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Star Wars The Last Jedi
« on: December 21, 2017, 01:58:12 PM »
I'm surprised not to see a thread here already? Have I missed it?

Who's seen it? We saw it the other night and I'd be interested to hear what others think?

I think comments in spoiler tabs might be prudent not to ruin for others who might not have seen it?

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I am wading in dangerous waters here... but I was quite disappointed  :huh: 
Since watching it I've been reading reviews have found I'm not the only one walking away shaking their head. It certainly seems a very divisive film!
I thought there were some great visuals and a couple of scenes that were terrific - the rebel ship hyper-driving into the first order's ship - the one stand out scene of the entire movie for me - just WOW!  But.... everything else...
I really felt it was waaaaay over the top CGI in places, like bad on the prequels level (I'm not a fan of those films) and the amount of unnecessary creatures (I think the porgs were the least of this movie's problems - don't get me started on the sea cow thing) were just ridiculous. The whole casino scene... ugh! Not the mention the humour...
What the heck was the film trying to do? From the first two minutes when Poe was playing the "I'm on hold" prank I was really hoping that wasn't setting the tone for the film and oh my... it did :(  The original three Star Wars films had silly humour in them - but that was part of the charm, and not rampant throughout. I felt this new film just way overdid it - it was too frequent; too smart ass.... I feel it was veering wildly away from true star wars, and coming off like any other action filled, rely on the special effects, jump the shark modern sci fi with non-stop chuckles to keep the audience entertained. And perhaps that's what is was - just entertainment. How else to explain the ninja weapon weilding red guards after snork or snope or whatever he was called got nailed? And Fasma... really? What a stupid character. About as bad as Hux.
Come on... this is Star Wars. I'm not a die hard fan, but I cherish the first three films and I think there is a certain level in its universe that sets it apart, which still translates really well with a modern audience despite its age. Was this new film trying to appeal to a more modern audience with different expectations? The Force Awakens was a bit silly in places, but I had lots of fun watching it on first viewing and it managed to maintain the Star Wars spirit. In this one, many of the characters for me felt largely petulant and childish. Even BB8 annoyed me. Kylo was a slight improvement in this film - I liked the internal conflict we saw in this segment of the series and it will be interesting to see where it leads, but at the moment I'm just anticipating perhaps a last minute redemption a bit like Vadar in Return of the Jedi.
Oh boy.... what a rant. So, I'm clearly in the critical camp, perhaps a bit too old school?

I'm sure there are those here who loved it - please tell us why, and feel free to theorise about where the finale is headed :)

And in the interests of friendly, healthy discussion, everyone keep your lightsabers down!  :lol:

 


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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2017, 05:14:29 PM »
I tried to go last Saturday morning.  Theater was too crowded, my anxiety caused me to leave and go home.  But I'm trying again this weekend, so I'll check back in on this thread later.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2017, 05:19:47 PM »
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I saw it and . . . it didn't really feel like a Star Wars movie to me.  I agree that the first "I'm on hold" joke seemed really out of place.

Also, TOO MANY SUBPLOTS!   IMO they should have cut out the whole "search the casino for a hacker" scene.  Just have them use someone from the rebel base or something.

I liked Rey on the island trying to convince Luke; that was the part that felt the most "Star Wars" to me.  But I didn't like the parts with Rey and Kylo Ren "brain chatting."

I also felt there wasn't nearly enough build up to S . . . Snopes(?) death.  His guards felt artificial with their all-different weapons.

I did like the fallout over the "I don't need to listen to no authority" attitude of Poe.  When he first went off on his own I was kind of rolling my eyes, but then it turned out that, whoa, an ADMIRAL does have more strategic knowledge than a random pilot and, whoa, doesn't tell her plans to every random person on the bridge.

I still feel it was a better movie than the prequels, yet at the same time I think the prequels did feel more "Star Wars."
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2017, 07:05:08 PM »
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I was disappointed as well.  I think they were trying way too hard to be clever with the writing.  There were so many twists, you came to expect them after a time.  And so many of the twists were stupid and damaged the previous film.  After all the allusions of Rey's connection with Luke, she's just the child of a couple of drunks who happens to be Force sensitive.  What?  Super Leia was also ridiculous.

And the ending was just stupid.  Luke is dead meaning all the characters who speak English from the original films are going to be gone.  The Resistance fits inside of the Millennium Falcon and deprived of all their leadership and scientists are dead.  I don't care if they've inspired some random kids.  Unless they're going steal a star destroyer for them, the Resistance is irrelevant now.

