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Offline WingsOfMasquerade

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IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« on: November 23, 2017, 12:01:26 AM »
Not real sure if this is for OT or Rants but it's more of a 'fact' instead of a rant so...gonna try it.

Isn't the MLPArena kind of in danger like...right now?
The whole Net Neutrality vote thing is trying to come up on Black Friday or Christmas so that people don't notice it and they just take away NN.

If NN gets taken away, all the providers like ATT, Comcast, Verizon whoever is in your area will switch how they bill to "Packages" like how cable TV does, as well as charging individual websites (like here) a monthly fee to get seen by anyone with that service. If your "Package" includes youtube, facebook, twitter, that's all you can be allowed to see online. But if the Mlparena isn't on the package list? No one could look here again. Plus, I'm sure whoever pays the hosting for this doesn't want to give 3 or 4 or 5 companies an additional 50 bucks a month just to let people post here & look.

Look what already happened to Portugal

https://twitter.com/RoKhanna/status/923701871092441088

The MLPArena is not on that list of packages.

Look at Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/net-neutrality-portugal-how-american-internet-could-look-fcc-2017-11

I'm not making this up, if this net neutrality fails, it's going to block everyone from coming here.
But apparently not right away...it took Portugal like I think 6 months to get to that point after they lost it. So basically they 'trick' everyone by saying 'oh it will be the same' until the law passes and then there's nothing anybody can do because they can't meet up on any website to talk about it because they're all blocked or cost too much money and nobody can pay it.

The only thing it seems like an average person can do is call Congress and say a speech.
If you write them, they have a man who says "this is a robot, it is a fake letter" & everyone believes him. I have....no idea how that works? But calls with people's real voices they somehow can't deny that it is real.

This button
https://www.battleforthenet.com/

lets you call & gives you a speech to say. I already pressed it (I'm nervous on the phone...I don't like it...but if I have a speech already I can do it and I just when "hello the entire speech" as soon as someone picked up I'm not sure if that's how it should have been but)

Signing this
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-not-repeal-net-neutrality

Will bother them

If you want to use a text (write your own, it has to be unique)
A robot will help you
https://resistbot.io/

and if you write emails that are unique you can beg these folks

Mignon Clyburn - Mignon.Clyburn@fcc.gov
Michael O'Rielly - Mike.O'Rielly@fcc.gov
Brendan Carr - Brendan.Carr@fcc.gov
Jessica Rosenworcel - Jessica.Rosenworcel@fcc.gov

because if even 1 of them says 'no' the stupid plan will fail and we all get to keep looking at the internet.

This rabbit hole of evil goes WAY WAY WAY deeper than anything I can type into here.
Look it all up and see how scary it is because everything's on the chopping block including ebay, youtube, any video game you might like, and even Amazon. (They want to charge Amazon 4 million dollars per month, per ISP, or they'll block it---that's going to raise all the prices of everything, plus, then, they'll ask you to pay an additional 5 dollars a month just to be allowed to shop at amazon.) Anybody who sells at Etsy or Ecrater or has a small biz will also get blocked if this passes. DeviantArt will get the axe because it won't be able to afford to pay the ISPS, then the deviants wont be able to pay the whatever/month fee to access the site. It's like cable TV where you pay per package/channel & if the MLPArena channel isn't there, well you'll never go again.

I had no idea it was this bad.
I love it here! I don't want this Ajit Pai to ban me.

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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2017, 01:15:27 AM »
I'm very confused. Babyfied version please tell me how do I vote against this?

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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2017, 01:21:28 AM »
I'm very confused. Babyfied version please tell me how do I vote against this?

Corporations will privately own our internet service and dictate how or what we have access to, and charge consumers how they see fit. This is similar to pay TV, which can be a real pain if you don't want everything in you tv bundle. Not a good prospect.
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2017, 01:31:19 AM »
Thank you for the easy way to contact reps. I am a nervous wreck on the phone so the resistbot is a nice text alternative.
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2017, 01:36:28 AM »
I'm honestly so gutted. I know Australia isnt directly in the path for this chaos, but we often follow suit when and if America makes big changes. I found a good image that describes it a bit better:

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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 01:50:18 AM »
Well crap. Is there any way to save the Arena (all the posts, member info, PMs, etc) so we can at least have the great information and discussions on here? We might as well start brainstorming things we can do. Maybe we could make an app? :cry:
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2017, 01:58:48 AM »
Well crap. Is there any way to save the Arena (all the posts, member info, PMs, etc) so we can at least have the great information and discussions on here? We might as well start brainstorming things we can do. Maybe we could make an app? :cry:

I cant imagine they would block off all forums because providers still know how far people travel on the net and how important socialisation is. There would probably end up being an umbrella that includes forums and boards which mlparena would fall under. If they cut off all non mainstream websites, people would go insane. Although an app in general seems awesome!
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 02:06:37 AM »
Well crap. Is there any way to save the Arena (all the posts, member info, PMs, etc) so we can at least have the great information and discussions on here? We might as well start brainstorming things we can do. Maybe we could make an app? :cry:
Wouldn't apps be restricted too?
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2017, 02:09:05 AM »
Well crap. Is there any way to save the Arena (all the posts, member info, PMs, etc) so we can at least have the great information and discussions on here? We might as well start brainstorming things we can do. Maybe we could make an app? :cry:

I cant imagine they would block off all forums because providers still know how far people travel on the net and how important socialisation is. There would probably end up being an umbrella that includes forums and boards which mlparena would fall under. If they cut off all non mainstream websites, people would go insane. Although an app in general seems awesome!
Ah, ok. Thanks! But there is still the issue of people not being able to access the Arena because their plan doesn't cover it :( Not as bad as no access at all though.
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2017, 02:33:55 AM »
This is sad! :(

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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2017, 02:43:04 AM »
I don't think they would do that.  You try to do that to America, and congress would be buried in angry mail during an election year already looking bad for the ruling party.  What is more likely is companies screwing each other.  Like Google will make Youtube almost impossible to use on anything but Chrome.  Regardless, an internet without Net Neutrality will be as far from consumer friendly as possible.

