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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2018, 08:18:33 PM »
I'd love to see those MOc's please drop me an email when you have time (no doubt ponies is distracting you from your work) I know you can't donate them to the gallery, please don't worry about that. I would like to see them though :)

I vaguely remember *something* about two factories, I need to see if I can find the thread. I am sure it was a discussion on the NC vs. Spain marked Rainbows and glitter vs. metallic symbols. The idea that NC ponies were made for export was brought up, but on looking at the cards in the gallery, it clearly wasn't the case for some ponies.

Packaging is important, in the last 12-18 months I have become more interested in packaging and back cards because of the information they have :)

There are some MOC pictures in the gallery for the Sundea Best ponies :) but there is no picture of the backs of the cards.

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=228084

LadyPinwheel has several lovely Pinterest album with Spanish language backcards,

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/ladypinwheel/my-little-pony-backcards-in-spanish/

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/ladypinwheel/mlp-backcards/

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/ladypinwheel/my-little-pony-made-in-spain/

LadyPinwheel and I spent sometime untangling the piggy ponies and their two wave release (MB vs. Breker) and the three symbols variants of the second set :)

I deliberately didn't mention the Zombie family ponies when I was talking about Spanish features :lol: IMHO the Daddies seemed to be nice quality compared to the Mummies. The Mummies bodies are rougher in finish, the hair is thinner and uneven, the plugs far apart, as well as more misprints on the eyes and symbols. They also seem much more prone to wear compared to other ponies, you often see them with bad symbol and eye rubs and I don't think it was down to them being mistreated. The Daddies have always seemed better, heavier smoother bodies, neater symbols and eyes and thicker hair.

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=472174

There is always one though.......

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=472684

:lol:

Sometimes we believe what we believe because it has been considered "right" for such a long time, and it becomes hard to question it because it is considered fact. We still need to ask questions :) I know over the years I have been collecting many myths have been dispelled and ideas debunked.

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 08:58:03 PM »
I have sent you an email ;) hopefully it worked ok.

Yeah, I spend a lot of my time either debunking or fighting truth-resistent myths. I still see Baby Buttons etc listed on ebay as UK ponies. Sigh. Never mind. It continues.

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2018, 02:09:06 PM »
Thank you or the email, those backcards are beautiful :wow:

I spoke to Himmie who told me (and showed me pictures) that the AppleDelight Family Ponies are marked "made in Spain" on the box.

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2018, 06:51:29 PM »
I know, isn't it such a stunning card :'( I want so muchhh...

On the family, interesting. Now I wonder if we can do the same check up on the English cards to see if they also say Spain for the NC parents. Not that I think hasbro were always right about this on packages...but it would be nice to know if there's consistency or not.

...*watches the thread veer off on a new detour*
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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2018, 08:25:50 PM »
I think we need a new thread asking to see those Family pony back cards :bigups:

Thank you for the email ;) ^.^

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2018, 06:56:39 PM »
Interesting discussion! I really like these kind of digging. ^^

Some NC ponies definately had a wider spread than just Spain. In Sweden we had NC Lemon Drop, both baby and adult, in english language  boxes. Not sure though if boxes are marked as made in spain or not (mine are packed away unfortunately)
I believe we had the NC Sundance as well. I have never seen her in box irl, but I have always assumed that if the packaging says otherwise, it just means the rest of it is made in another country. Like Megan might be made in China, whereas Sundance is NC. However, it makes sence that it might be that NC(spanish) are not always span made. At least not considering the Wingers and sundae best etc..

Regarding the Sundae Best in the gallery, Have we only seen the NC ones on spanish cards? Is it confirmed that those in the gallery on spanish cards actually are NC or are they just assumed since they are on spanish cards?  Is there any HK or China ones on spanish cards as well?

I'm curiaous though, Princess Sundance? I think I have missed something here.. Anyone have a pic? :)

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2018, 07:27:39 PM »
I'm glad you've posted :) Taffeta and I were discussing your MIB NC Baby Lemon and wondering where is said she was made on her box :lol:

Yes, the MOC Sundea Best ponies shown in the nirvana gallery are have an NC mark :) I don't think I've seen them on any other card? They seem really hard to find, but it may be they are hiding in plain sight.

Princess Sundance ;)

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 12:04:35 PM »
I have this feeling that where there's a difference in manufacture the box states it. I might only be dealing with UK boxes here, but I'm sure I've seen 'pony made in (x), playset made in (y). Or similar. I don't have Megan and Sundance's box to hand here in London, unfortunately, so I can't hunt all over it to see if anything else is said. I can only just make out made in china on the box flap. I had been told by someone in Sweden that the Swedish release of Megan and Sundance featured the same outfit as the US (in that thread, actually, that PKW linked in the other discussion on nirvana backcards, there's a promotional image and it does show Megan in that dress). I don't know about the rest of Europe and the manufacture of Sundance in general. It makes sense that she'd be in countries where other NC ponies were on sale, but the outfit situation confuses me. I also have a couple of UK acquired Sundances and they're different from each other.

