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It's a french collector, I know her username from a french forum. I may ask in there if someone remember that particular baby if you want. Edit: She speaked about her variant in the french forum and said she didn't think after close inspection it was a sunfade one because she firstly bet on this.Here's the pictures she posted back in 2015 of "the pony"visitors can't see pics , please register or login
I've seen a lot of Baby AJs over the years and I have seen ones with faded or paler colouring, just like with adult. I don't know about this one, though. It is a bit more extreme.I am...cautious to call it a variant, but not really willing to totally rule it out. I have a Baby Ember who is clearly lavender ember but is pretty much entirely greyI've also had Magic Stars with blue hair from sun fading as well. I don't like to put everything down to fading, but the eyes make me a bit uncomfortable.The symbol would be more persuasive to me if the eyes were green still. Green fades to blue easily so that suggests her paler colours could be fading. The one big difference between them is hair rooting which suggests they do belong to different batches. In which case, minor variations might have been accentuated by sunlight.Baby Lemon Drop (Stroller version) comes in 2 variations re her symbol, lavender and a really dark reddish purple. I don't see why the same couldn't be true for Baby AJ. My Baby AJ came to me from new but she sat on a shop shelf for ten years before I got her. Looking at her colouring in my photos, in my image her eyes look slightly less green than I remember them, but that could be the image. Which means it's hard to judge the colours from images on this as well.The pony in ColdRuru's linked images also show her without a tail, and the original images show her with damage to one eye. That kind of implies a harder life (unless the tail was removed for cleaning) and a replacement tail possibly? Ponies who have wear also are more likely to show fading.In any case, I think she's overpriced :/ There are few batch variations which fetch that kind of price difference o.O
Yeah, it's probably best not to completely rule out the possibility of variant or error, but it's unlikely. Especially since all of her seems to be lighter and no others have been spotted AFAIK. And there is a regular AJ with the same thing going on. I guess we really don't know... (I hope it's a variant though. that would be awesome!)Also, I was thinking that if her eyes were still green, her head could've been switched, but thats a slim possibility... I don't think it's even a real possibility. Not to accuse anyone either!!!! Just a thought.
Quote from: Safflower on June 21, 2018, 05:43:54 PMYeah, it's probably best not to completely rule out the possibility of variant or error, but it's unlikely. Especially since all of her seems to be lighter and no others have been spotted AFAIK. And there is a regular AJ with the same thing going on. I guess we really don't know... (I hope it's a variant though. that would be awesome!)Also, I was thinking that if her eyes were still green, her head could've been switched, but thats a slim possibility... I don't think it's even a real possibility. Not to accuse anyone either!!!! Just a thought.I truely agree. Though I think I saw somewhere on Google image search one or two more of the adult Applejacks with this going on? What is the most odd to me, is that if this is possible to happen by fading then how come this is the first baby AJ to emerge in this shape and color.Honestly nothing is impossible with ponies! After all, we have nirvanas that have never even been found as other than once with a head different colour than the body, suggesting body swapping. The things these millions of ponies have encountered can be crazy.
Lots of Cotton Candys have blue eyes, despite being purple at the beginning. This has been confirmed to not be a variant (in most cases), and to instead be due to the behavior of the red pigment. Red is much more sensitive to UV light, so it breaks down very quickly. Yellow is not as sensitive, therefore the symbols look yellow without any damage or smudges to the paint.I'm still inclined to believe it is due to fading for this reason, but I'd still love to see photos if you can provide them later.
Quote from: tailrustedtealeaf on June 21, 2018, 03:09:31 PMLots of Cotton Candys have blue eyes, despite being purple at the beginning. This has been confirmed to not be a variant (in most cases), and to instead be due to the behavior of the red pigment. Red is much more sensitive to UV light, so it breaks down very quickly. Yellow is not as sensitive, therefore the symbols look yellow without any damage or smudges to the paint.I'm still inclined to believe it is due to fading for this reason, but I'd still love to see photos if you can provide them later. The thing that makes me kinda skeptical that it's just fading is that the stems/leaves on the variant are blue. If they were originally 'normal', that would suggest the yellow pigment in the green stems has faded almost completely - yet the apples are still definitely yellow. Regular Applejack's apples are also pretty red, so I would think that if they were faded they'd be almost white. Maybe someone out there with a baity Baby Applejack should leave her out in the sun for a while and let us know what happens.
Definetly, understandable. Though right above you someone posted a comparison and comment made by the ponys owner himself, so definetly read it and analyze the images if you haven't already.
QuoteQuote from: Safflower on June 21, 2018, 05:43:54 PMYeah, it's probably best not to completely rule out the possibility of variant or error, but it's unlikely. Especially since all of her seems to be lighter and no others have been spotted AFAIK. And there is a regular AJ with the same thing going on. I guess we really don't know... (I hope it's a variant though. that would be awesome!)Also, I was thinking that if her eyes were still green, her head could've been switched, but thats a slim possibility... I don't think it's even a real possibility. Not to accuse anyone either!!!! Just a thought.I truely agree. Though I think I saw somewhere on Google image search one or two more of the adult Applejacks with this going on? What is the most odd to me, is that if this is possible to happen by fading then how come this is the first baby AJ to emerge in this shape and color.Honestly nothing is impossible with ponies! After all, we have nirvanas that have never even been found as other than once with a head different colour than the body, suggesting body swapping. The things these millions of ponies have encountered can be crazy. Were the other AJs you saw different in appearance? If they were then fading would be VERY likely since different ponies fade differently. And I think there might be actual nirvanas with this AJ symbol coloring too.There are probably very few AJs like this because this harsh of fading requires a lot of time and exposure. Also, if she were to be a variant or error, we would know nothing about her apart from what she looks like, right? We really need more info darn it!(Edited because I totally quoted correctly the first time.)