You know, why have we allowed vultures to get their talons on all our resources and services?
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2017, 05:47:50 AM »
For the last few months, people are getting responses from their congressman that stated to a harsh degree, "The FCC knows what you want and need."

https://www.reddit.com/r/tulsa/comments/6or3rp/jim_bridenstien_net_neutrality_response/
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Over the last twenty years, consumers have demanded, and the private sector has built, a free and open Internet, yet President Obama and the FCC set out to impose unnecessary constraints. FCC reclassification will result in a tightly controlled, highly regulated, and readily taxable Internet. As conceived by the Obama Administration, Net Neutrality is simply a solution in search of a problem, not a way to make the Internet "better" for us all.

Sure. Blame Obama that he kept big businesses from taking over our networks, severing our ties with friends and family and revoking our right to be connected with the world. Yeah. Obama TOTALLY is to blame for protecting the public's interest  :brow:

It's become a partisan issue, and once NN is pulled the only ones it will benefit are those we are handing our hard-earned dollars to.

Yes, I filled out petitions and things  :3

And as a blanketing response:
If these places have it their way, to have their website on a "plan" would probably mean that MLPA would have to pay the big companies to be part of those plans. That would mean that they will have to rely on member donations, or otherwise become pay-to-use so those fees can be paid. Likely, many smaller websites would kerpoof. It would be on the consumer to pay for the use of the site two-fold.

Yay.

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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2017, 05:58:11 AM »
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2017, 07:18:15 AM »
IS the goal censorship or is someone trying to make more money?
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Re: IF Internet Neutrality Fails: Getting Rid of the Arena
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2017, 07:51:51 AM »
To Saphy:
The way to 'vote' against it is by calling your reps with the button here
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
Get every. single. person. you. know. To use that button and call. It's sheer volumes of people calling that are going to make a difference. The problem is that everyone is always like "well......I'm just a drop in a bucket--it won't help if I do it...." yes and every raindrop participates in the flood, so it actually does add up.

The problem is that there's NO voting! Nobody is being allowed to 'vote' on this in the way a dictator just does things. Dictator name Ajit Pai That's why it's so infuriating. But to stop it you have to call, it has to be a voice or the same dictator will say "a robot did that" and throw out your effort. If you want more votes, get more people to do it. Get your friends/family to text and call too. It's seriously like 5 minutes or less.

Al-1701
The problem here is that nobody's burying congress in anything angry up until now, the last hour of the battle.
And if they take away NN, there won't be a way left to contact congress. What it is, is old people & people who think that "Facebook is the internet", so they basically don't know & don't care about anything. When will they care? When they have to pay like that graphic from Witch up there...and at that point there's no going back unless Elon Musk launches his satellite internet. It's like, they don't think anything CAN happen to the internet because it's always been here. They'll only wake up when it's too late and it's been taken away.

Like Sweet Daes said: You'd have to pay twice to use the arena. Arena pays to exist 4 times out each month to each provider, (Comcast, ATT, Verizon, RR)  then you pay your provider once a month to see it. And it's not going to be cheap fees either, like maybe 200/month to each of the big providers just to not get blocked/banned. "If you don't like it just close your website you weren't a success anyway unless you were Amazon we don't want you".

And yes they will block apps.
The Portugal thing up there (on the article) also goes into how their phone plans work. You use up VERY VERY high data fees if you dare use an app or go to a website that's not in your plan. Phones are actually going to strangle harder and faster than ISPs if NN fails because they're already used to strangling & everyone is conditioned to just accept strangling and data caps. I mean, the USA was paying PER TEXT on many plans for the longest time. You can still youtube up those commercials. "WOW Its such a bargain I get 200 texts per month for only 59.99! Thanks mom!" and "Unlimited up to 1 gig, then you pay 20.00 per megabyte what a deal!" So you can imagine new plans like "I get 20 google searches per month for only 20.00! Isn't that great?"

To Tikibirds:
It's both censorship and money.
Money in this case is first, Pai is a Verizon lawyer (a fox in charge of the hen house) and he's been paid off, as have all congress people who want to kill NN. Comcast & them have handed over free money in the millions to make this happen because they believe shutting down most of the web and collecting double dipping fees from anyone who hangs on is the best way to a huge money.
Censorship is their added bonus funtime because if anyone complains about it (if NN fails) like posting a youtube video that Comcast doesn't like, Comcast can simply block youtube for all its customers until YT takes down videos that don't agree with Comcast. ISPs will also be able to make sites they don't like to not load at all, or to slow them or put error pages. So if you like........."The Democrats" and Verizon doesn't, well then all Democrats sites suddenly don't work very well for you! Oh how frustrating! *That's just something general. It could be the same for Republicans or if you wanted a Synagogue's phone number and they don't like Jewish stuff.......well then that's just not going to load any more.

*If you're worried about censorship try to block the Sinclair merger. Sinclair forces news channels (local, whatever) to run their own stories instead of whatever the station would have run. Also I think Sinclair media's properties aren't allowed to criticize Trump or anything he does. (For example letting people kill elephants and legally bring the body parts into the USA to keep or sell as trophies---this used to be illegal, and if you want to speak out against it because you like elephants or something, you're not allowed to say on their channel "This is a bad idea" because it goes against Trump's wishes. That is censorship.