Speaking of the Resistance, the New Republic had been in power for more than 30 years, a decade longer than the Empire.  Yet, they have bombers inferior to the B-Wing, Y-Wing, and even the TIE Bomber.  What?  Their transports are unshielded and unarmed even though the Rebellion had U-Wings 40 forty years ago.  What?  How can you be less well equipped when you have the backing of the New Republic than the Rebellion did three decades earlier?  I don't care if the bulk of your fleet was blown up in the last movie, your forward base of operations should have the best at your disposal.  You deserved to get your collective butts kicked.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2017, 07:30:48 PM »
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I have not been to see it myself, but I am not adverse to spoilers and it sounds like some interesting stuff happens between Kylo and Rey. I'm all about getting those two together, so I am intrigued. I am curious to see how I will feel about what they did with Luke. From what I researched, Mark Hamill was kinda in shock when he read the script. Porgs also look super cute and I can't wait to see them.

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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2017, 11:10:33 PM »
No. No, no, no, no! Did NOT like!

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While the whole theatre sat there laughing at the jokes I just facepalmed and asked myself if I had walked into a Marvel movie. It is so obvious Disney owns them both now, the same type of humour.

They took some really interesting, intriguing characters from the Force Awakens and made fools and idiots of them which made me so sad. Phasma being one of them.

Poe is in lack of better words a foot soldier. They follow orders and are told the plans if they need to know. Yet he thinks he knows better than an Admiral who has been doing this as long as Leia and create a mutiny? And not only does his plan fail, his friends mission fails and it's all in vain and I sat there, thinking what did this totally unecessary side plot bring to the story? Other than the boy with the broom in the end? I was so filled with wtf I can't even...

Also, the ending. I sat there, watched a scene and thought it was the end.. And it wasn't. But the next one!!... wasn't either. But the next?! No. I was so over the movie when the end credits finally came..

There were some things I liked, Rey at the island and her and Kylo in the throne room. But it was not enough to level up the rest.

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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2017, 11:08:22 AM »
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I actually kind of liked it just on certain scenes alone that looked like Star Wars... such as Luke and the final fight scene.   I loved the visual.   I also enjoyed the Rebel admiral's plan.  It was clever.

But, as my sister said... "It was Poe vs the Rebellion.  Worst team member ever."  He disobeyed orders, he mutinied, he got most of the rebellion killed and yet, Leia says "Follow him"?  Even Han was more respectful.  Poe needs to be in the brig and stay there just for the lives he threw away needlessly.  Soldiers aren't toys.

And the whole gambler's planet thing... so unneeded.  Yes, I did like the race animals.  I feel all the unnecessary stuff was in there just so Poe and Finn could have action scenes.  Why?

And... Rey's actions with Kylo were really weird.  He just killed her friend and his father.  She has no real connection to him.  And yet... she wants to save him. 
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2017, 03:06:35 PM »
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A couple things I did like:

I expected to be annoyed by the porgs, but I wasn't.  They were funny and not intrusive to the movie.  Obviously just there to sell toys, but better than ewoks, ha ha.

I really liked the scene with Yoda's ghost visiting Luke and setting the tree on fire.

I also liked Luke saying that it was conceited to think that Jedi's 'owned' the idea of the Force . . . The Jedi religion was based around the Force, but the Force exists whether the Jedi do or not.

ALSO, and this was a big one, they moved the idea of the Force back to a holistic, naturalistic idea rather than the prequels idea that it was a thing "measured by midiclorians in the blood", which I HATED.

However, I agree that pretty much all the First Order guys come across as buffoons.  Phasma falling to her doom(?) (we didn't see a body so probably not) was just pointless and cringey.  Why even include her if that's all she's going to do?  Really frustrating because I actually liked her in The Force Awakens.

In fact 'frustrated' is how this movie made me feel in general.  I really enjoyed The Force Awakens, and I feel like they drove the story straight into a pit with its sequel.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 10:28:02 AM »
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I enjoyed it for it's entertainment value as a movie.

Hubby, who is a major Star Wars fan, felt the B-team story didn't need to be included, or the casino scene. But otherwise enjoyed the main story.

I absolutely LOVED bad-a** BB-8 on the walker. :D



Oh! The Porgs were not part of the original movie. The Skellig Islands they filmed on is are a Puffin nature reserve. They couldn't edit out the 1000s of Puffins, so they just gave them a little digital makeover.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 11:07:45 AM »
well I like Star Trek better but I liked it a lot ,I want kylo rens light sabre !! heck I want kylo :D (I think its the scar)  but I'm a sucker for a bad boy :D

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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 09:55:18 PM »
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I enjoyed it for it's entertainment value as a movie.