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/meganandsundance2.htm
images etc.

Unfortunately the only surviving box piece I know of from the 1987 UK release is goddessofpeep's and it doesn't have the flaps, only the back I think. So we may not be able to tell where that one is made. I'll check my files but I suspect it won't be there. It's never come up MIP, as far as I know.

Sigh. What I want to do now is go home, take apart my pony collection and check information. What I actually have to do is go over my notes for tomorrow's class then prepare to see my professor about my work. Being grown up is so much hassle sometimes...

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2018, 07:16:00 PM »
Lol, I'm glad I started this discussion! Who knew it was so complicated?  :lol:
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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2018, 01:37:43 PM »
Bringing up an old topic here, but I found a picture I have been searching for a while, that I new I had seen somewhere. It puzzled me a bit, as I have never heard of  anything pony related to West Germany.
I guess it is only the playset and that no ponies where actuall produced in W-Germany (as my Home Sweet Home state as made in USA, and I dont think any ponies where produced there either? )
It feels far fetched though, that come NC ponies should have ben produced here, not for the spanish market who had their own production. And those pony releases where much later then the stable.

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2018, 01:52:59 PM »
One of the Nursery releases is also made in W. Germany. I think Kitchen and some Kiss Curl parlours are made in spain  and the green base waterfall says on the box made in the UK.



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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2018, 07:34:20 AM »
Aw, and I though that I had found something new here :P

Anyone know why the playsets where made at other places then the ponies?
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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2018, 03:15:44 PM »
Interesting discussion! I really like these kind of digging. ^^

Some NC ponies definately had a wider spread than just Spain. In Sweden we had NC Lemon Drop, both baby and adult, in english language  boxes. Not sure though if boxes are marked as made in spain or not (mine are packed away unfortunately)
I believe we had the NC Sundance as well. I have never seen her in box irl, but I have always assumed that if the packaging says otherwise, it just means the rest of it is made in another country. Like Megan might be made in China, whereas Sundance is NC. However, it makes sence that it might be that NC(spanish) are not always span made. At least not considering the Wingers and sundae best etc..

Regarding the Sundae Best in the gallery, Have we only seen the NC ones on spanish cards? Is it confirmed that those in the gallery on spanish cards actually are NC or are they just assumed since they are on spanish cards?  Is there any HK or China ones on spanish cards as well?

I'm curiaous though, Princess Sundance? I think I have missed something here.. Anyone have a pic? :)

(And Taffeta, if you would share the MOCs by mail, I would be very happy to see them. :))

I am glad you posted as I wanted to ask about your NC Baby Lemondrop! So the one in the gallery is Swedish release then? It is your pony and picture ;)

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=384951

I NEVER assume anything when it comes to then nirvana gallery ;) So all the Sundae Best ponies, and any other MOC or MIB shown in the nirvana gallery are actually NC, they wouldn't be in the gallery otherwise :)

I have always tried, where possible, with the all Spanish and NC ponies, to add if the pony is NC marked or Spain marked :) So ponies are listed as Spain if the have a Spain stamp or NC if they have no country stamped. If i have no info on the ponies hoof mark, it is just listed with it's name :bigups: (I will need to do some upgrades at some point to fill in a few gaps)

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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2018, 03:25:07 PM »
I am glad you posted as I wanted to ask about your NC Baby Lemondrop! So the one in the gallery is Swedish release then? It is your pony and picture ;)

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=384951

I NEVER assume anything when it comes to then nirvana gallery ;) So all the Sundae Best ponies, and any other MOC or MIB shown in the nirvana gallery are actually NC, they wouldn't be in the gallery otherwise :)

I have always tried, where possible, with the all Spanish and NC ponies, to add if the pony is NC marked or Spain marked :) So ponies are listed as Spain if the have a Spain stamp or NC if they have no country stamped. If i have no info on the ponies hoof mark, it is just listed with it's name :bigups: (I will need to do some upgrades at some point to fill in a few gaps)

Love pkw xxx

Yes NC baby Lemon Drop was sold like that in Sweden :) I had her as a child (with the same accessories), and the NC version and pink stroller are definately more common second hand then the other one. I selldom see the purple stroller for sale in Sweden, and then it is mostly sold from collectors who may have gotten them from elsewhere. I dont think the HK version was sold here at all.
The one in the gallery is bought directly from a toystore in Sweden that sold out left over stock. :)

Ok, good to know ^^ Had to ask to be sure :P  Its good that you are very specific in the texts so it is easy to tell them apart. :)
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Re: Slightly confused about exclusives versus nirvanas!
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2018, 05:36:29 PM »
Thank you :D I have updated the information in the gallery :hug: :bigups:

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