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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2017, 03:51:47 PM »
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I didn't care for the scene with Leia using the force, but I can get over that.


Omg yes... some else mentioned that earlier and I'd meant to say I totally agreed! What was with THAT!?

I really liked. Kylo and Rei's back-to-back battle

I forgot to say also that among scenes that i DID like, this was one of them (apart from the red guards with their fight moves... I did not care for them). I was so ready for Kylo to run out the door with Rey... and then he didn't... which was predictable but necessary for his character. There is still room for redemption - I can see the light in you, Kylo!!!



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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2017, 05:08:46 PM »
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I loved the Kylo/Rey back to back fighting scene too.  Count me in as a Reylo shipper!

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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2017, 05:17:39 PM »
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I loved the Kylo/Rey back to back fighting scene too.  Count me in as a Reylo shipper!

LOL!!!  :lol:  Could get awkies if it turns out they are actually related! I think Kylo lied about her parents  :shifty:


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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2017, 11:05:08 AM »
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I really enjoyed it? I loved it, I loved the characters. I related a lot to Luke in this movie, running away from everything. I loved how he kicked Crylo's butt just as a Force projection and the touching moment between him and Leia. I liked Yoda returning and being the same little green troll as ever, whacking Luke on the noggin.  :P

I loved the on hold joke, because it felt like such a Poe thing to do, and I also adore when people mock turdheads like Hux. I loved Admiral Holdo, her whole design was amazing even though I didn't agree with her strategy at all. It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.

I loved all the creatures, they were so lovely, especially the vulptexes. Fathiers are like giant hyena okapis and porgs are just fantastic.

Kylo/Rey is awful though, very much not for me, because I hate Kylo. He's a terrible human being and I hope he dies unredeemed in the next movie. I'd rather see Finn/Rey (despite preferring Finn/Poe) or Rey not having a love interest at all.

I've yet to see any love for Finn and Rose in this thread which makes me sad so... Finn's arc was great, I love how he came to embrace his "rebel scum" self and rise to the challenge, and also how he taught Phasma a lesson. I love Rose as well, she's a major cutie and just really cool. And just... BB-8 revealing himself to be an absolute badass?? Amazing!

Someone mentioned a lot of unnecessary creatures but I don't quite understand that? This is a galaxy far,
 far away where the only life forms familiar to us are humans, and the humans are still likely aliens. It would make sense for there to be lots of creatures to at least vaguely reflect alien life on tons of different planets.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2017, 11:36:51 AM »
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2017, 01:49:58 PM »
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.

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I was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to
  • keep his shirt on
  • stay away from Rey

Also like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2017, 07:09:12 PM »
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Personally, I really enjoyed it!  I'm a big Star Wars fan and I thought it was a neat addition to the story.  I will say that I liked The Force Awakens better.  I was very nervous before TFA that I wouldn't like it or that it wouldn't live up to the other movies, but it totally blew me away and I went and saw it like 4 times in theaters.  I LOVED it.  So The Last Jedi wasn't on that level for me, but I totally enjoyed it.  I thought it was very exciting and visually gorgeous (that last battle with the salt!!!  So cool).  Also not gonna lie I loved the Porgs.  I want like 25 toy Porgs now because I'm obsessed lol.  I'm also probably gonna go back and see this at least once or twice more.  I feel like I usually miss some stuff the first time I watch a movie.  There were some little moments I'd love to see again, like the reunion between Luke and R2 where R2 shows the hologram of Leia asking Obi Wan for help.  I thought that bit was great and very touching. 

The only thing I really wish we had was a scene showing some remorse from Poe.  I really like his character, but he screwed up a lot in this movie and I wish we got to see some real regret and guilt from him.  I think acknowledging the level of his errors would be very valuable to his character development and since he's one of my favorites, I was hoping he'd have that moment of growth.  I know they "showed" that growth when he told Finn to back off and retreat in the last battle, but it wasn't enough for me.  And I kind of thought the lack of remorse was a little out of character for him because even though he's a hot shot type, he's also been shown to really care about his friends.  I dunno, that was my main complaint.  I didn't mind the casino scene, but I wouldn't have minded if it was a little shorter in order to give some more time for the characterization to Poe via showing him realizing the consequences of his actions.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2017, 07:48:28 AM »
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.

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I was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to
  • keep his shirt on
  • stay away from Rey

Also like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?

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His shirt being off was so unnecessary and ridiculous, lol.

I liked him as a character (not a person) in TFA because it seemed like he was going to be a straightout villain, like Darth Vader was in A New Hope.  I actually thought it was interesting having the villain being a selfish and mildly pathetic wannabe idolizing something terrible while totally ignoring its history and context, because there are a LOT of guys out there like that (in both the internet and real life.)

Then I started seeing articles about how RELATABLE Kylo Ren was in TFA and I was like . . . whaaa?  I don't find him relatable at all.  He's like an amalgam of a bunch of terrible guys I've known over the years.