Hubby, who is a major Star Wars fan, felt the B-team story didn't need to be included, or the casino scene. But otherwise enjoyed the main story.

I absolutely LOVED bad-a** BB-8 on the walker. :D



Oh! The Porgs were not part of the original movie. The Skellig Islands they filmed on is are a Puffin nature reserve. They couldn't edit out the 1000s of Puffins, so they just gave them a little digital makeover.

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Super interesting about the Porgs! Personally I thought the Porgs were adorable.

As for the movie, I found it entertaining. I agree the casino sub-plot wasn't needed at all. But I did like the Kylo and Ren scenes.


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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2017, 10:58:23 PM »
Yay, I have finally seen the movie so I can venture into this thread.

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I actually enjoyed the movie.  I was entertained and engaged throughout and it had a good SW feel for me.  Like LadyMoondance, I expected to dislike the Porgs but they weren't overdone and added a few smiles to dark scenes. Interesting that they were penguins that needed disguise!  Thanks Kiwi, I had not heard that (probably because I have been avoiding spoilers at all costs, lol).

I enjoyed the interaction between Rey and Ren.  It's weird they have such a strong connection but I am willing to roll with it because it was well played out and gave a bit more insight into each character (maybe they are both just ultra powerful with the force?).  My brother guessed right that Rey's parents would turn out to be nobodies too!  I didn't expect Ren to kill Snoke!  That was a bit of a shock, especially because we know so little about him. I expected him to be around until the next film.  Good to see Ren stepping up to be the big bad guy, even if he is clearly still conflicted. I really liked that he couldn't kill his mother.

I didn't like the way they used Poe this time.  He was way too gung-ho after being such an asset in TFA. The thing I hated most though was when Rose crashed into Fin's ship to supposedly save him from dying.  I actually held up my hands in the theatre and went WTF?  She could just as easily have killed him in the process, as well as putting the lives of everyone he was trying to save back in danger!  Duh. 

I have heard people saying that Luke was out of character.  Imo he was always rather negative and questioning of the force so I didn't think so.  He also went down the same route as Anakin, attempting to kill Ben to save those that he loves (Anakin mistakenly turned to the dark side to save Padme).  I felt sorry for Luke that things went so wrong in training Ben, and that it has effected his relationship with Leia so much.  I also felt for Kylo (yes, I have now called him by three different names, lol!).  I think he wants to be good but he certainly has a lot of anger in him.  If Rey can not turn him to the light side then I don't think anybody will.

It was really sad to see Carrie Fisher on screen for the last time.  :(  I'm glad we got to see Leia and Luke reunite on screen before she passed, and there was a nice mention of her in the screen credits at the end.   I was hoping Billy D Williams might pop up somewhere in the movie.  Hopefully the signal sent by the rebellion will reach him next time. :D

Overall I would rate this movie about 8/10.  Not as good as TFA but solid and enjoyable.


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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2017, 10:28:25 AM »
I haven't seen it- so many people said they didn't like it... but also there are people who loved it.

I guess I'll see it eventually...

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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2017, 03:28:03 PM »
I have really enjoyed reading everyone's responses!! Thank you :) And keep 'em coming!

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The Force Awakens was on TV last night so we watched it with the kids who hadn't yet seen it. We all loved it. Makes me wonder if I need to re-watch The Last Jedi (but I certainly wouldn't pay to see it again!) to see what I missed?? But I still think I'd feel the same about it. There was some silly jokes in TFA but no where near on the level of relentless bad that bothered me intensely in TLJ. And it was just so much more solid a film/story/action. I am interested to see where the kylo/ren story goes, so I am not put off wanting to see how it all concludes, but I sure bloody hope the next film pulls its socks up for me  :P


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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2017, 03:43:24 PM »
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I liked it very much. Of course it wasn't without it's flaws... The casino scene wasn't needed at all and I didn't like Rose's character very much either, she seemed shoehorned in which is sad because I was really looking forward to who she would be. I didn't care for the scene with Leia using the force, but I can get over that.

Now, the parts I did like, I really liked. Kylo and Rei's back-to-back battle, Luke appearing like a force ghost at the end and being really bad a**, the scene with Yoda, And I liked the scene where The Purple Haired commander(who's name escapes me) lightspeeded through the first order's ship.

I am so happy that Rei and Kylo aren't related, I think that would be a bit cliche if it turned out to be true. Adam Driver's acting was great!

 

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