about that.

It's very hard to take a different narrative from the one DV carved out in 1996. My site may be the oldest surviving ID site online now - I began it in 1998, and its changed over the years but it's been there in some form the whole of that time. But in spite of that fact, there's a lot of stuff on my site that later websites have ignored, including the Wiki, and Strawberry Reef, in order to adhere to that system and that's frustrating. It means that somewhere between the personal/specialist and the mainstream, information is getting lost. We know a lot less know in some ways than we did ten years ago, even if we know more than we did 20 years ago, because of sites lost that haven't been replaced and the dominance of that mainstream system even when it contradicts proof. In that situation, cross-referencing becomes really important, and the disappearance of sites problematic.

I think we would benefit from having sites for ponies in other countries than the US, UK, and sites for Nirvana ponies from experts in those areas, but we won't get them. If we get anything, it will be yet another ID site for US ponies based on DV's system, just in a new layout.

It's a bit like Generation 4 keeps pumping out the mane 6. These days the pony community is content with reworking ID around years 1 - 10, even though it's pretty much obsolete as an organisational system in a global community. Maybe it's a symptom of the remake trend, but l feel about ID sites the way people feel about mane 6 releases vs other characters. I badly want to see the other characters. But I am pretty doubtful it will ever happen.
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Re: Community veterans: How were nirvanas discovered?
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2019, 10:10:07 AM »
I think we would benefit from having sites for ponies in other countries than the US, UK, and sites for Nirvana ponies from experts in those areas, but we won't get them. If we get anything, it will be yet another ID site for US ponies based on DV's system, just in a new layout.

Yes please to Nirvana websites by experts in those areas! That would be a dream come true :inlove:. But I do understand that websites take a lot of time and energy to produce and maintain.

Here are a few sources on Nirvanas that I've found, though I don't know enough to vouch for their total accuracy:
Italian ponies: http://miominipony.mlparena.com/ponyelencogenerale.htm
This French website has pictures and names of ponies from various countries: http://petitecollection.free.fr/Section_Pays.htm
Mexican ponies: http://www.mexicanponyparadise.com/mexican101.html
And of course there's the Arena Nirvana Spotlights, which are always super useful and informative, and really well-researched: http://mlparena.com/index.php?topic=390275.0