Quote from: CinnamonOnions on June 21, 2018, 06:31:25 PMDefinetly, understandable. Though right above you someone posted a comparison and comment made by the ponys owner himself, so definetly read it and analyze the images if you haven't already.Confused by the above since I obviously commented on those photos in my post... What we don't have here is an image of her with her head removed to see the inside colour. My Ember that I mentioned is a lot more purple in her neck seal than on her body. The problems I have remain the same. The eye colour is suspect because it isn't blue so much as the tell-tale green-to-blue that comes with fading. Someone else mentioned the symbol leaves as well, which also show similar signs. That suggests fading. It's been said that if it was faded, we'd have seen this before. That's not the case. In the 2 decades I've been working with UK information, a lot of stuff that was once general knowledge about mainstream European ponies is now gone. There are a lot of subjects people raise and then talk about as though they're new variations, when in fact they've been known about for years. And it's really unlikely that the community would see value in recording images of faded ponies. With all of this said, I still think it probable that she came from a lighter colour batch. People don't focus on batch variations very much, but they're really normal. To bring everyone back down to earth, the reason you notice this Baby AJ is because her symbol seems so starkly yellow. If you didn't see that, you might not notice. If she wasn't next to another Baby AJ, would anyone notice she was paler? Would you pay attention to the eyes? My point is, a lot of paler AJs and baby AJs can easily fly under the radar if they're not being directly compared. I still think she is basically the same as a regular Baby AJ in terms of her value. Maybe less because that's probably a replaced tail and her eye looks damaged. But as ColdRuru said, it is up to the seller and buyer to price her. Edit to add: To demonstrate what I mean about batch, some other Baby AJs for general comparison purposes:Spoilervisitors can't see pics , please register or login From Ponyland pressSpoilervisitors can't see pics , please register or loginFrom a sale siteSpoilervisitors can't see pics , please register or login And mine, which I had from new.None of these have yellow symbols, but also none of these have the same shade of symbol as each other, either. If the pony began with a paler symbol, then she's more likely to fade to yellow than, for example, my baby might with her dark orange apples.It's also very logical that if Mother AJ has this symbol variation, baby will as well. They're almost certainly being printed from the same factory.This isn't a Nirvana type pony release, it's a mainstream pony release across a large swathe of Europe. There will be differences, and a little sun just made this one a bit more exotic.
Everything about that 'variant' Baby Applejack points to fading. The least stable colour is red. Yellow is the next to go, and blue is the most difficult to break down with UV. Orange body paler = less redApples yellow = less redLeaves blue = green - yellowblue eyes = green - yellowI had an Applejack with yellow apples on one side and reddish-orange on the other, nothing more than sun damage. Pretty sure she ended up in the custom bait bin. Cute, but not valuable.
Not Applejack, but Wigwam who is another orange pony:I have three, they all look very different but I'm pretty sure that two are faded. They have faded very uniformly over their bodies, and the hair and eyes have remained white and blue. The red symbols have faded to almost nothing particularly on the lightest of the three. I've had the heads off all three and the neck plugs on the light ones are darker orange than the outside of the body.I love them as they look like a set of brothers, similar but different enough to be individuals, but they are all regular Wigwams as far as I know.
Definetly. The amount of differences one factorys ponies can have is the most obvious in nirvanas though, thus they're a good extreme level example of normal factory made differences between the same pony.
Quote from: CinnamonOnionsDefinetly. The amount of differences one factorys ponies can have is the most obvious in nirvanas though, thus they're a good extreme level example of normal factory made differences between the same pony.I would disagree with this. Again, it's a problem of what information the community priveleges. Before Nirvana became a thing (ie before the word was applied to variants) we just had variations and a lot more discussion happened about things like this in a meaningful way. I don't say Nirvana shouldn't exist, but a lot of people focus now on those variations rather than the normal everyday ones that exist in most lines of most ponies in most places.To give you an example, I have 6 different versions of Baby Mischief, which between them cover 3 manufacturing locations, have four different hair tinsel rooting patterns and three different body tones. But most people just talk about Baby Mischief and not any of those variations. They are really obvious variations you can tell by looking at the pony - but most people don't look that closely, because they're just not interested in those things. She's just one pony, who had a fairly limited release. Imagine how many other variations like that there are across all the mainstream release ponies across all countries (by mainstream I mean HK or China made).By contrast, if you talk about, say, Greek Sunlight, or Greek Medley, there'll be more discussion on the colour of the pony etc because people are more aware of those differences. It's a matter of knowledge and interest not a matter of it not happening, and over the years the interest in Nirvana stuff has grown at the expense of the more mainstream differences.In short what I am trying to say is that there is a fair level of variation between different ponies from the same release without any formal reason why. And those ponies are generally just accepted in the community as normal. If this Baby AJ had green eyes and green symbol leaves I'd believe her symbols began as yellow. But because she doesn't, I suspect they began as pale orange...which is more unusual but still normal.
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