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Rehairing a pony is also damage.Looking at it objectively, it requires:- Breaking the original neck seal- Ripping out the original hair (however little is left of it)- Using a rerooting tool which may or may not damage the holes further.- Gluing inside the head with new glue.- Potentially it also involves creating a new tail, thus maybe removing original tail and washer and so on.I am not saying those things are wrong to do. Just that they are equally 'damaging' the original pony as is writing on it. They're permanent and can't be undone either. Marking politics are also a bit hazy for me, because I see people getting ponies signed and that's fine, but writing rehair on the hoof is not so fine...? I really don't understand how that works.If I had a $ for every time someone said "I'm never going to sell X so it doesn't matter", and then they sold it, I could buy a new MOC G1 pony. It may never happen, but it just makes sense to raise awareness of possibilities.Marking may not be the perfect answer for everyone, but it is still a possible solution. If there's a better solution, then someone needs to be constructive and suggest it. Unless the solution is to let people get misled.@BlackCurtains - Unfortunately yes, people do rehair ponies with the thought to scam people. I am pretty sure it was Greek ponies which at one point were being rehaired to create new variants or something? Plus there's the fake Reverse Gusties, and numerous incidents around Piggy Ponies being rehaired and not disclosed...to name a few. It's usually a problem more on big ticket items but there are people who will try and hide a rehair to get more money for their item. It's naive to think otherwise. Unfortunately just because you are honest with your rehairing doesn't mean everyone else is, and doesn't mean the person who (theoretically) buys a pony from you is as honest as you are. I have seen it happen to people. That's why it matters to me to make sure it doesn't happen going forward.
Quote from: BlackCurtains on June 24, 2018, 06:39:37 AMMeh. You keep using the word scammed, but if it's unintentional it's not a scam. It's a buyer beware situation - comes with collecting *shrug*Does it matter if it's intentional if it leads to someone getting hurt?
Meh. You keep using the word scammed, but if it's unintentional it's not a scam. It's a buyer beware situation - comes with collecting *shrug*
My two cents on the debate: By not marking a pony you could be responsible for someone losing money or getting hurt. Don't think that it's not your problem and don't take it lightly.
Rehairing a pony is also damage.Looking at it objectively, it requires:- Breaking the original neck seal- Ripping out the original hair (however little is left of it)- Using a rerooting tool which may or may not damage the holes further.- Gluing inside the head with new glue.- Potentially it also involves creating a new tail, thus maybe removing original tail and washer and so on.
If someone was actively trying to scam, obviously they would not tell anyone it was a reroot, let alone write on it. And if someone got a pony with "reroot" on it and wanted to scam, they could just take a black marker and put a big ol' blot over the entire bottom of the hoof.To me this seems like an 'answer' searching for a problem. I don't think people getting 'fooled' by reroots is in any way common. Yeah, Reverse Gusty happened . . . 20 years ago, when Paypal didn't exist and we were all sending cash overseas. These days a simple "Item not as described" complaint will get your money back.
I think it's a matter of a collectors individual perspective. To you, it's damage. To another person, it's a restoration. It bothers some people and not others, and no side of the argument is right or wrong.
Anyone ever put a piece of paper with a penciled note in a rehaired / restored pony? I sell restored ponies on Etsy (and fully disclose what I did) but don’t usually mark them. I can see how that info might be lost if that person sells it. Of course, the buyer would still have to ask questions or the seller might never remove the head to check! Hmmmmm....I do agree that’s a gorgeous Powder just as she is!
@Baby Sugarberry, do not even get me started on the cleaning issues and chemicals and that horrible acne cream disaster. That's even worse in my view, but it's a whole other thread completely to deal with that. BUT it does link to this in a way, since at the time nobody saw an issue with it, nobody marked or noted any ponies that had been treated with the stuff and we all know the result. I don't think this is quite like that.
Quote from: Taffeta on June 24, 2018, 02:59:42 PM@Baby Sugarberry, do not even get me started on the cleaning issues and chemicals and that horrible acne cream disaster. That's even worse in my view, but it's a whole other thread completely to deal with that. BUT it does link to this in a way, since at the time nobody saw an issue with it, nobody marked or noted any ponies that had been treated with the stuff and we all know the result. I don't think this is quite like that. But this is exactly like that, isn't it? Something's being done to a pony that isn't obvious at first, but later on has potentially detrimental effects. So should we ink/carve up every pony that is cleaned? Clearly no. I'm not advocating for that!
There are always going to be cases like this. Undisclosed horrible smells, mould/mildew/rust, marks that were hidden due to the angle of the photograph, lighting that washes out blemishes, etc. Short of buying ponies in person (and even then!) it can be very difficult to ascertain every possible flaw.
Awareness is as simple as sellers saying 'hey, this pony is rehaired' and buyers asking 'hey, is this pony rehaired?' That's it. That's all you need.