I also didn't like his fight against the red guards with Rey, even as an action scene, because it seemed really contrived.  Each guard specializing in a different weapon . . . REALLY?
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2017, 12:16:20 PM »
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It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.
 
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Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.

But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!

The ending scene where Luke looks like he was back on Tatooine looking at the sunset nearly killed me. I was trying so hard not to cry lol.

Snoke on the other hand... I really was bummed we didn't find out more about him. Where he came from and who he was, before he was killed, he was freakishly strong with the force yet killed off so quickly!
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2017, 05:15:16 PM »
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.

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I was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to
  • keep his shirt on
  • stay away from Rey

Also like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?

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His shirt being off was so unnecessary and ridiculous, lol.

I liked him as a character (not a person) in TFA because it seemed like he was going to be a straightout villain, like Darth Vader was in A New Hope.  I actually thought it was interesting having the villain being a selfish and mildly pathetic wannabe idolizing something terrible while totally ignoring its history and context, because there are a LOT of guys out there like that (in both the internet and real life.)

Then I started seeing articles about how RELATABLE Kylo Ren was in TFA and I was like . . . whaaa?  I don't find him relatable at all.  He's like an amalgam of a bunch of terrible guys I've known over the years.

I also didn't like his fight against the red guards with Rey, even as an action scene, because it seemed really contrived.  Each guard specializing in a different weapon . . . REALLY?

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Honestly, people that relate to Kylo Ren really heavily kind of... worry me. I dunno, I like that the type of villain moved from evil fascist dictator to evil fascist school shooter type. The villain of Star Wars has moved with the times.

I did really like the fight, I thought it was badass, but I found the fight between Kylo and Luke way cooler.

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It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.
 
Thank you!!!
Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.

But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!

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OMG YES!! Vader literally says to Luke "maybe your sister..." because he can sense the Force is as strong in her as it is in Luke... and honestly, he might have had more luck with her than Luke, when it came to the Dark Side, but the backlash again a powerful Force-sensitive woman is bad enough now, the film would have flopped hard in the 70s.

And I agree! I really like that it was so different! And what's to complain about, nothing can be as bad as the Phantom Menace.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2018, 05:09:02 AM »
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It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.
 
Thank you!!!
Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.

But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!

The ending scene where Luke looks like he was back on Tatooine looking at the sunset nearly killed me. I was trying so hard not to cry lol.

Snoke on the other hand... I really was bummed we didn't find out more about him. Where he came from and who he was, before he was killed, he was freakishly strong with the force yet killed off so quickly!
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It wasn't the concept of her using the Force but the execution.  It looked stupid.  First, she miraculously survived the explosion and several seconds in the vacuum of space.  And, despite frost developing around her skin, she is able to just float to the door which doesn't decompress the ship when it's opened.

If they were going to do that, they should have thought it out more.  Like show Leia and the bridge staff in a protective bubble of air to suggest she used the Force to protect them from the explosion.  With other survivors, there would be a sense of astonishment in the movie as well, like when Yoda lifted Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp in Empire.  Her just doing it had no gravitas to what should be an advanced use of the Force we had never seen before.
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2018, 10:04:07 AM »

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It wasn't the concept of her using the Force but the execution.  It looked stupid.  First, she miraculously survived the explosion and several seconds in the vacuum of space.  And, despite frost developing around her skin, she is able to just float to the door which doesn't decompress the ship when it's opened.

If they were going to do that, they should have thought it out more.  Like show Leia and the bridge staff in a protective bubble of air to suggest she used the Force to protect them from the explosion.  With other survivors, there would be a sense of astonishment in the movie as well, like when Yoda lifted Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp in Empire.  Her just doing it had no gravitas to what should be an advanced use of the Force we had never seen before.


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I have to agree here. And whilst I'll confess I hadn't really thought too much about Leia's 'use' of the force prior to reading people's comments in this thread, the most I can recall (thinking about it now) is her ability to sense a 'disturbance' in the force - like knowing Han was gone, or being able to hear Luke when he was calling to her in the Empire Strikes Back (but even then, that was Luke mostly, really? Leia was able to pick up on it)
Here in the TLJ, suddenly we have this bizarre scene, with an execution of 'force' powers, that felt completely out of place  :huh:  Not to mention the scientific faux pas that Al-1701 pointed out. On which subject... the bombers... dropping bombs.... I thought there wasn't any gravity in space???  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I stand at risk of picking it to pieces here... I would then be suggesting that every explosion we've heard in space throughout Star wars and any space movie would be wrong... so I had better 'let it go... let it go.... mustn't bully the movie anymoreeee....!!!  :lol:


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edit to add... I should add that really, I'm not too bothered by little bomb dropping gravity issues or explosions in space... there are plenty of most excellent space explosions I have enjoyed - and seriously, if there were no space explosions in cinema space, cinema wouldn't be very interesting, would it? lol! But yes, I was bothered by the Leia force scene
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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2018, 02:12:52 PM »
I'll chime in with my two cents.

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I actually enjoyed the movie.  I was entertained and engaged throughout and it had a good SW feel for me.  Like LadyMoondance, I expected to dislike the Porgs but they weren't overdone and added a few smiles to dark scenes. Interesting that they were penguins that needed disguise!  Thanks Kiwi, I had not heard that (probably because I have been avoiding spoilers at all costs, lol).

I enjoyed the interaction between Rey and Ren.  It's weird they have such a strong connection but I am willing to roll with it because it was well played out and gave a bit more insight into each character (maybe they are both just ultra powerful with the force?).  My brother guessed right that Rey's parents would turn out to be nobodies too!  I didn't expect Ren to kill Snoke!  That was a bit of a shock, especially because we know so little about him. I expected him to be around until the next film.  Good to see Ren stepping up to be the big bad guy, even if he is clearly still conflicted. I really liked that he couldn't kill his mother.

I didn't like the way they used Poe this time.  He was way too gung-ho after being such an asset in TFA. The thing I hated most though was when Rose crashed into Fin's ship to supposedly save him from dying.  I actually held up my hands in the theatre and went WTF?  She could just as easily have killed him in the process, as well as putting the lives of everyone he was trying to save back in danger!  Duh. 

I have heard people saying that Luke was out of character.  Imo he was always rather negative and questioning of the force so I didn't think so.  He also went down the same route as Anakin, attempting to kill Ben to save those that he loves (Anakin mistakenly turned to the dark side to save Padme).  I felt sorry for Luke that things went so wrong in training Ben, and that it has effected his relationship with Leia so much.  I also felt for Kylo (yes, I have now called him by three different names, lol!).  I think he wants to be good but he certainly has a lot of anger in him.  If Rey can not turn him to the light side then I don't think anybody will.

It was really sad to see Carrie Fisher on screen for the last time.  :(  I'm glad we got to see Leia and Luke reunite on screen before she passed, and there was a nice mention of her in the screen credits at the end.   I was hoping Billy D Williams might pop up somewhere in the movie.  Hopefully the signal sent by the rebellion will reach him next time. :D

Overall I would rate this movie about 8/10.  Not as good as TFA but solid and enjoyable.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, kiwimlp  ^.^

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Some of you mentioned Kylo and Rey -- I ship them, too. :blush: Not only do their personalities spark nicely, but they're both Force prodigies who are in some ways being moved around like pawns by their commanders/companions/evil overlords (in Kylo's case). Their interactions were some of the highlights of the movie for me.

Luke's last scene where it looked like he was looking at two suns, just like the start of his journey, and the music from that scene, was so perfect. I loved the parallel they made.

Like Marlin and Al-1701 mentioned, the problem with Leia's scene was more in execution than concept. It would be cool to see her use the Force, but not like they showed it. She should have died in the time she spent out there in space (obviously some yucky things happen when you're not in a spacesuit). She was unconscious for a moment, right, and couldn't do anything for the short time she'd have to survive the experience? If somehow the Force kept her alive, her flying back to the ship was unusual and I didn't know the Force let you do that. At least they made her seriously weakened and on life support throughout most of the movie because of her stint in space.

Apparently there were other illogical moments in the movie that I didn't notice -- my dad was bothered by the fact that Admiral Holdo could drive the big ship into the pursuing First Order ships when the precious fuel had, in an earlier scene, been distributed to the little escape ships. It's also strange that the First Order baddies didn't notice the tiny escape ships at first (their radar would pick up on them, right?) I have to say I didn't like the porgs, mostly just because they were clearly computer animated. They're cute otherwise and I want to like them.

Oh, and as was mentioned, I didn't like the fact that Rose ran her ship into Finn's to save him. That sort of thing happens all the time in movies, but really she could have killed them both. And she says that they'll win by protecting what they love, but she had to know that Finn was charging down the barrel of the cannon because he was protecting what they both love, their friends inside the bunker/defensive structure-thingy. And her line was delivered melodramatically when they both should be running for their lives . . . I did like Rose as a character, though.

I liked the movie despite its flaws, though. I liked the Force Awakens and loved the character of Rey, and BB-8 is my weakness. I've always thought Kylo Ren is a terrifying villain (reminding me a lot of school shooters, etc., guys my age who I think Lady Moondancer correctly pegged as kind of pitiful guys clinging onto a cool-sounding evil paradigm.) I don't really feel like rewatching the Force Awakens usually, though, while this movie I wanted to see again as soon as I left the theater. They were able to do more with the characters and explore their thoughts and emotions and allow them to act in unexpected but logical ways (with the exception of the illogical science-y stuff, of course!)

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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2018, 05:51:10 AM »
At first I thought I wasn't going to see it, but I knew I had to for Kylo and Luke!

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Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2018, 06:31:24 AM »
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While I don't think what Rose did near the end of the film was smart, I do think it fit her narrative and made things come full circle. I'm sure she was not happy about her sister dying, and when she saw what Finn was trying to do its possible that she could not bear the idea of losing someone else--regardless of the consequences she would have seen if she had been thinking rationally. That doesn't make her choice okay, but perhaps it makes it more understandable.

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